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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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Juke290
Egypt316 Posts
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mki
Poland882 Posts
The only reason that BM hasn't affected sponsorship is that the stakes are so low and nobody in the mainstream media is paying attention. All it will take is one article in the NYTimes about Intel sponsoring homophobic players, and pros calling people 'fags' in chat will stop cold, if they want to keep a sponsorship. And it will happen, eventually. It's an easy article to write, and will get plenty of attention for the first reporter that does it. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:31 mki wrote: The only place I talked about specific figures was with Counter-Strike 1.6. I never talked about how much SC2 players should be fined for BM so I don't know where you assume I think that SC2 players make a "decent amount of money". But congratulations on passing your reading comprehension test. Having said this: Pro SC2 players should still be fined a certain fee (I don't know what it should be) from time to time for public BM. So should i pm you my paypal so you can send me money for bming me? My reading comprehension is fine. You're looking at fining a player who makes anywhere from $0 to $120,000 annually. I'm just wondering who you cannot see the inherent problems with this. Someone who makes $0 can be a total shit head because they can't be fined and someone who makes mid level $$ has to watch his mouth because he needs that money to pay his rent... It just seems like you're policing something that doesn't need to be policed and I'm getting the impression you're the only one who sees censorship in this scenario as a good thing. Not only do the fans like seeing a little color to their games, but organizers get more views as a result. The only hope you have in pushing this through is if the people who buy ad slots are against it, but if you look at the sponsors for most of professional gaming outside of KR it's mostly gaming gear that will welcome a decent amount of BM. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:34 Jiddra wrote: Yea, kudo's to the organization that kicked out Naniwa for being late to games and turned around and changed rules to be able to get TLO to play. ESL is not the best example, they just focus on minor things. They kicked out NaNiWa from EPS when they allowed him to play an EPS match outside of Germany and he said "he doesn't feel like doing so" . Thats what he got a lot of penalty points from and in addition to his already given penalty points he got kicked out of EPS. So thats not really true what you say. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
and that upcoming game against the team that knocked them out of the playoffs last year. Going to prepare hard just like any other week. can't forget the upcoming game against the cream puff opponent, "Important not to look ahead to the following week until we get there" oh man professionalism is so mesmerizing. | ||
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
Take soccer, one of the worlds most popular sports, which also happens to be the sport with the worst manners possible. Punching eachother in the face, kicking, spitting, pretending like all this never happened to fool the ref, etc. A simply ' fuck you' is nothing compared to this. Consider this and there little else to conclude that the BM in starcraft just adds to the drama and makes it more enjoyable (the last part of this sentence is my opinion). | ||
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Arcticc
United States203 Posts
I find that when you're spectating a sport that sets, specifically, two people (teams are not as immediately relatable) to compete against each other, a grudge builds loyalty and incredible interest. | ||
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Cerneo
United States63 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:44 mki wrote: This is a good post from reddit I found from empath75: Not really considering many major athletes have said or done far worse and still have insane amounts of endorsements. Sponsors care about ROI, if its good enough that will ignore what a person does, if its not lolTigerWoods, they won't. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
HuK's provocation was just about as questionable as IdrA's response. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:44 Morphs wrote: While I agree on the contract stuff (each team should take care of its players and itself), I disagree on your position on manners in non-esports. Take soccer, one of the worlds most popular sports, which also happens to be the sport with the worst manners possible. Punching eachother in the face, kicking, spitting, pretending like all this never happened to fool the ref, etc. A simply ' fuck you' is nothing compared to this. Consider this and there little else to conclude that the BM in starcraft just adds to the drama and makes it more enjoyable (the last part of this sentence is my opinion). Whenever anything like this happens and is caught by the referee it is punished in soccer. Sure sometimes the ref doesn't catch it, but like I stated in the article the same can be true at LANs where two players also BM each other and the ref doesn't notice. What I'm saying is - if they can, they punish it in soccer which isn't the case in esports. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:44 mki wrote: "I need an argument. Ooooo I know! I'll go look it up on Reddit, surely someone will agree with me and have an informed opinion that will legitimize my entire argument!" And honestly it's a dumb opinion to have. Unless IdrA has been cheating on 12 hookers or abusing zerglings, no one in the right mind is going to start getting all butthurt about a couple of swear words. You're taking the whole thing out of proportion. | ||
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Souljah
United States423 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:36 maliceee wrote: I for one don't think becoming like the NFL should be the goal for the foreseeable future...the NFL had some intense growing pains before it became the pathetic prima donna league it is now (albeit profitable). Esports will go through the same thing. You cannot hinder the scene by erasing its most marketable asset...the players' personalities. Handicapping the biggest draw would be BAD BUSINESS. Once Esports is raking in millions and families are starting to watch it on TV, then yea, a filter should be put in place. Until then, don't stunt it's growth with all the PCness. 100% nailed it. Couldn't agree more with this. We simply aren't at that point yet. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
Oh get off your high horse. The last thing we need are more "bad words are killing ESPORTS" articles, I haven't witnessed anything that suggests it to be true. You use IdrA as an example and act like he is being a detriment to his team while ignoring the fact that EG have probably the most stacked sponsor lineup of any team outside of Korea. Clearly his actions aren't scaring sponsors away. And as has already been pointed out, MLG plugged the hell out of a video they uploaded of IdrA flipping MC off. You think their sponsors care about that? I was on board with the article through the first few examples, players messing around with contracts is something that could definitely scare off sponsors, but some bad words? Nobody gives a fuck. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:35 mki wrote: Statements like this really make me sad about the overall maturity of our community. Firstly, your not some paragon of maturity to judge other people. Secondly, why must we be %100 serious about esports? Sure to people who have jobs in esports its important to treat it seriously since its your career, but to the general viewer esports is a hobby. They watch it to be entertained, and they are fans of players because of their personalities. If the viewers really are against bad manner, then idra wouldn't have the largest fan club in TL, and his stream wouldn't get 20k viewers as soon as he starts talking. The bm is part of what makes esports exciting, taking that away from it is detrimental. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:46 Cerneo wrote: Not really considering many major athletes have said or done far worse and still have insane amounts of endorsements. Sponsors care about ROI, if its good enough that will ignore what a person does, if its not lolTigerWoods, they won't. I don't think I agree. Name me a professional athelete that was caught on tape calling people fags, and sponsors didn't care about it. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:49 Gamegene wrote: "I need an argument. Ooooo I know! I'll go look it up on Reddit, surely someone will agree with me and have an informed opinion that will legitimize my entire argument!" And honestly it's a dumb opinion to have. Unless IdrA has been cheating on 12 hookers or abusing zerglings, no one in the right mind is going to start getting all butthurt about a couple of swear words. You're taking the whole thing out of proportion. What is it, do you have a personal vendetta? I wasn't looking for an argument it was a post I found while looking through reddit which didn't have any relation to any post that someone had posted before. Stop assuming things. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On July 08 2011 01:52 mki wrote: What is it, do you have a personal vendetta? I wasn't looking for an argument it was a post I found while looking through reddit which didn't have any relation to any post that someone had posted before. Stop assuming things. Ok. Whatever. Sorry I hurt your feelings there pal. Point is, this whole "bad words will kill E-Sports" prediction is as probable as the 2012 apocalypse. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
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