NASL Finals Stuff - Page 13

On July 13 2011 00:10 Jibba wrote:

Now that's interesting. o.o

On July 12 2011 22:27 ico wrote:
Blaming players for delays and being ignorant towards feedback

does not shine a better light on you.

I really hope you listen to some more of the feedback you got and don't ignore it because you might not like to hear it.

XERIS: I honestly think people are upset because people just look for things to complain about

xeris: I acknowledge all the criticism, but I won't really do anything about it unless I get constructive criticism, which very few people do.

On July 13 2011 00:14 AdamBanks wrote:


Correct me if im wrong but hasnt xeris alrdy explained this post?

On July 03 2011 01:11 Xeris wrote:


As we said at the start of the season, Strelok was the 'risk' player we accepted, because his team Mouz assured us that he could get a VISA on time.

On July 13 2011 00:16 sc2guy wrote:


And adding the following:

1) http://www.sixjaxgaming.com/wp/scii/2011/03/08/20-questions-with-nasls-xeris/



2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234791&currentpage=5#81



Since day 1, you have been very defensive towards criticism. It feels like only the criticism acceptable by your standards are considered constructive. Have you ever thought that, it is also possible to accept good and bad criticism constructively?

On July 13 2011 00:16 sc2guy wrote:


And adding the following:

1) http://www.sixjaxgaming.com/wp/scii/2011/03/08/20-questions-with-nasls-xeris/



2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234791&currentpage=5#81



Since day 1, you have been very defensive towards criticism. It feels like only the criticism acceptable by your standards are considered constructive. Have you ever thought that, it is also possible to accept good and bad criticism constructively?

On July 13 2011 00:35 Doso wrote:
- SOUND, bad compression at VoDs, VoDs always off a few seconds, bad sound management at offline finals
- Video Quality on the LAN finals, saw interlace stripes all the time when things where moving, even at 1080p
- finals format, single elimination - no thanks
- rules, not showing up for a match is more favourable than showing up and losing - seriously?
- stupid filler videos - online "best of NASL", offline "way to the finals", way to long and just plain boring

On July 13 2011 00:20 Jibba wrote:


MaNa was the 'risk' player. They saw Strelok's VISA.

On July 12 2011 15:42 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Xeris, I wanted and still do want the NASL to work. We as a community have extremely high standards and we expect those standards to be met if not surpassed. Growing pains are fine but Season 1 was a far cry from being a finished product.

NASL struck me as a project that garnered interest from some investors and enthusiasts, as well as community volunteers. But, it seemed from the start that there was no managerial presence, no structural hierarchy, and no responsibility. NASL felt like an "internet project", and I'll use a personal anecdote to explain:

When I was younger, my friend and I used to come up with ideas for RPGs. We had elaborate character backstories, we sketched out some character portraits, we thought up fun battle systems, but the only games we had created were simplistic RPGs in QBasic that used text as graphics. After a few years, the ideas grew bigger and more elaborate until we ultimately had the Internet at our disposal. The next thing I knew, he was pulling in all sorts of volunteers from all over the world who were submitting character portraits and game concepts to us. Because he was just grateful to receive any kind of help, he would say to anyone who submitted anything "WOW this character looks GREAT, THANK you for this omg" even if it was objectively terrible. The people who approached us were enthusiastic about working on the project, they shared our vision, and they wanted to be included. Those same people who submitted things would stick around for a week or two, then they'd disappear. When it came down to actual necessities like designing cities and dungeons, tile art, sprite art, cogent dialogue, we quickly realized how little we had. If we had a plan in place from the start, with an actual schedule and knowledge of what exactly we needed, we would have been able to make real headway as opposed to drowning.

That, to me, was NASL Season 1. It was like you had a grandiose idea for an awesome league, but the transition between the brainstorming phase and actual planning and delegation hit like a brick wall. Get a paid, qualified staff with experience in the field of editing and post-production. Get experienced department leaders who can manage their teams effectively, report issues to you upfront and provide their suggestions for improvement. Run it like the business it should be -- and needs to be in order to succeed. Volunteers and hopeful dreamers are no substitute for proven, experienced, career-minded professionals. Listen to their feedback and take it to heart.

You can dismiss this post as "hate" all you like, and you can shirk the blame all you like. You, Gretorp, and Inc are the faces of NASL whether you expected to be or not, and you guys are the ones who will be held collectively responsible for the positive or negative results of your league. All I know is that if my name is attached to something, I want to be its harshest critic and demand perfection at every turn.

The good news is that by changing things up, Season 2 can be a lot better. You've already received some constructive criticism in this thread and others, don't just ignore it because you think people are being hateful.

On July 13 2011 00:38 sooch wrote:


Completely agreed.

On July 13 2011 00:20 Jibba wrote:


MaNa was the 'risk' player. They saw Strelok's VISA.

On July 13 2011 00:58 Morfildur wrote:


I didn't notice it in the whole 10 hours i watched the stream and the 2 hours i watched the VODs of the games i missed...

Well, maybe i'm just blind or the problem is less visible in 1080p.