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Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
June 26 2011 16:02 GMT
#141
Haha I wonder if merz gets tired in his fingers with that much APM. I know I do and I don't have anything close to 400 real APM LOL.
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merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
June 26 2011 16:02 GMT
#142
On June 27 2011 00:53 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 23:06 meRz wrote:
My APM is not close to being 339/470 effective APM though. I've had a lot of people tell me I spam way too much and It's true, it's just so built into my "autopilot" i.e the way I'm used to play that whenever I try to stop the spam it gets awkward and I feel out of my element. For me the spam has always helpt me kept in "pace" of the game as in I'm always going at the same speed rather than starting out slow then gradually become faster. I still think spamming to a certain extent can be good for you to keep the pace up and your hands warm but I obviously overdo it.

I blame NaDa's early FPVod (vs SirSoni I believe) where they show his keyboard and he went at like 300+ apm. I was like 12 at the time and figured "hey that's how I'm going to play" and now it's just so natural to me that I don't think about it.

It does show potential though. Are you considering going "pro" and perhaps taking a break from school for a while? How much do you generally play?

I heard you went to law school (which I do as well, at SU), is it at UU?


Yes it's UU. I play as much as I can, seeing how you're also in Law School you probably understand how much that is. But School in general has suffered a lot due to Sc2 for the last year, I haven't failed a course as of yet but I'm always on the verge of failing, most likely due to that I don't spend a lot of time studying.

I'm playing fulltime this summer, before Dreamhack I had about 14 days to prepare and I practiced at least 8 hours a day on average, and I could've made it out of my group if I hadn't slipped up against players I should beat or at least be on the same level as (naama and grubby). So I think after a month more or so I might be able to be a lot more stable in my play and keep up the consistency, if I feel that I'm on a decent enough level at the end of this summer (late august) I'll probably apply for a break at my school, to have my spot secured, and focus on professional gaming for at least a year or so.Otherwise I'll probably quit professional gaming and just finish school.

The way it is now, I'm still not quite on par with the top players, meanwhile school is suffering (seeing how grades are very important in Law school) so I'm kind of in a lose/lose situation at the moment. But we'll see how it all works out in August .

Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Minored
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil88 Posts
June 26 2011 16:06 GMT
#143
i thought bomber had a sick apm, the games i watched from him, he was in the 300`s

but anyway, i feel better about my 90 apm in plat league after seeing this thread
go ahead, make my day.
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 16:12:58
June 26 2011 16:12 GMT
#144
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .


On the contrary. It's quite sad that some people still value apm over strategy as a winning factor. I'm glad this game was improved over the monkey-like actions from BW.

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Weenkus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Croatia26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 16:19:45
June 26 2011 16:19 GMT
#145
If you ask me its way more impressive to play on a pro level with lesser APM just think about it some players have around 150 APM less than others and still can play on the same level as other pros.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
June 26 2011 16:25 GMT
#146
On June 27 2011 01:02 meRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 00:53 Paladia wrote:
On June 26 2011 23:06 meRz wrote:
My APM is not close to being 339/470 effective APM though. I've had a lot of people tell me I spam way too much and It's true, it's just so built into my "autopilot" i.e the way I'm used to play that whenever I try to stop the spam it gets awkward and I feel out of my element. For me the spam has always helpt me kept in "pace" of the game as in I'm always going at the same speed rather than starting out slow then gradually become faster. I still think spamming to a certain extent can be good for you to keep the pace up and your hands warm but I obviously overdo it.

I blame NaDa's early FPVod (vs SirSoni I believe) where they show his keyboard and he went at like 300+ apm. I was like 12 at the time and figured "hey that's how I'm going to play" and now it's just so natural to me that I don't think about it.

It does show potential though. Are you considering going "pro" and perhaps taking a break from school for a while? How much do you generally play?

I heard you went to law school (which I do as well, at SU), is it at UU?


