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On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit.
Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.>
To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.
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On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.
Nope. You're being too forgiving.
And your ignorance shows by claiming we get to watch it for free.
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On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.
You are ignoring the people who paid money for the home HD passes, NASL can't just shaft them because they are at home, they paid money too.
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if it follow the same patterns, its going to be tastosis for the semifinals, and then incontrol /gretorp for the finals rofl
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On July 10 2011 09:30 SovSov wrote:
Nope. You're being too forgiving.
"God, I can't believe NASL has to be a day long event. Who cares about the live audience there? Fuck them. If they're going to pay to be there, and I'm just going to be sitting at home watching on a free stream, they shouldn't be allowed to take up time by interacting with the players and casters. It's not like Western E-Sports fans interacting with Korean star players is really important or anything like that. This is a conspiracy. I want the money that I didn't spend to enjoy the games back!"
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On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.
I dunno if you're familiar to the starcraft format, but actually only TWO people are playing at the same time, so you have a day to meet up with whomever you want. You DO NOT need to throw in 2 hour breaks in between every bo3. Also there are only TWO commentators up at the same time, so same thing goes for them.
If I'm gonna watch season 2 it's gonna be on free stream and with ad block, because this is actually terrible..
And don't tell me "if you don't like it don't watch". They've gotten great players there, and I love to see MC play.
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On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain.
Bullshit. Most of us paid $25. Did you?
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On July 10 2011 09:34 Gamegene wrote:"God, I can't believe NASL has to be a day long event. Who cares about the live audience there? Fuck them. If they're going to pay to be there, and I'm just going to be sitting at home watching on a free stream, they shouldn't be allowed to take up time by interacting with the players and casters. It's not like Western E-Sports fans interacting with Korean star players is really important or anything like that. This is a conspiracy. I want the money that I didn't spend to enjoy the games back!"
No, I want the money that I did spend back. God I hate people like you to presume that we haven't paid to watch it and defend the shit out of a shitty product.
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On July 10 2011 09:34 Gamegene wrote:"God, I can't believe NASL has to be a day long event. Who cares about the live audience there? Fuck them. If they're going to pay to be there, and I'm just going to be sitting at home watching on a free stream, they shouldn't be allowed to take up time by interacting with the players and casters. It's not like Western E-Sports fans interacting with Korean star players is really important or anything like that. This is a conspiracy. I want the money that I didn't spend to enjoy the games back!"
Actually i would have believed that if they said it in the very beginning.
The thing that annoys me the most (besides the glaring sound issues that broke my ears) is the fact there is no communication with the viewers.
Oh and a couple messages from Xerris already destroyed that reasoning btw.
And if you are not going to give info at least plan some stuff to keep people entertained.
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On July 10 2011 09:34 Gamegene wrote:"God, I can't believe NASL has to be a day long event. Who cares about the live audience there? Fuck them. If they're going to pay to be there, and I'm just going to be sitting at home watching on a free stream, they shouldn't be allowed to take up time by interacting with the players and casters. It's not like Western E-Sports fans interacting with Korean star players is really important or anything like that. This is a conspiracy. I want the money that I didn't spend to enjoy the games back!"
You still think we're watching it for free, cute. Who do you think NASL is making more money off of? The people who paid for tickets or the 30,000+ people watching commericals or paid for HD passes?
People like you defending NASL are the reason organizations abuse viewers. You will gladly eat your bowl of steaming shit then ask for another with a smile on your face.
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On July 10 2011 09:37 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain. I dunno if you're familiar to the starcraft format, but actually only TWO people are playing at the same time, so you have a day to meet up with whomever you want. You DO NOT need to throw in 2 hour breaks in between every bo3. Also there are only TWO commentators up at the same time, so same thing goes for them. If I'm gonna watch season 2 it's gonna be on free stream and with ad block, because this is actually terrible.. And don't tell me "if you don't like it don't watch". They've gotten great players there, and I love to see MC play.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1l6MP.png)
Where is there a 2 hour break in between a best of 3?
Edit: Obviously besides the "breaks"
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Less breaks more StarCraft please NASL.
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On July 10 2011 09:37 Dark Stalker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain. Bullshit. Most of us paid $25. Did you?
I sincerely doubt that "most" people have paid for the NASL.
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On July 10 2011 09:40 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:34 Gamegene wrote:On July 10 2011 09:30 SovSov wrote:
Nope. You're being too forgiving. "God, I can't believe NASL has to be a day long event. Who cares about the live audience there? Fuck them. If they're going to pay to be there, and I'm just going to be sitting at home watching on a free stream, they shouldn't be allowed to take up time by interacting with the players and casters. It's not like Western E-Sports fans interacting with Korean star players is really important or anything like that. This is a conspiracy. I want the money that I didn't spend to enjoy the games back!" Actually i would have believed that if they said it in the very beginning. The thing that annoys me the most (besides the glaring sound issues that broke my ears) is the fact there is no communication with the viewers. Oh and a couple messages from Xerris already destroyed that reasoning btw. And if you are not going to give info at least plan some stuff to keep people entertained.
InControl hyped up the expectations of the NASL and as a result many of us paid $25 in good faith to support the tournament before we even knew what quality we were going to get (e.g. no warnings were given about how nepotism would play such a large part in its running rather than having professionals). This is a significant sum much larger than what the GSL charged yet Xeris has the gall to come and blame resources for the shit product.
