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On July 10 2011 06:00 Butigroove wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 04:35 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2011 04:30 Butigroove wrote:Anyone calling Xeris an amateur at hosting tournaments clearly has no fucking clue what has gone on in the NA scene for the past 13 years. Somtimes It makes me rage too much to read TL, nowadays.  Actually, enlighten me ... what tournaments has Xeris hosted over the past 13 years? Because not all experience is created equal, to be honest. Running a tournament is a lot different from running a stage show. # WCG Canada Finals 2007 - Head Starcraft Admin # Organized SoCal LAN 1-4 # Organized Can LAN 2008 # The Team Tournament - Head Admin # Yankee League - Creator # WGT CW Tournament 2006 & 2007 & 2008 & 2009 # War of the States # WGT Titans League # UC Pro League # For the Love of the Game Tournament # The Nostalgia Tournament # CSL - Co-Head Admin # SC For Life LAN # Global Gamers Invitational # Tour of Duty # Root WARZONE That's from his profile, and I'm sure that isn't even close to everything he's run. The Gosucoaching tournaments aren't on there, for one. I mean the dude has organized 10+ LAN events, Co-founded the CSL, and was an admin on one of the oldest and longest running non-Korean leagues there was. Do you need more credentials? The dude is an admin-ing BOSS. Also, I heard he has a 14" penis.
I have no doubt that Xeris could organize players and run solid tournament. But stage managing and producing an event of this size with this much production? That's a whole other job ON TOP of organizing a tournament.
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On July 10 2011 06:02 Defacer wrote:
I wouldn't call it 'garbage', that's too harsh. But with better management they could be getting more value out of their money, that's for sure.
They needed to consult players and casters who know what professional LAN's look like.
"Is this a good idea? Should we do this? What are some issues that have occurred to past tournaments?"
Or watch old Korean BW leagues for a model.
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On July 10 2011 06:04 h41fgod wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 05:48 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2011 05:46 Gamegene wrote:
"Do you play chess?"
"No, not really."
"Well yeah I play chess and I can see how..."
Oh god. Someone just kill me. I feel so bad for this girl. Why would they put her in this situation? She is a model. This is what she was "made" for? Besides. She probably heard of Starcraft last week and only had a couple of hours of introduction to it with Anna. All things considered she is doing a decent job in a very foreign environment. It would be a ton better to send out a caster/pro with a mic and troll around though. Imagine MC interviewing people. Now that would be quality entertainment. Overall, good job complaining. Only thing missed is the quality of the cameras... Im only watching in 360, but it feels like the cameras are not up to the task. Improve everything. Safest bet. Only the casters and the players are up to par at the moment to be brutally honest.
she didnt know who anna was.
anna kinda pulled rank on her "no i do intervuiews on main stage"
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The highlight videos are way too long. You are not going to bring ANYONE new into watching starcraft with all the fluff
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On July 10 2011 06:04 Gurblechev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 05:48 shizna wrote:
i don't know what the production costs were like compared to the other big tournament/events, but it seems very cheap.
pretty blond random interviews with nerds... mmmh... she should have some kind of uniform to wear to make her stand out more - and let people know that she's with NASL doing LIVE STREAMING... lol
i like the 'get to know the crowd' thing, but she seems to be catching everyone by suprise... is it a hidden camera show or what?
she obviously doesn't know a lot about starcraft, and doesn't have much experience at that role... give her a break. Cheap? Look at all the equipment they rented, look at the prize pool, look at the venue. It is very well funded. The problem is nepotism. Rather than hire experienced people they hired people they are friends with. Fire everyone and hire people based on merits and all problems would disappear immediately.
Or get brains. Because you don't have to be qualified to know that their map pool system is horrible for example.
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The ZvG thing was absolutely hilarious. It just remains the "what race do you play?" question since she clearly doesn't know anything about the game... it's kinda cuta 
On July 10 2011 06:02 Xova wrote:
So I missed the whole excellent thing....anyone wanna update me?
