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Hammurabio
152 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:25 Xeris wrote: I'm not blaming players. I'm explaining that were a lot of reasons for delays that were actually pretty standard for many LAN events. I thought this was a show, not a LAN event? | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:25 Xeris wrote: I'm not blaming players. I'm explaining that were a lot of reasons for delays that were actually pretty standard for many LAN events. And as I said, the only extra reason for delays was on the first day, when the players adjusted their settings after the intro videos. On Saturday they started doing it before the intros and it was better. I'm confused as to what other delays you guys are referring to. It's the opposite of a delay, but could you comment on bumping up the grand finals on sunday by 2 and a half hours at the last minute, resulting in people (like me) missing them completely? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:30 bonifaceviii wrote: It's the opposite of a delay, but could you comment on bumping up the grand finals on sunday by 2 and a half hours at the last minute, resulting in people (like me) missing them completely? Because mass people were complaining about 10 hours for 2 series, and we realized that our opening act really wouldn't fill up that much time -- so we just moved the start of the 3rd place match to 1:00pm rather than 2, and had a 1 hour break before the finals after the 3rd place match finished. Since it was ZvZ... obviously much shorter time needed to complete it, which is why the finals started earlier. At that point it would have been a much better choice to start then rather than wait another 2 hours for the schedule. | ||
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reisada
183 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
i know you put in a lot of work but it seems like if you have this schedule and you some how get ahead of it, putting up 'new' content is a bad move because it pisses people off who already planned their day. but theres a lot you can do with old content to make it an exciting time filler | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:36 turdburgler wrote: if you schedule 2 hours for an event such as your music so you had spare time you could of prepared a highlight real of the best games from the regular season (including from players who ended up not making it to the finals) or some kind of interview material with players throughout the season or something to play in spare time rather than jumping up the finals screwing people over. i know you put in a lot of work but it seems like if you have this schedule and you some how get ahead of it, putting up 'new' content is a bad move because it pisses people off who already planned their day. but theres a lot you can do with old content to make it an exciting time filler We could have done that, but didn't. This is a good idea and we'll be working much more next season to create more content for use at the event in case we run into these issues again. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:33 Xeris wrote: Because mass people were complaining about 10 hours for 2 series, and we realized that our opening act really wouldn't fill up that much time -- The five minute song that you scheduled half an hour for, you mean? | ||
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reisada
183 Posts
So is soon like today or like valve time :D? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:39 bonifaceviii wrote: The five minute song that you scheduled half an hour for, you mean? if they have a tight timing for something like a song what do they do if they start late? its completely reasonable to over budget time for an event its just a shame if they dont have a back up plan  | ||
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EvOr
France48 Posts
Regular season The regular season last something like 9 weeks, that's far too many matches to watch. If you're aiming towards a real sports league, you should have highlighted matches on your site, something like : "Friday 8p.m. it's MC Vs. Ret casted by Gretorp and Incontrol !" You should have two tickets : one for highlighted matches + the playoff and finals around 10$ and the other one for the whole season, all the vods and everything that come with this for around 25$, allowing people to get an upgrade for the fair price : 15$. This way you will be able to get paying viewers out of those that don't want to spend 25$ to be able to watch 1/10th of the games and most of the time not the best ones. Yes, sometimes you will guess wrong and highlight a stupid game with two or three matchs 5 minutes long, but it also happens to all the real sports. I would've buy the cheap one if it existed. I'd like to look forward the highlighted match and to be able to watch it in HQ while eating or before sleeping. As of now, GSL present the best production value, players and matches, that's why i buy only their tickets (and HSCIII, it was far too enjoyable to not buy it). Actually, I'd buy MLG's too but it's hard to watch live because I'm in France and LAN events are, for me, more enjoyable live whereas I can watch leagues a few days later without suffering from it. Finals About the finals format : bo3 were not the best choice, everyone agreed with that. I also think double elimination is a bit unfair to players : as someone stated earlier you might be