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On July 16 2011 09:39 iNcontroL wrote:it's true.. in general tl is spoken as a place we (progamers) NEED to avoid  I am reluctant but it truly is stupid that I post here. giant flash mobs of anger / band wagon shit. eventually all the progamers will avoid interacting with the public and people will probably barely notice but it will be sad... count the progamers that post here now 
Ya, come on guys, we all know that incontrol is never wrong. 
Still a fan of you, incontrol, but what you said about TB is flat out wrong (saying he's in e-sports only to get "rich"), and that is the only thing people are angry about. Hell, I don't even like TB that much, but that doesn't change the fact what you said was unfair.
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On July 16 2011 09:42 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:39 iNcontroL wrote:it's true.. in general tl is spoken as a place we (progamers) NEED to avoid I am reluctant but it truly is stupid that I post here. giant flash mobs of anger / band wagon shit. eventually all the progamers will avoid interacting with the public and people will probably barely notice but it will be sad... count the progamers that post here now Still no response to valid posts and more vague threats of the forums being ruined due to a decrease in progamer interaction. Classic.
What valid points would you like me to respond to? TB is not in it for the money? I never said he was (LOL). I said he CAME HERE for the money.. which is absolutely true. I also (and have explained this a few times now) that I don't think he is scum... he does GREAT THINGS which has been pointed out many a time.. but that doesn't stop me from having the opinion that I'd rather someone gets hired blindly then people come here for the money. People are putting huge assertions on this statement when I NEVER DECLARE A VALUE for it my EXACT fucking language is "I am more offended" which literally means I am more in favor of being hired than coming for money... YOU DUMB FUCKS are the ones who read that as "oh my GOD he thinks TB is greedy and does it only for money!"
it pains me to explain this over and over again.. each time I do I get 3 posts from people saying "don't respond incontrol!" but then I get 20 pages of idiots posting after reading the first page and NOBODY is listening.
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LOL look at the fucking post above mine WTF?? I NEVER SAID THAT LOL
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On July 16 2011 09:52 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:50 Dental Floss wrote:Man... there used to be a time when people respected progamers. This is just sad. This community has fallen a long way since the Broodwar days. People still respect the progamers who deserve it...............
No, thats stupid. All progamers deserver our respect. No caster would have a job, no production team would be editing audio, no trolls would be calling people nazis; none of this is possible without the players.
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On July 16 2011 09:39 iNcontroL wrote:it's true.. in general tl is spoken as a place we (progamers) NEED to avoid I am reluctant but it truly is stupid that I post here. giant flash mobs of anger / band wagon shit. eventually all the progamers will avoid interacting with the public and people will probably barely notice but it will be sad... count the progamers that post here now
I dunno, you also have to look at some of the people who do post here. Idra used to post here quite a bit (well apart from the fact that he spends all his time banned these days it seems) and I can't help but think that did contribute to his fanbase. Yes, you'll get haters, but you have to consider whether it actually matters if some random people hate you if you end up with more fans as well as more haters. I don't think having an anti-Incontrol group (which you already have anyway ) really ends up detracting from your career compared to the boost of having a legion of people who appreciate and support you due to more than merely your playing results. Silent = boring.
On July 16 2011 10:05 iNcontroL wrote:
it pains me to explain this over and over again.. each time I do I get 3 posts from people saying "don't respond incontrol!" but then I get 20 pages of idiots posting after reading the first page and NOBODY is listening.
Yeah, (time to be one of the 3), I think you should get Colbi to edit in some statement for you into the original post and then leave the thread (not the site) without posting more on it.
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On July 16 2011 10:05 iNcontroL wrote:
LOL look at the fucking post above mine WTF?? I NEVER SAID THAT LOL
"I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit." - Incontrol
Sorry, you didn't use the word "rich", I am wrong sir.
But this statement is what it's all about isn't it? I just don't understand it, that's all. I think TB came into Starcraft II to do more than make money. He probably enjoys commentating the game.
And frankly, I have no idea why it is even offensive to get into sc2 to make money. Isn't that what the sponsors are doing?
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Incontrol if you want people to stop making huge deals out of you saying dumb shit, then stop saying dumb shit all the time.
If you want people to stop trolling you on TL, stop trolling people all the time.
If you want to be part of respectful and mature conversations, do something to differentiate your posts from that of a 13 year old troll who's never been out of Gold League. Seriously, if you didn't have a Blue Star + Season 7 Liquibet Trophy next to your name I would look at your caps lock, ellipse ridden, bullshit filled posts and skip to the next one.
