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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
June 27 2011 21:14 GMT
#241
WTF!? Quake removed?

And LoL added?

This is a sad day =/. One of my buddies will really rage over this xd.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 21:16:57
June 27 2011 21:15 GMT
#242
On June 28 2011 06:10 danl9rm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 23:20 GTR wrote:
what a travesty that quake live was shafted for league of legends.

i guess riot are pouring the money in for the game to be a major ESPORTS title.


As someone who has played both, LoL is a joke of a game compared to QuakeLive.
The game caters to noobs in every way conceivable.

I was about to hit "post," but I will instead elaborate.

From Dota -> League of Legends:
Problem: meanie-head denies all my creeps leaving me way behind Fix: No more denying creeps! You can now sit there like the noob you are and get full exp!
Problem: I have to use the mini-map. Fix: You are now panned so far out you can see everything w/o it!
Problem: I sometimes run out of mana. Fix: Spells now take next to no mana with insane mana regneration!
Problem: Sometimes when I'm playing someone better than me, they combo me to death. Fix: It is now impossible to combo someone down from full health. Spells will do insignificant damage and they will have to cast a dozen of them on you to kill you. At 40% health, please retreat to base for healing.
Problem: It seems no matter who I pick, my opponent can still beat me. Fix: Some characters are now drastically overpowered compared to others so you'll always have a chance against someone actually wanting to pick a different character!
Problem: When I get low on health, people sometimes kill me. Fix: Now, when you get low on health, just leisurely walk back under the tower (with extended range!) and it will totally obliterate anyone who dare follow you! Now you can lane and shoot at creeps all day long!

Yes, I hate that game. And if I had played it more recently, I'm sure I could point out 100 more things that they purposely put into that game, that dota had right, just to make it for noobs.
UGH.

Sorry Quakelive

I guess they should replace SC2 with BW then right?

Scratch that, replace BW with WC2. BW is casual compared to that.


And btw, talking about the comboing people to death you obviously have not played enough to have played against a Leblanc.
MKP||TSL
Sae
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
June 27 2011 21:16 GMT
#243
Maybe quake should replace sc2 since it's such a complex and deep game requiring an astonishing amount of skill and sc2 is just an ezmode casual version of bw that requires no skill?

(hint: not 100% serious)
frozenrb
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland389 Posts
June 27 2011 21:16 GMT
#244
Valve don't give f*** about eSport, they never did.
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 27 2011 21:17 GMT
#245
On June 28 2011 06:16 Sae wrote:
Maybe quake should replace sc2 since it's such a complex and deep game requiring an astonishing amount of skill and sc2 is just an ezmode casual version of bw that requires no skill?

(hint: not 100% serious)

This

It's hypocrisy at it's finest.
MKP||TSL
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
June 27 2011 21:17 GMT
#246
So whats next,facebook games on IEM?
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
June 27 2011 21:18 GMT
#247
love the picture of idra!!!!!!!! I'm really looking forward to this multinational event!!!!!!
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
June 27 2011 21:22 GMT
#248
Quake replaced by LoL....wtf
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
June 27 2011 21:23 GMT
#249
On June 28 2011 06:15 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 06:10 danl9rm wrote:
On June 27 2011 23:20 GTR wrote:
what a travesty that quake live was shafted for league of legends.

i guess riot are pouring the money in for the game to be a major ESPORTS title.


As someone who has played both, LoL is a joke of a game compared to QuakeLive.
The game caters to noobs in every way conceivable.

I was about to hit "post," but I will instead elaborate.

From Dota -> League of Legends:
Problem: meanie-head denies all my creeps leaving me way behind Fix: No more denying creeps! You can now sit there like the noob you are and get full exp!
Problem: I have to use the mini-map. Fix: You are now panned so far out you can see everything w/o it!
Problem: I sometimes run out of mana. Fix: Spells now take next to no mana with insane mana regneration!
Problem: Sometimes when I'm playing someone better than me, they combo me to death. Fix: It is now impossible to combo someone down from full health. Spells will do insignificant damage and they will have to cast a dozen of them on you to kill you. At 40% health, please retreat to base for healing.
Problem: It seems no matter who I pick, my opponent can still beat me. Fix: Some characters are now drastically overpowered compared to others so you'll always have a chance against someone actually wanting to pick a different character!
Problem: When I get low on health, people sometimes kill me. Fix: Now, when you get low on health, just leisurely walk back under the tower (with extended range!) and it will totally obliterate anyone who dare follow you! Now you can lane and shoot at creeps all day long!

Yes, I hate that game. And if I had played it more recently, I'm sure I could point out 100 more things that they purposely put into that game, that dota had right, just to make it for noobs.
UGH.

Sorry Quakelive

I guess they should replace SC2 with BW then right?

Scratch that, replace BW with WC2. BW is casual compared to that.


And btw, talking about the comboing people to death you obviously have not played enough to have played against a Leblanc.


