On July 08 2011 01:44 mki wrote: This is a good post from reddit I found from empath75:
The only reason that BM hasn't affected sponsorship is that the stakes are so low and nobody in the mainstream media is paying attention. All it will take is one article in the NYTimes about Intel sponsoring homophobic players, and pros calling people 'fags' in chat will stop cold, if they want to keep a sponsorship. And it will happen, eventually. It's an easy article to write, and will get plenty of attention for the first reporter that does it.
Not really considering many major athletes have said or done far worse and still have insane amounts of endorsements. Sponsors care about ROI, if its good enough that will ignore what a person does, if its not lolTigerWoods, they won't.
I don't think I agree. Name me a professional athelete that was caught on tape calling people fags, and sponsors didn't care about it.
Kevin Garnett.
and I imagine if I looked, quite a few nba players. ever set remotely courtside like under row 15? It sounds pretty much exactly what 10 guys playing on a street court sounds like.
The only reason that BM hasn't affected sponsorship is that the stakes are so low and nobody in the mainstream media is paying attention. All it will take is one article in the NYTimes about Intel sponsoring homophobic players, and pros calling people 'fags' in chat will stop cold, if they want to keep a sponsorship. And it will happen, eventually. It's an easy article to write, and will get plenty of attention for the first reporter that does it.
That's why Michael Vick got his endorsement back with Nike and just won sportsman of the year.... yea i see what you mean.... no really.....
That's the problem about calling it eSports, truth is, as many of you have stated already, that you simply can't compare it to football, soccer or anything like that.
Professionalism is required even if we're talking about a niche "sport", and I think that has helped SC2 get more attention from outsiders (including sponsors and stuff) which is just great for the community in general, but I'd hate if SC2 turns into a whole bunch of regulations and guys in suits deciding to fine people for whatever reason they find appropiate... this is not the NFL, we have the option to just create our own thing with it, take the good parts of other organization systems and just bypass the other stupid irrelevant things.
BM is actually quite entertaining, it doesn't really get to the point of being hurtful, and it helps giving the players a more defined personality, one of the things I don't really love about eSports is the fact that you're just watching an interaction between two players through a computer/console, we don't get a face or anything apart from a random nickname, in order to get to know players we've had interviews and stuff to remind us that these aren't just events happening on a computer, but BM helps reinforce that in some cases, extending an otherwise more robot-like personality, that's why MC's throat slice, IdrA's "fuck off", Cruncher's "" really hyped things up, because all those things make you go deeper than just the computer interaction and see two humans duking it out in eSports, which is awesome.
Let the players build up their personalities by doing stuff like that instead of fining them and make them look all the same...
Michael Vick went to jail and had to go through hell to get all that shit back. Also, that award was given to him as an example to others for him to be an inspiration on how to turn your life around.
It's simple business, and you're letting your quest for a moral high ground get in the way of logic.
What's true is that if teams and events want to attract sponsors their players can't be BM'ing left and right. However, as long as the sponsors don't care it's fair game. This is not about some little kid's mom forbidding him from watching MLG because some guy said a nasty swear word.
Fact is, "Fuck off" once in a blue moon does not warrant causing a shit-storm. If it becomes a habit then MLG and EG will need to crack down, but I won't be surprised if EG already had a chat with IdrA about this.
Yet another one of these ridiculous articles about "Wahh! You hurt ESPORTS!"..
Honestly, who do you think the "General public" is made up of? Nuns and parents who refuse to let their children go to public school because it's a bad influence on them? The F bomb isn't anything new to anyone, and those who get offended by the occasional use of it need to get off their high horse. I could understand this if idra talked like this: + Show Spoiler +
"Good Fucking Luck you Fucking piece of Shit good for nothing son of a Bitch!"
The BM between players is what brings in viewers, which is what companies pitch to sponsors, which is what sponsors want to see. VIEWERS. Saying that we need to put an end to the one of the biggest draws in ESPORTS is just silly in my opinion.
If it happens in private by the side, away from officials, then that is a matter we can't control; however publicly we need to denounce such occurences.
I am in no way saying get rid of emotions. But not on our version of "national TV" meaning streams.
Where else can we find these emotions? If all the players desperately try to hide their real emotions in interviews or right after the game and all that, where will the honest emotions shine through?
It doesn't matter if they do it behind closed doors, becuase it's just that, behind closed doors. We want to see their emotions and feel empathy. Laugh with them, feel down with them, cheer for them.
You say it's BM to say "Fuck off", to me it'd be more BM to act really happy right in front of the losing guy when you just won. Am I saying that people should stop their ceremonies after games and just not smile at all? No, because that's what we want to see.
You're not speaking of anything "professional", you're speaking of emotionless, boring crap.
On July 08 2011 01:44 mki wrote: This is a good post from reddit I found from empath75:
The only reason that BM hasn't affected sponsorship is that the stakes are so low and nobody in the mainstream media is paying attention. All it will take is one article in the NYTimes about Intel sponsoring homophobic players, and pros calling people 'fags' in chat will stop cold, if they want to keep a sponsorship. And it will happen, eventually. It's an easy article to write, and will get plenty of attention for the first reporter that does it.
