Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson leaves the us-american topleague NASL. One of the most important persons behind the project, who promoted it in february, will not be part of the team after NASL Season 1.
He told this decision after his NASL-cast yesterday. In the future he will performe as a pro-player, no more as a caster, and therefore he is switching to the EG pro-gaming house. He is also planing to compete in "awesome" international events like the DreamHack or the HSC3.
What this means for the NASL is completly obscure. As iNcontroL wrote above the second season is safe. He will also make some guest apperances.
there absolutely will be a season 2!!
I even spoke about how gretorp will continue casting alongside other casters and I will make guest appearances.
nooooo! iNcontroL was seriously the best part about the NASL... gonna be hard to find a caster (and general e-sportsman) good enough to replace him IMO.
good for him... geoff has done incredible things for the community but cant wait to see him buckle down and start practicing hardcore like in the past. plus then we can see him roll over the nerds who doubt his skill
I know he wants to focus on gaming more, so more power to him. Do what you need to do Geoff. As for the NASL, who cares? There are plenty of good casters and people out there to do this. He is a good caster and fun to listen to, but there are others that I am sure would jump right in.
On June 24 2011 10:55 Complete wrote: They already guaranteed 4 seasons.
They guaranted 3 seasons (1+2 with 100.000 US-Dollar and season 3 with 200.000 US-Dollar), but a guarante can also be broken, as some esport events showed before (ESWC, ...)
I have a feeling one season nasl is all we're going to get. Personally I wouldn't mind anyway online tournaments aren't interesting anyway especially when it has people from all different servers competing.
Incontrol has been a great to the community and now its going to be fun to watch him devote all of his time to being a player and excelling. Oh and I would love to see Day9 casting in the NASL, that would be so awesome and it would really increase it's popularity.
What this means for the NASL is completly obscure. Nobody knows for sure if there will be a second season after this announcement.
I don't really see why this is in the OP? NASL has been greenlit for AT LEAST 3 seasons since day 1 afaik.
Either way, GL to NASL, I personally enjoyed his casting but I think this is for the best, playing professionally while trying to cast something with as many games as NASL is simply too much for anybody IMO.
I think this is best for incontrol. The guy clearly has a passion for playing, and this was drawing him quite thin, both intellectually and physically, but I think the criticism was also getting him emotionally.
I personally liked incontrol's commentary over most of the other NASL casters, so I'm a bit sad but hopefully nasl will bring on some A-list casters for season 2!
Good career move for Geoff, in my opinion. He was great for NASL but there's a number of capable people with less on their plates than him that can pick up where he left off. GL
Hmm I really dont know how long NASL will last to be honest. And when they say leaves NASL, I know he is still infor the second season (correct me if im wrong) does this mean he will not be participating as a player either?
Lol after all that hype he decides to leave, i guess it just wasnt what he expected, it sure as hell wasnt what most of us expected either after the way he hyped it. Although it did improve quite alot over the months.
Best of luck to geoff in his future endevors , im wondering though if hes moving to pheonix is anna going with him? clearly she wouldnt be living in the pro house as i heard sir scoots say there was barely enough room for the players. So im wondering whats going to happen with them ><
Obviously its none of my business but I still am curious, I heard people like Demuslim will be spending a month or so at a time at the pro house, maybe geoff plans to do something more like that. More like bootcamp training in intervals ^^
On June 24 2011 10:53 m0s1n0 wrote: What this means for the NASL is completly obscure. Nobody knows for sure if there will be a second season after this announcement.
Do you really think InControl was the only thing keeping NASL together?
The playoffs have really started to generate interest and financially they are backed for 3 seasons.
I have a hard time believe it all falls apart w/o him (I was always a little fuzzy on this, but was he even a partner for them? I assumed he was employed by them).
Good idea imo, he definatly has potential but just got way too bogged down in other stuff i think, best of luck cant wait to see the new improved practised geoff :D
On June 24 2011 10:53 m0s1n0 wrote: What this means for the NASL is completly obscure. Nobody knows for sure if there will be a second season after this announcement.
Do you really think InControl was the only thing keeping NASL together?
The playoffs have really started to generate interest and financially they are backed for 3 seasons.
I have a hard time believe it all falls apart w/o him (I was always a little fuzzy on this, but was he even a partner for them? I assumed he was employed by them).
There are some rumors going on about this. The NASL has no major partners that are known and iNcontroL was the person promoting the league in february, which gave him a really strong position regarding to the league.
I really hope that the league is going on and i trust in the guarantes about the next two seaons, but i am not sure if the league will consist after the three seasons, because i think financially it will be hard, even if the stream-views are raising.
I don't know if iNcontroL is reading this or not, but if he is:
You were a really good caster, but I understand your decision. You won't be as good at StarCraft 2 as you can possibly be unless you devote yourself to it. Doing other things like casting surely gets in the way of that. I'm actually quite happy for you that you made this decision. I think it's a good one. Gl hf man!
I'm a big fan of INcontrol, just not so much as a caster (maybe with more of a stronger production value and partner at his side aka DJ Wheat or Day9). However, I wish him good luck at new endeavors@
As much as I will miss Incontrol casting the NASL, it will be absolutely fantastic to see him put more effort and time into his progaming career. Would've loved to see him compete in this Dreamhack Summer and the HSC III.
As much as I love iNcontroL as a caster, I hate to see really talented players have their competitive career decline due to other endeavors. It makes me feel like they aren't getting the opportunity to shine because they need to do so many other things to support themselves which cuts into their practice time, and that's a shame.
I will definitely miss him as an NASL caster but overall I think I am happy about this because I can't wait to see what iNcontroL can do with sufficient practice time, considering how good he was in Brood War and how good he has been in SC2 with limited practice time.
As a side note, NASL needs to get a really good caster in order to maintain their viewership I think. iNcontroL is the kind of guy that draws attention to whatever he does and I feel like they need to bring in someone with personality who will draw the same attention. Anyways best of luck iNcontroL and NASL, personally I will continue to watch and support both of you =)
Good for his carreer, bad for the viewers. I've been laughing out loud so much following season one, because incontrol really hits the right spots when it comes to humor. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I really missed the days when InControl was not able to cast, so i really hope his appearances will be frequent. Can not wait to see who will be the replacement, i hope it will be someone great!
Recently, I had wondering about a lot of players who also work as casters. It seems too hard to juggle both and be successful at both. They each require a lot of work. I'm glad incontrol chose to focus on improving his game, though I enjoyed his casting a lot.
I wish Day9 would focus more on competitive play as well, but honestly I don't see that happening any time soon because he has had so much success doing what he has been doing.
But anyways, good luck to incontrol and nasl both! I hope they continue to do well and improve
I am definitely glad for Geoff but honestly he was a major factor in me watching NASL over other streams. I'm really curious to see who they replace him with, I have a feeling it will be hard to find someone that is anywhere near as articulate and funny as Geoff while still having great game knowledge.
I hope he has better luck with progaming than he has in the past. He and Idra were the best casters there, they were really intelligent and didn't 'dumb down' the game for the purpose of artificial excitement.
Damn this is sad news. I prefer him as a caster (only cause I'm a racist Zerg player)... He was the best caster on NASL for sure and his chemistry with Gretorp was awesome! Miss you Geoff!
As a fan of iNcontroL, I am delighted to hear this. His individual performance have been suffering because casting NASL and going on shows take too much time away from him. At the end, Geoff decided that before he is a caster or show host, he is a pro gamer, and I am excited that he made the right choice.
Xtremely sad to see Incontrol go. I think he did an awesome job as a commentator and really put NASL in the right direction. Hope to see him make many guest appearances. Him and Gretorp made the NASL what it is and both are excellent commentators. I hope he does well in progaming. He is very talented. I hope he does return to SOTG :3
It figures. Now that further association with NASL can only hurt him, he flees to make a vain attempt at propping up his barely-there pro player career. I look forward to another "I respect you sir, please accept these photon cannons" moment.
Geoff is an awesome guy in the SC2 community and eSports in general. His decision makes sense since he often talks about wanting to be a player instead of jumping around projects (SotG, NASL, ITG, etc).
I'm so sad that Geoff won't be casting any more, but I'm SO happy that he's going to be devoting even more time to playing. Geoff loves this game so much, and I know that he can continue to build upon the success he's had to become an even more amazing player! Geoff hwaiting!
Incontrol and Gretorp were quickly becoming an awesome duo, hopefully there will be someone who can fill incontrol's role well. NASL will be fine though, Gretorp has improved immensely and can be a good anchor for whoever they decide to pair up with him.
Good decision if he wants to take gaming seriously; focus on the important stuff and keep casting as a side project. You did awesome things for NASL season 1 but now it is time to win NASL season 2!
On June 24 2011 11:19 Stark1 wrote: It figures. Now that further association with NASL can only hurt him, he flees to make a vain attempt at propping up his barely-there pro player career. I look forward to another "I respect you sir, please accept these photon cannons" moment.
I think this is a completely unfair and uncalled for misrepresentation of Geoff's character. He is one of the classiest, funniest, and kindest guys around, and he truly loves starcraft.
Geoff, if you are reading this, good luck to you. I hope your game excels and you win some tournaments.
If you want my opinion, I say stick to casting NASL and other gigs like talk shows n such, even though they are time consuming. I'm thinking that in order to make a living off pro gaming, you need to win a decent amount of tournies and make money off streams. But this is not easy to do since there are so many top players competing for prizes. However, you have an excellent on-air personality that is an asset that many would dream of having, and you can use that to make a great living casting n such. You have a lot of fans so either way GL to you.
inControl gets more time to practice and focus on being a player so this is good news overall. Also, we get confirmation that we still get Gretorp next season which is more good news.
Well, this was sort of to be expected ever since he dropped SotG, I mean it would be sort of useless for him to save himself 2 hours a week for practice and still be spending like 15+ hours on NASL, gl as a player iNcontrol.
Awesome! iNcontroL is such an interesting character it will be nice to see what he does now that he has more time to focus on playing the game and improving.
The current casters for NASL are downright abysmal imo, knowing that Inc isn't coming back just makes it that much harder to want to keep up with the league. I hope this works out well for him because I'm a fan, but I really am worried about NASL until I see some stable and professional casting. Best of luck in those tournaments Inc.
Good luck iNcontroL! You are a great caster, with a good mix of knowledge and humor, you will be missed. On the other hand I am excited to see what you got when you can focus more of your time on playing competitively. Shall be interesting, we will have to see what happens along the way.
edit: Will you be streaming more often? I never seem to be around when you are....
This decision pains me as it's like watching someone you like make bad choices. I'm sorry but Geoff isn't a community mega star because of his stellar performances as a professional player. He's beloved because of who he is, his personality and what he brings to the community through shows like SOTG and being an entertaining caster.
I felt him leaving SOTG was a bad choice because its basically the platform that launched him to fame in STARCRAFT 2 (we all know Geoff was known by the small foreigner BW people). Now leaving the NASL is just #2 in the bad decisions he's made.
I understand he wants to be a top level player and competition is his passion but at some level you have to be wise about your options and future. Retracting into the bowels of competitive play when you have the entire SC2 community spotlight is just a terrible decision.
Geoff should embrace his role as an esports ambassador and excelling community member, that is where he will 'make it'. Does Geoff think hes gained so much fame and notoriety, commercial deals and casting jobs because of his playing skills? Does he think he's being invited to intel panels and traveling on company dimes because he's a top player? Let's be real...
Anyway, I wish him all the luck as a player. EG was one of my favorite teams pre-starcraft. I just think these moves he's been making to reduce his community involvement to focus on playing more are foolish.
edit: I know this post sounds harsh like I'm an incontrol hater but nothing could be further from the truth. I will cheer incontrol on throughout his gaming career and root for EG almost always. It's just hard to see someone come so far from the obscurity of brood war to toss aside some really great opportunities because they want to be a 'champ.' What I just posted about incontrol I would say to my best friend if the situation existed.
It's possible that there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we aren't aware of, then again it's possible that incontrol simply felt like he couldn't be a top tier player (which seems to be his main aspiration) and do all the nasl stuff so he cut out the dead weight.
In his current condition, hes not a top tier player. I'm not trying to pile on incontrol or anything but if you watch his games he does seem to over rely on gimmicky play. His 4th place at mlg dallas was a good result but if you look at his path there it's honestly a bit of a fluke. I don't think he can consistently beat top tier players in standard games and that's the reality for him right now. He probably feels it too otherwise he wouldn't be taking this action.
This is the best thing for all parties. Incontrol is a decent caster but not exactly Tastosis standard so I'm sure NASL can replace him and all these distractions are obviously limiting his practice time. If he were to really go for it in the practice house he could probably become the best Protoss in NA (ignoring Huk).
If they put two top of the line casters into their league, NASL would be a much bigger hit. Day9 + DJwheat or something. The quality of games (when not walkovers) are good... just needs that caster swagger.
I love that he is leaving. Glad even. I'd rather he focus as a player and not waste his potential. Very excited to see the results of these NA based team houses.
I like this because Geoff is an amazing player, and he hasn't been playing as well overall as he potentially could be because he was focusing so little time on staying awesome at playing professionally.
Sorry to see you go iNcontroL I really, REALLY enjoyed the casting you and Gretorp did for the regular season. The humor you and him instill in the quality casting made it an extremely entertaining, and to be frank, really brought my interest in competitive eSports to a boil. I'm very sad to see you go, I will look forward to your guest appearances very much. Good luck competing! As a Zerg player, you're the protoss I most wish to succeed.
This is good news IMO, and I honestly expected it. Incontrol helped out by bringing in viewers and hyping it (lol) and now he gets to focus on being a player. Good luck Geoff! I think this is a good decision for you.
I will miss his humor in his casts though. At least he will probably cast in some other things like the EGMC.
to crms. i don't think inControl is in it for the fame. he just wants to compete as a pro. sotg was great with incontrol but the only reason he quit was to have more time for the game.
Awww IncontroL was my favorite part of NASL and the main reason I actually still watched. He's a damn good commentator in my opinion, but I understand needing more time if you want to be a competitive pro, so best of luck Geoff!
Good, tired of him trying to be some sort of "e-sports spokesman" and being stupidly good mannered when he gets raped in tournaments. Tired of that sycophantic act and the implied excuse to be terrible.
Makes total sense. He has always said he's a player first, and that if there came a time to choose between commentating and playing, he would choose playing. With casting, traveling, coaching, doing different shows, my guess is he just didn't feel like he had enough time to play. Casting is probably the least important of all these things (and the most time consuming).
I'm a big iNcontroL fan, but I'm not sure him withdrawing from so much of the casting and podcast side of things is a good idea.
