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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil.
ZergMaestro
Profile Joined January 2011
United States169 Posts
June 27 2011 21:53 GMT
#281
What the fuck no Quake?

No prob bro you see we got this game called LoL. It owns(no it doesnt)
Ma Jae Yoon #1. The ONLY Maestro. Effort.
MichaelEU
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands816 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 21:53:28
June 27 2011 21:53 GMT
#282
I like watching both games. I play both sparingly. I actually ´´discovered´´ QL at last season´s IEM. It´s a sad day for Quake lovers, but probably unavoidable.

Incidentally, Carmac states that it´s not a 1 for 1 and I trust his word for it.
世界を革命する力を!― znf: "Michael-oniichan ( *^▽^*)ノ✩キラ✩"
Pochtli
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland690 Posts
June 27 2011 21:53 GMT
#283
The most important thing to me is that SC2 is included I don't really care too much about other games, but League of Legends seems like an odd choice (I think Riot convinced ESL to take it in).

Expecting great games, can't wait for more detailed schedule!
ㅈㅈ
UNeeK
Profile Joined January 2011
United States237 Posts
June 27 2011 21:54 GMT
#284
wait, why are people complaining about the growth of esports... i thought we were all on the same team?.... Who cares if LoL is "skilless" or "unbalanced" it's promoting esports and pushing the message to more and more people that esports are serious.

the bigger the better, who cares what platform or type of game is getting viewers as long as its doing that, because at the moment that's what we need to really make a stand that esports should be taken seriously(and hope a large network such as abc, espn, mtv, cbs, etc. would start up a league to mainstream audiences)...
OnFire
Profile Joined July 2010
324 Posts
June 27 2011 21:54 GMT
#285
LoL instead of Quake? Seriously? LoL is about as interesting as watching paint dry for people who don't play it.
HYDRA - EFFORT - LETA
Znoz
Profile Joined January 2011
Latvia127 Posts
June 27 2011 21:55 GMT
#286
About viewers -
For example what is better:
25k viewers who have 50$ to play game and it's possible that they will buy some products from sponsors and partners?
- or -
100k viewers who play after school and need 2 weeks of suffering in school without food, to buy new mouse or keyboard?

ESports or EFunfair?
Quality of game or Commercial?

And if they wanted to add Dota-style game - why not take DOTA - balanced and all-known instead of you-know-what-casual-imbalanced-sht.
xkare
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany140 Posts
June 27 2011 21:56 GMT
#287
Yes, LoL is more casual than Dota, Quake or Starcraft. Yes it is somewhat easy to learn. But a huge amount of people play it. Not only because it's free to play but because it's really fun. And in the end that's what it is all about for most of the gamers.

And for esports to grow you need a game for the masses. I would really like Starcraft2 to be that game (don't know if it would be good or bad) but lots of my friends enjoy LoL more than Starcraft2.

I think it has alot to do with it being easy to lear and being a teamgame. Compared to Starcraft it is alot less stressfull and you can get somewhat carried by your teammates.

It may not be the game for the most competitive guys, although i cant really judge cause i play LoL on a very casual level, but it has a huge, still growing player base, so i can fully understand ESL for putting it on IEM, as sad it is to see quake gone.

rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 21:58:12
June 27 2011 21:57 GMT
#288
On June 28 2011 06:54 UNeeK wrote:Who cares if LoL is "skilless" or "unbalanced" it's promoting esports and pushing the message to more and more people that esports are serious.


How is promoting esports with a skilless and unbalanced game, going to make esports be taken serious or more seriously ?
Should be the other way around.
w1nter
Profile Joined March 2011
Lithuania73 Posts
June 27 2011 21:57 GMT
#289
Quake Live was probably the best spectator e-sport that has ever been introduced to us, sad to see it go
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 21:57:58
June 27 2011 21:57 GMT
#290
On June 28 2011 06:34 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:25 Sakkreth wrote:
Why LoL is considered good fit for esports at all ? It's soo casual...

Why is SC2 considered good for ESPORTS? It's so casual compared to BW. Everything's dumbed down and all that...

Fucking serious...

