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Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
June 25 2011 21:51 GMT
#641
On June 25 2011 11:15 godemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 11:09 Olinim wrote:
On June 25 2011 11:04 venge1155 wrote:
NASL open stuff got a lot more views than the HSC got, not to mention the vods... I do not know what you guys are talking about.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/haters-gonna-hate

Honestly I could care less if Geoff casts ( after the "top end" of casting as long as its not TB I could care less) or not. I can see why he needs the time, the dude really needs to get to marrying and focusing on playing!


What? the NASL open had like 4k viewers and the HSC had like 20k.

Also HSC is fucking awesome, you get to see the personalities behind the players. This is something NASL promised but never delivered.

The nasl promised to tell you the story of a player, not show you their personalities. Something they still failed to deliver on, imo.
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 22:01:13
June 25 2011 21:59 GMT
#642
NA needs more top players and Incontrol will hopefully become one now that he's giving it more time. GL to him.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Vysage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States117 Posts
June 25 2011 22:07 GMT
#643
This may have been said already but whatever. Those of you who are fans of incontrol, and particularly his personality, should welcome this change on the basis of him not being as restricted as before in terms of what he says. I'm not sure how associated he is with certain organizations now but at least not being a part of the NASL means more freedom for him to show off his personality, much like IdrA.
oLynXs
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway7 Posts
June 25 2011 22:10 GMT
#644
Wish you the best of luck in the future Geoff <3 Do what you think is best for yourself =D
Snow
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 26 2011 01:00 GMT
#645
On June 26 2011 03:11 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 02:10 Defacer wrote:
On June 26 2011 01:50 floor exercise wrote:


I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.



I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.

Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?

Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?

Have you ever taught a class?

Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?

Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.






Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.

My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.

On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.

You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.

On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.

The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D


So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.

Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.

InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.

In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.

Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.




McDerp
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark6 Posts
June 26 2011 01:02 GMT
#646
I think it's for the best. He's a great caster, but I would love to see how he plays, when he only does that. So will miss him as a caster, but can't wait to see him play for real now!

EG Fighting!
"If the coin had been in the other hand, that would have been micro" - Day[9]
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 26 2011 01:14 GMT
#647
On June 26 2011 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:



Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 01:55 Defacer wrote:
The use of the word "we" when representing or speaking on behalf of an organization in interviews is standard in the professional world. It's call being a team player, par for course for anyone that's ever been part of a team or had a real job, and is not indicative of actual ownership and responsibility.
You're reading WAAAAAAAAAY to much into it.

I guess you chose to ignore some content in my earlier post so I'll amplify my point for clarity.

During a very slickly produced interview with IGN regarding the IPL league Incontrol stated "I'm starting to start my own league" during his apology relating to restreaming GSL. Ironically, he makes this statement right after the interviewer warns him everything he says gets placed under a microscope. With this context set up by the interviewer it is interesting Mr. Robinson chose to accept the ownership role of the new league in his comment.
Here Is the IGN IPL Interview - Note Its Date

This is why I believed Incontrol's involvement consisted of more than just being "a contract employee" as stated by an earlier poster.


Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league."

Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league."

Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals.

For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."

But honestly, we could just ask the guy.

HEY INCONTROL, do you have any ownership or stake in the NASL?






JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 02:06:14
June 26 2011 02:05 GMT
#648
On June 26 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:
Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league."
Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league."
Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals.
For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."


nice long winded giant stretch..... but hey its entertaining if nothing else.
it becomes harder to make that stretch because of context.

but let's follow this stretch because you are trying hard!

if this is the case then the previous posters comment that Mr. Robinson is some far off arm's length parrot repeating whatever company line they feed him IS INCORRECT. Mr. Robinson is then an active participant in the NASL.

Therefore, the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money comes to us not from a paid actor reciting voice lines by rote but an active integral member of the NASL team.

With the laundry list of past issues (already acknowledged in this thread) it is up to Mr. Robinson to perform due diligence in verifying the content of any NASL announcements he made.

With Mr. Robinson's acknowledged poor track record of judgement previous co-workers in projects
(Louder with GosuCoaching ; MysteryMan with GosuGuide, etc etc etc). The lack of a major hardware manufacturer sponsor. The volatility in NASL so far. I believe it is reasonable for me to be skeptical about the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money.

Notice I did not say Mr. Robinson is a bank robber about to take down Chase-Manhatten Bank on 40th street. All i said was that it is reasonable to be skeptical.

With this healthy skepticism in mind let's find out if 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money is still on the table or if this has changed. Let's add this question as well.

As we already know.. a great deal about NASL has changed since mid-April and therefore it is reasonable to ask the above question as well.

