EPT@TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
@TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to? | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:58 Regulate140 wrote: It's silly to call out casters for trying to make money off of SC2, it seems extremely hypocritical coming out of Incontrol out of all people. The only reason an EG sc2 division even exists is because of the money making potential in the sc2 scene. I mean what about http://www.gosuguide.com/? Only $99.99 ! You can't criticize others when you're trying to milk as much money out of the sc2 scene yourself. Besides that, appreciate the read and info on NASL. Oh my god... a FULL 100$ for an SC2 GUIDE?!?!? Wow, now your interview looks thrice as ridiculous. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On July 16 2011 10:52 TotalBiscuit wrote: Would just like to correct your facts here. I do make a profit from SC2 but it's not significant in comparison to my other series. SC2 involves a fair amount of monetary investment, lot of equipment purchased to improve casting quality (for instance I now have a 2-channel compressed audio interface and good quality headsets), travel costs for tournaments, the cost of the tournaments and sponsoring stuff like the UK University Team League, as well as paying half my casting revenue to those who co-cast with me such as TLO and Apollo. SHOUTcraft 2 will definitely make me a loss, I won't make that money back from the VoDs. The profit margin on SC2 is low, as is the income relative to everything else. WTF is makes a pretty absurd amount of money and more often than not, requires no monetary investment. The games are usually provided for free. But yeah, SC2 is not a charity gig for me, it does make me money, but nowhere near as much as everything else I do. I do have a fairly diverse portfolio of series. Edited my post. Yeah, I thought saying you don't make any profit off of SC2 was pushing it >.> Should have reworded my post after noticing. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:02 mordk wrote: Oh my god... a FULL 100$ for an SC2 GUIDE?!?!? Wow, now your interview looks thrice as ridiculous. Hey man, you can pay me $99.99 and I'll just happily accept it without giving you anything. Oops, guess I'm evil. Shit. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: where in my post did I say anything about doing anyone favors? Where do I even suggest it? Can you for 1 post try as hard as you possibly can to not be a complete and utter shit head? @TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to? Saying he only came to SC2 to make money has no basis, and the fact that money was part of the motivation for getting into SC2 is true for pretty much everyone involved, including you. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:06 Dental Floss wrote: Hey man, you can pay me $99.99 and I'll just happily accept it without giving you anything. Oops, guess I'm evil. Shit. And this is related to anything in this thread... how?? Hahahaha | ||
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Castrophy
United States232 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: where in my post did I say anything about doing anyone favors? Where do I even suggest it? Can you for 1 post try as hard as you possibly can to not be a complete and utter shit head? @TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to? Would you say you started playing Starcraft to make money? TB didn't get paid for a lot of his early SC stuff as he wasn't a youtube partner. He did it because he enjoyed it. TB didn't see SC as a get rich ticket for him as you made it seem with your statements. That is where the problem arises. TB didn't come to the SC community to make money he just happens to make some from it. People aren't attacking you because you said somthing they don't agree with they are attacking you because you've said somthing false and even after 30 pages of responses you still try and defend your original statement. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:08 mordk wrote: And this is related to anything in this thread... how?? Hahahaha He's a fanboy using a strawman argument. Even though no one called Incontrol evil, they were simply pointing out the irony of saying someone does something for money by pointing out Incontrol makes money through his own ways. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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juhouthenero
Finland5 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:32 TotalBiscuit wrote: the day I became a Youtube partner, 6 months later. If you don't understand what that means, in order to get paid for any videos you do, you have to be a partner, so I wasn't earning anything at all from it before that. I think you can draw your own conclusions there. inControL, I think the conclusion from there is that he didn't come in only for the money because he didn't earn any money for the first six months. Anyway that's what I thought he said. On you're main point I think you're wrong is some strange anti market economy way. I think it's usually better that people come into things to make money since that produces better results in the long run. But that's just my 6 years of econ education talking. <3 anyway, keep up the good work. <3 TB also  | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: where in my post did I say anything about doing anyone favors? Where do I even suggest it? Can you for 1 post try as hard as you possibly can to not be a complete and utter shit head? @TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to? Indeed, I don't think it would have nearly come across as bad if it were an audio/video interview. Money aside, I respect anybody who puts their time into this industry. SC2 isn't exactly the most profitable area to cover. However, it is the genuine dedication from people like yourself, TB, djWheat, etc. that keeps us returning for more and more content. On the flip side, I feel like anyone who produces content in this industry isn't just in it for the money. Yes, some may have "came for the money", but today's most prominent figures certainly aren't in it for just the money alone; that would be stupid IMO. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:18 Dental Floss wrote: Incontrol....you earn money. Do you know who else earned money? THATS RIGHT! Hitler. Wow... now this guy actually IS a troll, unlike a lot of people who are just trying to discuss the issue at hand. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: where in my post did I say anything about doing anyone favors? Where do I even suggest it? Can you for 1 post try as hard as you possibly can to not be a complete and utter shit head? @TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to? The problem a lot of people are seeing is this: but I think all criticism is valid, it just depends on how you go about voicing those concerns. But when someone is basically just being a jerk, making personal attacks, making claims about someones professionalism, or who they respect, when those things are pushed too far you risk becoming just some anonymous flamer on a forum. - By iNcontroL Either way TB has responded (I missed his post the first time around) and both him and tyler have made reasonable responses in this thread. Now if only Lidnsey would make a TL account and join the fray :D | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. well TB's post clearly points out that he had no intention of making money from doing sc2(his evidence is pretty clear), and just does it cuz he wants to get involved with something he didn't have a chance to when he was a younger lad. people are educating you on the fact, albeit a little harshly, but i think people just want you to man up and just admit that you were incorrect in saying so and that you were misinformed. anyhow i know it's hard for you to publicly criticize the NASL, but stay classy incontroll. unless i'm mistaken, sporrer will try and continue to do this so she can capitalize on the opportunity of fame and fortune off a game she doesn't care about. saying that you have less respect for TB than a girl who got hired for her looks is really a low blow to TB, i hope you can see that. | ||
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Benga
Korea (South)471 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:08 mordk wrote: And this is related to anything in this thread... how?? Hahahaha Relevant for sure | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:21 Malgrif wrote: well TB's post clearly points out that he had no intention of making money from doing sc2(his evidence is pretty clear), and just does it cuz he wants to get involved with something he didn't have a chance to when he was a younger lad. people are educating you on the fact, albeit a little harshly, but i think people just want you to man up and just admit that you were incorrect in saying so and that you were misinformed. anyhow i know it's hard for you to publicly criticize the NASL, but stay classy incontroll. unless i'm mistaken, sporrer will try and continue to do this so she can capitalize on the opportunity of fame and fortune off a game she doesn't care about. saying that you have less respect for TB than a girl who got hired for her looks is really a low blow to TB, i hope you can see that. I can't help you if you refuse to correctly interpret my posts... "educating me" on the opinion I have? wtf... someone can say I am not that great of a player and I can go "what? I won X and took X place in X event" and they can STILL have that opinion, you realize this right? So please, spare me the "educate" bullshit. You guys overreacted and jumped the gun on a really insignificant thing... read the fucking interview and TRY to find me saying the things about TB you guys think I said. I didn't. And when asked, I explained what I meant AND STILL didn't say anything bad about him lol PS: People saying I "came to SC2 for the money" are the cream of the crop in terms of stupid. I didn't play bw for 12 years so I can roll in the riches of my EG salary in SC2 and coach for an hourly rate.. lol | ||
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