able to squeeze out a win in the first round against MC and have to fight him again in the finals. And double elimination is not the way real sports work, as much as I'd like to be able to watch my favorite player make a comeback, I really do enjoy the tension of the single elimination bracket (GSL for instance). The best format I think, is to have groups the first day (such as Dreamhack, GSL and HSC), and then bo5 (since there are only 16 players). Yes, the group might be a little random, but it's the way it works in nation-wide event in sports. The soccer world cup for instance has qualification over a year or so, and then a group play with 4 teams each where the two best advance. It's the same with variation with handball (group of 6, 3 advances to another group, then the 4best go to semis), basketball, volley, rugby, etc. It prevents people from flying over just to play one match : it's important, players or teams are human being. It also brings more matches to the viewer and creates suspense for the viewer. Finally, pleaaase have a schedule easily readable with different time zones (GMT not just US time zones) and keep it up to date, as much as I was gladly suprised to be able to watch the final match because it was early, if I hadn't tune in earlier to see the third place and let the stream run while I was myself playing, I wouldn't have been able to watch it. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:40 turdburgler wrote: if they have a tight timing for something like a song what do they do if they start late? its completely reasonable to over budget time for an event its just a shame if they dont have a back up plan Yep, I think one of the biggest issues was our lack of a solid backup plan to fill time. But rest assured, we learned all about it at this event We'll have more stuff created for next time in case we need to fill time! | ||
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OCsurfeR
United States195 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:39 bonifaceviii wrote: The five minute song that you scheduled half an hour for, you mean? Yes sir, that's what he means. One of the reasons we decided to move the matches up rather than invent filler content was that we were already aware that the community was already critical of quantity of extra-curricular content we had included already. Another reason is the players were ready and we felt making them wait when they were ready was a disservice to them. Obviously the quality of the matches proved that assumption correct. Yet another reason we decided to move the matches up was so that our EU fans could watch them at a more reasonable time. So, in the end the original schedule for Sunday was clearly unrealistic, so we evolved it on-the-fly to try and create a better viewing experience for everyone.It caused some people who were expecting the matches to air at a specific time to miss them, and we apologize for that. We did our best to alert Fans via Twitter, Facebook and through our correspondents on TL.net, Reddit and WP.org. In the end it was the correct decision that benefited far more fans than it hurt | ||
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Power Overwhelming
46 Posts
Also, you messed up the final schedule, there is no way to spin that. People paid for the event Xeris, at least be dignified enough to admit your mistakes. And, judging by your replies so far, you are not the best person to represent NASL to the audience.Either shape up or find a proper PR person. On a positive not, don`t listen to those Tastosis/Day9 comments. Gretorp and Incontrol were not that bad (they were less than good however), but they need to prepare more to be legit casters if they hope to still be viable next time. There is much room to improve. I hope you do it for season 2. GL | ||
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Gospadin
United States84 Posts
During the regular season, NASL.tv had a link on the front page when matches were live, taking you to the stream. This wasn't present during the finals in any way I could find. That being said, I'll buy another season pass I'm sure. | ||
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Hammurabio
152 Posts
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superjoppe
Sweden3682 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
If I didn't have an iphone with me, I would have missed Game 5 of the finals. It sucks to pay $25, follow the NASL all season and get shafted by rescheduling. | ||
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OCsurfeR
United States195 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:58 Hammurabio wrote: Here's a suggestion for a time-filler. Get Day9 to bring up a replay from the previous match. Have him go over the key points of the match, in a post-game analysis. That's got to be a better use of his talents. While the camera is on Day9, have the next players set up in the booths. Awesome idea Sir. Thank you. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On July 13 2011 01:45 Xeris wrote: Yep, I think one of the biggest issues was our lack of a solid backup plan to fill time. But rest assured, we learned all about it at this event We'll have more stuff created for next time in case we need to fill time!Dont create more stuff, there was already too much stuff T_T.. put your awesome casters on air, get them to interview people, get more games.. not more stuff. | ||
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