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On July 16 2011 01:58 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +Isn't Incontrol exactly like TotalBiscuit in that regard, "making money" off SC2? Oh god... Inc did not make a comment on the fact that Totalbiscuit was making money off SC2 but on the fact that he came to SC2 to make money. Which in his eyes is less "admirable?" than A: being a die hard fan of SC, go into SC2 and eventually make money off your passion. And B: being hired by an organisation to provide a service. You can argue that TB came into SC2 because he loved it and not because he wanted to make money. You can also argue that Incontrol's opinion is wrong but please don't distort his words. I'm new to this site, but i really feel that people should tune down the crazy before posting. That's not pointed at you Sharuko, but there are posts on this thread that made me go: wtf did that guy put in is crack this morning . Any person who has previously made money off of video games by reporting on them, playing them competitively or casting them, who picks up SC2 and proceeds to make money from it, should not be automatically labeled as someone who came to SC2 just to make money. I agree with you but that's not exactly what incontrol said. He thinks that the people like TB (which is pretty unclear) that came into starcraft 2 just for the money are less admirable. Like i said i think that Incontrol simply makes the distinction between the people who would have played the game and made it a big part of their life regardless of its success and who now can actually make a career of of it and those who came into starcraft just to make money,riding the wave of its success, even if they might not like/play the game. Whether TB actually is actually a part of the second category is very debatable, but i'm pretty sure you can put incontrol in the first one.
I think the problem here is that he said "worse offense", which has a negative meaning, he actually feels offended by those people, and not a "less positive" meaning. If he said less admirable the distinction could possible be made, but the way he expresses it definatelly make it sound as something bad.
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I don't think you can really defend InC's decision to place Lindsey's intentions higher then TB's LOL.
Also for all the legions of TB fanboys out there saying "he puts money back in", this is a business strategy they teach you in college, you start an organization to be zero profit, or give free things away, or take away your own profit and give it away to attract attention and gain more loyalty. Please give it a rest, like putting more money into the pot to attract bigger player names makes him an angel, it's part of a business strategy to gain viewership.
This whole thread of people actually defending InC, TB or Lindsey makes me nauseous.
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On July 16 2011 01:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 01:48 Wawa wrote:
A positive way of looking at things.
"He's just in it for the money."
Good! That means people who have the criteria and good credentials are willing to participate and share their expertise to the community.
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In the end, everyone gets a better product out of this. it is ironic that a man who comes from the land whose initials form the dollar sign holds "making" money in such low regard.
Sorry. I don't quite understand what you meant. -_-
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On July 16 2011 02:09 forgottendreams wrote:
I don't think you can really defend InC's decision to place Lindsey's intentions higher then TB's LOL.
Also for all the legions of TB fanboys out there saying "he puts money back in", this is a business strategy they teach you in college, you start an organization to be zero profit, or give free things away, or take away your own profit and give it away to attract attention and gain more loyalty. Please give it a rest like that makes him an angel, it's part of a business strategy.
This whole thread of people actually defending InC, TB or Lindsey makes me nauseous.
You should read this maybe before blindly assuming things.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10317646
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small thing but those photos in the article are way too big. 72dpi 10in tall is all you need. 300dpi online is excessive, no need to be able to see iNcontrol's pores.
Only mention it 'cause it lags when i scroll down the page
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On July 16 2011 02:13 HaRxTears wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:09 forgottendreams wrote:
I don't think you can really defend InC's decision to place Lindsey's intentions higher then TB's LOL.
Also for all the legions of TB fanboys out there saying "he puts money back in", this is a business strategy they teach you in college, you start an organization to be zero profit, or give free things away, or take away your own profit and give it away to attract attention and gain more loyalty. Please give it a rest like that makes him an angel, it's part of a business strategy.
This whole thread of people actually defending InC, TB or Lindsey makes me nauseous. You should read this maybe before blindly assuming things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10317646
I've read that, all I read is a man making a wise decision to do long-term investing in a game with alot more future then a dying competitive WoW scene. To each their own on how they view that post.
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Incontrol is so hilariously careful with his wording in these interviews, and then continues to single out TotalBiscuit and Tyler, over and over again.
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On July 16 2011 02:15 forgottendreams wrote:
I've read that, all I read is a man making a wise decision to do long-term investing in a game with alot more future then a dying competitive WoW arena. To each their own on how they view that post.
I cast WoW arena once bro, in my entire life, you don't seem to know too much about my business strategy at all XD
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On July 16 2011 02:15 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:13 HaRxTears wrote:On July 16 2011 02:09 forgottendreams wrote:
I don't think you can really defend InC's decision to place Lindsey's intentions higher then TB's LOL.
Also for all the legions of TB fanboys out there saying "he puts money back in", this is a business strategy they teach you in college, you start an organization to be zero profit, or give free things away, or take away your own profit and give it away to attract attention and gain more loyalty. Please give it a rest like that makes him an angel, it's part of a business strategy.
This whole thread of people actually defending InC, TB or Lindsey makes me nauseous. You should read this maybe before blindly assuming things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10317646 I've read that, all I read is a man making a wise decision to do long-term investing in a game with alot more future then a dying competitive WoW arena. To each their own on how they view that post.