Not really considering many major athletes have said or done far worse and still have insane amounts of endorsements. Sponsors care about ROI, if its good enough that will ignore what a person does, if its not lolTigerWoods, they won't.
I don't think I agree. Name me a professional athelete that was caught on tape calling people fags, and sponsors didn't care about it.
Kevin Garnett.
and I imagine if I looked, quite a few nba players. ever set remotely courtside like under row 15? It sounds pretty much exactly what 10 guys playing on a street court sounds like.
I tried to look up the player/incident you're referencing, and all I found was vague and questionable video clips. It's not really the same as a clear and written statement displayed to the entire audience.
On July 08 2011 01:59 mki wrote: Michael Vick went to jail and had to go through hell to get all that shit back. Also, that award was given to him as an example to others for him to be an inspiration on how to turn your life around.
It's all PR. Nike endorsed him because he is good and hits a large audience. Bottom line.
On July 08 2011 01:44 mki wrote: This is a good post from reddit I found from empath75:
The only reason that BM hasn't affected sponsorship is that the stakes are so low and nobody in the mainstream media is paying attention. All it will take is one article in the NYTimes about Intel sponsoring homophobic players, and pros calling people 'fags' in chat will stop cold, if they want to keep a sponsorship. And it will happen, eventually. It's an easy article to write, and will get plenty of attention for the first reporter that does it.
Not really considering many major athletes have said or done far worse and still have insane amounts of endorsements. Sponsors care about ROI, if its good enough that will ignore what a person does, if its not lolTigerWoods, they won't.
I don't think I agree. Name me a professional athelete that was caught on tape calling people fags, and sponsors didn't care about it.
Quick google search indicates that he was not dropped by any sponsors as a consequence of this. Did the sponsors care? Not all that much, apparently.
Honestly if you take away the HuK v Idra Drama, the bad stream (which MLG would hope you forgot) and Naniwa being the winner, what do you remember about MLG Dallas?
My question is: Where has anyone seen BM turn someone away from watching a specific event or future events?
I severely doubt someone sane would stop watching an event or proceed to boycott others because of BM. TBH its the opposite, IdrA's games draw more crowds (love him or hate him) to games because they want to watch him and are emotionally involved in the games.
Long story short, there is no proof that BM is turning away people from e-sports so we should let whats doing well continue to do well. Don't fix what isn't broken
On July 08 2011 02:02 Slusher wrote: Honestly if you take away the HuK v Idra Drama, the bad stream (which MLG would hope you forgot) and Naniwa being the winner, what do you remember about MLG Dallas?
On July 08 2011 01:44 mki wrote: This is a good post from reddit I found from empath75:
The only reason that BM hasn't affected sponsorship is that the stakes are so low and nobody in the mainstream media is paying attention. All it will take is one article in the NYTimes about Intel sponsoring homophobic players, and pros calling people 'fags' in chat will stop cold, if they want to keep a sponsorship. And it will happen, eventually. It's an easy article to write, and will get plenty of attention for the first reporter that does it.
Not really considering many major athletes have said or done far worse and still have insane amounts of endorsements. Sponsors care about ROI, if its good enough that will ignore what a person does, if its not lolTigerWoods, they won't.
I don't think I agree. Name me a professional athelete that was caught on tape calling people fags, and sponsors didn't care about it.
On July 08 2011 01:44 Slusher wrote: I don't know about you but I fucking can't get enough of traditional sports players saying they are just going to take it game by game.
and that upcoming game against the team that knocked them out of the playoffs last year. Going to prepare hard just like any other week.
can't forget the upcoming game against the cream puff opponent, "Important not to look ahead to the following week until we get there"
oh man professionalism is so mesmerizing.
Yeah, man. Bad publicity is good publicity. It gets your name out! Free advertising! Seems to work well for the LA Lakers after acting like retards when they got swept. Lebron James is just rolling in the publicity. Clearly no one gave a shit about the Mavs. They need to elbow people more.
On July 08 2011 01:44 Slusher wrote: I don't know about you but I fucking can't get enough of traditional sports players saying they are just going to take it game by game.
and that upcoming game against the team that knocked them out of the playoffs last year. Going to prepare hard just like any other week.
can't forget the upcoming game against the cream puff opponent, "Important not to look ahead to the following week until we get there"
oh man professionalism is so mesmerizing.
Yeah, man. Bad publicity is good publicity. It gets your name out! Free advertising! Seems to work well for the LA Lakers after acting like retards when they got swept. Lebron James is just rolling in the publicity. Clearly no one gave a shit about the Mavs. They need to elbow people more.
Are you posting from some fantasy world where Mark Cuban doesn't exist?
I don't know if anyone said this, but you do realize, in the Huk/Idra chat, that Huk started the chat with BM, and idra only retorted back to it, I guess if you did realize that you wouldn't write a whole paragraph on how MLG and other organizations should punish IDRA.
On July 08 2011 02:02 Slusher wrote: Honestly if you take away the HuK v Idra Drama, the bad stream (which MLG would hope you forgot) and Naniwa being the winner, what do you remember about MLG Dallas?
iNcontroL having about 40 supply hiding in the corner of TLO's base. That was hilarious.
EPT
" really hyped things up, because all those things make you go deeper than just the computer interaction and see two humans duking it out in eSports, which is awesome.
