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This event is really painful to watch - if I hadn't already committed $25, I wouldn't be watching. Everything they're doing just feels so incredibly bush league - worse than a high school level production.
The sound guy is terrible with jittery fingers on the sliders. Leaving the caster mics on during the interviews. There were sound issues all season long, and it's translated into this event.
The camera guy seems to have a screw loose on his tripod and can't seem to keep the camera stable.
The lighting on the casters and interviews is awful. It's creating really bad shadow effects (even after the improvements for day 2). They need to at least talk to a professional about how to set these things up.
The interview (and selection of interviewers) seem to be more focused on there being a pretty face than someone familiar with the scene - "How many NASL events have you been to?" "Hasuorbs" Really? I mean surely the NASL people realize that if we wanted to look at a pretty girl, we'd just open a second tab in our browser - we are not so juvenile that the eye candy is why we watch these events.
If you're going to bring in big name community people like Day9, Tastosis, etc. create a production that doesn't embarrass them. You guys are spending your money in all the wrong places. I mean take $10k out of the prize pool or the $2k that you probably spent to fly in Tastosis and put it toward hiring production people that know what they're doing. As much as I love Tastosis, it pains me to watch them participating in this train wreck.
As it is, I highly doubt that the NASL is going to be sustainable. The community is extremely patient and very forgiving (see the MLG Columbus reaction after MLG Dallas failures), but they can only put up with so much. I, for one, have no intention of throwing away my money for season 2 like I foolishly did for season 1. And unless the NASL decides to actually do something about its unprofessional aspects, others are going to follow suit. I mean I want e-sports to grow and become a cool thing, but the NASL has made it abundantly clear that it is not the one to do it.
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The worst part is for the amount of time they pulled out for these games and the amount of casters they have there they could've easily made EVERY game a bo7 with 5 minute breaks and casters switching when they get tired. Having it be bo3 is just all around dissapointing, even more so with the ridiculous wait times.
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On July 10 2011 06:58 Pyo wrote:
This event is really painful to watch - if I hadn't already committed $25, I wouldn't be watching. Everything they're doing just feels so incredibly bush league - worse than a high school level production.
The sound guy is terrible with jittery fingers on the sliders. Leaving the caster mics on during the interviews. There were sound issues all season long, and it's translated into this event.
The camera guy seems to have a screw loose on his tripod and can't seem to keep the camera stable.
The lighting on the casters and interviews is awful. It's creating really bad shadow effects (even after the improvements for day 2). They need to at least talk to a professional about how to set these things up.
The interview (and selection of interviewers) seem to be more focused on there being a pretty face than someone familiar with the scene - "Is this your first NASL event?" Really? I mean surely the NASL people realize that if we wanted to look at a pretty girl, we'd just open a second tab in our browser - we are not so juvenile that the eye candy is why we watch these events.
If you're going to bring in big name community people like Day9, Tastosis, etc. create a production that doesn't embarrass them. You guys are spending your money in all the wrong places. I mean take $10k out of the prize pool or the $2k that you probably spent to fly in Tastosis and put it toward hiring production people that know what they're doing. As much as I love Tastosis, it pains me to watch them participating in this train wreck.
As it is, I highly doubt that the NASL is going to be sustainable. The community is extremely patient and very forgiving (see the MLG Columbus reaction after MLG Dallas failures), but they can only put up with so much. I, for one, have no intention of throwing away my money for season 2 like I foolishly did for season 1. And unless the NASL decides to actually do something about its unprofessional aspects, others are going to follow suit. I mean I want e-sports to grow and become a cool thing, but the NASL has made it abundantly clear that it is not the one to do it.
Constant commercials + sponsorship + people buying HD passes, ie 25$ a pop, I think they hit even a long time ago. Long term sustainability will depend if they can provide BETTER production & games.
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On July 10 2011 06:57 Websblob wrote:
Stop with the long breaks my god. It's sad how it takes 12 hours to get through 8 best of 3's.
GSL gets through 4 best of 3's in 1/3 of that time.
The GSL has 4 booths which eliminates the need for player set up time.
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The GSL has 4 booths which eliminates the need for player set up time.
