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Xanwi
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom114 Posts
July 15 2011 23:35 GMT
#521
it was a good interview, right up until he said what he said about TB. There's nothing wrong with being critical of a caster, or even questioning one's knowledge of the game, but to say that TB's just in it for the money?! I just hope Geoff understands how this dickmove is totally misguided. Everyone who follows TB knows that he's not in this for the money.
Xanwi
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom114 Posts
July 15 2011 23:38 GMT
#522
On July 16 2011 08:29 Coolwhip wrote:
Incontrol, the mediocre player that flamebates on TL forums then acts all surprised when people bite. Talking down on TB is ridiculous too. People like TB and Take actually put their own money into SC2. Which takes a lot more guts than to just show your face everywhere and then claim you help ESPORTZZ.


I know man, Inc seems to walk around like he owns the place, when in fact he's probably the single most overrated SC2 player on the planet.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
July 15 2011 23:41 GMT
#523
On July 16 2011 08:15 GumThief wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 08:00 TheBanana wrote:
On July 16 2011 07:41 GumThief wrote:
Who the he'll isn't it in for the money at this point? MLG NASL and GOMtv are all not for profit organizations right?? Sending their profits to supply needy children with mechanical keyboards and graphic cards amirite?

EG or Mouz sends their players overseas purely to "further esports" right? Nothing about ROI, they only do it to make nerds sweat and smile... Hokay??

Who cares honestly. Not the most thought out statement by Inc IMO, but nothing to get so outraged by. Everyone should understand it's all ROI baby.

Everybody, casters players organizations, are in this amazing spot they are in today because there IS money to be made. Let's not get into WHY they are doing it but focus on the fact this scene is growing so rapidly we can hardly keep pace.

Dolla dolla bill y'all.



I believe you are wrong.
Most players and casters would be able to make more money doing completely different things(exceptions being huge tournament-winners).
They choose to do SC2 because they like/love it, they are able to because their economy allows it.
If they didn't love the game it would be an amazingly stupid thing to do(play/cast) for money, and that's why I sincerely doubt money is why they're in it.

Organizers of tournaments, sponsors, team owners, completely different story.



And without organizers of tournaments, sponsors, team owners.. Whats left? What's left is the broodwar scene in anywhere but Korea :p Virtually nonexistent.

Players would still play the game if they loved it, sure.. But the exposure just wouldn't be there. The sponsors and teams would vanish, and the quality of players in NA and Europe would fall as drastically fast as it did in BW.

And how would it be stupid to cast or play for money even if they hate the game...? :p Don't quite follow. Hey here's 1,000 cash in pocket, all expense paid trip to cast a game in Sweden. You down? "Oh no no, my heart is not into it. I'd much rather you keep the money or give it to a more deserving soul." Seriously? :p

I don't wake up every morning with a fucking smile on my face so excited to get to work usually. And i don't give a crap if they do either. Just produce!!


What you're talking about here, real or not is just a bonus that would be given to no one but someone who is already very established in the scene. You need countless of hours getting to that point, and those hours would be better used towards more rewarding activities if you don't like/love the game. That's why it would be stupid.

You have a point in your last sentence, except that I believe most players/casters would get more money from a different "job". If they were moneydriven they would go for that. I may be wrong but it doesn't really matter.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Robonord
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States311 Posts
July 15 2011 23:42 GMT
#524
I honestly do not understand how Incontrol has any fans when he acts like this.
IMLosirA | ST_Bomber | SlayerS_Puzzle
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 23:44:38
July 15 2011 23:43 GMT
#525
I'm not sure why people are acting like what he said about TB makes it a bad interview (you can disagree vehemently with someone on something and it doesn't mean the interview is bad). If anything, it's refreshing to hear someone actually express their opinion without dancing around acting super PC about everything. If anything, the shitstorm that resulted from it is going to result in people being less open about it .

Incontrol, the mediocre player that flamebates on TL forums then acts all surprised when people bite. Talking down on TB is ridiculous too. People like TB and Take actually put their own money into SC2. Which takes a lot more guts than to just show your face everywhere and then claim you help ESPORTZZ.

While I'm not going to claim "Incontrol #1 Protoss NA" or something silly, he's not exactly some guy who just goes around yelling "ESPORTS" while doing nothing. He's dedicated like a decade of his life to Starcraft, and has consistently been one of the most active community members on TL, both in posting and in doing other things. I don't know how much of his actual bank account he has put into Starcraft, but given the whole "time = money" concept, he's put in a lot more money than either Take or TB have.

On July 16 2011 08:42 Robonord wrote:
I honestly do not understand how Incontrol has any fans when he acts like this.

He has fans because some people appreciate people who don't act super PC all the time, and Incontrol brings personality to SC2. It's why Idra has one of the largest fanbases around (no, not everyone who follows him just likes seeing him rage).
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
July 15 2011 23:43 GMT
#526
On July 16 2011 08:38 Xanarial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 08:29 Coolwhip wrote:
Incontrol, the mediocre player that flamebates on TL forums then acts all surprised when people bite. Talking down on TB is ridiculous too. People like TB and Take actually put their own money into SC2. Which takes a lot more guts than to just show your face everywhere and then claim you help ESPORTZZ.