Yes it's UU. I play as much as I can, seeing how you're also in Law School you probably understand how much that is. But School in general has suffered a lot due to Sc2 for the last year, I haven't failed a course as of yet but I'm always on the verge of failing, most likely due to that I don't spend a lot of time studying.

I'm playing fulltime this summer, before Dreamhack I had about 14 days to prepare and I practiced at least 8 hours a day on average, and I could've made it out of my group if I hadn't slipped up against players I should beat or at least be on the same level as (naama and grubby). So I think after a month more or so I might be able to be a lot more stable in my play and keep up the consistency, if I feel that I'm on a decent enough level at the end of this summer (late august) I'll probably apply for a break at my school, to have my spot secured, and focus on professional gaming for at least a year or so.Otherwise I'll probably quit professional gaming and just finish school.

The way it is now, I'm still not quite on par with the top players, meanwhile school is suffering (seeing how grades are very important in Law school) so I'm kind of in a lose/lose situation at the moment. But we'll see how it all works out in August .

I can understand that, especially considering UU has much more mandatory classes (while we have almost none). Grades are indeed extremely important, with poor grades, unless you have connections or are lucky, the degree isn't of much use. As you then can expect to end up as a consumer guide or alike (konsumentvägledare).

With that in mind, it is likely better to take a break from school for a while and focus on gaming or quit gaming altogether. As doing both at a mediocre level isn't a very viable strategy. We don't have to apply for a break though, people just quit for a year or two and then show up again without any notice. As long as you have been accepted into the program once and you have not gone to the courses previously, you are guaranteed a spot.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
June 26 2011 16:25 GMT
#147
If you're able to do everything that you need to do when you need it, why the fuck should anyone care about APM?
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sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 16:30:27
June 26 2011 16:30 GMT
#148
It's nice to know I have more APM than some of the pros xD But it's sad that they're still 10x better than me.

Also... merz... is that really necessary?
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
June 26 2011 16:38 GMT
#149
what in the gods hell does merz do the whole time?

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Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 16:40:42
June 26 2011 16:38 GMT
#150
Didn't there used to be a BW player named Kyo something with 500 average apm with like 70% hotkeys? lol

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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
June 26 2011 16:45 GMT
#151
Could you please edit in how these people placed? Is there any sort of correlation.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3128 Posts
June 26 2011 16:50 GMT
#152
saying apm only makes strategy games less strategical is like saying finger coordination makes pianists less musical
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
June 26 2011 16:50 GMT
#153
On June 27 2011 01:12 Apolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .


On the contrary. It's quite sad that some people still value apm over strategy as a winning factor. I'm glad this game was improved over the monkey-like actions from BW.


Woah, easy with the BW bashing. Let's remember that you're limited to the number of units you can put on one hot key, and there is no movement queuing.
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 26 2011 16:54 GMT
#154
Hey cool my APM is close to the slowest person there!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 26 2011 16:57 GMT
#155
On June 26 2011 21:40 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:37 Caladbolg wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:24 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:22 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.

Well, for now. I think it's gradually changing though. Can you keep up with MMA's multitasking with 130apm? Doubtful.

For comparison's sake, is there a similar list for BW progamers?


I've put alot of reps into bwrepinfo before, and it seems a good average is around 400-425, with EAPM of around 220-250.

But then there are guys like stork who are slow, and guys like hero who are ridiculously fast (but still do terrible).


Hyuk is another high apm guy with arguably more success than hero. Seen him get 500+ average in a game (peaking at high 600s). Zerg seems to require the highest apm as well, similar to how I perceive the average to be in SC2 (although admittedly, it seems that Protoss and Terran do benefit more due to their micro tricks).

A large chunk of BW apm was for macro and rally resetting (other large components were multitask and micro tricks). I wonder where merz's 470 goes to? Watching the FPVOD of someone like Select or Huk, the APM seems to go to multitask and micro. On the other hand, someone like Major or Idra seem to put more time in base management.


As a Zerg BW player, alot of apm comes from going 1click 2click 3click 4click 5click 6click 7click 8click 9click to move your army around the map, I was a shit C/low C+ player but I averaged 340-360 apm just because moving mass ling armies added lots of actions.

