• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:17
CEST 13:17
KST 20:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1758 users

Top10 average APM during Dreamhack (list) - Page 7

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 11 Next All
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
June 26 2011 14:49 GMT
#121
Is the raw data available somewhere for all players that participated in the tournament? It would be interesting to see if there is a real correlation between placement in the tournament and apm. There are actually some statistical tools which make it possible to do this.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
June 26 2011 14:49 GMT
#122
What i've noticed is that said low apm mostly fall apart if the game gets really fast, there being more battles, constantly trying to be active on the map harass etc.
Sadly Sc2 isn't there yet, as most games consists of building up a ball and 1a vs 1a into each other.

I think when the game picks up pace for the whole duration of the match, these low apm player will
fade away
wat
Mungosh
Profile Joined February 2011
365 Posts
June 26 2011 14:57 GMT
#123
On June 26 2011 21:30 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 21:15 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its kinda sad that people can be top players with 130 apm though .


Well i think in a strategy game it should be more important what you do, then how fast you can press buttons or click the mouse.

Then it ain't so strategical anymore...

Strategy game ≠ Real-time strategy game.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 15:01:30
June 26 2011 15:00 GMT
#124
wtf, 470 real APM? lol

i mean it's not impossible ofc, you can easily tap between your buildings over and over, but still whatever he's doing he is doing a lot of =O

Damn, some of those players need to get their APM higher xD (goody thorzain whitera jinro)
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
stOrpse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States175 Posts
June 26 2011 15:01 GMT
#125
Wow, I was expecting July to have the highest by a lot. This just shows how little an impact APM really has on your ability to play SC2. That said, I have noticed that Sjow and Goody have sub par mechanics and their lack of APM does hurt their multitasking. For an example of this, watch Sjow's games against July from MLG Columbus. He just couldn't keep up with the God of War.
gehgrfhgrh
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany294 Posts
June 26 2011 15:01 GMT
#126
Spamming |= APM! Precision > Spamming
♥ MVP_Keen ♥ oGs.MC ♥ LiquidTLO ♥ mouzThorZain ♥
fds
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia258 Posts
June 26 2011 15:16 GMT
#127
Again APM discussion...

1.) average APM (ingame) - macro
2.) peak APM (ingame) - multitasking/battle micro

You need fast hands for short duration but you don't have to spam 470+ whole game. People "spam" whole game as they have problems shifting from low to high state.

Statements "90 APM is enough" should transform into: "90 average apm is enough if you can speed up to 300+ in battles."

Best regards Spammers
ma70
Profile Joined October 2010
253 Posts
June 26 2011 15:23 GMT
#128
Nice. Grubby still has the same APM he did back in WC3. Although slightly lower probably because there are no heroes
simansh
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
257 Posts
June 26 2011 15:24 GMT
#129
I think it's better to look at eapm. Flash/jaedong/bisu/kal etc. are known for their really high eapm even though they aren't the absolute fastest players. Maybe jaedong is but ok :p

I don't think it really matters in sc2 though, most of the things can be done with like 100-200 apm if youre efficient.
#1 Zenex Line fan!
Datum
Profile Joined February 2011
United States371 Posts
June 26 2011 15:25 GMT
#130
I was lucky enough to get to watch July play at MLG. Although he doesn't have the absolute highest APM, his mouse accuracy was insane. The TL community knows that APM doesn't matter, it's effective APM that's important.

Also, I was surprised to see Grubby, the WC3 legend, with such low APM. Can a former WC3 player tell me, was there no APM spamming in WC3?
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
June 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#131
APM = skill. Just look at ViBe, he is the best player in the world
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
June 26 2011 15:31 GMT
#132
On June 27 2011 00:25 Datum wrote:
I was lucky enough to get to watch July play at MLG. Although he doesn't have the absolute highest APM, his mouse accuracy was insane. The TL community knows that APM doesn't matter, it's effective APM that's important.

Also, I was surprised to see Grubby, the WC3 legend, with such low APM. Can a former WC3 player tell me, was there no APM spamming in WC3?


There were numerous APM spam players in wc3 yeah. FoCuS springs to mind as a crazy high apm spam player, not as successful as Lyn or Grubby despite having way higher APM.
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
June 26 2011 15:40 GMT
#133
does merz even play the game? or just press 1 2 3 1 2 3 till one person gg's
edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
June 26 2011 15:42 GMT
#134
Go HuK! So close to 300...
“There are two kinds of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig.” - Clint Eastwood
Mateo0
Profile Joined August 2010
France112 Posts
June 26 2011 15:42 GMT
#135
Yeah I have the same APM as Grubby! Does that mean I have the same skill? xD
m4553 always in my heart.
BossPlaya
Profile Joined September 2010
United States141 Posts
June 26 2011 15:45 GMT
#136
Wow Thorzain only at 130/180. He looked a lot faster at Columbus. Crowds were commenting on how quick he was
Paid tha cost to be The Boss.
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 26 2011 15:51 GMT
#137
Not for anything buddy but APM doesn't work. Go in game and hold any hotkey, APM will spike to 450+. This flaw makes all your readings meaningless.
Intel Dual Core 4400 @ ~2.00GHz / 2046MB RAM / 256 MB ATI Radeon x1300PRO
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
June 26 2011 15:53 GMT
#138
jinro needs more apm
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
June 26 2011 15:53 GMT
#139
On June 26 2011 23:06 meRz wrote:
My APM is not close to being 339/470 effective APM though. I've had a lot of people tell me I spam way too much and It's true, it's just so built into my "autopilot" i.e the way I'm used to play that whenever I try to stop the spam it gets awkward and I feel out of my element. For me the spam has always helpt me kept in "pace" of the game as in I'm always going at the same speed rather than starting out slow then gradually become faster. I still think spamming to a certain extent can be good for you to keep the pace up and your hands warm but I obviously overdo it.

I blame NaDa's early FPVod (vs SirSoni I believe) where they show his keyboard and he went at like 300+ apm. I was like 12 at the time and figured "hey that's how I'm going to play" and now it's just so natural to me that I don't think about it.

It does show potential though. Are you considering going "pro" and perhaps taking a break from school for a while? How much do you generally play?

I heard you went to law school (which I do as well, at SU), is it at UU?
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
June 26 2011 15:56 GMT
#140
pretty cool statistics
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 11 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #102
CranKy Ducklings104
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
herO (Afreeca) 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 14306
Calm 4636
Horang2 1350
Mini 412
Mind 337
BeSt 309
actioN 305
EffOrt 188
Last 152
ggaemo 129
[ Show more ]
ZerO 88
Sharp 79
Backho 68
Aegong 66
Barracks 39
Hm[arnc] 27
Hyun 27
910 23
soO 23
Movie 19
NaDa 17
[sc1f]eonzerg 14
Bale 14
IntoTheRainbow 10
GoRush 4
Dota 2
Gorgc3747
ODPixel82
Counter-Strike
zeus993
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King144
Westballz40
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor135
Other Games
singsing1700
B2W.Neo651
Pyrionflax210
ArmadaUGS97
Sick62
Trikslyr31
QueenE27
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9979
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2721
Other Games
gamesdonequick727
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 22
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 16
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 40
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1487
• TFBlade943
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
43m
SC Evo League
2h 13m
IPSL
4h 43m
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
7h 43m
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Patches Events
10h 43m
CranKy Ducklings
12h 43m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
22h 43m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
23h 43m
Ladder Legends
1d 3h
BSL
1d 7h
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
[ Show More ]
IPSL
1d 7h
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
1d 21h
Wardi Open
1d 22h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 22h
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.