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On July 16 2011 07:49 relic wrote:
Never been a huge fan of incontrol, always found him to be "too big for his boots", but I tried to support him during NASL.
Seems as though he hasn't changed, always ends up having to apologise for stupid remarks, or bad performance. He needs to step away from any sort of community role, or any role at all in NASL and concentrate on playing.
ideally, at this point he just steps away full stop
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lol @ all the blowhard nerds..you people never cease to amaze me .
Queue Tasteless quote "ZOMG INCONTROL, you're RUINING ESPORTS Waaaaaaaa"
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On July 16 2011 07:41 GumThief wrote:
Who the he'll isn't it in for the money at this point? MLG NASL and GOMtv are all not for profit organizations right?? Sending their profits to supply needy children with mechanical keyboards and graphic cards amirite?
EG or Mouz sends their players overseas purely to "further esports" right? Nothing about ROI, they only do it to make nerds sweat and smile... Hokay??
Who cares honestly. Not the most thought out statement by Inc IMO, but nothing to get so outraged by. Everyone should understand it's all ROI baby.
Everybody, casters players organizations, are in this amazing spot they are in today because there IS money to be made. Let's not get into WHY they are doing it but focus on the fact this scene is growing so rapidly we can hardly keep pace.
Dolla dolla bill y'all.
I believe you are wrong.
Most players and casters would be able to make more money doing completely different things(exceptions being huge tournament-winners).
They choose to do SC2 because they like/love it, they are able to because their economy allows it.
If they didn't love the game it would be an amazingly stupid thing to do(play/cast) for money, and that's why I sincerely doubt money is why they're in it.
Organizers of tournaments, sponsors, team owners, completely different story.
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WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!!
lol  did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL
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Going to avoid the majority of the interview despite the fact I disagree with a few of the answers he gave and focus on his personality. Remembering just the past year I'm fairly certain iNcontroL is either trolling everyone for attention, or he's the Joe Biden(gaffes galore) of eSports. Still not sure which as of yet. 
Every time Geoff speaks there's an uproar, usually negative, it can't be sheer coincidence. Better to be known and hated than forgotten as they say. I'm sure if there was any real problems with what he's said that EG management would've stepped in by now and told him to knock it off, since they haven't I think it's safe to assume that at least some of it is purposefully done.
No matter what your opinion is, I think it's safe to say this overreaction by the community every time he speaks is a bit silly. Plus, judging from videos and clips across the internet he comes across as an extremely likable person. I don't get the random hate for him.
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On July 16 2011 07:12 Tyrgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 06:50 Ocedic wrote:On July 15 2011 13:34 Demonace34 wrote:On July 15 2011 13:22 dtz wrote:On July 15 2011 13:19 iNcontroL wrote:On July 15 2011 13:17 dtz wrote: I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well. uh i really like Lindsey but obviously she also benefit from the monetary aspect of SC2 as well as the exposure ( which is exactly what you argued drove TB to cast SC2). I don't see how they are different in this aspect at all. In fact TB is very dedicated to doing his SC2 stuff well and I can argue he has done more. If you want to argue that at 12 years old I started playing competitive SC knowing that I could make my "riches" at 25 off of SC2 and I built a career over that span of time purely to do that then please go ahead. What?? I didn't say that at all. In fact i didn't say anything about you. I only compared TB and Lindsey. My point was both TB and Lindsey came to SC2 because of monetary incentive. I don't see how one is more noble than the other. Out of a 4,000 word interview, the community has to nitpick 1 sentence out of 1 paragraph? Just let it go, the article is about NASL, not TB. If everyone actually wants to discuss the selflessness and altruistic actions of each person in the Starcraft scene, go make a thread with a poll of all the major people in the community and settle it there. Right, because people who are interviewed shouldn't be held accountable for what they say: as long as they say a lot of other stuff! If I had a 10,000 word interview, but in one sentence said "Hitler was the greatest man to ever live," then how dare you nitpick the one sentence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
You should read what you linked then reread what I wrote to see why you're wrong and how your post makes you look like a tool. :D
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Every time Geoff speaks there's an uproar, usually negative, it can't be sheer coincidence
True that. Don't worry though, Geoff will just "U MADD??" it off.
See above. ^^
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geoff biden? haha that's awesome. Someone break out the photoshop^^
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On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!! lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL
If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. When you say controversial things often, you're going to have controversy following you.
Of course there's less backlash when someone like Idra says the same things, because that's pretty much expected. Maybe that's what you're going for, I don't know.
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On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!! lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL
So out of curiosity, how much money did you make off of your 'guide' and 'coaching'? How much did you make from NASL?
I don't know how you consider this a personal attack; it's a legitimate question if you're going to bring up that someone else is 'in StarCraft for the money.'
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On July 16 2011 08:00 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 07:41 GumThief wrote:
Who the he'll isn't it in for the money at this point? MLG NASL and GOMtv are all not for profit organizations right?? Sending their profits to supply needy children with mechanical keyboards and graphic cards amirite?
EG or Mouz sends their players overseas purely to "further esports" right? Nothing about ROI, they only do it to make nerds sweat and smile... Hokay??
