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Zynxz
Sweden13 Posts
Really good way to thank someone who is actually putting out his own money in his own tournament. In addition I think that it would be safe to assume that Lindsey was only in the gig for the money in the beginning (since she didn't know much about it). | ||
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Insurrectionist
Norway141 Posts
On July 15 2011 23:36 AdamBanks wrote: 6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS That doesn't mean you should be mindless sycophants unwilling to criticize any behavior or comments by community figures. Frankly it's a stupid guideline on a forum with heavy moderation, it's far too easy to make the community insular and closed to any criticism by near deifying the respected, long-term contributors regardless of faults they may have. Of course, there are more than enough posters on TL who'll gang up on anything just to be contrary, so I doubt any such situation could occur here in the near future caused by groupthink, rather than authority figures. As long as the mods don't stiffle any such discussion before it gets stale or just devolves into shouting matches filled with fallacies used for the hundredth time, as every thread inevitably does, we should be fine. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:07 Shalaiyn wrote: That's because Blizzard is mishandling WoW completely. Blizzard is mishandling WoW by focusing more on PvE which the majority of the WoW players do? I would say that's a pretty good handling of WoW. | ||
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:01 Linwelin wrote: Incontrol "flaming" (I couldn't find a better word thanks to my poor vocabulary) some random hater on TL forums is one thing. Incontrol "flaming" Totalbiscuit by saying that he got into SC2 for the money when TB has put a lot of his money in doing good things for the community (organizing/sponsoring/casting tournaments) is another. If this is the case here then i agree, I literally have no idea of how much revenue TB makes or how he spends it. If i did and learned that he does use it to promote e-sports (and to be precise starcraft) then I would hope inc would know this and not flame on him. edited: to the guy who thinks rule 6 is a bad thing 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." | ||
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HaRxTears
141 Posts
I honestly take more offense at people coming from other sports just to make money in Starcraft II--someone like TotalBiscuit. Does Incontrol hold €1500 and €2500 tournaments of his own pocket? Fck NO his money goes to pizza's Does TotalBiscuit hold €1500 and €2500 tournaments out of his own pocket? Fck YES. Incontrol should get his facts straight before talking about TotalBiscuit and what he does and does not. | ||
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Shameless
Netherlands349 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On July 15 2011 21:32 TotalBiscuit wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't think I really need to get involved in this thread in a major way, the community has already made it's stance known and I thank them for that, but I can provide a little perspective on this one. NASL paid $100 for my casting with Gretorp, for a 4-5 hour job. This is their "standard fee", I do not know what they paid everyone else. I accepted it and added it to the prizepool for SCI. I spent a couple of thousand to get to Dreamhack, I was not paid for that event. I got VoD rights which meant I could recoup some of it over the course of several months, otherwise I paid my travel and accomodation, rented a car, brought my own gear and was asked to cast on the Dreamhack stream so they received the stream revenue. As for the other tournaments, aside from IPL who have a tendency of paying everyone fairly, players included as you've seen from IPL's prize distribution, I've made a loss on every tournament I've casted, because it takes time away from doing other, more popular content. Just to clear up some outdated information by some folks, I stopped doing WoW content a couple of months ago because I was no longer enjoying the game. It was a big earner but I cut it entirely, specifically in protest at a move by Blizzard to appease bad players by nerfing the content I enjoyed. I believed this was a betrayal of their statement they made at the start of this expansion, that "Raiding is hard, man up and get better". My primary income at this point comes from my daily Mailbox gaming podcast, my WTF is? (by far the most popular series I do), Terraria and my League of Legends gameplays. Starcraft 2 remains a small portion of my income and as you all know, all my stream revenue funds tournaments so I don't see a dime of that. One last thing for those with short memories. - my first Starcraft 2 cast, on Day 1 of beta. As a sidenote of trivia, this cast was featured by Blizzard as a way to help people overcome their fear of getting into SC2. - the day I became a Youtube partner, 6 months later. If you don't understand what that means, in order to get paid for any videos you do, you have to be a partner, so I wasn't earning anything at all from it before that. I think you can draw your own conclusions there. I don't think anything else really needs to be addressed, others have said it for me. Look out for a special announcement coming very soon on the tournament side of things! That's how he spends his money Edit: And http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244171 | ||
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Riskr
Germany403 Posts
Its good for Starcraft,Esports and public attendence in general. But I am here for the money,fame and stardom. Where can i get a contract? | ||
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:18 Harrow wrote: Advertising genius. Namedrop TotalBiscuit, get thousands of pageviews from raging defenders. So everytime someone defends someone else he becomes a "raging defender" ? | ||
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AdamBanks
Canada996 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:15 Linwelin wrote: That's how he spends his money Edit: And http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244171 Thats awsome. Does anyone know how much revenue does he generate from he's work? I mean i hear some people saying "out of pocket" which implies him going in the hole then other people saying he puts the money back in to tourneys? still a little confused. | ||
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trNimitz
204 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:19 AdamBanks wrote: Thats awsome. Does anyone know how much revenue does he generate from he's work? I mean i hear some people saying "out of pocket" which implies him going in the hole then other people saying he puts the money back in to tourneys? still a little confused. I can't reveal my exact income due to various non-disclosure agreements. What I will say is that SC2 is a small part of it and I am living very comfortably, that's all I can really discuss. | ||