I'm a fan of iNcontroL the funny guy with interesting opinions and discussions etc... he's a big personality and stuff. He's not really a championship level of player.
I know he wants to play, and he certainly does it at a competitive level, but I just don't see him ever really winning DreakHack or something. I think he may have a much better career and a larger fanbase continuing to do what he does on all the shows and casting.
I'll certainly miss him on NASL and SotG, best of luck in his playing career, but I hope he stays visible in some way
Incontrol is inferior compared to most of any players in the NA scene currently,him getting spots at majour tournaments,being in the biggest esport organization seemed really absurd and flawed.Its up to him now
Sad news for sure. As i agree with what he wants as to be a pro gamer instead. But i think it feels a little weird for me only because he drove and worked/hyped the NASL so hardcore. Hopefully NASL runs as strong, if not stronger when he leaves! Good luck Geoff, i will be rooting for ya!
I'm happy to hear that, as much as I think iNcontroL loves doing extracirricular activities of casting, traveling for business events, and attending podcasts, his heart and soul is still all about the game he loves. Go go go!
I am actually happy for him. I never really watch NASL, so if he gets more time to practice, that means we should see him getting a lot better. Go back to SotG though!
Good luck InControl ... always enjoyed his commentary and hosting on State of the Game, but part of me respects him even more as a competitor, considering he's willing to give up what really is a great and unique opportunity to be a pro.
I always thought Inc was spreading himself too thin with casting, being a well known face at mlg/wcg/everything else + all the coaching + all the other little (or not so little) stuff like being on stog most every week...didn't leave the time for him to be all he could be as a player in my opinion but now he can do that which is awesome.
Sad news for me, as i love the way you cast. I think you have the perfect blend between game understanding and charisma. But i'd like to say you are doing something very brave. You are exchanging something good and certain for a chance at something harder but more valuable to you.
I wish you the best, and whatever happens, i'm sure the casting world (and us, your audience) will take you back should it come to that
It's nice that he wants to focus on being a pro player, and wish the best for him.
I can only hope this may also be the resurrection of pre-nasl iNcontroL personaility, and that he'll be less worried about his public image. I miss the old iNcontroL : /
I think it's an excellent choice from incontrol to focus more on his playing career. Yeah he'll be sorely missed at the casting station but I think he still has much more to give as a player and it would've been a shame to see him lose focus and determination through other obligations. I wish you all the best and hope to see you kick some nerd ass in future tournaments!
I will always respect someone who is willing to give its best to improve as a player! The EG clanhouse is a great initiative, so it is worth to dive in in this opportunity. If it all fails, there will always be room for casting again. GL!
Geoff has a talent for extracting himself from situations when he feels that he's no longer making a positive impact. .... With gosu coaching, gosu camp, etc. - all instances where geoff displayed mature, professional and responsible qualities by leaving because he felt that, in his opinion, his best interests were elsewhere and therefor he wouldn't be able to continue effectively.
geoff is going to be alot better of a gamer now that he has so much more time + EG House to train. I can't wait to beat you in the finals of MLG road island lol <3
This was kind of a given after the announce of the EG team house and that Geoff was moving there. Since that's in AZ and NASL is in CA, it could be easily assumed he wouldn't be casting Season 2, full time at least.
I do think it's a good move for Geoff. The casting booth will be there later. He can obviously compete at a high level, so he should take the opportunity to do it. Win a few things, then he can make everyone laugh all over the place. Chief Moon will wait!
I'm not really interested in NASL as much as MLG DH and GSL. For some reason it doesn't give me that "spark" I guess I like the live aspect of tournaments more, NASL is truly not live because they cut out parts and one moment you would see a caster then the next moment there would be another caster. 9 Weeks for group stages seems too long, and I feel like I just wanted the season to be over after those 9 weeks. GSL also feels slow during the first week or so but come Round of 8 were pretty much looking at the finals already. I know thats how its probably gonna be for the playoffs though as well.
Best of luck Incontrol! I was not a huge fan of you but maybe this choice will change that.
Gretorp as the main caster for NASL.... so sad. I can completely understand and cheer for iNcontrol pushing to up his game and making the sacrifices necessary to do so, but I wish NASL would also push to improve their game by dumping completely lame casters.
I called this when I heard he was leaving SotG. With the hints he was dropping about moving into the EG house, it just seemed like he wants to fully focus on being a player. He can't do that with casting NASL.
Good luck Geoff in playing the game you love.
And I am eager to see who casts along side Gretorp now. Gretrol will be missed.
On June 24 2011 12:21 Taf the Ghost wrote: This was kind of a given after the announce of the EG team house and that Geoff was moving there. Since that's in AZ and NASL is in CA, it could be easily assumed he wouldn't be casting Season 2, full time at least.
I do think it's a good move for Geoff. The casting booth will be there later. He can obviously compete at a high level, so he should take the opportunity to do it. Win a few things, then he can make everyone laugh all over the place. Chief Moon will wait!
I hope this ends up being the case. I hope he's built himself up enough as a beloved community member that no matter how well he performs as a pro he can always comeback to the casting/podcast/figurehead spotlight. While I already expressed my disagreement with his decision what is done is done and look forward to see EG step it up with the pro house. I hope Machine, Incontrol and Axslav/Strifecro (my fav war3 2v2 team) improve leaps and bounds and become a real power kid team.
I can't say I didn't see this coming. Good move from both parties, Geoff's schedule was just way too harsh for him to retain his same caliber of play and NASL can of course still have him cast every now and then. But people have responded very positively to a lot of the other guest casters as well and it makes for an interesting format. Either way I hope both succeed in their own way, NASL in being profitable and Geoff in winning the next MLG (HWAITING!).
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson leaves the us-american topleague NASL. One of the most important persons behind the project, who promoted it in february, will not be part of the team after NASL Season 1.
He told this decision after his NASL-cast yesterday. In the future he will performe as a pro-player, no more as a caster, and therefore he is switching to the EG pro-gaming house. He is also planing to compete in "awesome" international events like the DreamHack or the HSC3.
What this means for the NASL is completly obscure. As iNcontroL wrote above the second season is safe. He will also make some guest apperances.
This is one of the better moves he's made with his career. Hate to say it, but the same with StoG. Now, Geoff can truly flourish as the player he wants to be with far fewer distractions. My hat goes off to him.
I enjoyed him as a caster he was great. However I also enjoy watching him play, and with his drive to practice. I look forward to watching him at some huge tournaments in the future. Go Geoff!!
Geoff was a great caster and it sucks that he's going but moving into the EG house will make him an even better player can't wait to see what he does in the future and maybe now he can do sotg every once in a while.
Incontrol was like the Captain of the ship that is NASL. Someone put it nicely saying that NASL is a sinking ship/rickety boat with no direction. And now it feels like Inc is jumping ship. The funny thing is that he was the Captain that told everyone to get on board in the first place. Remember all the hype he created? Well it fell flat and now he is leaving T_T
I just feel sorry for NASL and I hope it gets another caster and gets some badly needed help.
On June 24 2011 10:57 Markwerf wrote: I have a feeling one season nasl is all we're going to get. Personally I wouldn't mind anyway online tournaments aren't interesting anyway especially when it has people from all different servers competing.
Yeah......... An online tournament featuring players from ALL different servers competing....I.... I will never understand some people. To me, NASL is one of the more awesome things in existence today..... I.... I dont WANT to understand some people. Please, DO NOT explain. I dont want to hear it.
This is really a great move by Geoff. He'll be the first one to tell you he's not performing to the best of his abilities, and this will help him improve immensely.
On one hand, commentators with top notch skill (grand master league) gives us so much insight and adds a lot into the game. However doing so will also eat into their practice schedule and they may eventually fall in ranks.
Why? Both incontrol and gretorp make the whole show see too distant to people who know little about the game. All the inside jokes, how they interact, ect ect.
Seeing as I haven't paid for this season, I can't exactly state this in their chat.
However, the two casters whom were casting in place of gretorp and incontrol, they were WONDERFUL. Really. I enjoyed listening to them, and many others without a starcraft 2 background would. This is what the nasl and esports in general needs.
On June 24 2011 10:56 iNcontroL wrote: there absolutely will be a season 2!!
I even spoke about how gretorp will continue casting alongside other casters and I will make guest appearances.
We are also running a qualifier atm for season 2... please fix OP
Glad you're getting the chance to buckle down and get some serious practice time in. While it's kind of a bummer to see you stepping out of the community spotlight, I'm excited to see some more tourney results 8)
♥ You'll be missed Geoff. Hopefully we'll still see just as much of you however, holding those trophies above your head and snapping the backs of nerds on the way there ^_^
I would love to see him cast; but if this means he will dedicate more time to his pro-gaming career and he wants to perform better, good luck Geoff! We love you, and we only wish you the best!
Geoff is an incredibly talented player. He does well in most tournaments he enters even though he plays half as much as other top players due to all the Social interaction/Casting/Content Providing. If he focuses full time on playing, he should do very well =)
I would rather see him do well as a player than as a caster.
Also, personally I don't like the NASL. All I know is that NASL stole precious hours of Geoff's stream that I tuned into before he went to NASL Good luck Geoff!
probably a good move for both parties, NASL needs casters that are better at casting, and incontrol needs more time to practice.
i would LOVE to see more casting from mister bitter, an occasional guest cast from idra (when he isn't busy) and more casting from moletrap and diggity (as a pair) if they can as well...
He will be missed dearly, but he knows what he wants to be doing and that is to be competing with having to cast. Definitely so super excited to see what he post in tourneys now.
why would there be a warning about this??? he could be just saying it's nice that incontrol is obviously committing focus on gaming and not losing focus be split too apart. it's good!!
This will be interesting, I wish him the best of luck however I feel that he would be betters suited (from what I've seen personally) as a commentator/player then a full time player. However, in a pro house, anything can be accomplished. Maybe we have only yet dawned on this superstars talent. Let's all give him a chance!
I can only hope this means a better performance by iNcontroL next season as he is one of my favorite Toss players and I still hope to see Day[9] play in this next season
why would there be a warning about this??? he could be just saying it's nice that incontrol is obviously committing focus on gaming and not losing focus be split too apart. it's good!!
As a 1st post, clarity should be given from the OP with a sentence at least.
why would there be a warning about this??? he could be just saying it's nice that incontrol is obviously committing focus on gaming and not losing focus be split too apart. it's good!!
maybe because the post is a one word post? you read the rules right? They want quality posts not one word crap.
Take away the professional goals like being a lead caster or one of the best players in the world, I believe personally this was the best choice Incontrol could make. He gets to live with some of his best mates in the EG house and possibly even with Anna. Machine let slip that Incontrol was going to stay in the EG house in an MLG interview and he mentioned Anna as well. Living away from friends and family for such an extended period of time for someone as outgoing and social as Incontrol would've been tough.
Looking forward to see the EG house get up and running
This is a great decision for incontrol. He has said multiple times he plans on taking his playing more seriously and this is exactly the type of move he has to make to do that.
It is good news for the foreign community when teams like EG and Reign and FXO seem to be taking a much more serious approach to team play and are making legitimate team houses where training is number 1.
Its unfortunate that iNcontroL will not be casting the NASL anymore, it was fun watching him and Gretorp build a great chemistry together. But on the upside we get to see the player we love dominate even more than he already was. iNcontroL Fighting!!!
I'm kind of glad he is leaving his casting position. He is a fantastic player and with the newly found time and the move to the EG pro house he will be in top shape for tournaments. Best of luck incontrol
I like that incontrol is going to be playing more, because I like watching him play but I feel like he is NASL Not only is he a great caster but he really holds the whole thing together.
It'll be great to see incontrol compete. I don't enjoy NASL as much as the other tournaments but I have nothing bad to say about his or gretorps casting and thought they worked very well together. It'll be strange to see season 2 without him, but.. it'll be great to see incontrol compete.
Win! Sooo happy for this. I watched so many games muted because of his pompous attitude. Gretorp still gets on my nerves, but at least this leaves a slot for a better caster.
It's good for iNcontroL that he can focus more on playing pro, but i dont see this as the end of the world for NASL. You guys said they are backed for 3 seasons, and this is just one guy who is leaving the organization. NASL started off rough but has improved a lot IMO since they started. They are having the finals at a live location which is great, and I think this will generate some more interest. Also the upcoming break gives them a good chance to look at season 1 and look on more things to work on. Some things were a bit out of control (players not showing up for matches is not NASL's fault), but others were (stream crashing, possible online lag). I'm very happy that they're about to complete their first season and I'm excited to see more sc2 action from them.
A live studio for regular season matches would be sick, but I think they're gonna need to get more interest and draw in more money before that. You gotta take one step at a time.
Somehow I expected this to happen, and even commented with my bro Guess commentating and staying on top of your game are really hard to get them to work together.
good luck NASL and good luck to incontrol to improve his game. its been really bad of late imo. other than that, i vote for Day[9] to cast for NASL woot woot
Watching his stream, if you would see how his playskill went way down. Right now, he is making noob micro mistakes left and right. the thing is he can't compete with people woh practice 7-8 hours a day if he only does like 3. I support this decesion since I loved his more ass a player than a full time caster.
Gonna miss gretorp/incontrol combo but hopefully the season gets even better next year with all of the new casters. But I really think NASL need to find a specific partnership and not just keep bringing in a new wingman for gretorp every week.
Sad times I actually grew to really like Incontrol's casting. That said I guess it will help him focus on being a player so I can see why he made the decision.
NASL lost a great person, but at the same time its a good movie by incontrol. This will mean he should be able to improve as a player as he has less commitments from other things.
I truly appreciate all the words of support guys.. means a lot.
A lot have speculated on my decision to leave and talked about how I am giving up something I am better at (commentating or being a public persona etc) and I fully understand those perspectives. I haven't won any major tourneys and while I have had decent showings and done fairly well in other events (Cw's, ladder, online tourneys etc..) none of it is top-notch. I want to be top-notch. I am happiest when I am playing better and better. I love being a leader and speaking to people on large platforms but that is not my guiding light.. playing at the highest level is.
When I move into the house with IdrA/Machine/iNkA and then move into the EG house roughly in August (Maybe July) I will be going there to commit myself to be the best player I can be. That means I will train harder and more than I ever have. I will utilize my team and friends like I have only when I stayed in korea for a week with IdrA (Where I nearly doubled in skill). Anna will move in with us as well and really jump-start her eSports career by hosting content, helping manage our team and doing other entrepreneurial activities.
I will still do Inside the Game. I will still be a guest on SOTG and various other shows like TL Attack and Kings of Tin. I will still have an opinion and I will still strive to grow and improve this community. I will simply have more time to do those things WHILE spending more time than ever focusing my time and energy on becoming the best I can.