So I'll add some bold type for a similar dramatic effect as in your post.
Are 3 Seasons with $400,000 In Prize Money Still On The Schedule or has this changed?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 04:07:31
June 26 2011 04:06 GMT
#649
On June 26 2011 11:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:
Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league."
Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league."
Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals.
For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."


nice long winded giant stretch..... but hey its entertaining if nothing else.
it becomes harder to make that stretch because of context.

but let's follow this stretch because you are trying hard!

if this is the case then the previous posters comment that Mr. Robinson is some far off arm's length parrot repeating whatever company line they feed him IS INCORRECT. Mr. Robinson is then an active participant in the NASL.

Therefore, the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money comes to us not from a paid actor reciting voice lines by rote but an active integral member of the NASL team.

With the laundry list of past issues (already acknowledged in this thread) it is up to Mr. Robinson to perform due diligence in verifying the content of any NASL announcements he made.

With Mr. Robinson's acknowledged poor track record of judgement previous co-workers in projects
(Louder with GosuCoaching ; MysteryMan with GosuGuide, etc etc etc). The lack of a major hardware manufacturer sponsor. The volatility in NASL so far. I believe it is reasonable for me to be skeptical about the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money.

Notice I did not say Mr. Robinson is a bank robber about to take down Chase-Manhatten Bank on 40th street. All i said was that it is reasonable to be skeptical.

With this healthy skepticism in mind let's find out if 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money is still on the table or if this has changed. Let's add this question as well.

As we already know.. a great deal about NASL has changed since mid-April and therefore it is reasonable to ask the above question as well.

So I'll add some bold type for a similar dramatic effect as in your post.
Are 3 Seasons with $400,000 In Prize Money Still On The Schedule or has this changed?

On June 26 2011 11:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:
Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league."
Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league."
Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals.
For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."


nice long winded giant stretch..... but hey its entertaining if nothing else.
it becomes harder to make that stretch because of context.

but let's follow this stretch because you are trying hard!

if this is the case then the previous posters comment that Mr. Robinson is some far off arm's length parrot repeating whatever company line they feed him IS INCORRECT. Mr. Robinson is then an active participant in the NASL.

Therefore, the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money comes to us not from a paid actor reciting voice lines by rote but an active integral member of the NASL team.

With the laundry list of past issues (already acknowledged in this thread) it is up to Mr. Robinson to perform due diligence in verifying the content of any NASL announcements he made.

With Mr. Robinson's acknowledged poor track record of judgement previous co-workers in projects
(Louder with GosuCoaching ; MysteryMan with GosuGuide, etc etc etc). The lack of a major hardware manufacturer sponsor. The volatility in NASL so far. I believe it is reasonable for me to be skeptical about the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money.

Notice I did not say Mr. Robinson is a bank robber about to take down Chase-Manhatten Bank on 40th street. All i said was that it is reasonable to be skeptical.

With this healthy skepticism in mind let's find out if 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money is still on the table or if this has changed. Let's add this question as well.

As we already know.. a great deal about NASL has changed since mid-April and therefore it is reasonable to ask the above question as well.

So I'll add some bold type for a similar dramatic effect as in your post.
Are 3 Seasons with $400,000 In Prize Money Still On The Schedule or has this changed?



It's not a stretch at all man. It's actually really normal.

I'll use an analogy that you'll understand. It's like saying, "Hey man, you should come over to my place!" instead of "Hey man, you should come over to the basement of my parent's house where I live in rent-free squalor. Be really quiet or I'll get in trouble!"

I've interviewed people before. People always take credit for things that they are only contributing to. And they always up-sell what they do, and themselves.

I can understand your skepticism regarding the NASL. I really do. But I still don't see how InControl is responsible for their financial situation, or what you gain by speculating and starting rumors about it.

You're barking up the wrong tree, dude.






onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
June 26 2011 04:27 GMT
#650
LOL I think this is just a polite way of putting things. You think they would keep him and let Day9 just sit by the wayside?!?!?! COME ON!!! I wonder how long Gretorp will stick around?
Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
June 26 2011 04:28 GMT
#651
i always thought incontrol was the boss of NASL or something. so since i'm ignorant in this respect, who runs the NASL?
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 04:43:31
June 26 2011 04:40 GMT
#652
On June 26 2011 13:06 Defacer wrote:

It's not a stretch at all man. It's actually really normal.
You're barking up the wrong tree, dude.


i am not claiming he has to personally pay the prize money.

i am claiming every persons credibility is at stake for the things they promise. its not like he is a voice actor reciting a script.

in the future should Mr. Robinson promise something big.. or be the spokesperson for some other endeavour previous track record comes into play....
that is the cold hard reality we live in.

he called it "my league" the interviewer cautioned him about his words getting misinterpreted.

let's see if the 2 questions placed in bold get answered.