"what's your favorite matchup?"
"ZvP"
"excellent!"
? How can you find that answer excellent? There were a lot more like that.
"where are you from?"
"some city in the US"
"excellent!"
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The HasuOrbs thing was also funny yesterday. Still it a bit of a "boobs over knowledge"-thing..
The production isn't completely professional (especially the lack of a sound supervisor, is anyone there even checking the stream?), but I support them!
Sen vs Darkforce coming up
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On July 10 2011 06:09 Eleaven wrote:
she didnt know who anna was.
anna kinda pulled rank on her "no i do intervuiews on main stage"
LOL!
Looking forward to Anna asking questions.
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It is well funded but sadly it is one of those events that does not "Hire" skilled people across the board. It is friends of famous friends and their friends...which is what we see in over quality. You can throw all money you want at something and it will still fail if you don't hire quality people. You can not JUST put big named players and have one GREAT organizer and some HUGE name commentators and think it will a success.
1. They have had HORRIBLE audio issues almost every night
2. They claim they did 20+ hours of testing and yet still couldn't get things right
3. They never offered "Weekend Finals Pass" to allow people to enjoy HQ finals
4. Point 4 is obviously they have next to nothing to show off with all issues
That being said the players are making the games quality tournament like you would see in GSL / MLG ect. They have solid commentators so I have zero issue with that outside I still think a few of less experienced ones are only there cause they are again "Friends of Friends" If all NASL cares about is having enough viewership to gain sponsors and not care about people watching the stream they will do fine. They will never compete with MLG or GSL or any other top end league because while those companies are also businesses they have proven to learn from their mistakes and FIX problems in timly manner. They have gone above and beyond to address the community and the people who PAY to keep them afloat and fix problems as need be.
Hire quailty people who KNOW how to do their job and stop hiring bunch of your famous friends who have a big name but do not even compete with people who are skillful in the same area of work.
Stop ignoring fact you have issues all season and step up and FIX the issues and prove you care about Starcraft Esports and the community and not just keep looking ignorant in eyes of the community watching you make mistake after mistake after mistake with no resolution.
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It is very well funded. The problem is nepotism.
This explains so much, I hadn't really thought of it like that, but it seems to really be the case here, I'm constantly watching the NASL thinking "this is so amateuristic, I thought it was so well funded", seriously, get some real great people working there.
So I missed the whole excellent thing....anyone wanna update me?
Basically Mr Burns was interviewing people in a disguise
"I'm actually pretty bad at Starcraft"
"Excellent"
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On July 10 2011 06:06 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:00 Butigroove wrote:On July 10 2011 04:35 Defacer wrote:On July 10 2011 04:30 Butigroove wrote:Anyone calling Xeris an amateur at hosting tournaments clearly has no fucking clue what has gone on in the NA scene for the past 13 years. Somtimes It makes me rage too much to read TL, nowadays. Actually, enlighten me ... what tournaments has Xeris hosted over the past 13 years? Because not all experience is created equal, to be honest. Running a tournament is a lot different from running a stage show. # WCG Canada Finals 2007 - Head Starcraft Admin # Organized SoCal LAN 1-4 # Organized Can LAN 2008 # The Team Tournament - Head Admin # Yankee League - Creator # WGT CW Tournament 2006 & 2007 & 2008 & 2009 # War of the States # WGT Titans League # UC Pro League # For the Love of the Game Tournament # The Nostalgia Tournament # CSL - Co-Head Admin # SC For Life LAN # Global Gamers Invitational # Tour of Duty # Root WARZONE That's from his profile, and I'm sure that isn't even close to everything he's run. The Gosucoaching tournaments aren't on there, for one. I mean the dude has organized 10+ LAN events, Co-founded the CSL, and was an admin on one of the oldest and longest running non-Korean leagues there was. Do you need more credentials? The dude is an admin-ing BOSS. Also, I heard he has a 14" penis. I have no doubt that Xeris could organize players and run solid tournament. But stage managing and producing an event of this size with this much production? That's a whole other job ON TOP of organizing a tournament.