You are a good player. You are a good speaker. You are an intelligent person. You also behave with a level of immaturity and trololol that is completely not acceptable for somebody who wants to be taken as seriously as you seem to want to be taken.
If you want to talk shit about people, troll, and get involved in forum arguments while looking like a douche then fucking do it. But don't turn around and bitch about how everybody is always so stupid and you can barely stand the idiots slamming you.
Trust me Geoff, if it weren't for the idiots you wouldn't have many fans left. People with brains have been hopping off the bandwagon since Brood War.
~ Used to be a fan
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On a completely different note, if this whole "better hire someone blindly, than have them come in for the money" notion was actually put into practice when staffing NASL, then it would really explain a lot.
Don't particularly care about Incontrol himself nor his opinions on casters and whatnot.
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On July 16 2011 10:15 fadestep wrote:
Incontrol if you want people to stop making huge deals out of you saying dumb shit, then stop saying dumb shit all the time.
If you want people to stop trolling you on TL, stop trolling people all the time.
If you want to be part of respectful and mature conversations, do something to differentiate your posts from that of a 13 year old troll who's never been out of Gold League. Seriously, if you didn't have a Blue Star + Season 7 Liquibet Trophy next to your name I would look at your caps lock, ellipse ridden, bullshit filled posts and skip to the next one.
You are a good player. You are a good speaker. You are an intelligent person. You also behave with a level of immaturity and trololol that is completely not acceptable for somebody who wants to be taken as seriously as you seem to want to be taken.
If you want to talk shit about people, troll, and get involved in forum arguments while looking like a douche then fucking do it. But don't turn around and bitch about how everybody is always so stupid and you can barely stand the idiots slamming you.
Trust me Geoff, if it weren't for the idiots you wouldn't have many fans left. People with brains have been hopping off the bandwagon since Brood War.
~ Used to be a fan
Wow... wins the thread.. hard to find better words.
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TB delivers a quality product either when commentating, streaming or managing a tournament. Lindsay went to do an interview gig without a single hint of research on the subject. I love you man but that particular remark makes me a sad panda.
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On July 16 2011 10:07 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 09:52 nvs. wrote:On July 16 2011 09:50 Dental Floss wrote:Man... there used to be a time when people respected progamers. This is just sad. This community has fallen a long way since the Broodwar days. People still respect the progamers who deserve it............... No, thats stupid. All progamers deserver our respect. No caster would have a job, no production team would be editing audio, no trolls would be calling people nazis; none of this is possible without the players.
And this is a one way street yes? There isn't a sport in the entire world where this is a one way street.
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What valid points would you like me to respond to?
Mostly the ones that discuss how you handled the situation AFTER the fact and your massive generalizing of the community into one faceless hater. One such example is this one.
Dont lump every single person who has commented "against" you in this thread into 1 pile.
Some call you a hypocrite, some insult you, some question your evidence regarding this accusatory statement, and some are just merely curious as to what exactly you meant.
It might be easy to view everyone as a single entity, "the haters", but that would not be correct.
Oh and it's 20+ pages not because there's a heated, dramafilled debate regarding what you said. Just individuals adding their thoughts to it. Noone is saying this shit is super important or anything of the sorts, but are only important things allowed to be discussed? Can we only write something when it is very important? Is that how you reached your 27k+ posts? People saw something being said they perceived as incorrect and hypocritical, so they spoke up against it. Nothing wrong with that, if you except the douchebags who felt the need to insult you.
Most of the time what upsets me about the things you say isn't the original 'offensive' statement but rather the sarcasm and the deflecting that occurs afterwards in which everybody is portrayed as out to get you.
Good day.
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Well, after reading almost all the pages of this drama-filled thread, i'm happy to see that TotalBiscuit has been accepted by the community. Some months ago, a lot, if not most of TL would have agreed with Incontrol as TB -like Husky- was quite a hated caster. It seems his hard work and generosity has paid off. He has now a better understanding of the game, even if he still does a bunch of mistakes. But overall, he's doing a great job.
The little sentence about him was a lame cheap shot, but the spurious arguments Incontrol uses just make things worst. Stuff like this " I'd rather someone gets hired blindly then people come here for the money." is plainly incomprehensible.
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On July 16 2011 10:15 fadestep wrote:
Incontrol if you want people to stop making huge deals out of you saying dumb shit, then stop saying dumb shit all the time.
If you want people to stop trolling you on TL, stop trolling people all the time.
If you want to be part of respectful and mature conversations, do something to differentiate your posts from that of a 13 year old troll who's never been out of Gold League. Seriously, if you didn't have a Blue Star + Season 7 Liquibet Trophy next to your name I would look at your caps lock, ellipse ridden, bullshit filled posts and skip to the next one.