Player setup time isn't 60 minutes, the reason it's so long is that they want to keep to their schedule, which is one bo3 every 1:30, which is kinda ridiculous
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On July 10 2011 06:32 Eleaven wrote:I think the new male translator is really good. He knows how to use a microphone, speaks clearly into it, and waits untill the player is finished to start talking. He's done a great job!
In terms of clarity to the audience, yeah he's great.
In terms of accuracy he's awful... in fact some of the awkwardness was generated by him (but I guess that added to the charm).
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On July 10 2011 07:03 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:Player setup time isn't 60 minutes, the reason it's so long is that they want to keep to their schedule, which is one bo3 every 1:30, which is kinda ridiculous
Indeed, Goody isn't here so no need for such a long time 
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Even if you ignore all the issues with the production, the tournament still doesn't live up to mlg/gsl/dreamhack. With only 16 players, it's ridiculous to have single elimination best of threes determine the 100,000 prize pool.
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Seeing as this is their first try I can forgive a lot of things. But there are two things which are just to obvious to let go:
breaks are way to long.
single elimination Bo3 is very very unforgiving for all the players that traveled really far.
Maybe I'm just bitter because Ret lost in ~12 min 
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On July 10 2011 07:01 Greatness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:58 Pyo wrote:
This event is really painful to watch - if I hadn't already committed $25, I wouldn't be watching. Everything they're doing just feels so incredibly bush league - worse than a high school level production.
The sound guy is terrible with jittery fingers on the sliders. Leaving the caster mics on during the interviews. There were sound issues all season long, and it's translated into this event.
The camera guy seems to have a screw loose on his tripod and can't seem to keep the camera stable.
The lighting on the casters and interviews is awful. It's creating really bad shadow effects (even after the improvements for day 2). They need to at least talk to a professional about how to set these things up.
The interview (and selection of interviewers) seem to be more focused on there being a pretty face than someone familiar with the scene - "Is this your first NASL event?" Really? I mean surely the NASL people realize that if we wanted to look at a pretty girl, we'd just open a second tab in our browser - we are not so juvenile that the eye candy is why we watch these events.
If you're going to bring in big name community people like Day9, Tastosis, etc. create a production that doesn't embarrass them. You guys are spending your money in all the wrong places. I mean take $10k out of the prize pool or the $2k that you probably spent to fly in Tastosis and put it toward hiring production people that know what they're doing. As much as I love Tastosis, it pains me to watch them participating in this train wreck.
As it is, I highly doubt that the NASL is going to be sustainable. The community is extremely patient and very forgiving (see the MLG Columbus reaction after MLG Dallas failures), but they can only put up with so much. I, for one, have no intention of throwing away my money for season 2 like I foolishly did for season 1. And unless the NASL decides to actually do something about its unprofessional aspects, others are going to follow suit. I mean I want e-sports to grow and become a cool thing, but the NASL has made it abundantly clear that it is not the one to do it. Constant commercials + sponsorship + people buying HD passes, ie 25$ a pop, I think they hit even a long time ago. Long term sustainability will depend if they can provide BETTER production & games.
I'm sure they broke even - I mean they have 50k viewers. But if I hadn't already paid before I knew any better, I most certainly wouldn't be one of them. It just saddens me that this where all the money is so players feel obligated to participate in it.
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On July 10 2011 07:03 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:32 Eleaven wrote:On July 10 2011 06:27 Kipsate wrote:
They replaced korean translator QT :<. I think the new male translator is really good. He knows how to use a microphone, speaks clearly into it, and waits untill the player is finished to start talking. He's done a great job! In terms of clarity to the audience, yeah he's great. In terms of accuracy he's awful... in fact some of the awkwardness was generated by him (but I guess that added to the charm).
They should have hired you! You were awesome at MLG!