I'm glad you've acknowledged its reasonable to be skeptical about the $400,000 in prize money though

interesting times ahead!
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 26 2011 04:52 GMT
#653
On June 26 2011 13:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 13:06 Defacer wrote:

It's not a stretch at all man. It's actually really normal.
You're barking up the wrong tree, dude.



he called it "my league" the interviewer cautioned him about his words getting mininterpreted.

let's see if the 2 questions placed in bold get answered.

I'm glad you've acknowledged its reasonable to be skeptical about the $400,000 in prize money though


I think it was ambitious to guarantee three seasons, yes. They would be better off investing in improving the production of a second season than guaranteeing a third. And personally, I wouldn't hold that against them if they did.

benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
June 26 2011 05:10 GMT
#654
On June 26 2011 10:00 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 03:11 floor exercise wrote:
On June 26 2011 02:10 Defacer wrote:
On June 26 2011 01:50 floor exercise wrote:


I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.



I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.

Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?

Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?

Have you ever taught a class?

Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?

Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.






Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.

My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.

On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.

You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.

On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.

The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D


So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.

Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.

InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.

In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.

Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.






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Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 07:07:08
June 26 2011 07:05 GMT
#655
On June 26 2011 03:11 floor exercise wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 26 2011 02:10 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 01:50 floor exercise wrote:


I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.



I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.

Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?

Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?

Have you ever taught a class?

Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?

Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.






Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.

My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.

On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.

You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.

On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.

The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D


Hahaha. Great post. The best bit is seeing other people take it seriously... I love people with an inability to recognise when comedy is occuring.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 26 2011 07:41 GMT
#656
On June 26 2011 13:28 Malgrif wrote:
i always thought incontrol was the boss of NASL or something. so since i'm ignorant in this respect, who runs the NASL?


i believe xeris runs nasl. along with a mystery donor who guaranteed at least 3 seasons with $400,000 in the bank.

But I get the feeling that it'll last 2 seasons and then stop. It's just not really doing so hot and I feel as if it NEEDS a dramatic change in direction. someone to save NASL and bring it to the top.

first...get rid of the looooooooooong season schedule. it really isn't helping in the quality of games; it also has led to many walkovers.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 07:49:36
June 26 2011 07:46 GMT
#657
On June 26 2011 16:05 Swede wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 03:11 floor exercise wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 26 2011 02:10 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 01:50 floor exercise wrote:


I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.



I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.

Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?

Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?

Have you ever taught a class?

Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?

Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.






Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.

My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.

On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.

You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.

On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.

The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D


Hahaha. Great post. The best bit is seeing other people take it seriously... I love people with an inability to recognise when comedy is occuring.


When people have nothing left to say, they get cute.

I'm more than willing to believe his testimony that he's a failure and a douche.


Rotzbub
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1 Post
June 26 2011 09:05 GMT
#658
I like it! He did a great job at NASL but i think the longer he was casting the less good he played sc 2. I followed his stream alot and even if i´m just a Silverleague-noob i could see that his skilllevel was suffering. The last streams on his channel where mostly 4 gate or loss . I´m absolutly sure he can do better because he already did. I will miss him at NASL but i´d preffere to see him play awsome games. What about changing to 90% gaming and just 10% casting!?!

That should be it for my first post... no just one more thing: "GO GEOFF GO!"
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 26 2011 09:40 GMT
#659
On June 26 2011 16:41 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 13:28 Malgrif wrote:
i always thought incontrol was the boss of NASL or something. so since i'm ignorant in this respect, who runs the NASL?


i believe xeris runs nasl. along with a mystery donor who guaranteed at least 3 seasons with $400,000 in the bank.

But I get the feeling that it'll last 2 seasons and then stop. It's just not really doing so hot and I feel as if it NEEDS a dramatic change in direction. someone to save NASL and bring it to the top.

first...get rid of the looooooooooong season schedule. it really isn't helping in the quality of games; it also has led to many walkovers.


Xeris is some kind of producer/manager.

I believe Russ (from Gosucoaching?) is the owner. Unless Xeris is secretly a trust fund baby with money to burn; who also likes running around trying to figure out where the hell PainUser is in his free time.




karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
June 26 2011 09:42 GMT
#660
On June 26 2011 10:00 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 03:11 floor exercise wrote:
On June 26 2011 02:10 Defacer wrote:
On June 26 2011 01:50 floor exercise wrote:


I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.



I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.

Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?

Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?

Have you ever taught a class?

Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?

Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.






Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.

My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.

On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.

You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.

On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.

The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D


So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.

Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.

InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.

In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.

Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.



It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.

No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
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