I know man, Inc seems to walk around like he owns the place, when in fact he's probably the single most overrated SC2 player on the planet.

I dunno if he's overrated, does anyone actually think he's any good?
GumThief
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada284 Posts
July 15 2011 23:56 GMT
#527
On July 16 2011 08:41 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 08:15 GumThief wrote:
On July 16 2011 08:00 TheBanana wrote:
On July 16 2011 07:41 GumThief wrote:
Who the he'll isn't it in for the money at this point? MLG NASL and GOMtv are all not for profit organizations right?? Sending their profits to supply needy children with mechanical keyboards and graphic cards amirite?

EG or Mouz sends their players overseas purely to "further esports" right? Nothing about ROI, they only do it to make nerds sweat and smile... Hokay??

Who cares honestly. Not the most thought out statement by Inc IMO, but nothing to get so outraged by. Everyone should understand it's all ROI baby.

Everybody, casters players organizations, are in this amazing spot they are in today because there IS money to be made. Let's not get into WHY they are doing it but focus on the fact this scene is growing so rapidly we can hardly keep pace.

Dolla dolla bill y'all.



I believe you are wrong.
Most players and casters would be able to make more money doing completely different things(exceptions being huge tournament-winners).
They choose to do SC2 because they like/love it, they are able to because their economy allows it.
If they didn't love the game it would be an amazingly stupid thing to do(play/cast) for money, and that's why I sincerely doubt money is why they're in it.

Organizers of tournaments, sponsors, team owners, completely different story.



And without organizers of tournaments, sponsors, team owners.. Whats left? What's left is the broodwar scene in anywhere but Korea :p Virtually nonexistent.

Players would still play the game if they loved it, sure.. But the exposure just wouldn't be there. The sponsors and teams would vanish, and the quality of players in NA and Europe would fall as drastically fast as it did in BW.

And how would it be stupid to cast or play for money even if they hate the game...? :p Don't quite follow. Hey here's 1,000 cash in pocket, all expense paid trip to cast a game in Sweden. You down? "Oh no no, my heart is not into it. I'd much rather you keep the money or give it to a more deserving soul." Seriously? :p

I don't wake up every morning with a fucking smile on my face so excited to get to work usually. And i don't give a crap if they do either. Just produce!!


What you're talking about here, real or not is just a bonus that would be given to no one but someone who is already very established in the scene. You need countless of hours getting to that point, and those hours would be better used towards more rewarding activities if you don't like/love the game. That's why it would be stupid.

You have a point in your last sentence, except that I believe most players/casters would get more money from a different "job". If they were moneydriven they would go for that. I may be wrong but it doesn't really matter.


Ah I see what you are saying. time spent VS potential profit just isn't there to endure something you hate ~_~ eheh. GG!!! wp
:))
Tyrgrim
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden83 Posts
July 16 2011 00:00 GMT
#528
On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:
WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!!

lol did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOL


Dont lump every single person who has commented "against" you in this thread into 1 pile.
Some call you a hypocrite, some insult you, some question your evidence regarding this accusatory statement, and some are just merely curious as to what exactly you meant.
It might be easy to view everyone as a single entity, "the haters", but that would not be correct.

Oh and it's 20+ pages not because there's a heated, dramafilled debate regarding what you said. Just individuals adding their thoughts to it. Noone is saying this shit is super important or anything of the sorts, but are only important things allowed to be discussed? Can we only write something when it is very important? Is that how you reached your 27k+ posts? People saw something being said they perceived as incorrect and hypocritical, so they spoke up against it. Nothing wrong with that, if you except the douchebags who felt the need to insult you.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
July 16 2011 00:31 GMT
#529
On July 16 2011 02:21 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 02:15 zarepath wrote:
Incontrol is so hilariously careful with his wording in these interviews, and then continues to single out TotalBiscuit and Tyler, over and over again.


eh?

Was late night skype interview where I was amidst 3 other eg's practicing etc.. just gave my thoughts.

Well, maybe "hilariously careful" is a little inaccurate, then. Your english major is showing, I guess (represent). You're eloquent enough that you can sound like a walking prepared statement. I DO appreciate your thoughts, however.

I wonder if you're living proof of why SC2 pros have tended to pull back more into obscurity, being less involved in the public scene -- they see how careful and honest you try to be and yet you get tons of crap for it.

I guess when I said "hilariously careful" I meant that when I read your interviews / listen to you on shows, I can almost see the tightrope you're walking. And yet this restraint does little/no good, because as soon as you use a specific example the drama begins.

I have noticed that you've mentioned several times how little Tyler practices when nobody else says anything about it. The reason people think you're worth listening to is the fact you're willing to state your opinions on specific issues/people; that's also the reason that people think you're worth raging about.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 16 2011 00:39 GMT
#530
it's true.. in general tl is spoken as a place we (progamers) NEED to avoid I am reluctant but it truly is stupid that I post here.

giant flash mobs of anger / band wagon shit. eventually all the progamers will avoid interacting with the public and people will probably barely notice but it will be sad...

count the progamers that post here now
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 16 2011 00:41 GMT
#531
The reason people think you're worth listening to is the fact you're willing to state your opinions on specific issues/people; that's also the reason that people think you're worth raging about


Tyler doesn't practice enough. True Statement. Nobody gets mad.
TB is in SC2 for the money. Not True Statement. Shitstorm ensues.

