EPTEveryone should be welcome. Elitist attitudes are not necessary and hurt the game.
An NASL Retrospective With EG.iNcontroL - Page 19
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Sharuko
United States15 Posts
Everyone should be welcome. Elitist attitudes are not necessary and hurt the game. | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:50 Sharuko wrote: Incontrol's comments are really bad for ESports. Everyone should be invited, everyone who wants to be part of it should. No one owns it more than another, no one is more entitled to it than any other. Everyone should be welcome. Elitist attitudes are not necessary and hurt the game. Damn, looks like Geoff has joined the likes of SirScoots and djWheat and is killing esports...damn shame. + Show Spoiler + Seriously?... | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:50 Sharuko wrote: Incontrol's comments are really bad for ESports. Everyone should be invited, everyone who wants to be part of it should. No one owns it more than another, no one is more entitled to it than any other. Everyone should be welcome. Elitist attitudes are not necessary and hurt the game. Dude, Incontrol wasn't being elitist. And honestly, this is nothing compared to what other players have done or said in the past. Incontrol's done a lot with the community and honestly, he's entitled to his opinions. His one comment doesn't represent all of us... | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On July 15 2011 23:44 Trowa127 wrote: Pretty much this. The key point people are missing is that Totalbiscuit takes money out of his own pocket to pay for events, sponsor prize pools and cast games. Inc is paid for *everything* he does. Everything. Even though that might not have always been the case in sc1, it is now, as his comments regarding Korea prove. That's not true, incontrol is doing sotg for free ! Oops wait, he stopped doing sotg because it was free. Anyway, I would have liked for this interview to address the concerns in more details. They keep saying "we'll fix this and that" but there are still no detail. I guess they are in an intense brainstorming period for organizing the season 2 better and fixing most problems so they'll announce everything later. Really hope they'll have a better decision making process, I think they could even asking the community about it (those threads could become a mess, but some interesting ideas could come out of them) Or they could contact the teamliquid staff about it. TSL was organized perfectly (I know it was a different format), with all rules and cases theorycrafted and addressed before problems appeared, so everything was fixed very quickly (I remember Boxer (was it Boxer ?) dropping from a game, they had a rule and 5 "experts" sets to make a ruling, I remember being amazed of how everything was well thought and planned) | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
It's just a lot of stuff going on, which may be irrelevant if analyzed properly, but create a sort of "thinking-cloud" that gives me that impression. I cannot help it, it's some sort of unconscious thinking that gets me every time... | ||
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eltese
Sweden369 Posts
I personally dont like TB's casting but he does alot of good things for the community and he reaches a wider audience and honestly creates good drama for people to freak out on  Maybe inc would still be playing full time with no salary (if so he's an idiot, you need to pay your bills ffs :p) and maybe TB would not. Who cares really? Now they do make money, they both contribute and they both really seem to want the best for the esports world (keep in mind that esports is not only sc2:p) | ||
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Fermats_last
England336 Posts
And then he just goes on to drop comments about tyler being the worst player in the NASL and TB only coming to starcraft 2 for the money. These comments are just as if not more offensive than Hotbids. How can he have such double standards and still be a respected community member? His light hearted 'trollish' personality he trys to put on doesn't seem to fit with his harsh comments and anger at people saying anything vaguely detrimental to something he is part of. | ||
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Benga
Korea (South)471 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:13 HaRxTears wrote: Does Incontrol hold €1500 and €2500 tournaments of his own pocket? Fck NO his money goes to pizza's Does TotalBiscuit hold €1500 and €2500 tournaments out of his own pocket? Fck YES. Incontrol should get his facts straight before talking about TotalBiscuit and what he does and does not. btw  iNcontroL wouldnt never win a 1500$ check he's TLPD.But he'll raise more money with coaching so he isnt desperate about tourneys,he seems more money driven than any other in sc2.On July 15 2011 23:00 karpo wrote: He complains about people coming to SC2 to make money yet he himself is driven by money primarily as he has used the money argument multiple times about moving to korea. Moving to korea is not that good for income but it could actually make him win something, not just make money of streaming, coaching and being a, at best, average foreigner. This guy really nailed it. | ||
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HaRxTears
141 Posts
On July 16 2011 01:15 Fermats_last wrote: I really don't understand how Incontrol can get so angry at innocent comments like when Hotbid tweeted about Ret having to face the winner of the open bracket after coming first "boo format" and Incontrol responded about proffesionalism and got angry about an organiser of one tournament 'bashing' (hardly bashing anyway ) another. (can't remeber exact words etc. but was along these lines ) And then he just goes on to drop comments about tyler being the worst player in the NASL and TB only coming to starcraft 2 for the money. These comments are just as if not more offensive than Hotbids. How can he have such double standards and still be a respected community member? His light hearted 'trollish' personality he trys to put on doesn't seem to fit with his harsh comments and anger at people saying anything vaguely detrimental to something he is part of. Its called being a hypocrite its what he is best at. | ||
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sephius
United Kingdom200 Posts
In all seriousness, I think Geoff's hilarious. He brings a sort of anti-hero vibe to the community which I think is awesome. I like TB too, he seems to be passionate about gaming in general and shows it in all his youtube videos. I personally don't give a %^*& about how much someone is earning, but you have to give respect to how TB generates fans for starcraft 2 - and success in in starcraft 2 does kinda depend on new blood and viewer count. I think my only beef with TB is how he signs off by saying "I'll see you next time" - It's just the way he says it. As an English fella myself I'm thinking half the time "Where the hell did he get an accent like that?" | ||
