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oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
July 10 2011 00:49 GMT
#561
It still blows my mind that they went with BO3 for the RO8 and, for some reason, allocated more time to each match than the day before, to ensure a minimum of 30 minutes dead air between each.
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Bunnypanda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States103 Posts
July 10 2011 00:49 GMT
#562
On July 10 2011 09:44 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 09:37 Dark Stalker wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.

Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.

So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.


This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit.


Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.>

To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.


Bullshit. Most of us paid $25. Did you?

I sincerely doubt that "most" people have paid for the NASL.



So you defend that with a generalization. Good job, the ball is dropped, it rolled away.
I'm going to claim that, "most" people that are mad enough to bitch about it, did pay to see it. People who get something for free are generally not super inclined to be overly upset about it. (see what i did there? i made an assumption like you do)
Jester.1561
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
July 10 2011 00:49 GMT
#563
To be fair to NASL, wasn't everyone extremely critical of an MLG event that went poorly? MLG cleaned up their act and pulled off an extremely great event recently with Columbus, and only improve the more events they throw.

I can only imagine the same with NASL. Yes, maybe this event isn't exactly the best and there are a lot of issues, but things can only get better from here.
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 10 2011 00:49 GMT
#564
On July 10 2011 09:42 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 09:37 Euronyme wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.

Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.

So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.


This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit.


Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.>

To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.


I dunno if you're familiar to the starcraft format, but actually only TWO people are playing at the same time, so you have a day to meet up with whomever you want. You DO NOT need to throw in 2 hour breaks in between every bo3. Also there are only TWO commentators up at the same time, so same thing goes for them.
If I'm gonna watch season 2 it's gonna be on free stream and with ad block, because this is actually terrible..

And don't tell me "if you don't like it don't watch". They've gotten great players there, and I love to see MC play.


[image loading]

Where is there a 2 hour break in between a best of 3?

Edit: Obviously besides the "breaks"


You do realize that the matches don't actually take as long as it says on the schedule? BO3s don't take an hour and a half.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
July 10 2011 00:50 GMT
#565
On July 10 2011 09:48 LordYama wrote:
What is there for people who are present at the actual event to do during the long breaks between matches?

Get autographs from players then sit in chairs.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
July 10 2011 00:50 GMT
#566
On July 10 2011 09:44 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 09:37 Dark Stalker wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.

Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.

So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.


This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit.


Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.>

To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.


Bullshit. Most of us paid $25. Did you?

I sincerely doubt that "most" people have paid for the NASL.



The only reason I didn't purchase the NASL pass origionally was because they didn't accept Paypal.

However, after following it I decided not to purchase it after paypal was avaliable as I already missed half of the season.

This is the first time I've watched NASL in a while, and I can tell you sitting through 2 hours of delays and other problems does not make me want to purchase a Season 2 ticket, at all. I have no problem paying money, I've purchased every single thing that GOMTV has offered. The difference is, they are offering a high quality product and the problems with NASL need to be fixed if they continue to make money off their customers.
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zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 00:53:25
July 10 2011 00:52 GMT
#567
On July 10 2011 09:49 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 09:42 zerglingsfolife wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:37 Euronyme wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.

Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.

So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.


This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit.


Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.>

To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.


I dunno if you're familiar to the starcraft format, but actually only TWO people are playing at the same time, so you have a day to meet up with whomever you want. You DO NOT need to throw in 2 hour breaks in between every bo3. Also there are only TWO commentators up at the same time, so same thing goes for them.
If I'm gonna watch season 2 it's gonna be on free stream and with ad block, because this is actually terrible..

And don't tell me "if you don't like it don't watch". They've gotten great players there, and I love to see MC play.


[image loading]

Where is there a 2 hour break in between a best of 3?

Edit: Obviously besides the "breaks"


You do realize that the matches don't actually take as long as it says on the schedule? BO3s don't take an hour and a half.


You do realize that they have variable time limits and can range from a bo3 being over in 15 minutes to a bo3 being over in 2 hours. Also, add in time for the next people to setup all their equipment and warm up in the booths.
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Dark Stalker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
102 Posts
July 10 2011 00:55 GMT
#568
On July 10 2011 09:49 Jester.1561 wrote:
To be fair to NASL, wasn't everyone extremely critical of an MLG event that went poorly? MLG cleaned up their act and pulled off an extremely great event recently with Columbus, and only improve the more events they throw.

I can only imagine the same with NASL. Yes, maybe this event isn't exactly the best and there are a lot of issues, but things can only get better from here.


But unlike MLG, instead of offering compensation (e.g. free HD to the next event) and fronting up and apologising profusely all we have is Xeris coming in here blaming others and not accepting responsibility for a badly run tournament filled with fuck-ups. All we got is excuses and deliberate ignoring of the complaints.
esperanto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany357 Posts
July 10 2011 00:57 GMT
#569
I think 100k pricepool is too much. Even a gold-medal winner at the olympics doesnt get 50k (in germany only around 20k).
NASL should have put the extra money into the production value. Besides 25$ is overpriced, you can get one month of pay-tv for this.

Just as an example: Usain Bolt got for his 100m gold medal at the World Championships in Athletics in 2009 only 50.000$.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
July 10 2011 01:02 GMT
#570
On July 10 2011 09:49 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 09:42 zerglingsfolife wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:37 Euronyme wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:
On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.

Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.

So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.


This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit.


Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.>

To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.


I dunno if you're familiar to the starcraft format, but actually only TWO people are playing at the same time, so you have a day to meet up with whomever you want. You DO NOT need to throw in 2 hour breaks in between every bo3. Also there are only TWO commentators up at the same time, so same thing goes for them.
If I'm gonna watch season 2 it's gonna be on free stream and with ad block, because this is actually terrible..

And don't tell me "if you don't like it don't watch". They've gotten great players there, and I love to see MC play.


[image loading]

Where is there a 2 hour break in between a best of 3?

Edit: Obviously besides the "breaks"


You do realize that the matches don't actually take as long as it says on the schedule? BO3s don't take an hour and a half.

Hell they don't even take the hour that they scheduled the day before. Why is there suddenly more time for a BO3 when they didn't add any content? Pure stupidity.

I am pissed about a few things. Technical issues happen and I can forgive them. Especially when it's your first time. But there are tons of things that are unforgivable.

1) Format: BO3s is just plain stupid. I got to see some of my favourite players play on 2 awful maps and now never again.
2) Map choices: Are you serious? The same maps for each series. How is loser's pick not the best way to go?
3) Downtime: WTF? Why am I waiting an hour in between matches? Why am I waiting more today than I was yesterday?

I have to say, the most disappointing thing about this entire thing is how defensive Xeris is being. Instead of taking the constructive criticism from people in this thread, he acts all defensive and pretends everything was out of his/NASLs control. Look at the difference between you and MLG Sundance. MLG Dallas was a colossal fuckup compared to this. Almost everything failed for them. And what did Sundance do? He came out and apologized. He read forum posts/twitter/facebook everything and responded with a simple: sorry we will do better, here's your money back. He didn't come out and say: excuse 1, excuse 2, excuse 3 etc. etc. etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't want my money back (you guys clearly need it). I want you to acknowledge your faults, stop acting so defensive and tell me what you plan to fix next time. Basically, I want to be treated with respect.

I've been like the biggest supporter of NASL all season long. I've constantly reminded people that it's their first tournament, GSL was a screwup at first too, everyone has problems etc. But you're making it so difficult for me to keep a positive attitude.

And now I have given up on this. I was looking forward to staying in tonight and just relaxing while watching this. But I'm going to go get hammered instead.
Blackmamba851
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland52 Posts
July 10 2011 01:05 GMT
#571
God damn the people in the chat are annoying <_<
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 01:07:29
July 10 2011 01:06 GMT
#572
July vs MC GSL revenge match? Who cares about production at that point...

On July 10 2011 09:57 esperanto wrote:
I think 100k pricepool is too much. Even a gold-medal winner at the olympics doesnt get 50k (in germany only around 20k).
NASL should have put the extra money into the production value. Besides 25$ is overpriced, you can get one month of pay-tv for this.

Just as an example: Usain Bolt got for his 100m gold medal at the World Championships in Athletics in 2009 only 50.000$.


You don't get endorsements though. Why do people talk if they don't know what they are talking about?
Akta
Profile Joined February 2011
447 Posts
July 10 2011 01:07 GMT
#573
When I watched the first NASL broadcast I kept thinking that they seemed to lack a person with experience from for example tv production. Can't help to think same thing now watching the grand finals, doesn't seem like there's an experienced producer or whatever running the broadcast.

Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
July 10 2011 01:20 GMT
#574
I don't understand... You guys complain about EVERYTHING. You were crying about health bars even though not even the GSL has health bars and now NASL has health bars on during battles.

You cried about sound but even really big events like the Superbowl have some sound problems.

You cried about BO3 even though GSL has BO3s.

Downtime.. Are you kidding me? NASL doesn't need downtime, they don't have to refil their tanks with gas or something. It's the players that need breaks.
CluEleSs_UK
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom583 Posts
July 10 2011 01:31 GMT
#575
IMO, day 1 was horrendous, but day 2 has gotten A LOT better. At least they've learned something.
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ScrubS
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands436 Posts
July 10 2011 01:31 GMT
#576
On July 10 2011 10:20 Kluey wrote:
I don't understand... You guys complain about EVERYTHING. You were crying about health bars even though not even the GSL has health bars and now NASL has health bars on during battles.

You cried about sound but even really big events like the Superbowl have some sound problems.

You cried about BO3 even though GSL has BO3s.

Downtime.. Are you kidding me? NASL doesn't need downtime, they don't have to refil their tanks with gas or something. It's the players that need breaks.


Ofcourse most of the stuff is just QQ. But it isn't that hard to just play all the matches in a row. That is the main problem. The players dont need breaks, nor need the casters because they are rotated and the players only need to play 2 series max. A break wouldn't be a problem, but we dont need 1 hour breaks after every game
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
July 10 2011 01:31 GMT
#577
i love tastosis.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 10 2011 01:40 GMT
#578
NASL,

Why did you use a version of Terminus RE not used by the GSL? Please elaborate on why you decided to use a non-standard version of a map.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 10 2011 01:47 GMT
#579
Holy crap, Artosis fucking called it 3 years ago!
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 10 2011 01:50 GMT
#580
"Oh god, I'm just going to sound stupid on Team Liquid right now..."
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