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ESL announces Extreme Masters VI (IEM) - Page 16

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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil.
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
June 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#301
I'm happy that LoL got into IEM, i'll be watching it for sure
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:01:50
June 27 2011 22:01 GMT
#302
On June 28 2011 06:59 velocityqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:43 rareh wrote:
On June 28 2011 05:19 ComusLoM wrote:
Last I heard QL was completely dead, with the same players winning every single event. Basically LoL is huge and has the potential to be a competitive title with some tweaks such as ingame pauses etc. I don't understand the hate. I miss the old quake, back when it was good.

Can't wait for live on three.


Last i heard SC2 had no skill compared to BW.

Its like this BW and QL are games that take skill,therefore the usual people win(FLash in BW, rapha in QL).

You cannot cheese until the final like rain or others and beat players that are better then you.



not even close, yes bw is harder but sc2 is still infinity harder with way more depth than LoL, its overall good game and decent replacemnt for old bw and pretty much everybody accepted it (this who didnt still play bw), now look at hardcore FPS the stample of esports being replaced by some noob catering joke of a "game" because its free and popular.

Carmac said LoL is not replacing Quake. Quake is being removed

LoL is being added. They of course did have LoL at IEM World Championships last year

It's not 1 for 1
MKP||TSL
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:02:08
June 27 2011 22:01 GMT
#303
On June 28 2011 06:58 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:57 rareh wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:54 UNeeK wrote:Who cares if LoL is "skilless" or "unbalanced" it's promoting esports and pushing the message to more and more people that esports are serious.


How is promoting esports with a skilless and unbalanced game, going to make esports be taken serious or more seriously ?
Should be the other way around.

SC2 replaced BW at WCG

Case in point.

Hypocrites

Except SC 2's skill ceiling isn't even comparable to LoL. BW is harder. That's great, the point is it's less of a jump than QL---LoL.
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
June 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#304
Nice. I actually enjoyed watching LoL a lot at DH so i think this is a good choice
aPhanther
Profile Joined April 2010
United States119 Posts
June 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#305
yay LoL! i'll be watching both games for sure!
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
June 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#306
On June 28 2011 06:58 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:57 rareh wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:54 UNeeK wrote:Who cares if LoL is "skilless" or "unbalanced" it's promoting esports and pushing the message to more and more people that esports are serious.


How is promoting esports with a skilless and unbalanced game, going to make esports be taken serious or more seriously ?
Should be the other way around.

SC2 replaced BW at WCG

Case in point.

Hypocrites


Read one of my previous posts to that one in this same topic, you are very clueless.
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
June 27 2011 22:03 GMT
#307

SC2 replaced BW at WCG

Case in point.

Hypocrites


SC2's strategies are still developing and the top 5-10 players are constantly in flux. That's the sign of a decently balanced game.

I'm also not sure what people find so thrilling about the idea of having each production building in its own control group. The level of micro involved in SC2 will increase as people grow used to the interface, the different sized maps and so on, but for now it's a hugely entertaining game to watch for the casual RTS player - much more so than BW ever was.
Znoz
Profile Joined January 2011
Latvia127 Posts
June 27 2011 22:03 GMT
#308
On June 28 2011 06:58 mYNDIG wrote:
Because DotA would get a fifth of LoLs views? Simple as that

With same commercials it would get more.
If you so addicted in viewers - add some asian f2p mmorpg wint **kk players and prepare to copy " It's good for esports" in every thread.
elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
June 27 2011 22:04 GMT
#309
On June 28 2011 06:55 Znoz wrote:
About viewers -
For example what is better:
25k viewers who have 50$ to play game and it's possible that they will buy some products from sponsors and partners?
- or -
100k viewers who play after school and need 2 weeks of suffering in school without food, to buy new mouse or keyboard?

ESports or EFunfair?
Quality of game or Commercial?

And if they wanted to add Dota-style game - why not take DOTA - balanced and all-known instead of you-know-what-casual-imbalanced-sht.