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Fermats_last
England336 Posts
On July 16 2011 01:19 sephius wrote: I think my only beef with TB is how he signs off by saying "I'll see you next time" - It's just the way he says it. As an English fella myself I'm thinking half the time "Where the hell did he get an accent like that?" He has admitted before that the accent is put on, like a radio voice. I think he's originally from newcastle? not sure though | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
On July 15 2011 23:03 Liquid`Tyler wrote: It's not a distortion of words. It's just putting things into perspective. Any person who has previously made money off of video games by reporting on them, playing them competitively or casting them, who picks up SC2 and proceeds to make money from it, should not be automatically labeled as someone who came to SC2 just to make money. If TB of all people is going to be labeled that way, then incontrol should certainly be labeled that way, since I'm pretty sure incontrol was planning to make a career out of sc2 since day 1. It doesn't have to be a negative label, anyway. Either someone makes a good contribution to the community or they don't. Who cares how much money they make if they have a positive effect. +1 People who makes positive contributions to the community is what esports need. By incontrols logic, majar companies that sponser stacraft 2 tournaments are just in it for the money and are bad for the community. I bet the CEO's of Sony Ericson, Dr.Pepper, Pepsi etc.. have no interest at all in Starcraft. Even if they are looking for monetary returns from the investment, it still is a positive contribution. I just cannot understand incontrols logic at all, he just comes across as bitter and vile. + Show Spoiler + I used to be a massive incontrol fan. The thing that made me a fan was he was so funny on SOTG, came off as such a nice guy. But yea things change quickly....... | ||
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Reggiegigas
234 Posts
will not abide TotalBiscuit casting any events I care about, like NASL. Same as Husky, he can do his own thing all he wants. I just don't like them and they're not good enough to cast big events. Bring me more of my beloved Tastosis. I would also appreciate them switching out Gretorp for day9. Gretorp just isn't all that great, and besides, his ears bother me, haha. ^^ | ||
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HaRxTears
141 Posts
On July 16 2011 01:16 Benga wrote: btw iNcontroL wouldnt never win a 1500$ check he's TLPD.But he'll raise more money with coaching so he isnt desperate about tourneysOmg he is abusing sc2 for making money!!@#!#!@#@!#!@!!! I TAKE OFFENSE FOR THIS LIKE HE TAKES OFFENSE OF TOTALBISCUIT! ;D | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
I would understand that statement if he said people that started working with SC2 but have no real passion, are only there for the money, but that's a much worse claim and definately debatable about basically anyone in the scene. You can say that everyone that switches games did it for the money and you wouldnt be too wrong, very few people would do so to make less money, so to state it like that is almost like saying you would like the scene to remain stagnant. And mentioning TotalBiscuit, he is probally not one of the people that profited the most with the switch, I could only undestand his point if he believe TB cares about SC2 much less than the others do. | ||
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someperson
United States17 Posts
If incontrol does decide to make his stand here and attempt to "win" this argument, he will need quite a lot of help because his logic is clearly in the wrong. Love for the community should imply working to make a better community. This pointless fighting does not make a better community. The thing i fear and hope that isn't true is that some people, like incontrol, view totalbiscuit and his viewing audience as not part of the "community". i think this view is closed-minded. I know it can be a bit much to ask, but everyone should try to show some common decency and respect on the internet, and definitely in published interviews. | ||
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Wawa
United States215 Posts
"He's just in it for the money." Good! That means people who have the criteria and good credentials are willing to participate and share their expertise to the community. We don't have to bear with all the amateurs and the big league tournies can set the bar high coz who we are paying have already experiences doing events and being professional with their craft. That person getting paid will surely attract more people because he already has a certain amount of viewers that keeps an eye on him. Even though he gets paid, a lof of the income still goes to the one paying him if the person he is paying does a very great job. In the end, everyone gets a better product out of this. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
Any person who has previously made money off of video games by reporting on them, playing them competitively or casting them, who picks up SC2 and proceeds to make money from it, should not be automatically labeled as someone who came to SC2 just to make money. I agree with you but that's not exactly what incontrol said. He thinks that the people like TB (which is pretty unclear) that came into starcraft 2 just for the money are less admirable. Like i said i think that Incontrol simply makes the distinction between the people who would have played the game and made it a big part of their life regardless of its success and who now can actually make a career of of it and those who came into starcraft just to make money,riding the wave of its success, even if they might not like/play the game. Whether TB actually is actually a part of the second category is very debatable, but i'm pretty sure you can put incontrol in the first one. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17390 Posts
On July 16 2011 01:48 Wawa wrote: A positive way of looking at things. "He's just in it for the money." Good! That means people who have the criteria and good credentials are willing to participate and share their expertise to the community. .... In the end, everyone gets a better product out of this. it is ironic that a man who comes from the land whose initials form the dollar sign holds "making" money in such low regard. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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