You are a good player. You are a good speaker. You are an intelligent person. You also behave with a level of immaturity and trololol that is completely not acceptable for somebody who wants to be taken as seriously as you seem to want to be taken.
If you want to talk shit about people, troll, and get involved in forum arguments while looking like a douche then fucking do it. But don't turn around and bitch about how everybody is always so stupid and you can barely stand the idiots slamming you.
Trust me Geoff, if it weren't for the idiots you wouldn't have many fans left. People with brains have been hopping off the bandwagon since Brood War.
~ Used to be a fan
Disagree entirely, Geoff has contributed greatly to the community, particullarly in SC2, if you don't think he deserves respect for that, then you're the one without a brain.
I don't even see why everyone cares, I laughed at him saying this, everyone demands that Geoff shows complete and utter respect for TB because of his 'contributions' yet everyone seems to dismiss Geoffs.
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On July 16 2011 10:15 fadestep wrote:
Incontrol if you want people to stop making huge deals out of you saying dumb shit, then stop saying dumb shit all the time.
If you want people to stop trolling you on TL, stop trolling people all the time.
If you want to be part of respectful and mature conversations, do something to differentiate your posts from that of a 13 year old troll who's never been out of Gold League. Seriously, if you didn't have a Blue Star + Season 7 Liquibet Trophy next to your name I would look at your caps lock, ellipse ridden, bullshit filled posts and skip to the next one.
You are a good player. You are a good speaker. You are an intelligent person. You also behave with a level of immaturity and trololol that is completely not acceptable for somebody who wants to be taken as seriously as you seem to want to be taken.
If you want to talk shit about people, troll, and get involved in forum arguments while looking like a douche then fucking do it. But don't turn around and bitch about how everybody is always so stupid and you can barely stand the idiots slamming you.
Trust me Geoff, if it weren't for the idiots you wouldn't have many fans left. People with brains have been hopping off the bandwagon since Brood War.
~ Used to be a fan
This sums it up pretty much, well said sir.
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On July 16 2011 10:21 nvs. wrote:Mostly the ones that discuss how you handled the situation AFTER the fact and your massive generalizing of the community into one faceless hater. One such example is this one. Show nested quote +Dont lump every single person who has commented "against" you in this thread into 1 pile.
Some call you a hypocrite, some insult you, some question your evidence regarding this accusatory statement, and some are just merely curious as to what exactly you meant.
It might be easy to view everyone as a single entity, "the haters", but that would not be correct.
Oh and it's 20+ pages not because there's a heated, dramafilled debate regarding what you said. Just individuals adding their thoughts to it. Noone is saying this shit is super important or anything of the sorts, but are only important things allowed to be discussed? Can we only write something when it is very important? Is that how you reached your 27k+ posts? People saw something being said they perceived as incorrect and hypocritical, so they spoke up against it. Nothing wrong with that, if you except the douchebags who felt the need to insult you. Most of the time what upsets me about the things you say isn't the original 'offensive' statement but rather the sarcasm and the deflecting that occurs afterwards in which everybody is portrayed as out to get you. Good day.
his entire post is a strawman argument with horribad logic.
and LOL @ you. Read this thread and then try and blame me for feeling like "everyone is out to get me" you kidding me?
PS: GOOD DAY SIR!
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his entire post is a strawman argument with horribad logic.
and LOL @ you. Read this thread and then try and blame me for feeling like "everyone is out to get me" you kidding me?
PS: GOOD DAY SIR!
Ok here is a valid question Incontrol, not related to the TB stuff. You said NASL had comparable down time to other events, and you used being able to take naps at MLG as an example of that. How does being able as a player to take naps between your matches at MLG have anything to do with spectator down time?
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On July 16 2011 10:32 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +his entire post is a strawman argument with horribad logic.
and LOL @ you. Read this thread and then try and blame me for feeling like "everyone is out to get me" you kidding me?
PS: GOOD DAY SIR! Ok here is a valid question Incontrol, not related to the TB stuff. You said NASL had comparable down time to other events, and you used being able to take naps at MLG as an example of that. How does being able as a player to take naps between your matches at MLG have anything to do with spectator down time?
Wait...this is satire right?
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Wait...this is satire right?
You did read the entire interview right?
The downtime is not irregular or unique to the NASL at all. There was air time during Homestory Cup III of players barbecuing, there’s MLG where I can go take a nap between my matches--that’s all just the usual run of things.
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No; I know thats a direct quote...I meant your question.
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