It has nothing to do with speaking openly and everything to do with the truth behind what is actually being said.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 16 2011 00:42 GMT
#532
On July 16 2011 09:39 iNcontroL wrote:
it's true.. in general tl is spoken as a place we (progamers) NEED to avoid I am reluctant but it truly is stupid that I post here.

giant flash mobs of anger / band wagon shit. eventually all the progamers will avoid interacting with the public and people will probably barely notice but it will be sad...

count the progamers that post here now


Still no response to valid posts and more vague threats of the forums being ruined due to a decrease in progamer interaction.

Classic.
nicotn
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands186 Posts
July 16 2011 00:44 GMT
#533
On July 16 2011 09:39 iNcontroL wrote:
it's true.. in general tl is spoken as a place we (progamers) NEED to avoid I am reluctant but it truly is stupid that I post here.

giant flash mobs of anger / band wagon shit. eventually all the progamers will avoid interacting with the public and people will probably barely notice but it will be sad...

count the progamers that post here now


sure geoff
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 00:48:49
July 16 2011 00:48 GMT
#534
On July 16 2011 09:39 iNcontroL wrote:
it's true.. in general tl is spoken as a place we (progamers) NEED to avoid I am reluctant but it truly is stupid that I post here.

giant flash mobs of anger / band wagon shit. eventually all the progamers will avoid interacting with the public and people will probably barely notice but it will be sad...

count the progamers that post here now



?? Well if progamers say the logical thing and can debate what they say, then I don't see a problem with it.

Ive seen TT1, jinro , FXO guys, and other gamers post fine on TL. You seem to get the most backlash.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 00:53:59
July 16 2011 00:50 GMT
#535
Damn.. InControl with the completely uncalled for bash on TB. That's so bad, and makes Inc look terrible. Bashing TB while comparing him to Lindsay in 2 completely ridiculous statements is just... facepalm bad.

On July 16 2011 08:43 Insane wrote:
I'm not sure why people are acting like what he said about TB makes it a bad interview (you can disagree vehemently with someone on something and it doesn't mean the interview is bad). If anything, it's refreshing to hear someone actually express their opinion without dancing around acting super PC about everything. If anything, the shitstorm that resulted from it is going to result in people being less open about it .

Show nested quote +
Incontrol, the mediocre player that flamebates on TL forums then acts all surprised when people bite. Talking down on TB is ridiculous too. People like TB and Take actually put their own money into SC2. Which takes a lot more guts than to just show your face everywhere and then claim you help ESPORTZZ.

While I'm not going to claim "Incontrol #1 Protoss NA" or something silly, he's not exactly some guy who just goes around yelling "ESPORTS" while doing nothing. He's dedicated like a decade of his life to Starcraft, and has consistently been one of the most active community members on TL, both in posting and in doing other things. I don't know how much of his actual bank account he has put into Starcraft, but given the whole "time = money" concept, he's put in a lot more money than either Take or TB have.

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 08:42 Robonord wrote:
I honestly do not understand how Incontrol has any fans when he acts like this.

He has fans because some people appreciate people who don't act super PC all the time, and Incontrol brings personality to SC2. It's why Idra has one of the largest fanbases around (no, not everyone who follows him just likes seeing him rage).


Right.. randomly insulting people out of nowhere equals "personality".............
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
July 16 2011 00:50 GMT
#536
Man... there used to be a time when people respected progamers. This is just sad. This community has fallen a long way since the Broodwar days.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 16 2011 00:52 GMT
#537
On July 16 2011 09:50 Dental Floss wrote:
Man... there used to be a time when people respected progamers. This is just sad. This community has fallen a long way since the Broodwar days.


People still respect the progamers who deserve it...............
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 00:59:32
July 16 2011 00:58 GMT
#538
i honestly dont think the "jab" at me is really a jab. i took no offense from it. if anything, it's nice of him to say that i could win a championship. pretty sure there's no other player with my sc2 results that geoff would say could win. his wording did make it sound like i did worse in the nasl than i actually did. i got cut but i was literally one spot away from making it to season 2. i think if i won 1 more game (not even a whole match, just 1 game) then i would've made it. even so, his assessment has some truth to it. i didnt need to get dead last for his point to be valid. but uhhh it's pretty clear he's talking in general during the rest of that answer. he brings me up but then he talks in general. not all of that stuff applies to me and he doesnt mean for it to.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Shameless
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands349 Posts
July 16 2011 00:59 GMT
#539
To earn respect you actually gotta be respectful yourself.
Liquid'HuK "That's Halo, don't worry"
Asuhrie
Profile Joined May 2011
United States4 Posts
July 16 2011 01:00 GMT
#540
I really think you guys all need to relax. It's not that big of a deal.
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