I have to agree, the reason why the APMs are so low compared to BW, is just that macro and micro has gotten so much easier and faster. It takes maybe half the time to perform the actions required, but only a quarter of the actions to do something.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 26 2011 17:01 GMT
#156
My APM is only 70 lol~

I thought Sjow had lower, around 100 isn't too bad (obviously not amazingly huge!)
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mumming
Profile Joined June 2010
Faroe Islands256 Posts
June 26 2011 17:02 GMT
#157
I just tried to watch a replay for 1 real time minute (using stopwatch) and seeing how long it went on faster, I got 1 min 24 sec. Then we divide those 84 sec's with 60 and get 1,4 So to get real apm multiply in game amp with 1,4. I think I did it pretty well, but u can make it go on longer to get a more precise number if you want.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
June 26 2011 17:02 GMT
#158
APM never has been that important. Anyone can have high APM but using high APM is a completely different story.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
ma70
Profile Joined October 2010
253 Posts
June 26 2011 17:06 GMT
#159
On June 27 2011 00:25 Datum wrote:
I was lucky enough to get to watch July play at MLG. Although he doesn't have the absolute highest APM, his mouse accuracy was insane. The TL community knows that APM doesn't matter, it's effective APM that's important.

Also, I was surprised to see Grubby, the WC3 legend, with such low APM. Can a former WC3 player tell me, was there no APM spamming in WC3?


There was APM spamming in WC3. Having 180-200 APM in WC3 was considered high. WC3 didn't really rely on super multitasking and map control like SC2 did. Once you made 5 gold workers and 7-8 lumber harvesters (HU/Orc/Elf), you only macroed through a few unit producers. Most of your APM actually came from microing your heroes/units. There were quite a few spammers though, such as Focus who had around 330-360 APM in WC3.
ganil
Profile Joined August 2009
253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 17:13:40
June 26 2011 17:12 GMT
#160
On June 27 2011 01:57 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:40 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:37 Caladbolg wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:24 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:22 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:19 funk100 wrote:
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .

130 APM is enough to do all you need to do in Sc2 if you use it efficiently.

Well, for now. I think it's gradually changing though. Can you keep up with MMA's multitasking with 130apm? Doubtful.

For comparison's sake, is there a similar list for BW progamers?


I've put alot of reps into bwrepinfo before, and it seems a good average is around 400-425, with EAPM of around 220-250.

But then there are guys like stork who are slow, and guys like hero who are ridiculously fast (but still do terrible).


Hyuk is another high apm guy with arguably more success than hero. Seen him get 500+ average in a game (peaking at high 600s). Zerg seems to require the highest apm as well, similar to how I perceive the average to be in SC2 (although admittedly, it seems that Protoss and Terran do benefit more due to their micro tricks).

A large chunk of BW apm was for macro and rally resetting (other large components were multitask and micro tricks). I wonder where merz's 470 goes to? Watching the FPVOD of someone like Select or Huk, the APM seems to go to multitask and micro. On the other hand, someone like Major or Idra seem to put more time in base management.


As a Zerg BW player, alot of apm comes from going 1click 2click 3click 4click 5click 6click 7click 8click 9click to move your army around the map, I was a shit C/low C+ player but I averaged 340-360 apm just because moving mass ling armies added lots of actions.

I have to agree, the reason why the APMs are so low compared to BW, is just that macro and micro has gotten so much easier and faster. It takes maybe half the time to perform the actions required, but only a quarter of the actions to do something.


I played on iccup less than 2 seasons with no prior SCBW experience.
I suck at rts game.
I'm slow as hell
I play super safe and standard.
...

I got C with sthg like 140~150 apm average (3 hatch spire into 5 hatch hydra vs P and 2 hatch muta 3 hatch hive vT, ZvZ is weird so I had no real planned build here).

You don't need a high apm to do basics builds and win a lot.

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