Because going from BW to SC 2 is such a huge step compared to QL to LoL. Let's stop acting like LoL isn't a casual fest.
Mafs
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada458 Posts
June 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#291
On June 28 2011 06:44 isM wrote:
Dear Cynics in this thread,

You guys do realize that LoL maintained double the viewers of Starcraft 2's peak for the entire weekend right? The stream was not embedded in the client there was just a direct link in the client to go to it. Also don't we all hate on blizzard for not listening to the community enough? Meanwhile Riot is at the forefront of trying to push their game and make sure it can establish its self in a competitive environment. Sure it might be a generally casual game and the skill cap isn't outstanding like other games, that doesn't change the fact that it draws a ton of interest. Interest also entices sponsors and sponsors make these events possible. Please step down off your high team liquid horse and accept QL has been dying for a long time now. It is sad to see it go but clinging to the past does not further anything.

Love,
isM


So, lets say they replace BW with say... mario cart if it got more viewers in korea? Even though it would never happen you would be ok with it if it did?
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
June 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#292
this reminds me of the debate as to whether wow as a esport was good for esports or not. exact same argument for both sides.
elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
June 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#293
WTF are people smoking, LoL had 210k viewers in DH, QL had what <20k it is a busyness if they don't put the titles people want to watch and that get numbers they will not be a busyness anymore.

I hate how TL community tries to pass as "Hardcore" by excluding any new tittles that make it big as an eSport (the term to me means that there is an audience willing to watch these dudes play this game), let eSports prosper which ever game is doing it correctly. I am sure after DH numbers Riot wont need to pay tournaments to include their game.
this mah s#$%$
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
June 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#294
Disappointing, but it's a good business decision.

There really needs to be an enjoyable, team based FPS in the Tribes mold come out soon. I'm tired of these super serious warfare simulators. Let's have some skiing, some good CTF and some skill.
mYNDIG
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway179 Posts
June 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#295
On June 28 2011 06:55 Znoz wrote:

And if they wanted to add Dota-style game - why not take DOTA - balanced and all-known instead of you-know-what-casual-imbalanced-sht.


Because DotA would get a fifth of LoLs views? Simple as that
We all die in the end
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 27 2011 21:58 GMT
#296
On June 28 2011 06:57 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:54 UNeeK wrote:Who cares if LoL is "skilless" or "unbalanced" it's promoting esports and pushing the message to more and more people that esports are serious.


How is promoting esports with a skilless and unbalanced game, going to make esports be taken serious or more seriously ?
Should be the other way around.

SC2 replaced BW at WCG

Case in point.

Hypocrites
MKP||TSL
Shoggoth
Profile Joined February 2011
England75 Posts
June 27 2011 21:59 GMT
#297
On June 27 2011 23:20 GTR wrote:
what a travesty that quake live was shafted for league of legends.

i guess riot are pouring the money in for the game to be a major ESPORTS title.


they have too, its the future of games.

its just too bad they pour money into a tournement and not the current server issues of EU
Fiend of a thousand faces
question
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Czech Republic509 Posts
June 27 2011 21:59 GMT
#298
omg no quake?quake live is so interesting to watch !
GGverySooN
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 27 2011 21:59 GMT
#299
On June 28 2011 06:58 Evangelist wrote:
Disappointing, but it's a good business decision.

There really needs to be an enjoyable, team based FPS in the Tribes mold come out soon. I'm tired of these super serious warfare simulators. Let's have some skiing, some good CTF and some skill.

This. Why are the only good FPSes over 10 years old.
MKP||TSL
velocityqt
Profile Joined June 2011
121 Posts
June 27 2011 21:59 GMT
#300
On June 28 2011 06:43 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 05:19 ComusLoM wrote:
Last I heard QL was completely dead, with the same players winning every single event. Basically LoL is huge and has the potential to be a competitive title with some tweaks such as ingame pauses etc. I don't understand the hate. I miss the old quake, back when it was good.

Can't wait for live on three.


Last i heard SC2 had no skill compared to BW.

Its like this BW and QL are games that take skill,therefore the usual people win(FLash in BW, rapha in QL).

You cannot cheese until the final like rain or others and beat players that are better then you.



not even close, yes bw is harder but sc2 is still infinity harder with way more depth than LoL, its overall good game and decent replacemnt for old bw and pretty much everybody accepted it (this who didnt still play bw), now look at hardcore FPS the stample of esports being replaced by some noob catering joke of a "game" because its free and popular.
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