I want to commentate in the future as I enjoy it and think I can contribute there as well. But living in Ontario and being relied on to cast every day for 7 or more hours is a LOT to ask.. especially given my true desire to be a top level player.
I will have 3 weeks to train hard core for MLG Anaheim. After that, every MLG will be a target. NASL season 2 (as a player) will be a target. And my dream of going to the EU will become true.. but I will go as the best iNcontroL I can possibly go as! And I hope everyone can get on board with that!
I truly appreciate all the words of support guys.. means a lot.
A lot have speculated on my decision to leave and talked about how I am giving up something I am better at (commentating or being a public persona etc) and I fully understand those perspectives. I haven't won any major tourneys and while I have had decent showings and done fairly well in other events (Cw's, ladder, online tourneys etc..) none of it is top-notch. I want to be top-notch. I am happiest when I am playing better and better. I love being a leader and speaking to people on large platforms but that is not my guiding light.. playing at the highest level is.
When I move into the house with IdrA/Machine/iNkA and then move into the EG house roughly in August (Maybe July) I will be going there to commit myself to be the best player I can be. That means I will train harder and more than I ever have. I will utilize my team and friends like I have only when I stayed in korea for a week with IdrA (Where I nearly doubled in skill). Anna will move in with us as well and really jump-start her eSports career by hosting content, helping manage our team and doing other entrepreneurial activities.
I will still do Inside the Game. I will still be a guest on SOTG and various other shows like TL Attack and Kings of Tin. I will still have an opinion and I will still strive to grow and improve this community. I will simply have more time to do those things WHILE spending more time than ever focusing my time and energy on becoming the best I can.
I want to commentate in the future as I enjoy it and think I can contribute there as well. But living in Ontario and being relied on to cast every day for 7 or more hours is a LOT to ask.. especially given my true desire to be a top level player.
I will have 3 weeks to train hard core for MLG Anaheim. After that, every MLG will be a target. NASL season 2 (as a player) will be a target. And my dream of going to the EU will become true.. but I will go as the best iNcontroL I can possibly go as! And I hope everyone can get on board with that!
Cool, sounds reasonable enough ! Will enjoy hearing you cast again sometime. Best of luck, and best of luck in MLG.
Sad to hear, he is definitely one of the best english casters. But hes a good player too and i can understand his wish to compete fulltime again. Good luck in the future inc, you're amazing.
Looking forward to seeing more high-rankings from Geoff in the future, and I take it this means more streaming as well, so I'm definitely stoked for this! And is Anna really taking up ESports full-time? If so, good for her, but it worries me a little bit as to simply making a living and such. Probably worrying too much though.
Shame I enjoyed seeing him as a caster. Its a fair enough response though, as NASL limited him to going to many international events and he wants to become a top tier player again.
He best become the best NA Protoss now >:D. Best of luck Incontrol!
Umm... what? How exactly is this nice? Not saying it's bad, but I have absolutely no idea what you mean.
Well, obviously Incontrol has a great potential of a competitive gamer, managing to place as high as he did in the MLG with as little practise as he gets with the NASL. So devoting more time into practise than casting, he's become a serious contender, next time Koreans come over to grab the prize money. ^^"
i enjoyed incontrol as a caster. as he was on SoTG, really funny guy who made NASL quite fun to watch.
hopefully freeing up time by leaving SOTG and casting NASL will improve his performance in tournaments and give him the practice time he needs
on another note, i hope they get Gretorp some help though. He casted 25 games per week for the duration of NASL. that's pretty insane. hopefully season 2 will give him some days off lol.
On June 24 2011 14:26 iNcontroL wrote: I truly appreciate all the words of support guys.. means a lot.
A lot have speculated on my decision to leave and talked about how I am giving up something I am better at (commentating or being a public persona etc) and I fully understand those perspectives. I haven't won any major tourneys and while I have had decent showings and done fairly well in other events (Cw's, ladder, online tourneys etc..) none of it is top-notch. I want to be top-notch. I am happiest when I am playing better and better. I love being a leader and speaking to people on large platforms but that is not my guiding light.. playing at the highest level is.
When I move into the house with IdrA/Machine/iNkA and then move into the EG house roughly in August (Maybe July) I will be going there to commit myself to be the best player I can be. That means I will train harder and more than I ever have. I will utilize my team and friends like I have only when I stayed in korea for a week with IdrA (Where I nearly doubled in skill). Anna will move in with us as well and really jump-start her eSports career by hosting content, helping manage our team and doing other entrepreneurial activities.
I will still do Inside the Game. I will still be a guest on SOTG and various other shows like TL Attack and Kings of Tin. I will still have an opinion and I will still strive to grow and improve this community. I will simply have more time to do those things WHILE spending more time than ever focusing my time and energy on becoming the best I can.
I want to commentate in the future as I enjoy it and think I can contribute there as well. But living in Ontario and being relied on to cast every day for 7 or more hours is a LOT to ask.. especially given my true desire to be a top level player.
I will have 3 weeks to train hard core for MLG Anaheim. After that, every MLG will be a target. NASL season 2 (as a player) will be a target. And my dream of going to the EU will become true.. but I will go as the best iNcontroL I can possibly go as! And I hope everyone can get on board with that!
You are the man, I hope to see you in fighting form at future events. Keep on truckin'!
On June 24 2011 14:26 iNcontroL wrote: I truly appreciate all the words of support guys.. means a lot.
A lot have speculated on my decision to leave and talked about how I am giving up something I am better at (commentating or being a public persona etc) and I fully understand those perspectives. I haven't won any major tourneys and while I have had decent showings and done fairly well in other events (Cw's, ladder, online tourneys etc..) none of it is top-notch. I want to be top-notch. I am happiest when I am playing better and better. I love being a leader and speaking to people on large platforms but that is not my guiding light.. playing at the highest level is.
When I move into the house with IdrA/Machine/iNkA and then move into the EG house roughly in August (Maybe July) I will be going there to commit myself to be the best player I can be. That means I will train harder and more than I ever have. I will utilize my team and friends like I have only when I stayed in korea for a week with IdrA (Where I nearly doubled in skill). Anna will move in with us as well and really jump-start her eSports career by hosting content, helping manage our team and doing other entrepreneurial activities.
I will still do Inside the Game. I will still be a guest on SOTG and various other shows like TL Attack and Kings of Tin. I will still have an opinion and I will still strive to grow and improve this community. I will simply have more time to do those things WHILE spending more time than ever focusing my time and energy on becoming the best I can.
I want to commentate in the future as I enjoy it and think I can contribute there as well. But living in Ontario and being relied on to cast every day for 7 or more hours is a LOT to ask.. especially given my true desire to be a top level player.
I will have 3 weeks to train hard core for MLG Anaheim. After that, every MLG will be a target. NASL season 2 (as a player) will be a target. And my dream of going to the EU will become true.. but I will go as the best iNcontroL I can possibly go as! And I hope everyone can get on board with that!
You seriously could not have said this any better. You addressed every issue, and have made everyone know why you are doing this. Geoff, I fully support your decision and I wish you great luck on future tournaments!
Woah. That is... well unexpected. I thought Incontroll was going to go the painuser route. Might be ego thinking here? He was a good commentator. Probably better than he'll ever be a player ( no slight just relative skill levels relative to competition [MC v Total biscuit])
Sounds serious. I expect an amazing result in the future.
good his casting was so subpar, one time he actually said "Im actually pretty excited about this one"
uhhh shouldnt you be excited for all the games? Considering you started the league?
Once they get some real casters that just act as if they are intrested in the games I may go back to watching it but until than ill just glance through the results. Idk why they even have anyone cast it its so bland and boring at times, but than again I just may be spoiled by tasteosis....oh wait no because IPL casting was fine as was HSC, and they could hardly speak english..
I hope you flop hard Incontrol, maybe change your pompous "headier than thou" attitude, but doubt thatll happen. Btw you wouldnt stand a chance at any international tourny
nasl provides several games that could be "tournament finals" 5 nights a week. I love NASL. I hope they find someone who knows as much about the game as incontrol does.
imo this is good, you can definitely see how the performance of most of the players who do a lot of casting and or community work suffers. incontrol is a good caster, but i want to see him play awesome SC2 games.
He is a funny guy and he would do great as an e sports personality like day9, too bad. Pretty sure he left to focus more on progaming. He left SoTG for the same reason
I understand that casting and playing are both full time endeavors in their own right. Inc, best of luck as a player. Still, though, I am going to really miss your casting; you had a real tallent for calling games.
On June 24 2011 14:42 Kracklings wrote: good his casting was so subpar, one time he actually said "Im actually pretty excited about this one"
uhhh shouldnt you be excited for all the games? Considering you started the league?
Once they get some real casters that just act as if they are intrested in the games I may go back to watching it but until than ill just glance through the results. Idk why they even have anyone cast it its so bland and boring at times, but than again I just may be spoiled by tasteosis....oh wait no because IPL casting was fine as was HSC, and they could hardly speak english..
I hope you flop hard Incontrol, maybe change your pompous "headier than thou" attitude, but doubt thatll happen. Btw you wouldnt stand a chance at any international tourny
And best of luck with your gaming career, I know you'll be tearing it up soon enough and when you inevitably make it to MLG Anaheim and NASL season 2, I shall be watchin and cheering on along with the other believers!
It's awesome to see that you have decided to be a full-time player, I see you as one of the best Protoss and I find myself modeling a lot of my play after you. I enjoy your casting but I always felt that if you went full-time you would just rip through the competition, it's great to finally see it happen. Much love and support in your further endeavors brother
While I certainly enjoyed the casts I think it's a bit painful when a good player turns into a caster for a major league that eats up all of his time. I don't know, it feels ( to me at least ) like a dream dying or something. I can't imagine a pro wanting anything else other than being the absolute best at the game, and turning from the guy whose games are talked about to the one that talks about other people's games makes me sad.
So I think this decision is fantastic. GL to you iNcontroL.
On June 24 2011 14:42 Kracklings wrote: good his casting was so subpar, one time he actually said "Im actually pretty excited about this one"
uhhh shouldnt you be excited for all the games? Considering you started the league?
Once they get some real casters that just act as if they are intrested in the games I may go back to watching it but until than ill just glance through the results. Idk why they even have anyone cast it its so bland and boring at times, but than again I just may be spoiled by tasteosis....oh wait no because IPL casting was fine as was HSC, and they could hardly speak english..
I hope you flop hard Incontrol, maybe change your pompous "headier than thou" attitude, but doubt thatll happen. Btw you wouldnt stand a chance at any international tourny
The amount of seemingly unwarranted hate in this thread astounds me. Shouldn't we as a community support someone like iNcontroL who has done a great deal for SC1 and SC2 outside of korea. GL Geoff, looking forward to it!
On June 24 2011 14:26 iNcontroL wrote: I truly appreciate all the words of support guys.. means a lot.
A lot have speculated on my decision to leave and talked about how I am giving up something I am better at (commentating or being a public persona etc) and I fully understand those perspectives. I haven't won any major tourneys and while I have had decent showings and done fairly well in other events (Cw's, ladder, online tourneys etc..) none of it is top-notch. I want to be top-notch. I am happiest when I am playing better and better. I love being a leader and speaking to people on large platforms but that is not my guiding light.. playing at the highest level is.
When I move into the house with IdrA/Machine/iNkA and then move into the EG house roughly in August (Maybe July) I will be going there to commit myself to be the best player I can be. That means I will train harder and more than I ever have. I will utilize my team and friends like I have only when I stayed in korea for a week with IdrA (Where I nearly doubled in skill). Anna will move in with us as well and really jump-start her eSports career by hosting content, helping manage our team and doing other entrepreneurial activities.
I will still do Inside the Game. I will still be a guest on SOTG and various other shows like TL Attack and Kings of Tin. I will still have an opinion and I will still strive to grow and improve this community. I will simply have more time to do those things WHILE spending more time than ever focusing my time and energy on becoming the best I can.
I want to commentate in the future as I enjoy it and think I can contribute there as well. But living in Ontario and being relied on to cast every day for 7 or more hours is a LOT to ask.. especially given my true desire to be a top level player.
I will have 3 weeks to train hard core for MLG Anaheim. After that, every MLG will be a target. NASL season 2 (as a player) will be a target. And my dream of going to the EU will become true.. but I will go as the best iNcontroL I can possibly go as! And I hope everyone can get on board with that!
Nice! I'm more excited after reading this... I think it mostly has to do with the fact that you guys will all be training hard in the team house.
On June 24 2011 15:08 Zirith wrote: Why was that guy warned for saying nice? It is nice, geoff has more time to work on improving his game and day9>??? can cast nasl (fingers crossed)
Of course I'm sure they can find a decent replacement even if it isn't day9.
We try to discourage one word responses, especially if its one of the very first responses as it feels suspiciously like a substitute "first" post.
Geoff is a great caster, and better player. He was in some sort of funk with his play lately and I think it was due to his lack of play, and his casting/promoting. Geoff should be out there winning events, and doing well. Once he's through playing I would love to see Geoff cast, but I'd rather see him excell as a player first.
GL HF to NASL without Geoff, and get Day 9 to do it!
SirScoots hinted as much a few weeks ago in IRC. I'm happy that you'll be in a position to play full time again. Maybe we'll still see you cast a couple single-weekend events that are less detrimental to your training.
Good decision Geoff. I've often wondered how you can cram all the stuff you do (casting, 'talkshows' and coaching) in and still manage to practice enough.
I think you know as well as anyone what it will take to be at the top of the sc2 world alongside the koreans, you've talked about it enough in inside the game, sotg, etc. Mr. Chae summed it up quite nicely in the Inside the Game (or was it live on three?) after MLG Columbus. It's focus. Even at a big tournament they're focussed. They don't care about meeting other players, hanging out, catching up, giving interviews, etc. They just want to win.
I think your knowledge of the game is good, and you're analytical which to me means that if you can pick up your mechanics, you should be in a good spot.
Personally I love to see more of you as a commentator/caster and especially as an extremely entertaining part of whatever programs djWheat comes up with. There are enough good players, but not enough interesting personalities outside of the game. However, I can fully understand your motivation and really hope we'll see you rock at the next MLG.
i think artosis has this same problem (and maybe day9?)... are they a casters? or are they pro-gamers? you can try to be both but it would be doubtful for them to excel at competitive SC2 if they maintain their careers as a casters
Glad to hear this. Casting a tournament that has as many games as the NASL will only be a detriment to any player. Also not a fan of gretorp or incontrol's casting so this is also great news from a viewers standpoint as well.
Whilst i'm sure this was inevitable for someone as competitive as Geoff, i'm disappointed with this news.
iNcontrol was an amazing caster, one of my favourites when paired with Gretorp, but just seems like another average Protoss player.