It's too bad they only have one person to stage manage and produce this event, I guess.
I don't claim to know what exactly Xeris' job is exactly, but I know that there is almost no one more qualified than him in the Starcraft community to do it.
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I honestly thought day 2 was starting to be an improvement, sound is better, things started on time. It's still wayyyyy to long between matches, but its a little late to change all that. Everything was going good until "How many NASLs have you been to so far?".
I have lost all faith now.
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On July 10 2011 06:16 Jerb wrote:
I honestly thought day 2 was starting to be an improvement, sound is better, things started on time. It's still wayyyyy to long between matches, but its a little late to change all that. Everything was going good until "How many NASLs have you been to so far?".
I have lost all faith now.
Completely agree.
I'm the fool for showing the NASL to some non starcraft friends, they saw 1 game, then the interviews, which they even knew were terrible, after 10 mins my friends already knew that zvg wasnt an mu.. and they turned it off and said "dunno how you watch this shit"
I loved the games, the casters are doing a good job. but this is the antithesis of a godo event.
5 hours of content over 3 full days of screen time
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On July 10 2011 06:16 Jerb wrote:
I honestly thought day 2 was starting to be an improvement, sound is better, things started on time. It's still wayyyyy to long between matches, but its a little late to change all that. Everything was going good until "How many NASLs have you been to so far?".
I have lost all faith now.
AskJoshy JoshSuth
We trolled @coLdrewbie a bit. The girl is named Lindsey and you'll be seeing a lot of her for #NASL stuff. (former pageant contestant)
26 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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AAAAA.... DarkForcE threw away that +1 timing advantage.
No carapace, no immediate attack, Sen holds and has an army advantage.
>.<
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On July 10 2011 06:21 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 06:16 Jerb wrote:
I honestly thought day 2 was starting to be an improvement, sound is better, things started on time. It's still wayyyyy to long between matches, but its a little late to change all that. Everything was going good until "How many NASLs have you been to so far?".
I have lost all faith now. AskJoshy JoshSuth We trolled @coLdrewbie a bit. The girl is named Lindsey and you'll be seeing a lot of her for #NASL stuff. (former pageant contestant) 26 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
nah nasl isnt going to get away with
"lol we were only trolling"
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its really delighting how well gretorp casts with day9. so much better.
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They replaced korean translator QT :<.
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On July 10 2011 06:27 Kipsate wrote:
They replaced korean translator QT :<.
I think the new male translator is really good. He knows how to use a microphone, speaks clearly into it, and waits untill the player is finished to start talking.
He's done a great job!
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I started a blog a couple days ago just in hopes of landing a producing job with an esports event, but it's related primarily to production and what I, as an aspiring producer, look for in Starcraft 2 esports events. I'll attach a link to the bottom of my post if you feel like reading more, but otherwise here's a brief summary of my thoughts:
The long breaks are buzz-killers. We understand technical difficulties happen but there needs to be more communication about when the event is going to start back up. The audience is patient when a timeframe is given, they're not when nothing is said.
Secondly, the hype videos are a great idea but they're way too long. Shoot for a couple minutes for each player at most, nothing more. These 15 minute hype videos are way too long when there's 30 minutes or more in-between games.
Also, the sound levels have been very inconsistent at times. Today, it's been much better but yesterday was a disaster.
On the positives, the casting all around has been a big positive in my opinion. I love that they're doing post-match interviews, wouldn't mind seeing pre-match interviews with both players. The hype videos are a great idea, just need to be shorter. Also love that the brackets have been updated on the stream, no one seems to do this but it's fantastic.
Anyways, here's a link to my sc2esportsreview.wordpress.com blog if you want a much more in-depth analysis of the NASL thus far.
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Would love to know who's the '' brain '' behind this event... so many mistakes in the format and roster of play that have been invited... missing Kiwi and IdrA is a big hole...
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