He did like 1 wow arena cast ever...you clearly know nothing about him at all. His wow content had a lot more viewers than his sc2 content, he would've gained a larger profit by disregarding sc2 entirely.
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On July 16 2011 02:15 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:13 HaRxTears wrote:On July 16 2011 02:09 forgottendreams wrote:
I don't think you can really defend InC's decision to place Lindsey's intentions higher then TB's LOL.
Also for all the legions of TB fanboys out there saying "he puts money back in", this is a business strategy they teach you in college, you start an organization to be zero profit, or give free things away, or take away your own profit and give it away to attract attention and gain more loyalty. Please give it a rest like that makes him an angel, it's part of a business strategy.
This whole thread of people actually defending InC, TB or Lindsey makes me nauseous. You should read this maybe before blindly assuming things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10317646 I've read that, all I read is a man making a wise decision to do long-term investing in a game with alot more future then a dying competitive WoW arena. To each their own on how they view that post.
But then you didn't read it, he haven't done anything related to WoW arena in years. Actually, he's been very vocal about how terrible it is, before the SC2 beta even started.
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On July 16 2011 02:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:15 forgottendreams wrote:
I've read that, all I read is a man making a wise decision to do long-term investing in a game with alot more future then a dying competitive WoW arena. To each their own on how they view that post. I cast WoW arena once bro, in my entire life, you don't seem to know too much about my business strategy at all XD
I meant arena figuratively, like the WoW "scene". My mistake on the wording.
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On July 16 2011 02:15 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:13 HaRxTears wrote:On July 16 2011 02:09 forgottendreams wrote:
I don't think you can really defend InC's decision to place Lindsey's intentions higher then TB's LOL.
Also for all the legions of TB fanboys out there saying "he puts money back in", this is a business strategy they teach you in college, you start an organization to be zero profit, or give free things away, or take away your own profit and give it away to attract attention and gain more loyalty. Please give it a rest like that makes him an angel, it's part of a business strategy.
This whole thread of people actually defending InC, TB or Lindsey makes me nauseous. You should read this maybe before blindly assuming things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10317646 I've read that, all I read is a man making a wise decision to do long-term investing in a game with alot more future then a dying competitive WoW scene. To each their own on how they view that post.
You're projecting and clearly either didn't read it at all or your reading comprehension needs improvement.
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On July 16 2011 02:15 zarepath wrote:
Incontrol is so hilariously careful with his wording in these interviews, and then continues to single out TotalBiscuit and Tyler, over and over again.
eh?
Was late night skype interview where I was amidst 3 other eg's practicing etc.. just gave my thoughts.
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On July 16 2011 02:19 forgottendreams wrote:
I meant arena figuratively, like the WoW "scene". My mistake on the wording.
WoW doesn't have a "scene" in the same way SC2 does. The kind of coverage given to it and content derived from it is entirely different. Some folks don't seem to really grasp that you can't compare the two in a direct manner 
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On July 16 2011 02:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:19 forgottendreams wrote:
I meant arena figuratively, like the WoW "scene". My mistake on the wording. WoW doesn't have a "scene" in the same way SC2 does. The kind of coverage given to it and content derived from it is entirely different. Some folks don't seem to really grasp that you can't compare the two in a direct manner
In the end you, InControl and Lindsey have a net profit in the terms of the progression of the scene, so I don't dislike any of you. More power to you and good luck in the future.
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The problem I have is that out of the whole interview, that one line somewhat confuses me in his logic that he made in his statements. Whether he could of worded it differently or not of have named anyone, it probably would of stilled carried a negative connotation to some people. It would of been better if he had not said that one line at all, since it seemed kind of contradictory to the other things he stated. I'm not angry or outraged at all, since this is his opinions and insights on things as he was the one being interviewed. It's just that he talks about the development of NASL and Lindsey Sporrer and then he says that one thing which made his previous statements kind of confusing and contradictory.
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I think during the Pre-Season of NASL they randomly switched casters too much during the "show" like for the first game it would be like Gretorp and InC and then Gretorp and Xeris it made it look unprofessional.
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The interview isn't that bad, but it seems a little to much of "EG PR" casting Geoff in a certain light moving forwards. Definitely not a 100% accurate representation of his thoughts I'm sure.
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we need people to get into sc2 for money if we want sc2 or esports in generell to be big. NBA didn't become what it is just by people being passionate about basketball. what harm does it if people just come in for the money. i'm not implying that's what TB is doing, i just don't get incontrols point. what harm is TB doing? don't get it. imo anyone can do what ever he or she wants. calling him out was pretty unnecessary
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Good interview overall (very PC) but the statement about tb was both insulting and hypocritical on multiple levels. This is what I drew from the TB/Lindsey statement:
- We want to bring in a wider audience, but we don't want people from other games coming and stealing our money. Fuck those guys. We want people but not them.
- I play this game b/c this is where the money is. I don't have respect for other people who weren't already a part of the community doing what they can to become a part of this community, even if it is partially for money.
Pretty stupid points to be drawn from an otherwise great interview. Inc putting his foot in his mouth is nothing new <3
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