All the best though, good luck in the competitive scene, and even though a lot of your "talking" ( SoTG and NASL casting) input into SC2 is going to be side-lined, it sure was awesome whilst it lasted .
I hope they can find "fun" casters to cast NASL. I'm not saying any of the casters are bad, but to be honest, NASL is often times quite boring to watch... like if Tastosis were to cast NASL, I would probably watch it every day. Not because they are necessarily the "best" casters, but because they're the funniest/most fun to watch. I hope NASL chooses their casters wisely for the 2nd season.
On June 24 2011 14:42 Kracklings wrote: good his casting was so subpar, one time he actually said "Im actually pretty excited about this one"
uhhh shouldnt you be excited for all the games? Considering you started the league?
Once they get some real casters that just act as if they are intrested in the games I may go back to watching it but until than ill just glance through the results. Idk why they even have anyone cast it its so bland and boring at times, but than again I just may be spoiled by tasteosis....oh wait no because IPL casting was fine as was HSC, and they could hardly speak english..
I hope you flop hard Incontrol, maybe change your pompous "headier than thou" attitude, but doubt thatll happen. Btw you wouldnt stand a chance at any international tourny
I'm a bit sad because I think he was doing a pretty good job casting the NASL but hopefully, they will find a good replacement and incontrol will start kicking (more) ass playing! Good luck sir!
<3 InControl. I think this was a good choice, though I will certainly miss the casting. I'd love for him to get a real nice tournament win like MLG or Dreamhack or something. He totally deserves it.
Incontrol is a decent caster ,and gretorp is a decent caster, I just didn't like their chemistry, personally. Sometimes it even seemed like they were getting on each other's nerves!
So I'm looking forward to seeing who is going to be the permanent caster. It's too bad that Day9 is so wrapped up in his dailies that he can't take an opportunity like this
Not good for NASL I feel. Casterwise they now might be the weakest competitor with INC leaving. Xeris+Gretorp didn't work out (for me) at all, and while I find it hard to define the requirements of an awesome caster NASL certainly lacks some "personality" in front of the camera.
With the field of known casters (commenting ones own stream is obviously very different from performing in front of a camera) so small at the moment- why not host a small casting competition. A caster casting so to speak, hah.
Give out the same 3 replays (awesome, tactical and a boring one) and see how people manage to meet the challenges for casters that come with these. Have them webcam themselves while casting. Offer a small price+ tryouts. Caster problem fixed- yw!
Alternatively you could just perma-enslave Khaldor, me likes.
On June 24 2011 14:26 iNcontroL wrote: I truly appreciate all the words of support guys.. means a lot.
A lot have speculated on my decision to leave and talked about how I am giving up something I am better at (commentating or being a public persona etc) and I fully understand those perspectives. I haven't won any major tourneys and while I have had decent showings and done fairly well in other events (Cw's, ladder, online tourneys etc..) none of it is top-notch. I want to be top-notch. I am happiest when I am playing better and better. I love being a leader and speaking to people on large platforms but that is not my guiding light.. playing at the highest level is.
When I move into the house with IdrA/Machine/iNkA and then move into the EG house roughly in August (Maybe July) I will be going there to commit myself to be the best player I can be. That means I will train harder and more than I ever have. I will utilize my team and friends like I have only when I stayed in korea for a week with IdrA (Where I nearly doubled in skill). Anna will move in with us as well and really jump-start her eSports career by hosting content, helping manage our team and doing other entrepreneurial activities.
I will still do Inside the Game. I will still be a guest on SOTG and various other shows like TL Attack and Kings of Tin. I will still have an opinion and I will still strive to grow and improve this community. I will simply have more time to do those things WHILE spending more time than ever focusing my time and energy on becoming the best I can.
I want to commentate in the future as I enjoy it and think I can contribute there as well. But living in Ontario and being relied on to cast every day for 7 or more hours is a LOT to ask.. especially given my true desire to be a top level player.
I will have 3 weeks to train hard core for MLG Anaheim. After that, every MLG will be a target. NASL season 2 (as a player) will be a target. And my dream of going to the EU will become true.. but I will go as the best iNcontroL I can possibly go as! And I hope everyone can get on board with that!
Nice! I'm more excited after reading this... I think it mostly has to do with the fact that you guys will all be training hard in the team house.
agreed.... EG needs that stronger team practice feel and I'm sure that iNcontrol has a lot of skill lying dormant within
Seems incontrol has been trying to decide between his community involvement and being a player for a while, between this and pulling out of State of the Game, it seems incontrol will have a whole lot of time to practice again. Can't wait to see even better play from him
Well incontrol completely deserves time to progame, he already did a lot for the community and helped to create something really cool in USA,but I think what he really likes is to be in the spotilight by playing the game and not casting it.
I enjoyed incontrol's casting and fun banter with gretorp during many NASL games. May you have the best of luck in your future endeavors (which I'm sure will be kicking ass in big tournies).
hmhhm... iNcontroL is such an awesome caster but it's his decision, so best of luck fpr your furure progaming career Geoff!!! NASL will hopefully find another caster like iNcontroL
I enjoyed iNcontroL's NASL casting very much and it's sad that he will no longer be on most of the shows, but I'm more excited for the fact that I will now have a chance to see more of iNcontroL the SC2 gladiator! The possibility of seeing him in person, competing in EU events, makes me very happy.
incontrols calling was as a player not a caster. That's both a complement and a criticism. I think he came a long way, but came to that inevitable crossroads where he had to choose between being the best player he can be or the best caster he could be and made the best choice.
I'm sad to see you leaving as a caster, but honestly couldn't be happier to see you jumping in with both feet into competing. I've always cheered for you and was so psyched at your 4th place finish at MLG, I just wish it was first. Now I have even more reason to cheer for you as I know you won't be doing it with the proverbial hand tied behind your back due to other responsibilities. Good luck and don't sweat the haters. They just seem to love accusing you of things that you didn't even do pretty much all the time.
Yea I'm down to see iNcontrol bring home a #1 spot from a big tourny. Id rather watch him play in NASL vs cast it anyways. (not knocking his casting, he is just such a sick player and could be so much better if he devoted all his SC time to gaming.)
Personally if given the choice of seeing geoff as a top tier caster or a top tier player, I'd choose player. Not to take anything away from him as a commentator, but you can tell he's a competitor, and thats where his heart lies, so that's where we will see 100% come out of him. And Geoff at 100% is a scary thing, best of luck.
This makes me pretty happy. I was wondering how he did it all :p Anyway, he's a much better player than a caster (imo) and he hasn't had a chance to post any great results yet.
On June 24 2011 16:42 Sycrus wrote: First of all: Incontrol is not on the same level as Naniwa, Thorzain, Dimaga etc. So I doubt that he will be able to compete and win tournaments.
Its sad to see NA canceling events. It seems like Europe is the only place besides Korea where you can run successfully tournaments.
What events are canceled? NASL is moving forward, MLG and IPL running at full steam. Your post sounds bitter and eurocentric. Relax bud.
I think this is an excellent decision for you as a player, after a 3-0 start in NASL you began to falter, obviously this was due to the lack of practice because of your work schedule, it will be interesting to see how high you can go in season 2 with your complete focus on practice! Wish you the best!
Seems like Geoff didn't want to put up withsuch a big time commitment and stress commitment since everyone keeps mistaking him as the head of EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE NASLLLLLLL. You can tell he has an extreme commitment to being the best player that he can be, moreso than being the best commentator or best podcast personality. He wants to win. Period.
nice. leaving SOTG and NASL are both bad, but at the same time im really glad that my favourtie player will be practicing more, moving into EG house (?didnt know they had one? will he just live with idra and machine?) and going to more tournaments
Good for Geoff if thats what he wants to do, but I'm really sad to hear he's left SotG, and I feel like caster quality is the only thing for the NASL that has been steadily dropping rather than improving as they replace iNcontroL and have Gretorp sitting out some. :-(
I kind of saw this actually. Geoff's passions is incredible. from every state of the game, inside the game, and every other show... i could see the desire for him not only to complete but to win. The dude has mad fire inside him and i wish him nothing but the best because he's one of the players that help build this community to what is.
Good luck geoff, wish you all the best man. You helped make the NASL so awesome and you'll leave your mark for sure. Im going to give you the biggest fucking high five at MLG anaheim
His decision make sense--I think people forget how dominant he was back in the BW days (circa TSL 2) because he's been casting so much SC2. He evidently still has a lot of confidence in himself as a player.
It'll be interesting to see how other caster-players continue their careers *COUGH* DAY[9] *COUGH*
On June 24 2011 16:42 Sycrus wrote: First of all: Incontrol is not on the same level as Naniwa, Thorzain, Dimaga etc. So I doubt that he will be able to compete and win tournaments.
Its sad to see NA canceling events. It seems like Europe is the only place besides Korea where you can run successfully tournaments.
What events are canceled? NASL is moving forward, MLG and IPL running at full steam. Your post sounds bitter and eurocentric. Relax bud.
My thoughts exactly about u.s tournaments, and it's preposterous to state facts as whether iNcontroL isn't as good as nani or thor before he switches over to playing full time. I used to watch his stream and he have great mechanics, and with his experience "the starcraft strategy think" comes naturally for him. If he put his mind to it I don't have a doubt he will start taking home medals.
I think iNcontrol is the most complete human being on this planet! To be completely honest, and not to knock anything from NASL, but the only reason I watched the NASL was to hear iNcontrol cast and make jokes. You shouldn't be casting Geoff, you should be a stand up comedian because you're hilarious! To sum up how awesome you are:
pros:
- Good player - Good caster - Very funny - Best SOTG member. - Verbally pwn Idra on multiple accounts and levels - Have a lovely gf - Hold title for best rant ever
cons: -listens to death metal
It's sad to see you go iNcontrol, but hopefully you can come back and demolish some MCs and nesteas and what not! Best of luck to you in the future!!!
Would be nice to see someone who does so much for the community get a tourny win.
Dam you get alot of haters Incontrol. Friend sent me a link to reddit and every other post there is just bashing players/teams and casters. No respect at all. Gl in the future and dont listen to the haters.
This was here before :D He always goes back to caster chair after some time.. But definetely bad feelings coming out of this. He was like everything i expected from nasl and good voice to listen to etc...
Bit of a surprise, but I understand where he's coming from. He's a competitor first, not a commentator. To be the best competitor he can be, he had to give up commentating - for now. GL iNcontroL!
On June 24 2011 17:37 Abductedonut wrote: I think iNcontrol is the most complete human being on this planet! To be completely honest, and not to knock anything from NASL, but the only reason I watched the NASL was to hear iNcontrol cast and make jokes. You shouldn't be casting Geoff, you should be a stand up comedian because you're hilarious! To sum up how awesome you are:
pros:
- Good player - Good caster - Very funny - Best SOTG member. - Verbally pwn Idra on multiple accounts and levels - Have a lovely gf - Hold title for best rant ever
cons: -listens to death metal
It's sad to see you go iNcontrol, but hopefully you can come back and demolish some MCs and nesteas and what not! Best of luck to you in the future!!!
Now if we can only get Gretorp off casting, this would be AWESOME news. Incontrol performs best as a player. His casting wasn't bad, but I think it was clear that his abilities were better used in the progaming field.
Gretorp WAS bad however and should stick to progaming.
I like him better as a caster than player, prob caus toss is so boring to watch. Definitely the funniest guy in the community, if he comes back so SOTG it will be OK. GL
I'm glad that he has left NASL and SotG. It was all obviously too much attention for him anyway, and he can't finish a sentence without pointing out how e-famous he is anymore. Hopefully his head shrinks a bit and he becomes a better player as well - then he can have my heart back!
GL man. I hope you manage to turn our TLPD stats around because I'm getting really tired of seeing them referenced in every single tournament thread when you're playing.
I wish him well. I liked him more as a commentator/personality than a player and believe that's easily where his future lies. He probably realized he is on the cusp of losing easy mode MLG group seeding and once you are out of that... shit gets real. Don't think he will do too well but, I hope he proves me wrong.
I'm actually glad iNcontroL won't be casting next season. I love watching him play and this will allow him to practice more and prepare for matches. Also, big step for him moving into the EG Pro gaming house. I can't wait to see what the future holds for him.
Good for him, you may as well give it everything to be the best you can be at your chosen sport/game because his casting skills will still be there in 2-3 years time, good luck
Either way Geoff was doing way too much. I personally do NOT like NASL because of the VOD format. Sorry, but I can buffer 1080P with anyone else except JTV apparently. Takes about 2 hours for one match then IF i happen to double click it resets all that buffering. LOL. But seriously good for Geoff I hope he fucking dominates something.
Good to see geoff is going to be focusing on his pro-gaming but he will be missed as a caster he was one of the reasons i watched NASL. I wish him good luck in the future
Very good decision! I will start to support him now, to become the best player he can be. I really hope Inc can get that elusive big tournament win/ or final. It will be damn hard though.
On June 24 2011 17:37 Abductedonut wrote: I think iNcontrol is the most complete human being on this planet! To be completely honest, and not to knock anything from NASL, but the only reason I watched the NASL was to hear iNcontrol cast and make jokes. You shouldn't be casting Geoff, you should be a stand up comedian because you're hilarious! To sum up how awesome you are:
pros:
- Good player - Good caster - Very funny - Best SOTG member. - Verbally pwn Idra on multiple accounts and levels - Have a lovely gf - Hold title for best rant ever
cons: -listens to death metal
It's sad to see you go iNcontrol, but hopefully you can come back and demolish some MCs and nesteas and what not! Best of luck to you in the future!!!
he does not listen to death metal. nice assumptions
Responding to OP, I think this is a good move, Incontrol was awesome to watch casting and imo was the most entertaining voice on the show, but I would much rather see him competing and doing awesome in tournaments! Best of luck
On June 24 2011 17:37 Abductedonut wrote: I think iNcontrol is the most complete human being on this planet! To be completely honest, and not to knock anything from NASL, but the only reason I watched the NASL was to hear iNcontrol cast and make jokes. You shouldn't be casting Geoff, you should be a stand up comedian because you're hilarious! To sum up how awesome you are:
pros:
- Good player - Good caster - Very funny - Best SOTG member. - Verbally pwn Idra on multiple accounts and levels - Have a lovely gf - Hold title for best rant ever
cons: -listens to death metal
It's sad to see you go iNcontrol, but hopefully you can come back and demolish some MCs and nesteas and what not! Best of luck to you in the future!!!
I know it's been pointed out by others but I don't think you know what death metal is. Inctrontrol seems to listen to some metalcore/death core/nu metal but that's not even close to death metal
Sorry to see you go, your an awesome caster man :D but I really understand. Really excited to see you at your best practice so you can go kick some tail!! :D Gogo Incontrol!
i hope he manages to concentrate on competing full time. he said multiple times that he wants to "play more" but he never seemed to keep it up. gl incontrol, would love to see you finish well in tournaments!