It's pretty much like a blue chip company telling you to invest in them without giving any guarantees, misrepresenting the assets and leading them on, then when millions of mum and dad investors lose their savings they don't even bother apologising or admitting any fault.
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On July 10 2011 09:44 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:37 Dark Stalker wrote:On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain. Bullshit. Most of us paid $25. Did you? I sincerely doubt that "most" people have paid for the NASL.
I did and I have a legitimate right to complain. Those defending the NASL, such as yourself, are likely to be the ones who weren't ripped off.
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On July 10 2011 09:42 zerglingsfolife wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:37 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 09:29 Gamegene wrote:On July 10 2011 09:25 SovSov wrote:
God NASL is so greedy.
Day long event so that they can spam commericals and milk as much money out of it as possible.
So not only are they the worst tournament so far, but they are making the most money out of it too.
This is literally the beginning of viewership abuse in SC2. Minimum quality in the tournament for maximum profit. Don't you think you're over exaggerating, just a little bit? >.> To be fair to NASL, they are giving the audience a chance to meet with players and casters. You know, the people who actually paid money to be there and not just watch the entire event for free. The people who have a legitimate right to complain. I dunno if you're familiar to the starcraft format, but actually only TWO people are playing at the same time, so you have a day to meet up with whomever you want. You DO NOT need to throw in 2 hour breaks in between every bo3. Also there are only TWO commentators up at the same time, so same thing goes for them. If I'm gonna watch season 2 it's gonna be on free stream and with ad block, because this is actually terrible.. And don't tell me "if you don't like it don't watch". They've gotten great players there, and I love to see MC play. Where is there a 2 hour break in between a best of 3? Edit: Obviously besides the "breaks"
Right now -.-'
appearantly it takes 1 hour 30 minutes to do a best of three, and then they need an hour break after the initial 50 minutes as the bo3 only took like 40 minutes.
Great times.
Try watching a dreamhack and there's always content available.
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Here's a random idea for the downtime -- have the players available in an area with working comps playing TL-attack style games with random spectators for fun. You can bring a "spy cam" over there for the stream too. Give the players something to do and pay them a promotion fee to make it worth the trip for the players who came half-way across the world to attend (but happened to lose in the first round).
As I said earlier, the small number of very important games is ok. You just need to play to stay entertaining (both stream and live) during the inevitable downtime.
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What is there for people who are present at the actual event to do during the long breaks between matches?
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On July 10 2011 09:46 Dark Stalker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:40 Assirra wrote:On July 10 2011 09:34 Gamegene wrote:On July 10 2011 09:30 SovSov wrote:
Nope. You're being too forgiving. "God, I can't believe NASL has to be a day long event. Who cares about the live audience there? Fuck them. If they're going to pay to be there, and I'm just going to be sitting at home watching on a free stream, they shouldn't be allowed to take up time by interacting with the players and casters. It's not like Western E-Sports fans interacting with Korean star players is really important or anything like that. This is a conspiracy. I want the money that I didn't spend to enjoy the games back!" Actually i would have believed that if they said it in the very beginning. The thing that annoys me the most (besides the glaring sound issues that broke my ears) is the fact there is no communication with the viewers. Oh and a couple messages from Xerris already destroyed that reasoning btw. And if you are not going to give info at least plan some stuff to keep people entertained. InControl hyped up the expectations of the NASL and as a result many of us paid $25 in good faith to support the tournament before we even knew what quality we were going to get (e.g. no warnings were given about how nepotism would play such a large part in its running rather than having professionals). This is a significant sum much larger than what the GSL charged yet Xeris has the gall to come and blame resources for the shit product. It's pretty much like a blue chip company telling you to invest in them without giving any guarantees, misrepresenting the assets and leading them on, then when millions of mum and dad investors lose their savings they don't even bother apologising or admitting any fault.
Before the season started it was on sale for $20.
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On July 10 2011 09:41 SovSov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 09:34 Gamegene wrote:On July 10 2011 09:30 SovSov wrote:
Nope. You're being too forgiving. "God, I can't believe NASL has to be a day long event. Who cares about the live audience there? Fuck them. If they're going to pay to be there, and I'm just going to be sitting at home watching on a free stream, they shouldn't be allowed to take up time by interacting with the players and casters. It's not like Western E-Sports fans interacting with Korean star players is really important or anything like that. This is a conspiracy. I want the money that I didn't spend to enjoy the games back!" You still think we're watching it for free, cute. Who do you think NASL is making more money off of? The people who paid for tickets or the 30,000+ people watching commericals or paid for HD passes? People like you defending NASL are the reason organizations abuse viewers. You will gladly eat your bowl of steaming shit then ask for another with a smile on your face.
hold up... just say they are greedy and milking you... they still put the scheudle of games times, you can still walk away do your thing and come back... I don't understand the hate...
considering hd passs, adblock and not every veiwer getting a commerical they are prob making $100-200 per commercial, which is decent, so with a thousand or 2 they might even almost make the expensies.... which is good becuase I'm not seeing a real major sponser... if idl'n in their channel gives nasl a buck or two, I'm for it, didn't cost me but for my power bill
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