Yeah!! EFF control groups, shit is too casual! There's only one race too.. Orc!
LuckstYle
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany181 Posts
June 27 2011 21:24 GMT
#250
On June 28 2011 06:17 Coulthard wrote:
So whats next,facebook games on IEM?



probably, if they pay enough
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
June 27 2011 21:25 GMT
#251
Why LoL is considered good fit for esports at all ? It's soo casual...
WhiteRa, NaNiWa, Creator, sOs, Krr, ForGG, MMA, Zest ||
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
June 27 2011 21:25 GMT
#252
Half the people bitching about QL being replaced with LoL would probably have defended SC2 against the same arguments from BW players.

Viewership and accessibility are a big factor, but there's more to competitive gaming than just mechanics.
최지성 Bomber || 김동환 viOLet || 고병재 GuMiho
Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
June 27 2011 21:26 GMT
#253
On June 27 2011 23:20 GTR wrote:
what a travesty that quake live was shafted for league of legends.

i guess riot are pouring the money in for the game to be a major ESPORTS title.


3rd most played game in the US after WoW and cod it appeals to the mass market
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 27 2011 21:26 GMT
#254
It's not really surprising to see League of Legends being so popular. It has two advantages over Starcraft 2:

a) it's free
b) it's easy

In case of a) the game is probably played by a lot of people between 12-18 who don't earn money yet. I know I used to avidly search the internet for free shooters when I was that age. Kids like free stuff.

In case of b) I guess we can all agree that Starcraft 2 is pretty hardcore. You've got to train a lot to become halfway decent and you've got to keep playing to keep your skill on par with the rest. Minor mistakes can and will lose you the game. There's a lot of both macromanagement and micromanagement to be done. Personally, if I play 1v1 it's one game and a half-an-hour break because SC2 is that intensive.
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
June 27 2011 21:27 GMT
#255
American qualifiers coming up soon!
twitter.com/ThePharsideESL / ESL IEM NA Admin / WCS NA Qualifier Admin
evolute
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada209 Posts
June 27 2011 21:29 GMT
#256
On June 28 2011 01:41 clusen wrote:
Yes, it makes sense. If you can't enjoy a game without playing it on a certain level it is bad from a spectator point of view. That applies to LoL or WoW for example.

For Quake or SC2 it does not apply. I know quite a few people who enjoy watching SC2 without even owning the game.


That doesn't matter when said player base is so large. WoW still has over ten million, and LoL is extremely large and popular. When catering to an audience that large they don't need to worry about getting people into the scene because the scene is already well established.

If WoW had a non-terrible spectator client and LoL wasn't plagued with stability issues they would probably* gain more viewers than current SC2 events. That's not because they're better games, but that's because the audience is that much bigger.

Hell, when popular WoW sites put up streams to people raiding without advertising it happening, not even competitive play, they hold 50k to 150k viewers. That's ridiculous.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
June 27 2011 21:30 GMT
#257
On June 28 2011 06:10 danl9rm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 23:20 GTR wrote:
what a travesty that quake live was shafted for league of legends.

i guess riot are pouring the money in for the game to be a major ESPORTS title.


As someone who has played both, LoL is a joke of a game compared to QuakeLive.
The game caters to noobs in every way conceivable.

I was about to hit "post," but I will instead elaborate.

From Dota -> League of Legends:
Problem: meanie-head denies all my creeps leaving me way behind Fix: No more denying creeps! You can now sit there like the noob you are and get full exp!
Problem: I have to use the mini-map. Fix: You are now panned so far out you can see everything w/o it!
Problem: I sometimes run out of mana. Fix: Spells now take next to no mana with insane mana regneration!
Problem: Sometimes when I'm playing someone better than me, they combo me to death. Fix: It is now impossible to combo someone down from full health. Spells will do insignificant damage and they will have to cast a dozen of them on you to kill you. At 40% health, please retreat to base for healing.
Problem: It seems no matter who I pick, my opponent can still beat me. Fix: Some characters are now drastically overpowered compared to others so you'll always have a chance against someone actually wanting to pick a different character!
Problem: When I get low on health, people sometimes kill me. Fix: Now, when you get low on health, just leisurely walk back under the tower (with extended range!) and it will totally obliterate anyone who dare follow you! Now you can lane and shoot at creeps all day long!

Yes, I hate that game. And if I had played it more recently, I'm sure I could point out 100 more things that they purposely put into that game, that dota had right, just to make it for noobs.
UGH.

Sorry Quakelive

Just no. No. Don't talk if you don't know shit.

The only joke is you.
God Bless
havox_
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
June 27 2011 21:31 GMT
#258
On June 28 2011 06:25 Sakkreth wrote:
Why LoL is considered good fit for esports at all ? It's soo casual...

You actually answered your question all by yourself...

(since one liners suck: Casual > Many noob... ahm people understand it/played it themselves > easy to advertise to huge audience)
thecoupe
Profile Joined June 2011
United States77 Posts
June 27 2011 21:31 GMT
#259
When I saw that LoL replaced Quake, I raged. Hard. This is the first nail in the coffin of QL and it's disappointing that such a classic game is going to die slowly. And no one's going to care about LoL when DOTA 2 comes out, be prepared Riot!
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
June 27 2011 21:32 GMT
#260
This isn't going to turn into another thread to rag on LoL. Please keep the discussion civil.
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