As many before have written, I too have quite mixed feelings about this. iNcontroL as a caster has been really entertaining to me and I think also as this kind of "e-sports-representative" he was while beeing with NASL he did a really good job, imho.
Still I am looking forward to see him perform at a even higher level as a player. Can't remember to have seen anyone 4Gate TLO just to feel bad about it afterwards. So good! x))
On June 24 2011 19:37 sickduck wrote: death metal = bands such as
dimmu borgir Sepultura children of bodom gorograth
i heard incontrol listening to a day to remember the other day! haha he listens to metalcore my favorite genre =p
Why don't any Americans know what death metal is? None of the bands listed is death metal. Sepultura had some old school death influences in their early days. I guess you mean Gorgoroth by gorograth too right? And they're black metal legends, nothing to do with death metal.
Examples of famous death metal bands: Cannibal Corpse Morbid Angel Deicide Necrophagist
Anyway sorry for being off topic.
OnTopic: I think it's nice that Geoff starts to focus more or less completely on his career as a player. Hope we get to see some great results from him in the future. At the moment his play looks a bit unrefined which I guess can be tributed to the fact that he has so much other things going on.
On June 24 2011 19:37 sickduck wrote: death metal = bands such as
dimmu borgir Sepultura children of bodom gorograth
i heard incontrol listening to a day to remember the other day! haha he listens to metalcore my favorite genre =p
Why don't any Americans know what death metal is? None of the bands listed is death metal. Sepultura had some old school death influences in their early days.
Examples of famous death metal bands: Cannibal Corpse Morbid Angel Deicide Necrophagist
Anyway sorry for being off topic.
OnTopic: I think it's nice that Geoff starts to focus more or less completely on his career as a player. Hope we get to see some great results from him in the future. At the moment his play looks a bit unrefined which I guess can be tributed to the fact that he has so much other things going on.
"Why don't any Americans know what death metal is?"
dont over generalize. it makes you look stupid.lol
well i can tell you sir. that those bands, and the people who listen to them, are pussies. there are still real metal fans theyre just rare, compared to the mainstream.
Awesome, hopefully this means that you will become a better pro gamer :D We need some more top tier foreigners and hopefully if you put your head in to it you can be that top tier player (world wide)
InControl I hope this means you will be back on State of the Game. You've done great work the passed months contributing to the community! GL with the gaming career!
On June 24 2011 19:46 stuish wrote: whatever, he sux at everything. same with NASL.
Lol at your foolish try to be troll. Incontrol is a great caster and a very good player. And on top of that he could not be any more manner. Now would you do us all a favor and go to bnet forum and delete your tl account. EDIT: After seeing your previous post's im unsure as to why you are not banned yet. You have been nothing but unfriendly and negative your whole stay in theese good forums.
I hope to see you right up there competing for the top prize Geoff. What you have done for e-Sports, coming up with this plan and sticking with it, helping it improve like you have will be remembered dude.
Good on you InControl! Can't wait too see how much he improves his game now that he has the chance too focus on playing rather then casting. Wish you all the best, i will be rooting for you!
This is good for Geoff, but not that good for NASL. I know his decision is the best, because he was performing not that good lately, so it's great he will live in gaming house so he could train again with 200% power.
When NASL was about to launch I was really hyped to see him cast a lot since I really had enjoyed him as a guest caster in earlier events. But seeing him cast everyday become a bore. His strong side is his clever jokes and quick comments but after hearing them everyday made me get tired of them. After a while I prefered Gretorp with a guest caster in front of Geoff. The casting also affected his practice and resulted in an absence of big tournament results.
Now I look forward to watch Geoff continue his pro career and I expect we will see him as a guest caster in furture events as well.
This is gonna be really bad for NASL. I guess it'll decrease the sales on Season2 even further. I hope NASL can make it though. But it's all but good news for Incontrol. Being such a community guy he hardly had any time to practice, it'll change now and we will see him destroying some tournaments. Incontrol fighting! <3
I really want NASL to have success, I also want to see Incontrol be the best he can be. I did really enjoy his casting with Gretorp. I feel that Gretorp was really wanting to just be a caster and less of a player while Incontrol wanted to do both equally.
I like it, he has what it takes to be a top contender but his time is way too spread out over different projects and as such he's not reaching his true potential.
Hmm, bittersweet i guess: He took great insight to the games and had nice calm commentating (imo) but still i guess he wants to focus on playing, GL with that!
does anyone else miss the days of super human iNcontrol? When he played, Streamed, Cast NASL, Hosted SOTG, flew all around the country doing stuff with Kingston and Intel.
hmmmmm i wonder why he stopped doing that? Maybe he ran out of magic.
Not surprising, incontrol has been dropping everything to focus on playing, a good move imo since the foreign scene really does need take it more seriously to catch up.
Brilliant, Have liked iNcontroL for a good long while now. will be so cool to see what he can do with this kind of commitment to his practice 0_o. Congrats.
Good for INcontrol, bad for us, well not really...but we did lose what it could've been the funniest yet most informative caster in the US, specially NASL. He was doing a great job in the NASL, it's sad to see him go.
On the other hand, I think he has the talent to become a really high caliber Pro player, so I guess that's good.
The question is now, who is going to take his place in the NASL? I personally dislike Gretorp, specially when he is alone, he irritates me beyond believe, so I hope to see a real good caster in INcontrol's place.
I just wish that his return to progaming will also mean he switch back to Zerg. He is a Zerg at heart, and it would be great news if he announce his return, and I think this is possible. Him and Idra as EG's power zergs.
While he was getting a lot of experience and exposure as an esports caster/spokesperson, If he wants to continue playing on a high level as a Player for the immediate future, I don't think he can maintain all of his responsibilities he has. NASL, SoTG, I feel like he is freeing up a lot of valuable time and will be improving a lot if he uses the time for practice.
I was actually a fan of Incontrols casting, him and gretorp made an interesting and funny combo. Glad to see he will be focusing more on his gaming aspect to his career though, becuase I can see him making great strides in the right environment
I seldom post, but have lurked here for almost eight years.
I just wanted to say that I am saddened by this news on top of his departure from SotG.
I have typically sided with his views on the growth of SC2 and eSports in general and I am bummed that he is stepping away from another pedestal with which to promote professionalism in both word and example. I have often felt like he is one of the few "adults" around and will miss having someone as a frequent spokesman for views like mine.
But, I'd certainly not begrudge him the option of doing what he feels is best for him and hope that this move, along with others he appears to be making help him reach whatever goals he is setting for himself.
I thought inControl and Gretorp didn't gel for about the first week of NASL, I found myself cringing a little bit.
But then they relaxed to each other's style and it became really enjoyable. I particularly like inControl's deadpan method of telling a joke or making an observation on the game at hand.
I prefer inControl to any other caster NASL has had on so far, so gonna be sad times for me.
I am gonna miss him on NASL. He did his job well. Hopefully this frees time up for him to join SotG again. Would love to see him joking around there again .
Terrible decision on his partin, in my opinion. He is a much, much better caster than he is a player. If he left EG to become a full time caster it would be a much better situation for both parties involved.
That being said, if this is what he wants then so be it. But if I were him I would much rather spend time with my hot girlfriend while casting, much more relaxed and profitable probably.
It's a bit awkward for someone who was the NASL's biggest advocates to leave when he had developed into a pretty decent caster. I dunno how well NASL will handle this.
But on the other hand it's nice to see inc acknowledging his time commitments are detrimental to his playing and push towards becoming a better player.
This is great news, imo! Because I want to see incontrol performing better in tournaments, and if he frees up alot of his time for practicing with this, then all the better .
On June 24 2011 22:24 Ganjamaster wrote: Terrible decision on his partin, in my opinion. He is a much, much better caster than he is a player. If he left EG to become a full time caster it would be a much better situation for both parties involved.
That being said, if this is what he wants then so be it. But if I were him I would much rather spend time with my hot girlfriend while casting, much more relaxed and profitable probably.
I assume he believes the reason he isn't that great of a player is because he's doing all this stuff on the side. I really wonder what the dick will happen to the NASL now though, or if there will be a NASL left in a year.
In his interview @ MLG he mentioned he was doing NASL from 9-5, coaching, something else (forget) and that left, if he wanted to stay up all night, an hour or two for practice. He is first and foremost a player so this completely makes sense .
When ever I would watch the NASL I would hope that it was inContol casting. Best caster really. great personality. A lot more fun to watch then some of these other guys... the sad thing is IMO the 2nd best is Idra who is also on EG haha.
On June 24 2011 22:24 Ganjamaster wrote: Terrible decision on his partin, in my opinion. He is a much, much better caster than he is a player. If he left EG to become a full time caster it would be a much better situation for both parties involved.
That being said, if this is what he wants then so be it. But if I were him I would much rather spend time with my hot girlfriend while casting, much more relaxed and profitable probably.
Bullshit, incontroll takes games off players who have alot better mechanics just because his decision making scouting and getting the right unit comp is excesively good. He just misses some mechanics which he can improve on when he practises more.
I .. as many others .. cant say, if this decision is right or wrong - but what i can say is: that with the loss of Inc as a caster for the nasl, nasl just lost the one caster i could stand listening to and enjoy the whole stuff
Is iNcontroL going to try and qualify for NASL 2? I mean... I'v e always looked up to him as a progamer more than anything, I think the NASL would be enriched by his stellar play! I mean seriously if he could almost break even, in one of the hardest groups, while being hampered by NASL casting and SOTG imagine what he could do if he just spammed practice with iDrA all day :DDDDDD
This decision really makes sense if Geoff wants to completely focus on being a player. There just aren't enough hours in the day to focus on casting and playing professionally
I really enjoyed iNcontroL's casting and he'll be missed from the NASL - but I'm glad to see him focusing on playing and working to become an even better progamer. Wishing you huge success man!
On June 24 2011 21:53 jarocket wrote: does anyone else miss the days of super human iNcontrol? When he played, Streamed, Cast NASL, Hosted SOTG, flew all around the country doing stuff with Kingston and Intel.
hmmmmm i wonder why he stopped doing that? Maybe he ran out of magic.
You forgot the part where it say..."And then the Koreans came into the foreigner touraments and dominated them" This made alot of foreigners realise that they need more dedication to the game to step it up to the Korean's lvl of play.
I love Geoff as a caster... And in turn, that makes me root for him as a player... I can only imagine how hard it is to be successful as a player when you devote so much time to making so many other great things happen... I know I will definitely miss him on the NASL casts, but I really look forward to an improved iNcontroL playing Starcraft 2... I think when he's playing consistently, it's phenomenally good for not only Geoff, but also for all the members of his team... And if this opens up a casting spot for MrBitter, then I'm pretty happy... I thought his casting was very good in spot duty for the NASL...
This is definitely a good move for InControl I think. I know he's said before that with his insanely hectic schedule he has no time to really practice his play, so hopefully now he'll be able to post even better results. I'm gonna miss his casting though, I hope they do bring him back for those guest commentaries.
I think it's a good decision on Incontrol's part. If he wants to be a good Starcraft player and make a good name for himself then he needs to focus specifically on his play. He is a good caster but I honestly would like to see him getting better results in tournaments than see him on the NASL cast. To be a good player, playing Starcraft requires alot of time and dedication to specifically playing and watching reps with a purpose of learning (not for entertainment purposes like he does in the NASL) I'm glad to see that he now realizes that he can't be both a great commentator and player at the same time. It's either one or the other. Now I expect to see him producing some better results now that he isn't taking on so much at one time.
Actually glad to hear it, want to see iNcontroL as top pro rather than a semi-pro player/caster. Hopefully he wont have to censor himself as much now that he doesn't represent NASL.
Edit: Though most of all i want to see him back on SOTG even though the chances seem slim.
Personally I'm not terribly surprised. Casting I feel takes away from your actual playing ability since you spend more time analyzing and less time actually playing the game thereby letting your mechanics get rusty.
On June 24 2011 22:24 Ganjamaster wrote: Terrible decision on his partin, in my opinion. He is a much, much better caster than he is a player. If he left EG to become a full time caster it would be a much better situation for both parties involved.
That being said, if this is what he wants then so be it. But if I were him I would much rather spend time with my hot girlfriend while casting, much more relaxed and profitable probably.
Bullshit, incontroll takes games off players who have alot better mechanics just because his decision making scouting and getting the right unit comp is excesively good. He just misses some mechanics which he can improve on when he practises more.
Incontrol has not produced any noteworthy results as a player, "taking games off" successful players does not constitute success in my book. His most important accomplishment is getting 4th at MLG, which is mediocre at best. I hope he proves me wrong and becomes the best player in the NA scene, but he is very, very far from the top at the moment.
He is a very popular and entertaining caster NOW and he could capitalize on that if he wanted to, that is why I think this is not the optimal choice for him now given these facts.
But again, if this is what makes him happy then he should do it even if here were the worst player ever (which he clearly is not).
GL Incontrol. I see some people really want Mr. Bitter to be brought in... but I prefer someone else (I don't like listening to zerg analysis in games with no zergs)
Best wishes to you Incontrol. Loved your casting and hope to catch your stream more. It is said for NASL to lose it's quality commentator but keep the one that I personally find difficult to listen to. Here's hoping NASL finds quality talent to fill incontrol's shoes.
On June 24 2011 23:35 QTIP. wrote: GL Incontrol. I see some people really want Mr. Bitter to be brought in... but I prefer someone else (I don't like listening to zerg analysis in games with no zergs)
Mr. Bitter would be my favourite choice as a permanent caster. Great guy, great analysis in Zerg games. Will get good in non-Zerg games too.
I really hope that more time for practice translates into an increase of skill for Incontrol, would love to see him kicking some ass. For me personally, Incontrol casting was the main reason to watch NASL, don't want to turn this into yet another caster argument, but I just don't enjoy listening to gretorp that much.
Damn, I love iNcontroL and his fantastic humour! He's one of my favorite people in the community these days alongside Artosis. I understand you've realized you cant' combine casting and progaming, good luck with the latter, hope you pick up the momentum you had before starting casting.
On June 24 2011 23:31 Ganjamaster wrote: His most important accomplishment is getting 4th at MLG, which is mediocre at best.
I think you've said enough to disqualify yourself from judging other players.
Judging by the way he got there, it is. If you don´t know what you are talking about refrain from making uninformed comments. The only really notable player he defeated on that run is TLO (who he cheesed).
