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Toxi78
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 08 2011 02:10 Slusher wrote: Are you posting from some fantasy world where Mark Cuban doesn't exist? Yeah, Mark Cuban defending his team is BM. I'm starting to think people's definition of BM is a bit loose... And Kobe punching a chair? C'mon people... | ||
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Rocor
United States55 Posts
personally I don't think any of the examples listed in the original article would drive anyone away from the scene.... now destiny and his words , on the other hand... I think if the sponsorship dollars and audience get bigger this will happen naturally, but no need to 'clamp down' at this point.. the community is vocal enough to let people know when they have crossed the line (again, see destiny) | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On July 08 2011 02:03 darcevader88 wrote: swearing being this huge negative thing is the biggest joke of a society where murder is in the #1 selling video game It's like in TF2 "family servers" where you'll get kicked if you say "fuck" in the heat of the moment but it's perfectly fine to stab people in the back and immolate people alive. I can't really explain my position much as I'm pretty much in a grey area. I was mostly fine with Idra being childish until he didn't GG to Boxer... Seriously, you have to GG to Boxer... But saying "fuck off" to Huk is fine, though I really like Huk, I don't think it's that bad. Huk certainly didn't lose sleep over it. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 08 2011 02:11 Motat wrote: I don't know if anyone said this, but you do realize, in the Huk/Idra chat, that Huk started the chat with BM, and idra only retorted back to it, I guess if you did realize that you wouldn't write a whole paragraph on how MLG and other organizations should punish IDRA. "u realize" "most of that army" is BM now? OK I think I need to exit this thread now haha | ||
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LeLeech
United Kingdom211 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:38 Hardigan wrote: I don't know whats more unprofessional: a little swear word, telling the opponent to play and not talk, or bragging about a win (5 minutes ago) in your face... probably both. But: we are all happy for that (including MLG) as this creates drama Yeah really off-put when OP tries to tie in IdrA's BM in his post but shows a picture of HuK BMing the shit out of IdrA in the deciding match of the series. On July 08 2011 02:15 Ownos wrote: "u realize" "most of that army" is BM now? OK I think I need to exit this thread now haha You should probally read MLG's rule book. Talking in a game outside of sportsman like conduct, "gg gl hf," is soposed to be an elimination. So yes in this venue its BM. In fact its always been BM to rub your win in your opponents face. Look at CombatEx. Yep im comparing HuK to CombatEx. BM is Bm bro. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On July 08 2011 02:15 Ownos wrote: "u realize" "most of that army" is BM now? OK I think I need to exit this thread now haha Rubbing your previous win in an opponents face while a game is ongoing seems pretty BM to me. Not that I care though. | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:19 mki wrote: OK, I'm about to open up a new thread about this. Nowhere do I state that BM has NO PLACE in e-sports. I put in my article that yes, I do see that emotions should be present in e-sports. However they should not be broadcast in public eye on stream. Do you see a player say FUCK YOU on camera? No - you only hear about it later from news outlets. Difference being what exactly? | ||
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
What I define as BM in e-sports is literally the lack of manners, esp insulting other people (didnt your parents teach you not to insult anyone?). I dont care if a player doesnt type "gg" after a lost game but you must never insult other people. ESPECIALLY not when you talk about someone in a cast to many thousand viewers (as I think Idra did with Cruncher on NASL). | ||
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ryan__h
United States42 Posts
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caruso
Germany733 Posts
This isn't the NFL, this isn't some Golf-event where swearing is frowned upon. We're just a couple of nerds playing a computergame and the best of us get payed for it because there is a minute demographic that watches them. People need to diverge from the notion of e-sports being huge and mainstream, it's not going to happen. | ||
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Liight
Iceland103 Posts
Such leagues MUST forbid such public disrespect and fine IdrA. A message needs to be sent Biggest bullshit ive ever read... and stop comparing pro gamers with football pro's who have millions of fans watching and get paid millions for it aswell. Bm makes character, and what exactly gets viewers ? Guys like Destiny, Idra, Rivals, bm, drama etc, A good example would something like: Huk vs Idra or some simular BM game would/has automatically get 5x more viewers than a normal mannered game between kiwikaki vs Tyler. Nobody besides the ultimate koreans have the same fanbase as Idra, and Destiny is also a good example seeing that he isnt even in the top players NA list yet his fanbase is one of the biggest. So, this idea makes no sense at all, this is Esports... not Nba, not Nfl, not the eu cup or something that millions of kids and adults watch every day live. This is a computergame and the competitive scene (which is quite small today, compared to sc1) would only grow if it included more Bm and interesting 'storylines' kinda like the same reason WWE has any viewers at all. Sportsmanship in Esports makes no difference at all. And also, to be fair, there is a difference between IdrA and Deezer/combatx. Loosing a viewer here and there because they saw a curse word when watching MLG streamed is better than literally killing the most fun part about tournys. | ||
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awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
However there is a major difference in professional sports. Bad manners in traditional sports are very private and hidden. If bad manners or disrespect are noted by an official, there are always fines imposed in traditional sports! Really? I don't watch a lot of international sports, but I have a hard time believing that athletes on the other side of the pond don't talk shit to each other. Trash talk is very common here in the States and the players don't get fined (unless it's for something outrageous). Why should e-sports be any different. I only think players should get fined if thing turn violent. | ||
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Mallard86
186 Posts
Your criticism of Idra is not his lack of professionalism but his use of offensive language. Let me remind you that SC2 is a T rated game. Let me also remind you that Huk is the one who violated the rules and drew a response from Idra. Your comparison between between pro sports and esports consequences is also flawed. Bad manner on the field of play is not met with a fine; it is met with a penalty. Only extreme examples of BM are met with actual fines. In the SC2 esports I have watched, there has not been an example of BM worthy of a fine. | ||
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Securitate
Canada31 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
Go ahead and start shouting specifics on what should and what shouldn't allowed. That's a cool story bro. Go ahead and argue about it as well for no reason. This is not what this article was about. It's about a certain consistency in rules and punishments that organizations should enforce. Great article mki. I'm glad you're not afraid to speak about the real issues instead of the usual fluff articles these forum warriors are used to. The rest of you that started treating mki like one of your parents, stomping your feet and crying that you want to stay up past your bedtime: You should be ashamed of yourself. | ||
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j4ckd4v13z
United Kingdom98 Posts
Capitalising "MUST" and using the imperative doesn't make the point any more valid, it's just annoying to read. The sponsors want the attention and the attention is where the BM is at. | ||
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Tweleve
United States644 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On July 08 2011 02:30 willoc wrote: The rest of you that started treating mki like one of your parents, stomping your feet and crying that you want to stay up past your bedtime: You should be ashamed of yourself. I sincerely apologize for not posting "you wrote a fan-fucking-tastic article." I didn't know that we were supposed to be giving him warm fuzzies all around, completely my fault. T_T? | ||
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