Incorrect, Riot went from a start up to a 400million dollar company within 1 year, I don't know how easy it is for you to make 400million but I ll need 4000years @100k a year. And they didn't make that money because of their good looks.
this mah s#$%$
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 27 2011 22:04 GMT
#310
On June 28 2011 07:01 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:58 mikyaJ wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:57 rareh wrote:
On June 28 2011 06:54 UNeeK wrote:Who cares if LoL is "skilless" or "unbalanced" it's promoting esports and pushing the message to more and more people that esports are serious.


How is promoting esports with a skilless and unbalanced game, going to make esports be taken serious or more seriously ?
Should be the other way around.

SC2 replaced BW at WCG

Case in point.

Hypocrites

Except SC 2's skill ceiling isn't even comparable to LoL. BW is harder, great, cool, the point is it's less of a jump than QL---LoL.

Well, even the pro's can lose to lesser players in certain situations. In LoL, even with the most retarded team comps the better players will win (See Riot vs. The Pro's at Dreamhack).

And the top players on Premade 5x5's records are things like 194-20; 70-6; 183-27; 134-19.

And plus, people need to understand LoL isn't replacing Quake. Carmac said, it wasn't 1 for 1. Quake is being removed.........................LoL is being added. Isolated events.
MKP||TSL
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
June 27 2011 22:04 GMT
#311
On June 28 2011 07:03 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +

SC2 replaced BW at WCG

Case in point.

Hypocrites


SC2's strategies are still developing and the top 5-10 players are constantly in flux. That's the sign of a decently balanced game.

I'm also not sure what people find so thrilling about the idea of having each production building in its own control group. The level of micro involved in SC2 will increase as people grow used to the interface, the different sized maps and so on, but for now it's a hugely entertaining game to watch for the casual RTS player - much more so than BW ever was.

Spoken like a man thats never watched a game of bw ever.

Sad day for esports and testament as to why it will never be taken seriously in the West.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
June 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#312
On June 28 2011 07:04 elementz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:55 Znoz wrote:
About viewers -
For example what is better:
25k viewers who have 50$ to play game and it's possible that they will buy some products from sponsors and partners?
- or -
100k viewers who play after school and need 2 weeks of suffering in school without food, to buy new mouse or keyboard?

ESports or EFunfair?
Quality of game or Commercial?

And if they wanted to add Dota-style game - why not take DOTA - balanced and all-known instead of you-know-what-casual-imbalanced-sht.

Incorrect, Riot went from a start up to a 400million dollar company within 1 year, I don't know how easy it is for you to make 400million but I ll need 4000years @100k a year. And they didn't make that money because of their good looks.


apparently its pretty easy. Copy someone elses design for a game xactly, make it easier and watch the money roll in
EricCartman
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada306 Posts
June 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#313
lol is simply what it is LOL. why is quake live being boned for lol?

Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:06:40
June 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#314
The quake community has been dead and dying for a while now. The community is what keeps the games on circuits, unfortunately it is not one that is sustainable on its own. Knew it was coming eventually. LoL on the other hand is a huge community with a thriving network and company supporting it fully. Don't care for league but it definitely has the backing to sustain a competitive scene for years to come.
inermis
Profile Joined September 2010
353 Posts
June 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#315
adding LoL to the IEM is understandable, did u see how many people were watching the stream from DreamHack Summer ? several times more people than SC2. LoL became very popular, nothing weird there, but no QL is sad news.
play hard go pro
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:10:29
June 27 2011 22:05 GMT
#316
On June 28 2011 06:58 Mafs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:44 isM wrote:
Dear Cynics in this thread,

You guys do realize that LoL maintained double the viewers of Starcraft 2's peak for the entire weekend right? The stream was not embedded in the client there was just a direct link in the client to go to it. Also don't we all hate on blizzard for not listening to the community enough? Meanwhile Riot is at the forefront of trying to push their game and make sure it can establish its self in a competitive environment. Sure it might be a generally casual game and the skill cap isn't outstanding like other games, that doesn't change the fact that it draws a ton of interest. Interest also entices sponsors and sponsors make these events possible. Please step down off your high team liquid horse and accept QL has been dying for a long time now. It is sad to see it go but clinging to the past does not further anything.