I've always loved iNcontroL's casting. And I love his stream too, he gives great insight and tips. So he will definitely be missed. But it would be nice to see him on the playing side of the tournament. You can't stop a man's competitive drive.
i actually think this is great for incontrol..... now he gets to practice alot more than a few ladder games when he has time...and hopefully this will show when his play gets better!!
On June 24 2011 23:31 Ganjamaster wrote: His most important accomplishment is getting 4th at MLG, which is mediocre at best.
I think you've said enough to disqualify yourself from judging other players.
Judging by the way he got there, it is. If you don´t know what you are talking about refrain from making uninformed comments. The only really notable player he defeated on that run is TLO (who he cheesed).
I don't understand why this user was warned? Maybe he said nice because he would rather have incontrol play rather then cast.
Either way one liners are discouraged on teamliquid. Especially one-worders. I like iNcontroL much better as a player than a caster. I'm glad he's doing this I think he will be much more successful as a player. Plus I'm sure it means he will stream more, which is always entertaining.
Well, we don't want incontrol to end up like Artosis now do we? I mean, in the sense that as much as I love Artosis as a caster, lets just say that it's pretty safe to bet on his opponent in Liquibet whenever he's in a matchup...
Good, that eliminates the one lingering reason why I might watch NASL. I can't stand Gretorp's casting or even Gretorp + anyone but Incontrol casting. The games are very hit or miss, the format is terrible, and other than it running at a convenient time, there's nothing really going for it.
Excellent long term decision from Incontrol. I mean its possible that NASL is struggling, he didn't get the pay bump he wanted, there could be creative control issues, it doesn't really matter. Geoff has seen the fame and fortune coming to the top players, and he knows that at 24(?) years old he is much too young to get into a 9-5 job, when he has the talent to live the rockstar starcraft pro life for several more years, and place in the top 16 of top foreigner tournaments.
Casting gives a nice stable salary, but what is that compared to traveling the world, going to Korea, visiting drunken tournaments in Germany with friends. He can still cast games when hes 30, now is the time to play the game.
well now that NASL won't have amazing jokes and hilarious casting. I can also focus more on gaming.
I'm pretty sure I watched NASL everyday for 9 weeks because of Goeff. He honestly is the best caster I have ever watched. Not only is his analysis amazing. Casting is a game of personality and entertainment, Incontrol had those aspects about him.
I'm going to say, I'm definetly upset. I actually became of Fan of Incontrol, watching him games. BECAUSE I got to meet him on the NASL.
Good luck Buddy in Tournaments.
My Favorite NASL Incontrol Moment!
"HERE YOU GO KAWAIIRICE! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I GOT YOU PROTOSS!"
On June 25 2011 00:51 deth2munkies wrote: Good, that eliminates the one lingering reason why I might watch NASL. I can't stand Gretorp's casting or even Gretorp + anyone but Incontrol casting. The games are very hit or miss, the format is terrible, and other than it running at a convenient time, there's nothing really going for it.
Thanks for making my decision easy Inc.
Hate to say it but I kind of agree with this. I think Gretorp is OK when inc is there but without inc I doubt I'll watch outside of idra and a few others. At this point casters are more important to me than who's actually playing outside of about 8 players that I would watch a mountain lion cast. Anything with Tastosis, inc, idra, day 9, and obviously MC is auto watch for me and everything else needs great players for me to tune in.
Will miss his casting, he's actually probably my favorite caster and not to be one of those complete haters but I have a hard time enjoying it with some of the other casters that they have had; (Moletrap, Diggity, Xeres).
Hopefully they can find a suitable replacement and hopefully this allows inc to start crushing some tournaments.
I enjoy watching Geoff play but you can see that his play has suffered in recent weeks and months due to the amount of time he spends casting etc. Will be good to see him improve his play in the near future
It's sad, but I understand the (inferred) reasoning.
iNcontrol has a lot of personality. I felt that the "Gretrol" duo was really fluid. Without him, the casting might be a bit less lively, but we'll have to see who replaces him as the regular co-caster.
My inferred reasoning is that iNcontrol made the call to focus purely on his pro career. That's very respectable. He probably doesn't want to see his play slip because of the casting (see: PainUser, Gretorp).
This is bad for the NASL imo, but the right decision for iNControL if he wants to continue as a player--which he clearly does. It would have been impossible for him to still compete and cast as much as he has been. Just look at Artosis....
On June 24 2011 11:38 crms wrote: This decision pains me as it's like watching someone you like make bad choices. I'm sorry but Geoff isn't a community mega star because of his stellar performances as a professional player. He's beloved because of who he is, his personality and what he brings to the community through shows like SOTG and being an entertaining caster.
I felt him leaving SOTG was a bad choice because its basically the platform that launched him to fame in STARCRAFT 2 (we all know Geoff was known by the small foreigner BW people). Now leaving the NASL is just #2 in the bad decisions he's made.
I understand he wants to be a top level player and competition is his passion but at some level you have to be wise about your options and future. Retracting into the bowels of competitive play when you have the entire SC2 community spotlight is just a terrible decision.
Geoff should embrace his role as an esports ambassador and excelling community member, that is where he will 'make it'. Does Geoff think hes gained so much fame and notoriety, commercial deals and casting jobs because of his playing skills? Does he think he's being invited to intel panels and traveling on company dimes because he's a top player? Let's be real...
Anyway, I wish him all the luck as a player. EG was one of my favorite teams pre-starcraft. I just think these moves he's been making to reduce his community involvement to focus on playing more are foolish.
edit: I know this post sounds harsh like I'm an incontrol hater but nothing could be further from the truth. I will cheer incontrol on throughout his gaming career and root for EG almost always. It's just hard to see someone come so far from the obscurity of brood war to toss aside some really great opportunities because they want to be a 'champ.' What I just posted about incontrol I would say to my best friend if the situation existed.
Completely agree. He has a lot more potential IMO in being himself while connecting to sc2 community than in progaming.
Such a huge loss for NASL, but as incontrol always has said, he's a player before a caster... Will miss him while watching NASL in the future! Hope he gets better in the EG house, if he won't cast that much anymore, atleast justify it by being a huge powerhouse of a player!!
Will be awesome to see Geoff competing in tourneys around the world, look forward to seing a top form incontrol! <3<3<3 Will be a shame to have an NASL without him though Loved the incontorp combo crew :'(
Not that it matters what I think.. lol... but this is probably a very good move for Geoff. He understands that his role is as a competitor and caster. I do believe you will see him casting again and probably at the same time he is concentrating on playing. I do, however, feel like there is probably more to the story then what is being shared with us.
Someone said that NASL was too long of a 'tournament' and the format was shabby. First, it was not really a tournament.. its a League.. and it performed exactly as it should have. Yes, most will agree that the format is borked.. but you have to remember that most of the guys running the show have little to no experience with event structure and organization. I think the idea is solid from NASL. Setup the league more as a sports league. This is something that eSports needs badly. Yes, NASL hyped it up and failed to deliver at first.. especially with their content/coverage and production value.. but the idea is solid and as the community and esports moves forward we can all use NASL as a lesson in how to and not to do things.
I wish NASL all the best.. (change your name though.. you may be sued for it soon!).. and I am sure they are taking the suggestions of the masses seriously and looking to improve on season 1.
Good Luck to Geoff in his new ventures and I think we need to stop whining about the casting so much.. give good suggestions to the casters we have.. let them learn from their mistakes.. and look to find new casters that can breath more life into the SC2 community!
Will he still compete in the NASL? I think this is great for him, he has shown that he wants to be a player, not a community man. More power to you, Geoff.
I don't understand why this user was warned? Maybe he said nice because he would rather have incontrol play rather then cast.
If it's not caster bashing, it's a one worded post with a smily, something that often slips through, but sometimes gets banned as well.
I hope iNcontrol goes back to doing some sotg, even though afaik EG won't let him. Best of luck in providence as well. I hope he'll show for the next dreamhack winter as well so I can come up and say hi ^^
I'm a very big iNcontrol fan. I love his personality and how he speaks his mind. The reason I like Geoff are for those things and those alone. Don't get me wrong, I will cheer for him, but I'm a fan of his not because he's a SC2 player but because he promotes SC2, is a good caster only getting better and because of SoTG.
Now that he's left NASL, which he promoted, and SoTG which he was a huge contributor to, I feel like he's making the wrong decisions. Sure everyone wants to strive for their dreams but in reality I believe Geoff is nearly at his SC2 playing ceiling. 4th place at an MLG is a huge accomplishment and I don't see him getting much better placing in major tournaments than that. I really feel Geoff's skills really are in broadcasting and promotion. It is admirable that he wants to fully explore what he feels his potential is and hope I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just bummed I'll be hearing him less.
I'm not a Geoff hater in the slightest but i wish he would own his position in the SC2 community.
On June 25 2011 02:39 Dragonsven wrote: What a horrible career move =[
I think every pro player is realising that they cannot be a full time caster and compete at the highest level. Also, with the EG gaming house, it will be impossible for him to cast the games live.
I think for InControl, this is a good move. He wants to be the best player and take on the best. Huk showed us how much time that takes at Dreamhack. He is just making a choice on what is most important to him. I just hope he remains in the public eye, because is enteraining both playing and not.
It's a bummer for NASL. They have had some real caster quality problems. I am not kidding when I say that Incontrol was the life of the show and the reason I tuned in. I will have to see what comes of it.
i dont care if there is more behind that story or whatsoever. its just fact that incontrol is more a player than a caster. i dont say he was a bad caster, but not a good one either. this decision seems very logical. and i would love to see him rip some more nerds appart. and if nasl wants to become as professional as they want, they need to get better casters. and with diggity hoping by from time to time they already made a step forward in the right direction. anyway incontrol did a very good job with that little experience and nasl became pretty solid lately. best luck in the eg house ! dallas has shown that if he puts a lot of effort in it, he can have decent sucess.
Never been a fan of Incontrol, but he and Gretorp casting nasl actually made it unbearable for me - which is sad because other than the bizarre tourney format, the games and players are awesome.
GL to him, hopefully nasl can get some actual casters and let the players play games.
Hopefully the EG house turns out really nice, they could get a few more players and get a really good environment going - GL in the future iNcontroL hope to see you in a finals soon!
The way I see it, Incontrol had to narrow down his activities, namely choose between being a caster or a player. So I think this is a very sensible thing to do in that regard.
Should he have chosen to cut back on competitive gaming and focus on casting stuff? Who knows!
On June 25 2011 04:23 Ghad wrote: The way I see it, Incontrol had to narrow down his activities, namely choose between being a caster or a player. So I think this is a very sensible thing to do in that regard.
Should he have chosen to cut back on competitive gaming and focus on casting stuff? Who knows!
Probably, but in the end he chose what he really wanted to do. He can focus more on casting after his playing career but the other way around doesnt work.
Anyways good luck Geoff! Hope to see you win tournaments!
I'm happy for Geoff, he clearly wants to focus more on his playing career and NASL was taking up a lot of time. This is going to be good for him.
With that said, I'm personally sad. I'm a fan of his personality and humor, especially his presence on State of the Game as well as his casting. Now that he's off SOTG and NASL I don't get to hear him anymore =( There's one less reason to watch NASL now, and SOTG will be a lot less funny (although Tyler will always be baller and awesome)
I think it will end up being a good thing for InControl and NASL. I can't help but wonder though if Scoots put some pressure on Geoff to quit riding the fence between Professional Player and Professional commentator/host/all things esports related. First SOTG and now NASL.
Anywho, I'm a huge fan Geoff!! Best of luck to you and NASL.
Kinda sucks because I thought inc and gretorp made a really good casting combo, but if this means more incontrol crushing nerds while still casting once in a while, I'm all for it. gl to both parties!
This is for the best i think, he wasnt the best caster in the world, and doing this everyday really prevented him from practicing as much as others. He had a good run and im looking forward to him winning season 2.
wish it was gretorp but w/e. They need to review the whole casting plan of the NASL. Its really holding them back. Hell Code A with Kelly was > than Casting in the NASL.
It is however great to see Incontrol doing his thing and working to improve and prepare for playing on the international stage.
On June 25 2011 06:09 purecarnagge wrote: wish it was gretorp but w/e. They need to review the whole casting plan of the NASL. Its really holding them back. Hell Code A with Kelly was > than Casting in the NASL.
It is however great to see Incontrol doing his thing and working to improve and prepare for playing on the international stage.
It seems like you haven't watched NASL since week 1, when they had no experience together.
It will be sad to see less of you "on the air", but on the other hand, knowing that you trade it for something that you really want and that makes you happy - that makes me happy too. I love seeing people figure out what they want and going for it. It is very inspiring.
Looking forward to guest appearances on SOTG in the future!
Hmm, it seems you either have to be a full time caster or full time player it seems to difficult to be both, i mean you can do some casting on the side but it seems you have to concentrate on one or the other.
I loved iNcontrol's casting in NASL He and Gretorp managed to find their stride together and made an awesome duo. I understand where he's coming from though, he got so spread out in his involvement in the scene that his game was starting to suffer. I'll miss having him cast in NASL and SotG, but i'm excited to see where his games go from here :D
the boy is smart, he needs to find out this year if he is any good at all. if not, move on to his next phase of his career. god know there is very little money in sc2 compared to other stuff he can use his brain for!
On June 25 2011 05:56 chroniX wrote: Leaving the sinking ship....good move!
what?
Incontrol has always been really good at leaving risky business endeavors at the right time. He did it first with the SC2 guide and then with the SC2 coaching (just search for that stuff on the archives). NASL is probably on a really bad spot right now (a 5000 euros tournament like HomeStory racks up to 20000 viewers while the NASL does what, half of that?) , so he can't be blamed for taking some distance from it.
On June 25 2011 06:38 darksidemoon wrote: day9 for new NASL caster!
Oh no, please not! I love the guy, but he just isn't a good caster at all. His oh so much praised "high level analysis" is not there anymore as he is not an active top player and his casing style just not my thing at all. I know it's against the general consensus but I dont think Day9 should be casing NASL. But this thread is not about casters.
Incontrol really seems to have a history of starting endeavours and then leaving the sinking ship pretty early. I dont want to blame him or anything, but there seems to be a pattern. I dont feel like the NASL will be successful: Production value is really bad (just look at the graphics - they look like they were taken from some total annihilation website of the late 90s) considering what GSL, Dreamhack, MLG or IPL do. The format is extremely boring. Who wants to watch months of group play where there is nothing on the line and even if it is, it doesnt feel like it? Gretorps casting, although he seems like an OK guy is just not acceptable for a commercial league. If the finals tournament is not absolutely amazing, I feel they will have to close down on the long run. But who knows, maybe they will find some genious unknown caster
I do think Incontrol learned from the experience and will not be so eager to put his name on everything in the future. Despite all the negativity in this post, I'm really looking forward to see him again as a top player and hopefully (you can still hope) also on SotG (please?). Wish you the best of luck, Geoff!
