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BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
June 26 2011 14:49 GMT
#121
Is the raw data available somewhere for all players that participated in the tournament? It would be interesting to see if there is a real correlation between placement in the tournament and apm. There are actually some statistical tools which make it possible to do this.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
June 26 2011 14:49 GMT
#122
What i've noticed is that said low apm mostly fall apart if the game gets really fast, there being more battles, constantly trying to be active on the map harass etc.
Sadly Sc2 isn't there yet, as most games consists of building up a ball and 1a vs 1a into each other.

I think when the game picks up pace for the whole duration of the match, these low apm player will
fade away
wat
Mungosh
Profile Joined February 2011
365 Posts
June 26 2011 14:57 GMT
#123
On June 26 2011 21:30 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .


Well i think in a strategy game it should be more important what you do, then how fast you can press buttons or click the mouse.

Then it ain't so strategical anymore...

Strategy game ≠ Real-time strategy game.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 15:01:30
June 26 2011 15:00 GMT
#124
wtf, 470 real APM? lol

i mean it's not impossible ofc, you can easily tap between your buildings over and over, but still whatever he's doing he is doing a lot of =O

Damn, some of those players need to get their APM higher xD (goody thorzain whitera jinro)
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stOrpse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States175 Posts
June 26 2011 15:01 GMT
#125
Wow, I was expecting July to have the highest by a lot. This just shows how little an impact APM really has on your ability to play SC2. That said, I have noticed that Sjow and Goody have sub par mechanics and their lack of APM does hurt their multitasking. For an example of this, watch Sjow's games against July from MLG Columbus. He just couldn't keep up with the God of War.
gehgrfhgrh
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany294 Posts
June 26 2011 15:01 GMT
#126
Spamming |= APM! Precision > Spamming
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fds
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia258 Posts
June 26 2011 15:16 GMT
#127
Again APM discussion...

1.) average APM (ingame) - macro
2.) peak APM (ingame) - multitasking/battle micro

You need fast hands for short duration but you don't have to spam 470+ whole game. People "spam" whole game as they have problems shifting from low to high state.

Statements "90 APM is enough" should transform into: "90 average apm is enough if you can speed up to 300+ in battles."

Best regards Spammers
ma70
Profile Joined October 2010
253 Posts
June 26 2011 15:23 GMT
#128
Nice. Grubby still has the same APM he did back in WC3. Although slightly lower probably because there are no heroes
simansh
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
257 Posts
June 26 2011 15:24 GMT
#129
I think it's better to look at eapm. Flash/jaedong/bisu/kal etc. are known for their really high eapm even though they aren't the absolute fastest players. Maybe jaedong is but ok :p

I don't think it really matters in sc2 though, most of the things can be done with like 100-200 apm if youre efficient.
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Datum
Profile Joined February 2011
United States371 Posts
June 26 2011 15:25 GMT
#130
I was lucky enough to get to watch July play at MLG. Although he doesn't have the absolute highest APM, his mouse accuracy was insane. The TL community knows that APM doesn't matter, it's effective APM that's important.

Also, I was surprised to see Grubby, the WC3 legend, with such low APM. Can a former WC3 player tell me, was there no APM spamming in WC3?
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
June 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#131
APM = skill. Just look at ViBe, he is the best player in the world
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
June 26 2011 15:31 GMT
#132
On June 27 2011 00:25 Datum wrote:
I was lucky enough to get to watch July play at MLG. Although he doesn't have the absolute highest APM, his mouse accuracy was insane. The TL community knows that APM doesn't matter, it's effective APM that's important.

Also, I was surprised to see Grubby, the WC3 legend, with such low APM. Can a former WC3 player tell me, was there no APM spamming in WC3?


There were numerous APM spam players in wc3 yeah. FoCuS springs to mind as a crazy high apm spam player, not as successful as Lyn or Grubby despite having way higher APM.
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
June 26 2011 15:40 GMT
#133
does merz even play the game? or just press 1 2 3 1 2 3 till one person gg's
edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
June 26 2011 15:42 GMT
#134
Go HuK! So close to 300...
“There are two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.” - Clint Eastwood
Mateo0
Profile Joined August 2010
France112 Posts
June 26 2011 15:42 GMT
#135
Yeah I have the same APM as Grubby! Does that mean I have the same skill? xD
m4553 always in my heart.
BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
June 26 2011 15:45 GMT
#136
Wow Thorzain only at 130/180. He looked a lot faster at Columbus. Crowds were commenting on how quick he was
Paid tha cost to be The Boss.
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 26 2011 15:51 GMT
#137
Not for anything buddy but APM doesn't work. Go in game and hold any hotkey, APM will spike to 450+. This flaw makes all your readings meaningless.
Intel Dual Core 4400 @ ~2.00GHz / 2046MB RAM / 256 MB ATI Radeon x1300PRO
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
June 26 2011 15:53 GMT
#138
jinro needs more apm
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
June 26 2011 15:53 GMT
#139
On June 26 2011 23:06 meRz wrote:
My APM is not close to being 339/470 effective APM though. I've had a lot of people tell me I spam way too much and It's true, it's just so built into my "autopilot" i.e the way I'm used to play that whenever I try to stop the spam it gets awkward and I feel out of my element. For me the spam has always helpt me kept in "pace" of the game as in I'm always going at the same speed rather than starting out slow then gradually become faster. I still think spamming to a certain extent can be good for you to keep the pace up and your hands warm but I obviously overdo it.

I blame NaDa's early FPVod (vs SirSoni I believe) where they show his keyboard and he went at like 300+ apm. I was like 12 at the time and figured "hey that's how I'm going to play" and now it's just so natural to me that I don't think about it.

It does show potential though. Are you considering going "pro" and perhaps taking a break from school for a while? How much do you generally play?

I heard you went to law school (which I do as well, at SU), is it at UU?
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
June 26 2011 15:56 GMT
#140
pretty cool statistics
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