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This isn't going to turn into another LoL vs (all other games apparently) thread. You can speak your mind about the selection of games but keep it civil. | ||
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xkare
Germany140 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:45 RageBot wrote: But... is LoL that big? will the viewers stay for a long time? Are there big LoL-only events? Is there a big (TL level) LoL community? solomid.net is comparable to teamliquid.net. You can't deny it but lol is getting huge at the moment. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
We bitched and moaned for years that developers don't care enough about their games to really push eSports. Now Riot is putting money and publicity into eSports and we're balling them out for it. That's incredibly hypocritical. Some people may not like LoL. Some people may not like the way Riot implements their games and their content. However, they are trying and succeeding in bringing eyeballs and dollars to eSports. It's a good thing for all of competitive gaming. | ||
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coreydota
United States180 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:17 Pratoss wrote: so many LoL haters rofl it may be an easier game then DotA and HoN but those two games are nearly dead in the same sense bw (foreigner scene) is as well. For E-sports to grow you need viewers and HoN and DotA wouldn't get anywhere near the numbers LoL can and most likely will if Riot keeps promoting it. too bad no one wants e-sports to grow if shitty, casual games like LoL are even considered to be 'e-sports' the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:56 xkare wrote: solomid.net is comparable to teamliquid.net. You can't deny it but lol is getting huge at the moment. Same thing for www.clgaming.net. Go look at the livestreams on both of their pages. They are usually running the same number of viewers or more that SC2 streams are running on TL.net. The eyeballs are there every single day. More proof that the Dreamhack numbers weren't faked. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:57 proxima_ wrote: too bad no one wants e-sports to grow if shitty, casual games like LoL are even considered to be 'e-sports' the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying There are plenty of games out there that are free and no one plays them. The companies behind eSports are businesses. If you can't get the viewership, sponsor interest, etc. with competitive/technical games and there are other companies/games willing to give you that you'd turn to those games. The same argument can be made that SC2 is a shitty, casual game in comparison to BW. Most (if not all) former BW pros turned SC2 players were outraged at how simple SC2 was going to be in comparison to BW (auto-mining, multiple building selection, smart casting, etc.) But in the end they started to enjoy those features and the game. | ||
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th3_great
United Kingdom429 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:57 Aurdon wrote: DJWheat had a great point on that same Lo3. We bitched and moaned for years that developers don't care enough about their games to really push eSports. Now Riot is putting money and publicity into eSports and we're balling them out for it. That's incredibly hypocritical. Some people may not like LoL. Some people may not like the way Riot implements their games and their content. However, they are trying and succeeding in bringing eyeballs and dollars to eSports. It's a good thing for all of competitive gaming. really good point. more money in esports is a good thing for all, whether it lasts or not. it cant just be this elitist thing where we only let in the games we deem worthy and crap over others because theyre for 'casuals'. | ||
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sevia
United States954 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:45 RageBot wrote: But... is LoL that big? will the viewers stay for a long time? Are there big LoL-only events? Is there a big (TL level) LoL community? Considering the recent Season 1 Championship stream hit almost (or over?) 200k viewers, I would say yes, the community is there. It's not as cohesive as the SC community (there's no real TeamLiquid equivalent), but the numbers definitely dwarf that of other games like QL and HoN. Being free-to-play is a big part of this. While I'm a huge fan of League, I wouldn't say it's ready for widespread competitive play yet. Things like a replay system, reconnects, and stable servers have yet to make an appearance. The player base isn't really as developed either, the S1 Championships created a few celebrities (Shushei) but there's really no easily identifiable "best of the best" players like Nestea or MC. All in all, the game has lots of competitive potential, but it has a ways to go and many SC2 players simply won't understand it at first. On topic though, the last IEM was great. The number of huge, successful, recurring tournaments like this really gives you hope for the stability of e-sports. | ||
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Znoz
Latvia127 Posts
In IEM VIII sc2 will be replaced with FarmVille. Or Riots became "official Partners" to IEM (like in WCG) - awesome commercial ... for sh**** game. | ||
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th3_great