Myb he really just sees that he spends to much time with something but not the game itself. i whish him the best and myb soon some great results again.
Why was this user warned for this post? You could interpret it as a troll, or you could think of it as "it's nice to see iNcontroL follow his dream of being a pro gamer, not a caster," like I did.
Or maybe the mod thinks NASL is a joke and projected that onto his warning without thinking?
Why was this user warned for this post? You could interpret it as a troll, or you could think of it as "it's nice to see iNcontroL follow his dream of being a pro gamer, not a caster," like I did.
Or maybe the mod thinks NASL is a joke and projected that onto his warning without thinking?
Why even as a troll? I think its NICE as well. IMO the league will improve because of this and I'm very happy iNcontrol is leaving. I don't see why he was warned.
Oh noo, I love iNcontroL's casts. I guess it makes sense for his career as a pro gamer to focus on playing without having to spend time casting and preparing for casts. Good luck in future tournaments!
Why was this user warned for this post? You could interpret it as a troll, or you could think of it as "it's nice to see iNcontroL follow his dream of being a pro gamer, not a caster," like I did.
Or maybe the mod thinks NASL is a joke and projected that onto his warning without thinking?
Because its basically a 0 content post I guess? My acount its not really that old and I know mods don´t like posts like that.
Anyways, good to hear that from Incontrol. I feel pretty conflicted because I really liked his coaching but its obvious its eating a lot of his practice time.
And LOL, people a league is always less exciting than a tournament, what a league aims to do is create constant content for a constant viewership. I mean, NASl has a pretty good constant number of viewers(I think its a super cool model because now I can watch SC almost daily) but of course the regular season its not going to be able to compete with stuff like Dreamhack or MLG.
Its like comparing Playoffs to the superbowl, they are 2 different beasts.
Why was this user warned for this post? You could interpret it as a troll, or you could think of it as "it's nice to see iNcontroL follow his dream of being a pro gamer, not a caster," like I did.
Or maybe the mod thinks NASL is a joke and projected that onto his warning without thinking?
He was not warned for that particular post, but his posting history. The warning text showed up there accidentally.
From a caster standpoint I'm sad to see him leave. iNcontroL is a great caster and always makes me smile when he goes all out when something happens in a match he is casting.
But on the other hand, respect that he goes for the game first and foremost. I hope this choice brings him fortune!
I watched some of the NASL but I didn't really enjoy it very much. Gretorp tilts me when he casts. But, I'm glad to see iNcontroL focusing on gaming now. Good luck, buddy!
I hope nasl changes their format next season... like splitting the groups to 4 players and double the amount of groups so each game matters as currently 8 player groups don't keep me interested at all. Looking forward to the finals though.
Realistically there's no way NASL could match the income from coaching, so that's probably going to become a bigger focus. It would be for me @ $100/hr....................
On June 25 2011 05:56 chroniX wrote: Leaving the sinking ship....good move!
what?
Incontrol has always been really good at leaving risky business endeavors at the right time. He did it first with the SC2 guide and then with the SC2 coaching (just search for that stuff on the archives). NASL is probably on a really bad spot right now (a 5000 euros tournament like HomeStory racks up to 20000 viewers while the NASL does what, half of that?) , so he can't be blamed for taking some distance from it.
This is total crap.
Incontrol made a lot of promises to a lot of people: The money has been budgeted and secured. There's no like, “well gosh, if season one does really well then season two will be fine.” It's completely secure for three seasons. It's all insured and backed by Blizzard, that kind of stuff.
He can't wash his hands of these promises. He stuck his neck out... made a big story out of all this.. and made the claim the $400,000 was backed and insured by Blizzard. Whatever that means. Blizzard is NOT an insurance company. So the terminology here is not exactly dead on correct. And when talking about $400,000 you'd expect ruthless attention to detail.
The pattern of behaviour here is similar to GosuGuide.com The Parallels are Ominous.
he talked big with GosuGuide.com and when the money was incoming he was right there. when the flow of cash slowed down and later parts of the project required some real work...he then began to distance himself from GosuGuide.com and claimed the "business guys" behind GosuGuide.com had left him in the lurch. And yet.. if u visit the site.. its still accepting orders and will still take ur money.. and there is Incontrol "front and centre".
Simiilar pattern thus far with NASL. Everything is great when $250 application fee money is streaming in. Now that has stopped and money must be paid out.. Incontrol is slowly distancing himself from NASL. And if the pattern holds true he will start talking in 3rd person terms about NASL and what "those guys are doing". If NASL fails he'll claim to be 1 of the victims duped by unscrupulous "business guys"... just as happened with GosuGuide.com.
I'd recommend no one pay any kind of "entry fee" for season 2 until all the season 1 prize money is handed out.
Is NASL another big idea, with Mr. Robinson starting off as the "face of organization", about to go bad? Time will tell.
incontrol lol. i'm not gonna say he's fucking dumb or anything but with all the silly drama about him having to grow up and be a face for esports and all of this nonsense, and then he goes and quits after only 1 season... idk what to say. he invested so much into being a caster, lost all the momentum he had gained after training in korea where he was starting to become a real threat in tournaments.
i guess when i think back to when NASL was being put together, and the months leading up to its announcement, it seemed like a much bigger deal than it actually ended up being. what was to be a star league comparable to GSL just never lived up to the hype, and so i guess i can understand his initial investment of time and effort and eventual disappointment and departure. it's still a good tournament, but it's only a star league in name.
either way, gl to you geoff, and i hope you get back on track with your gaming, but also i hope you get back on track with being yourself and not holding back anymore for the sake of... being the face of something big or whatever. you're back to just being a player, and i don't think you should compromise yourself unless absolutely necessary. greg doesn't and he benefits hugely from it without even intending to.
Wish you all the best Geoff. A relatively easy decision given your a competitive person and haven't reached your skill ceiling. Who knows how far you can go now you're focusing all your efforts on the one skill set. Loved your casting and I'm sure its something you can continue on with after you're done with competitive play.
Thank you for the glorious casting you have brought us, and all the joy everyone and myself has had been graced with having with you Geoff in the seat behind the mic. Best of luck to you in all your future goals and I personally cant wait to see you bringing down great results coming up.
I loved the chemistry that gretorp and incontrol had together. Was really fun to watch. A real bummer to hear that you're leaving Geoff, but thanks for casting while you could. I kinda feel bad for all the other pros though. He played at this level when he was casting THIS much, and doing all those business trips and tons of other stuff I'm sure I have no idea about. iNcontroL with this much extra time is gonna be taking tournaments left and right
thank you alot for casting nasl, but i think you are doing a mistake, you might have been skilled enough to compete before the scene was established like it is now because of ur talent, but i think you missed your shot tbh, stick to casting and coaching, dont make a fool out of urself, atleast you can say now that i was good, instead of everyone proving that wrong at the big tournaments.
On June 25 2011 10:35 Katyusha wrote: thank you alot for casting nasl, but i think you are doing a mistake, you might have been skilled enough to compete before the scene was established like it is now because of ur talent, but i think you missed your shot tbh, stick to casting and coaching, dont make a fool out of urself, atleast you can say now that i was good, instead of everyone proving that wrong at the big tournaments.
what shot? the game is too young, only more practice makes you better, talent is nothing without practice. i disagree with you Also i guess playing makes him more happy which is most important in the end.
On June 25 2011 05:56 chroniX wrote: Leaving the sinking ship....good move!
what?
Incontrol has always been really good at leaving risky business endeavors at the right time. He did it first with the SC2 guide and then with the SC2 coaching (just search for that stuff on the archives). NASL is probably on a really bad spot right now (a 5000 euros tournament like HomeStory racks up to 20000 viewers while the NASL does what, half of that?) , so he can't be blamed for taking some distance from it.
This is total crap.
Incontrol made a lot of promises to a lot of people: The money has been budgeted and secured. There's no like, “well gosh, if season one does really well then season two will be fine.” It's completely secure for three seasons. It's all insured and backed by Blizzard, that kind of stuff.
He can't wash his hands of these promises. He stuck his neck out... made a big story out of all this.. and made the claim the $400,000 was backed and insured by Blizzard. Whatever that means. Blizzard is NOT an insurance company. So the terminology here is not exactly dead on correct. And when talking about $400,000 you'd expect ruthless attention to detail.
The pattern of behaviour here is similar to GosuGuide.com The Parallels are Ominous.
he talked big with GosuGuide.com and when the money was incoming he was right there. when the flow of cash slowed down and later parts of the project required some real work...he then began to distance himself from GosuGuide.com and claimed the "business guys" behind GosuGuide.com had left him in the lurch. And yet.. if u visit the site.. its still accepting orders and will still take ur money.. and there is Incontrol "front and centre".
Simiilar pattern thus far with NASL. Everything is great when $250 application fee money is streaming in. Now that has stopped and money must be paid out.. Incontrol is slowly distancing himself from NASL. And if the pattern holds true he will start talking in 3rd person terms about NASL and what "those guys are doing". If NASL fails he'll claim to be 1 of the victims duped by unscrupulous "business guys"... just as happened with GosuGuide.com.
I'd recommend no one pay any kind of "entry fee" for season 2 until all the season 1 prize money is handed out.
Is NASL another big idea, with Mr. Robinson starting off as the "face of organization", about to go bad? Time will tell.
You and you're revisionist, half-baked history should be a bannable offense. Everything you've mentioned is imagined, fabricated or warped, and it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about how NASL is run, who runs it, or even how business works.
If the NASL fails, and there is absolutely now reason right now to think it would since they have financing for three seasons, it will almost have nothing to do with InControl, who was basically their contract employee.
Your attempt to blame InControl for a failure that a) hasn't even happened yet or b) he would deserve absolutely no fault for is so fucking despicable and low it makes me sick.
I can only assume that your a 15 year old that InControl beat you on the ladder once, and now you're making it a mission to drag his name in the mud. To which I say this: Go fuck yourself.
On June 24 2011 10:56 iNcontroL wrote: there absolutely will be a season 2!!
I even spoke about how gretorp will continue casting alongside other casters and I will make guest appearances.
We are also running a qualifier atm for season 2... please fix OP
LOL it seems like he really has lingering desire in casting.Maybe EG is putting pressure on him,team sponsors wouldnt be happy if he gates knocked out of every tourney in the first round,paying him travel expenses and salary.He's trying to be th community interactive guy which is useless if he gets demolished every lan he goes,and its totally useless to for the team. He really doesnt care about tourney results because he gains more money for himself by coaching and streaming anyways,redundant as a team.
Honestly I could care less if Geoff casts ( after the "top end" of casting as long as its not TB I could care less) or not. I can see why he needs the time, the dude really needs to get to marrying and focusing on playing!
I love watching incontrol's stream and commentary. It was obviously cutting big time into his practice though. Can't fault a player for wanting to play more. Best of luck man!
On June 25 2011 11:04 venge1155 wrote: NASL open stuff got a lot more views than the HSC got, not to mention the vods... I do not know what you guys are talking about.
Honestly I could care less if Geoff casts ( after the "top end" of casting as long as its not TB I could care less) or not. I can see why he needs the time, the dude really needs to get to marrying and focusing on playing!
What? the NASL open had like 4k viewers and the HSC had like 20k.
On June 25 2011 11:04 venge1155 wrote: NASL open stuff got a lot more views than the HSC got, not to mention the vods... I do not know what you guys are talking about.
Honestly I could care less if Geoff casts ( after the "top end" of casting as long as its not TB I could care less) or not. I can see why he needs the time, the dude really needs to get to marrying and focusing on playing!
What? the NASL open had like 4k viewers and the HSC had like 20k.
Also HSC is fucking awesome, you get to see the personalities behind the players. This is something NASL promised but never delivered.
This is both good and bad, it is good to see Inctonrol focusing more on the game because he does have an awesome understanding of the game and if he gets his mechanics up hopefully he will have better results like at the start of NASL and MLG Dallas but at the same time one of the things I like best about NASL was Incontrol's casting. Gretorp is fine but it depends on his partner in my opinion, when he is with incontrol I think they are great. I hope the NASL continues, it is great to have that many consistent games of players we know to look forward to. Personally after the FXO match last night I had little interest in watching the team league and switched over to homestory because I know the players more, same kind of thing goes for code A, I reallyb like that about NASL because nearly everyday there was one player or matchup that was worth watching. Anyways I hope incontrol plays to the best of his ability and sooner or later comes back to casting.
The problem with the NASL is it is too long a season for the western scene, the excitement came and went after the first couple of weeks, add in some no shows and shitty games and you've lost the interest of most people.
Like myself i'm sure there are alot of people that would rather watch the best of the best duke it out over a weekend for a smaller prize then watch mediocre players playing mediocre games on a nightly basis.
I wonder if the players feel the same way? I could see some of them saying something like ``ah shit, I have to play my NASL matches tonight, can`t wait till this is over and done with``
On June 25 2011 11:20 Powerforged2 wrote: I wonder if the players feel the same way? I could see some of them saying something like ``ah shit, I have to play my NASL matches tonight, can`t wait till this is over and done with``
Almost Naniwa's exact words from a post he made on TL about NASL.
On June 25 2011 11:20 Powerforged2 wrote: I wonder if the players feel the same way? I could see some of them saying something like ``ah shit, I have to play my NASL matches tonight, can`t wait till this is over and done with``
Almost Naniwa's exact words from a post he made on TL about NASL.
Ya I knew about Nani, kind of wondering if the other players are feeling the same way.
You and you're revisionist, half-baked history should be a bannable offense. Everything you've mentioned is imagined, fabricated or warped, and it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about how NASL is run, who runs it, or even how business works.
If the NASL fails, and there is absolutely now reason right now to think it would since they have financing for three seasons, it will almost have nothing to do with InControl, who was basically their contract employee.
Your attempt to blame InControl for a failure that a) hasn't even happened yet or b) he would deserve absolutely no fault for is so fucking despicable and low it makes me sick.
I can only assume that your a 15 year old that InControl beat you on the ladder once, and now you're making it a mission to drag his name in the mud. To which I say this: Go fuck yourself.
On June 25 2011 10:51 Defacer wrote: You and you're revisionist half baked history
if you are going to take big shots at me like this please at least get the basic grammar correct. it should be "you and your revisionist history"
unfortunately, http://www.GosuGuide.com is doing a pretty good job dragging his name through the mud. The site is still actively accepting orders with Mr. Robinson's name all over it. I'm just some random poster in the middle of a giant thread. Now, Mr. Robinson publicly acknowledged he exercised poor judgement is doing business with unscrupulous people in the formation of GosuGuide.com. As a result many innocent SC2 consumers were mislead regarding the product they were buying. Basically, a bunch of people got ripped off. Let's hope for everyone involved that Mr. Robinson did not exercise poor judgement again in dealing with the people at http://www.NASL.tv
NASL was good at accepting the application fees. Let's see how good they are at paying out the prize money.