Love,
isM


So, lets say they replace BW with say... mario cart if it got more viewers in korea? Even though it would never happen you would be ok with it if it did?


I don't really care about Korean esports, seeing as esports is a completely established and acceptable forum in Korea. But with your hypothetical and if the factors were the same with BW having sub 10k viewers and being completely dead as far as no new up and comers or anything while a new game maintaining 200k+ viewers and opening the eyes of sponsors which would further allow more tournaments go for it. Lest we forget replacing QL (or bw in your awful hypothetical situation) just goes to further the game we play now (sc2 as this is in the sc2 section of a starcraft community website).
Loose lips sink ships
th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:09:38
June 27 2011 22:06 GMT
#317
On June 28 2011 06:57 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:54 UNeeK wrote:Who cares if LoL is "skilless" or "unbalanced" it's promoting esports and pushing the message to more and more people that esports are serious.


How is promoting esports with a skilless and unbalanced game, going to make esports be taken serious or more seriously ?
Should be the other way around.


because whether a game has skill or no skill doesnt matter to people that arent already of competitive gaming or esports. to the vast majority of people a game is just that, a game. and some people just dont 'gaming' seriously. it doesnt matter whether its BW or SC2 or QL or LoL, people will watch what they enjoy or what looks the most 'fun' and entertaining. like i love sc2, but i cannot watch BW because i can barely follow whats going on. whether people like it or not a lot of people watch LoL, and a lot of people play LoL, so opening up esports to them brings in that audience and community and makes us better for it.
did you read the script?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 22:07:41
June 27 2011 22:06 GMT
#318
On June 28 2011 06:59 velocityqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:43 rareh wrote:
On June 28 2011 05:19 ComusLoM wrote:
Last I heard QL was completely dead, with the same players winning every single event. Basically LoL is huge and has the potential to be a competitive title with some tweaks such as ingame pauses etc. I don't understand the hate. I miss the old quake, back when it was good.

Can't wait for live on three.


Last i heard SC2 had no skill compared to BW.

Its like this BW and QL are games that take skill,therefore the usual people win(FLash in BW, rapha in QL).

You cannot cheese until the final like rain or others and beat players that are better then you.



not even close, yes bw is harder but sc2 is still infinity harder with way more depth than LoL, its overall good game and decent replacemnt for old bw and pretty much everybody accepted it (this who didnt still play bw), now look at hardcore FPS the stample of esports being replaced by some noob catering joke of a "game" because its free and popular.


If it is that unskilled and imbalanced of a game, then download it and win the go4LoL this weekend.

This has been such an elitist response from the TL community that I am seriously disappointed.

If you look at the market of esports appealing to gamers, it has that market quite obviously cornered. In order for it to expand it needs to reach the casual internet user and the general populace. In order to do that you're going to need a more casual and easy to understand game. Is sc2 that game for the West? Maybe. But also, perhaps LoL is. Mind you, it is only one event; but it has demonstrated the most promise of any new game for bridging that gap. Show some respect and give it a chance; or cling onto your dying niche games and watch the current leave you in the dust.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 27 2011 22:07 GMT
#319
On June 28 2011 07:03 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +

SC2 replaced BW at WCG

Case in point.

Hypocrites


SC2's strategies are still developing and the top 5-10 players are constantly in flux. That's the sign of a decently balanced game.

I'm also not sure what people find so thrilling about the idea of having each production building in its own control group. The level of micro involved in SC2 will increase as people grow used to the interface, the different sized maps and so on, but for now it's a hugely entertaining game to watch for the casual RTS player - much more so than BW ever was.

lol? How is that the sign of a balanced game. That's the sign of a volatile/unbalanced game. In a perfectly balanced game, the top players would always stay the same, because they would never be beaten by lesser players.
MKP||TSL
Jomz
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom117 Posts
June 27 2011 22:09 GMT
#320
Much prefer QL to LoL, but it's fine, I can still watch LoL. Really wanted to see Rapha and Cooller play! T.T

Ah well. That prize purse is pretty huge which is awesome. Good Luck to all whoa re attending ;o
I'm so badass I can unscramble eggs.
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