United Kingdom429 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:57 proxima_ wrote: too bad no one wants e-sports to grow if shitty, casual games like LoL are even considered to be 'e-sports' the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying of course it has large numbers because its free, but you have to remember that if it really was a bad game (opinions) all these people would just play it once and never do it again. i've done that exact thing recently (alliance of valiant arms). its free, i try it once, thought it was okay, never played it again. theres no investment of my own money, so no sense of loss when we stop playing. but so many people consistently play LoL, and spend money on it, and are involved with the community (200K stream viewers) that your argument that the numbers are such because its free doesnt make as much sense. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On June 28 2011 06:05 Znoz wrote: In IEM VII they will replace CS1.6 with CoD. In IEM VIII sc2 will be replaced with FarmVille. Or Riots became "official Partners" to IEM (like in WCG) - awesome commercial ... for sh**** game. hate to break it to you sc 1.6 has been dying for a long time now(especially in the western scene) its only a matter of time it gets replaced. | ||
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Veritassong
Canada393 Posts
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On June 27 2011 23:34 Atlasy wrote: Yes. But why? Because they inject the stream in the game client. If blizz do this the same way, maybe starcraft 2 reach 500 000 if the WOW client gets the stream also  Wait what? LoL has more players than SC2 right now for one, and two you're saying advertise a SC2 tournament in WoW? wat And to the people that are still rolling in their own ignorance about the matter, the stream was not in the game client. It was a link to it. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On June 27 2011 23:20 GTR wrote: what a travesty that quake live was shafted for league of legends. i guess riot are pouring the money in for the game to be a major ESPORTS title. As someone who has played both, LoL is a joke of a game compared to QuakeLive. The game caters to noobs in every way conceivable. I was about to hit "post," but I will instead elaborate. From Dota -> League of Legends: Problem: meanie-head denies all my creeps leaving me way behind  Fix: No more denying creeps! You can now sit there like the noob you are and get full exp!Problem: I have to use the mini-map. Fix: You are now panned so far out you can see everything w/o it! Problem: I sometimes run out of mana. Fix: Spells now take next to no mana with insane mana regneration! Problem: Sometimes when I'm playing someone better than me, they combo me to death. Fix: It is now impossible to combo someone down from full health. Spells will do insignificant damage and they will have to cast a dozen of them on you to kill you. At 40% health, please retreat to base for healing. Problem: It seems no matter who I pick, my opponent can still beat me. Fix: Some characters are now drastically overpowered compared to others so you'll always have a chance against someone actually wanting to pick a different character! Problem: When I get low on health, people sometimes kill me. Fix: Now, when you get low on health, just leisurely walk back under the tower (with extended range!) and it will totally obliterate anyone who dare follow you! Now you can lane and shoot at creeps all day long! Yes, I hate that game. And if I had played it more recently, I'm sure I could point out 100 more things that they purposely put into that game, that dota had right, just to make it for noobs. UGH. Sorry Quakelive | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On June 28 2011 06:09 mikyaJ wrote: its not odd for blizzard to promote one of their games in another. thats like the onyl thing they advertised in the sc3 add banner | ||
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IMLegend
Germany28 Posts
posted without judgement. i just dislike quake being removed. nobody really knows what's going on behind the scenes apart from a few, you included  | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
For anyone really: those viewer numbers does in no way relate to the popularity of LoL compared to SC2/QL/whatever. People have speculated how they arrived at those numbers, and while i guess no one can be sure exactly how, its absolutely certain you cant compare it to other stream numbers. LoL DOES NOT attract more than 2x SC2 viewer numbers under equal conditions, thats 100% certain. Unless similar conditions are set up at IEM, it will be much more interesting how many viewers LoL can attract under equal circumstances. LoL might still be a good replacement for QL though, and as unrepresentative as those 200k were for the overall popularity of LoL, I think its a good sign that the company behind games start actively promoting esports. That alone is worth some respect. | ||
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Znoz
Latvia127 Posts
On June 28 2011 05:57 proxima_ wrote: the only reason LoL gets those numbers is because it's free, not because the game is good, but keep trying I think it because LoL is : More casual and easy than Dota\HoN. F2P model. Have some grind. And most important - they have huge commercials - like being partners of WCG - there's no blizzard for example or Valve. They had banner on Dreamhack main page (maybe not banner - but whole page had commercial). So i think they use tournaments to promote game and invite more users to buy RP - not to made eSports game. It's like new commercial method. And that's why I don't like them - they are like Cake - LIE!1 :3 | ||
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velocityqt
121 Posts
On June 28 2011 06:05 Znoz wrote: In IEM VII they will replace CS1.6 with CoD. In IEM VIII sc2 will be replaced with FarmVille. Or Riots became "official Partners" to IEM (like in WCG) - awesome commercial ... for sh**** game. hahah seriously its going that road and tilts me hard when people call that esport, its bad when they decide to replace actually good games with trash because it sells (oh wait its free ...) | ||
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