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getter1
27 Posts
It really is nauseating to watch him in interviews and listen to him on previous SotG interviews, and then to hear him say all this bullcrap. Geoff, grow up. | ||
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
Unfortunate namedrop and choice of words. Decent responses in this thread after a while. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
I don't think Miss Sporrer and Proser knew each other before nasl, I mean, they introduced each other live in front of the stream, with Anna coming and saying to SporerCrawler : "Hmm, who are you and what are you doing here ?" and Sporecrawler answering "Excellent ! Can I interview you ?" Anyway, the interview was interesting (nothing really ground breaking, just PR stuff) until that random bash on TB, I really didn't understood why he would randomly attack TB like that. That seemed baseless and uncalled for. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I do however, worry a little bit about the tone that iNc takes in this interview. I think iNc has gotten a disproportionate part of the blame for the troubles of the NASL, but despite some good questions from the interviewer, there really never seems to be an acknowledgment on iNc's behalf (or anyone associated with the NASL) that those problems were actually the fault of the NASL. Everything keeps being blamed on it being the first time, so much so that iNc even calls it a cliché. But I don't buy that argument. Plenty of other events have pulled off problem-free debuts.Plenty of other people have done exactly this kind of thing before. The main question is, why weren't these people hired, or their expertise sought? And the second question is, why were these things practiced and tested so that it wasn't the NASL's first time? I think these are valid questions, and I haven't seen them even acknowledged. Sure the community got their knickers in a twist about the sound issues, and sure the sound issues got better as the tournament went on. But what the community was really unhappy about wasn't the issues themselves, but the fact that there were issues to begin with. And while the production did improve throughout the NASL, it really never was perfect, and problems continued to occur. Beyond the specifics of any particular mistake by the NASL, I thought there were serious questions to be raised about personnel and decision making. The argument that things eventually got better simply doesn't hold, because things should've been better at the start. It goes back to communication, which I continue to argue was the NASL's weakest point. Throughout, the NASL had this "We're doing esports, stop ruining esports by criticizing us" kind of mentality. To his credit, iNc does address that. But that mentality was still present even at the finals event. And I feel as though in the post mortems we're hearing from some NASL staff, we're still seeing it. I mean, calling the hiring of Lindsey Sporrer as 'genius' is stretching it a bit. Using good-looking women to conduct interviews at a competition is hardly an original idea, even in esports. Explaining that NASL had extra chairs on hand is not an example of brilliant planning ahead, it's what any major event does. It makes it even sillier that the NASL had no back-up projector, honestly. I hate to be so negative, it's just a little tiny bit disappointing. | ||
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:19 Linwelin wrote: So everytime someone defends someone else he becomes a "raging defender" ? A lot of posters in this thread seem angry. I'm not saying their anger is unjustified, that's subjective. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:28 tree.hugger wrote: There's really no point in getting involved in this iNc vs TB nonsense. I think it wasn't a smart thing to say, but I don't care about it. We've had better drama in the past. Grow up, all of you. I do however, worry a little bit about the tone that iNc takes in this interview. I think iNc has gotten a disproportionate part of the blame for the troubles of the NASL, but despite some good questions from the interviewer, there really never seems to be an acknowledgment on iNc's behalf (or anyone associated with the NASL) that those problems were actually the fault of the NASL. Everything keeps being blamed on it being the first time, so much so that iNc even calls it a cliché. But I don't buy that argument. Plenty of other events have pulled off problem-free debuts.Plenty of other people have done exactly this kind of thing before. The main question is, why weren't these people hired, or their expertise sought? And the second question is, why were these things practiced and tested so that it wasn't the NASL's first time? I think these are valid questions, and I haven't seen them even acknowledged. Sure the community got their knickers in a twist about the sound issues, and sure the sound issues got better as the tournament went on. But what the community was really unhappy about wasn't the issues themselves, but the fact that there were issues to begin with. And while the production did improve throughout the NASL, it really never was perfect, and issues continued to occur. Beyond the specifics of any particular issue for the NASL, I thought there were serious questions to be raised about personnel and decision making. The argument that things eventually got better simply doesn't hold, because things should've been better at the start. It goes back to communication, which I continue to argue was the NASL's weakest point. Throughout, the NASL had this "We're doing esports, stop ruining esports by criticizing us" kind of mentality. To his credit, iNc does address that. But that mentality was still present even at the finals event. And I feel as though in the post mortems we're hearing from some NASL staff, we're still seeing it. I mean, calling the hiring of Lindsey Sporrer as 'genius' is stretching it a bit. Using good-looking women to conduct interviews at a competition is hardly an original idea, even in esports. Explaining that NASL had extra chairs on hand is not an example of brilliant planning ahead, it's what any major event does. It makes it even sillier that the NASL had no back-up projector, honestly. I hate to be so negative, it's just a little tiny bit disappointing. This post is full of win. Although I'm abit torn about the production issue; while I understand that sometimes shit happens, they should've done everything in their power to prevent it - that means thorough testing of equipment and such atleast a week before the event, which as I recall, they started setting up everything only 2 days before the event...? If it happens again though, no mercy :D | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:33 Harrow wrote: A lot of posters in this thread seem angry. I'm not saying their anger is unjustified, that's subjective. Well most people in this thread are upset at a guy at incontrols status would insult TB, who has been good to the community of SC2. | ||
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