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On July 10 2011 06:14 Butigroove wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 10 2011 06:06 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:00 Butigroove wrote:On July 10 2011 04:35 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2011 04:30 Butigroove wrote:Anyone calling Xeris an amateur at hosting tournaments clearly has no fucking clue what has gone on in the NA scene for the past 13 years. Somtimes It makes me rage too much to read TL, nowadays. Actually, enlighten me ... what tournaments has Xeris hosted over the past 13 years? Because not all experience is created equal, to be honest. Running a tournament is a lot different from running a stage show. # WCG Canada Finals 2007 - Head Starcraft Admin # Organized SoCal LAN 1-4 # Organized Can LAN 2008 # The Team Tournament - Head Admin # Yankee League - Creator # WGT CW Tournament 2006 & 2007 & 2008 & 2009 # War of the States # WGT Titans League # UC Pro League # For the Love of the Game Tournament # The Nostalgia Tournament # CSL - Co-Head Admin # SC For Life LAN # Global Gamers Invitational # Tour of Duty # Root WARZONE That's from his profile, and I'm sure that isn't even close to everything he's run. The Gosucoaching tournaments aren't on there, for one. I mean the dude has organized 10+ LAN events, Co-founded the CSL, and was an admin on one of the oldest and longest running non-Korean leagues there was. Do you need more credentials? The dude is an admin-ing BOSS. Also, I heard he has a 14" penis. I have no doubt that Xeris could organize players and run solid tournament. But stage managing and producing an event of this size with this much production? That's a whole other job ON TOP of organizing a tournament. It's too bad they only have one person to stage manage and produce this event, I guess. I don't claim to know what exactly Xeris' job is exactly, but I know that there is almost no one more qualified than him in the Starcraft community to do it.
I can't help but think there are far more qualified people based on organization of recent tournaments.
There are many flaws on production on live event that have been pointed out before. Those are easy to fix. Change sound and film crew, piece of cake. Sometimes projectors break and there is a delay, that is fine in my book.
But the greatest problems are the things that were planned before - poorly. Those are tournament organization problems.
There were many of such mistakes during the regular season as well (spoiled to avoid dragging a discussion) + Show Spoiler + IMO, they start with the NASL invite criteria (there isn't one), groups being handpicked by somenone who manages a team with participating players, poor comunication with players (no one went after DIMAGA; white-ra, MC and nani got walk-overs for easily fixable issues), walk-over rule changing during the tournament, poor playoff system (the #1 overal ranked, Ret, played against a potentially scary opponent from the open tournament, which was pointed out as a problem by several people beforehand).
For the live event, it was painfully obvious that the intros were excessive long. They went ahead and repeated them for the second day. It would be simple to cut all that down time and plan a bo5 there. The boX system with fixed maps are a mistake, another obvious one (it is worse for players, that can get bad luck on maps, and for viewers, who see the same maps in the same sequence over and over). Tastosis didn't even cast a game so far - why so many casters if they are not doing anything? Not even doing the interviews - instead, there was all that awkardness we saw. After a two-hour delay, they go ahead and maintain the scheduled one-hour break.
The overall result, as someone said, is that there will be 3 days of casting and about 5 hours of actual content. You can't blame tecnhical difficulties for that, but the tournament organization. They definetely could have more quality air time (games, better interviews) with better planning.
And as a side note, justin.tv never delivers for me (I was lagging in all resolutions). If they are serious about selling HD tickets they should think about a different streaming option, as I hear other people complaining too. I complained by e-mail during the season, never got a response.
I hope they learn the lesson or NASL will fade away between the better organized tournaments that are around.
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where can i sign up to be a sporre crawler?
oh and on topic, ive payed the 25$ too.
didnt watch a single game tho since the vods are only on justin.tv and i cant watch them.
my internet connection apparantly is too bad.
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Wow what a great interview we had right there it went by so fast i didn't even notice it!
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I cringe and turn off the stream every time I catch hint of an interview incoming. Please get people who know what they're talking about/asking..
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LOl they cut to a commercial during the brian interview..
such... horrible... production...
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Looks really exciting so far!
Also; That girl is stupidly beautiful.
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On July 10 2011 07:01 Vec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:57 Websblob wrote:
Stop with the long breaks my god. It's sad how it takes 12 hours to get through 8 best of 3's.
GSL gets through 4 best of 3's in 1/3 of that time.
The GSL has 4 booths which eliminates the need for player set up time.
Not during GSTL and while it may take some time its never THIS long.
Longest was 15min or so if i remember and that was with losira's specific mouse driver.
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Invite the best casters in the world. Make them sit around and do nothing. Hire vapid model who has no clue what shes talking about conduct interviews with the most awkward of awkward people on the planet. Profit?
So many things are terrible about this grand final, but this really makes me wonder if the organizers of NASL really know what the sc2 community wants. Sure we all like eye-candy, but not in this manner. Day9 in a speedo would be a more appreciated eye-candy in this setting.
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