Who cares honestly. Not the most thought out statement by Inc IMO, but nothing to get so outraged by. Everyone should understand it's all ROI baby.
Everybody, casters players organizations, are in this amazing spot they are in today because there IS money to be made. Let's not get into WHY they are doing it but focus on the fact this scene is growing so rapidly we can hardly keep pace.
Dolla dolla bill y'all.
I believe you are wrong. Most players and casters would be able to make more money doing completely different things(exceptions being huge tournament-winners). They choose to do SC2 because they like/love it, they are able to because their economy allows it. If they didn't love the game it would be an amazingly stupid thing to do(play/cast) for money, and that's why I sincerely doubt money is why they're in it. Organizers of tournaments, sponsors, team owners, completely different story.
And without organizers of tournaments, sponsors, team owners.. Whats left? What's left is the broodwar scene in anywhere but Korea :p Virtually nonexistent.
Players would still play the game if they loved it, sure.. But the exposure just wouldn't be there. The sponsors and teams would vanish, and the quality of players in NA and Europe would fall as drastically fast as it did in BW.
And how would it be stupid to cast or play for money even if they hate the game...? :p Don't quite follow. Hey here's 1,000 cash in pocket, all expense paid trip to cast a game in Sweden. You down? "Oh no no, my heart is not into it. I'd much rather you keep the money or give it to a more deserving soul." Seriously? :p
I don't wake up every morning with a fucking smile on my face so excited to get to work usually. And i don't give a crap if they do either. Just produce!!
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What s wrong with being in it for the money? If someone delivers great entertainment for me I m very happy to see them getting well paid for it.
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Well, I've got nothing new to say.
Great interview barring the TB slip-up. 
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On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!! lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL
We did, and we know you felt name dropping was dumb. It's just the fact you stood by your argument and never even bothered to clarify after calling your initial example "bad". When you make comments like this on a consistent basis it kind of does become important don't ya think? We only go into an uproar because we care :3 This community is important to me, you and everyone else in this thread so we want to express our opinions on the matter. Wouldn't be much of a forum/community if we never voiced our opinions on these matter huh?
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WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!!
lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL
I actually think that no one is reading anybody's comment on this thread, yours included
26 pages of people repeating the same things about your interview with the occasional outburst of insanity about your results\diet\expectations in life\contribution to Esport (whatever that is...).
Keep up the good work Incontrol, stay frosty
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On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!! lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL
I'm just confused on why you assume TB is just in it for the money. Who's to say he isn't doing it because he likes the game and enjoys casting? He does need money to make a living like the rest of us, and I don't see how he's getting rich. Maybe I'm wrong though.
As far as I can tell his situation is just like Lindsey's - they both enjoy doing their respective jobs and are also doing it for money and their career. It's just weird that you make a distinction between them when there clearly isn't.
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Incontrol, the mediocre player that flamebates on TL forums then acts all surprised when people bite. Talking down on TB is ridiculous too. People like TB and Take actually put their own money into SC2. Which takes a lot more guts than to just show your face everywhere and then claim you help ESPORTZZ.
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On July 16 2011 08:27 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!! lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL I'm just confused on why you assume TB is just in it for the money. Who's to say he isn't doing it because he likes the game and enjoys casting? He does need money to make a living like the rest of us, and I don't see how he's getting rich. Maybe I'm wrong though. As far as I can tell his situation is just like Lindsey's - they both enjoy doing their respective jobs and are also doing it for money and their career. It's just weird that you make a distinction between them when there clearly isn't.
What if he is in it for the money? That's a perfectly valid reason. Is incontrol doing charity work himself?
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On July 16 2011 08:30 Coolwhip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 08:27 happyness wrote:On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!! lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL I'm just confused on why you assume TB is just in it for the money. Who's to say he isn't doing it because he likes the game and enjoys casting? He does need money to make a living like the rest of us, and I don't see how he's getting rich. Maybe I'm wrong though. As far as I can tell his situation is just like Lindsey's - they both enjoy doing their respective jobs and are also doing it for money and their career. It's just weird that you make a distinction between them when there clearly isn't. What if he is in it for the money? That's a perfectly valid reason. Is incontrol doing charity work himself?
I just don't buy it. Of course, the money is a big part of it, but I seriously doubt TB is thinking "I hate casting this shit but at least I'm getting rich off of it!"
"I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. I take less offense to someone like Lindsey, an actress and a model, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get rich but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well." - Incontrol
This just makes absolutely no sense.
There's no indication that TB is in it just to make money, unless Incontrol knows TB's inner desires. And if I were in TB's shoes I would be offended.
But meh, Incontrol and his fanboys are too arrogant to admit that incontrol may have said something stupid(he did apologize for name dropping, but that doesnt change the fact that what he said is essentially wrong).
And frankly, nobody should be offended by people getting into e-sports just to make money. NEWS FLASH: Pepsi, Intel, Monster, etc. are sponsoring to just make money in Starcraft II.
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when i read threads like this, the only thing that comes to my mind is:
perhaps teamliquid is the wrong site for me...
i looks like hundreds of people searching for problems and pointless discussions.
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