I'd be cautious about giving them any money for Season 2 until the Season 1 prize money is handed out.
Is the NASL asking for Season 2 "application money" before handing out Season 1 prize money?
Regarding these comments about my lack of business acumen let's examine the motives of an eSports promoter or organizer than hands out 10s of thousands of dollars in prizes.
With the haphazard organization of NASL these kinds of questions arise. Furthermore, lacking a sponsor like a Chip Manufacturer, Peripheral Maker, or Dr. Pepper for that matter one must wonder how the NASL is sustainable. You see Razer, Intel, AMD and ZOTAC sponsor eSports events not because they want to generously hand out money, but because they want to advertise their brand. The same reason Honda, Toyota, FOrd and Penzoil sponsor and hand out huge prizes a auto racing events. It is because of facts like these that speculation regarding the long term viability of the NASL arises.
I hope I've satisfied your concerns regarding my lack of business acumen.
He quit SotG, and he seems to have been taking pro play more seriously ever since his good performances at MLG, I think they really bolstered his confidence.
Was pretty much waiting for this announcement, he'd been casting NASL less and less.
Oh nice,so lets see you soon here in Germany in HSC4 (perhaps?). Thought you would have had fun in Hsc 3 also,if you were amongst the Participants. haven´t known you quit casting as i wrote 2 you in the Hsc 3 Thread. Âs a Coach would say:"take your chance while you still CAN compete" you can probably switch after "retirement" anyway. Same gôes 4 Gretorp although i only have seen him a few times streaming. But after seeing White-ra use his "special tactics" today at his age,i think you will never be to old. Darkforce vs White-Ra was a personal highlight from this tourney,they are bot at my age So its honestly surprising 2 see Darkforce beeing completely thrown off-guard by White-Ras build,after they both had encountered aproximately 20 years of RTS experience! HasuObs" I saw this build on his Laddergame against Stephano,he got demolished by 25 coruptors,i thought he trolled Stephano,no srsly" Even Socke looked at it astonished and couldn´t believe it!
On June 25 2011 05:56 chroniX wrote: Leaving the sinking ship....good move!
what?
Incontrol has always been really good at leaving risky business endeavors at the right time. He did it first with the SC2 guide and then with the SC2 coaching (just search for that stuff on the archives). NASL is probably on a really bad spot right now (a 5000 euros tournament like HomeStory racks up to 20000 viewers while the NASL does what, half of that?) , so he can't be blamed for taking some distance from it.
This is total crap.
Incontrol made a lot of promises to a lot of people: The money has been budgeted and secured. There's no like, “well gosh, if season one does really well then season two will be fine.” It's completely secure for three seasons. It's all insured and backed by Blizzard, that kind of stuff.
He can't wash his hands of these promises. He stuck his neck out... made a big story out of all this.. and made the claim the $400,000 was backed and insured by Blizzard. Whatever that means. Blizzard is NOT an insurance company. So the terminology here is not exactly dead on correct. And when talking about $400,000 you'd expect ruthless attention to detail.
The pattern of behaviour here is similar to GosuGuide.com The Parallels are Ominous.
he talked big with GosuGuide.com and when the money was incoming he was right there. when the flow of cash slowed down and later parts of the project required some real work...he then began to distance himself from GosuGuide.com and claimed the "business guys" behind GosuGuide.com had left him in the lurch. And yet.. if u visit the site.. its still accepting orders and will still take ur money.. and there is Incontrol "front and centre".
Simiilar pattern thus far with NASL. Everything is great when $250 application fee money is streaming in. Now that has stopped and money must be paid out.. Incontrol is slowly distancing himself from NASL. And if the pattern holds true he will start talking in 3rd person terms about NASL and what "those guys are doing". If NASL fails he'll claim to be 1 of the victims duped by unscrupulous "business guys"... just as happened with GosuGuide.com.
I'd recommend no one pay any kind of "entry fee" for season 2 until all the season 1 prize money is handed out.
Is NASL another big idea, with Mr. Robinson starting off as the "face of organization", about to go bad? Time will tell.
Yet people asked about the money, time and time again. I definitely don't like the sound of things.
You and you're revisionist, half-baked history should be a bannable offense. Everything you've mentioned is imagined, fabricated or warped, and it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about how NASL is run, who runs it, or even how business works.
If the NASL fails, and there is absolutely now reason right now to think it would since they have financing for three seasons, it will almost have nothing to do with InControl, who was basically their contract employee.
Your attempt to blame InControl for a failure that a) hasn't even happened yet or b) he would deserve absolutely no fault for is so fucking despicable and low it makes me sick.
I can only assume that your a 15 year old that InControl beat you on the ladder once, and now you're making it a mission to drag his name in the mud. To which I say this: Go fuck yourself.
On June 25 2011 10:51 Defacer wrote: You and you're revisionist half baked history
if you are going to take big shots at me like this please at least get the basic grammar correct. it should be "you and your revisionist history"
unfortunately, http://www.GosuGuide.com is doing a pretty good job dragging his name through the mud. The site is still actively accepting orders with Mr. Robinson's name all over it. I'm just some random poster in the middle of a giant thread. Now, Mr. Robinson publicly acknowledged he exercised poor judgement is doing business with unscrupulous people in the formation of GosuGuide.com. As a result many innocent SC2 consumers were mislead regarding the product they were buying. Basically, a bunch of people got ripped off. Let's hope for everyone involved that Mr. Robinson did not exercise poor judgement again in dealing with the people at http://www.NASL.tv
NASL was good at accepting the application fees. Let's see how good they are at paying out the prize money.
I'd be cautious about giving them any money for Season 2 until the Season 1 prize money is handed out.
Is the NASL asking for Season 2 "application money" before handing out Season 1 prize money?
Regarding these comments about my lack of business acumen let's examine the motives of an eSports promoter or organizer than hands out 10s of thousands of dollars in prizes.
With the haphazard organization of NASL these kinds of questions arise. Furthermore, lacking a sponsor like a Chip Manufacturer, Peripheral Maker, or Dr. Pepper for that matter one must wonder how the NASL is sustainable. You see Razer, Intel, AMD and ZOTAC sponsor eSports events not because they want to generously hand out money, but because they want to advertise their brand. The same reason Honda, Toyota, FOrd and Penzoil sponsor and hand out huge prizes a auto racing events. It is because of facts like these that speculation regarding the long term viability of the NASL arises.
I hope I've satisfied your concerns regarding my lack of business acumen.
Here's the point: Let's say the NASL does tank?
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INCONTROL?
InControl was employed by the NASL. Do you seriously think that he is somehow liable for how they do business, or the prize money, or the salaries of employees?
Your original, ridiculous post suggests that -- somehow -- InControl should somehow be blamed IF the NASL were to fail, when all he did was his fucking job -- commentate the games and promote the enterprise as much as he could. And he did both those things quite well.
Your eagerness to assign guilt-by-association is preposterous and obviously motivated by a personal bias. It's like blaming a foot soldier for wasting hundreds of billions of dollar in the war in Iraq. It's like blaming Day 9 for the clusterfuck at MLG Dallas.
Your skepticism of the NASL may have merit -- however it is purely skepticism, there is absolutely nothing substantial to suggest otherwise. Still, it has nothing to do with InControl. Unless you can show me the documentation that suggests that InControl has equity in the NASL, is an owner, or was responsible for financing and finding sponsors for the NASL, it doesn't belong in this thread.
And your business acumen is still unsatisfactory, due to your inability to properly parse and separate different individuals from their responsibilities and respective liabilities.
I'm gonna miss seeing his personality in the sc2 community now that he resigned from NASL and State of the Game but atleast we get to see the progaming side of incontrol now. I'm sure this is the correct choice as this is what he wants and he has tremendous potential with a good team behind him and a great broodwar background.
On June 25 2011 11:04 venge1155 wrote: NASL open stuff got a lot more views than the HSC got, not to mention the vods... I do not know what you guys are talking about.
Honestly I could care less if Geoff casts ( after the "top end" of casting as long as its not TB I could care less) or not. I can see why he needs the time, the dude really needs to get to marrying and focusing on playing!
What? the NASL open had like 4k viewers and the HSC had like 20k.
Also HSC is fucking awesome, you get to see the personalities behind the players. This is something NASL promised but never delivered.
I think the post win interviews did a pretty good job of showing player personalities myself. Between the interviews and the games I think they delivered on that front but maybe that's just me.
You and you're revisionist, half-baked history should be a bannable offense. Everything you've mentioned is imagined, fabricated or warped, and it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about how NASL is run, who runs it, or even how business works.
If the NASL fails, and there is absolutely now reason right now to think it would since they have financing for three seasons, it will almost have nothing to do with InControl, who was basically their contract employee.
Your attempt to blame InControl for a failure that a) hasn't even happened yet or b) he would deserve absolutely no fault for is so fucking despicable and low it makes me sick.
I can only assume that your a 15 year old that InControl beat you on the ladder once, and now you're making it a mission to drag his name in the mud. To which I say this: Go fuck yourself.
On June 25 2011 10:51 Defacer wrote: You and you're revisionist half baked history
if you are going to take big shots at me like this please at least get the basic grammar correct. it should be "you and your revisionist history"
unfortunately, http://www.GosuGuide.com is doing a pretty good job dragging his name through the mud. The site is still actively accepting orders with Mr. Robinson's name all over it. I'm just some random poster in the middle of a giant thread. Now, Mr. Robinson publicly acknowledged he exercised poor judgement is doing business with unscrupulous people in the formation of GosuGuide.com. As a result many innocent SC2 consumers were mislead regarding the product they were buying. Basically, a bunch of people got ripped off. Let's hope for everyone involved that Mr. Robinson did not exercise poor judgement again in dealing with the people at http://www.NASL.tv
NASL was good at accepting the application fees. Let's see how good they are at paying out the prize money.
I'd be cautious about giving them any money for Season 2 until the Season 1 prize money is handed out.
Is the NASL asking for Season 2 "application money" before handing out Season 1 prize money?
Regarding these comments about my lack of business acumen let's examine the motives of an eSports promoter or organizer than hands out 10s of thousands of dollars in prizes.
With the haphazard organization of NASL these kinds of questions arise. Furthermore, lacking a sponsor like a Chip Manufacturer, Peripheral Maker, or Dr. Pepper for that matter one must wonder how the NASL is sustainable. You see Razer, Intel, AMD and ZOTAC sponsor eSports events not because they want to generously hand out money, but because they want to advertise their brand. The same reason Honda, Toyota, FOrd and Penzoil sponsor and hand out huge prizes a auto racing events. It is because of facts like these that speculation regarding the long term viability of the NASL arises.
I hope I've satisfied your concerns regarding my lack of business acumen.
Here's the point: Let's say the NASL does tank?
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INCONTROL?
InControl was employed by the NASL. Do you seriously think that he is somehow liable for how they do business, or the prize money, or the salaries of employees?
Your original, ridiculous post suggests that -- somehow -- InControl should somehow be blamed IF the NASL were to fail, when all he did was his fucking job -- commentate the games and promote the enterprise as much as he could. And he did both those things quite well.
Your eagerness to assign guilt-by-association is preposterous and obviously motivated by a personal bias. It's like blaming a foot soldier for wasting hundreds of billions of dollar in the war in Iraq. It's like blaming Day 9 for the clusterfuck at MLG Dallas.
Your skepticism of the NASL may have merit -- however it is purely skepticism, there is absolutely nothing substantial to suggest otherwise. Still, it has nothing to do with InControl. Unless you can show me the documentation that suggests that InControl has equity in the NASL, is an owner, or was responsible for financing and finding sponsors for the NASL, it doesn't belong in this thread.
And your business acumen is still unsatisfactory, due to your inability to properly parse and separate different individuals from their responsibilities and respective liabilities.
@Defacer you are trying to reason with idiots, this is not possible. A sensible person would see Geoff and his role with NASL for what it is, namely one of the casters of NASL. And as most people know, people who are casters are just that... casters, they do not hold any responsibility for any other part of that project.
On June 25 2011 15:56 Defacer wrote: Here's the point: Let's say the NASL does tank? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INCONTROL? InControl was employed by the NASL. Do you seriously think that he is somehow liable....
leaning on the Caps Lock key and swearing does not help your post.
if he makes promises that go unfulfilled it lowers his credibility...
and he painted the picture of being far more than a "contract employee". i remember in that IGN IPL interview thing he referred to the NASL by saying "i'm starting my own league" throughout the initial announcement its "we decided.." , "we thought ..."
if an organization goes down in the flames of unfulfilled promises then all involved look bad. the more deeply you're involved with the organization the worse you look. the guy who does nothing but print the live event tickets probably does not take much of a hit to his credibility... he is just getting paid to print the tickets.
But the guy who says "i'm starting my own league".. i'd say he is acknowledging a big involvement in it and he is not merely printing the tickets or reciting a memorized speech prepared by others.
and at this point i'd like to revisit my original conclusion and end things in a constructive manner
with the NASL only a few months old with no real ties to the SC2 community ( no Razer, no Intel , no zotac connections) it would be prudent for all involved to withhold payment of any kind of Season2 "application fee" payment until Season 1 prize money is handed out.
You and you're revisionist, half-baked history should be a bannable offense. Everything you've mentioned is imagined, fabricated or warped, and it's obvious you know absolutely nothing about how NASL is run, who runs it, or even how business works.
If the NASL fails, and there is absolutely now reason right now to think it would since they have financing for three seasons, it will almost have nothing to do with InControl, who was basically their contract employee.
Your attempt to blame InControl for a failure that a) hasn't even happened yet or b) he would deserve absolutely no fault for is so fucking despicable and low it makes me sick.
I can only assume that your a 15 year old that InControl beat you on the ladder once, and now you're making it a mission to drag his name in the mud. To which I say this: Go fuck yourself.
On June 25 2011 10:51 Defacer wrote: You and you're revisionist half baked history
if you are going to take big shots at me like this please at least get the basic grammar correct. it should be "you and your revisionist history"
unfortunately, http://www.GosuGuide.com is doing a pretty good job dragging his name through the mud. The site is still actively accepting orders with Mr. Robinson's name all over it. I'm just some random poster in the middle of a giant thread. Now, Mr. Robinson publicly acknowledged he exercised poor judgement is doing business with unscrupulous people in the formation of GosuGuide.com. As a result many innocent SC2 consumers were mislead regarding the product they were buying. Basically, a bunch of people got ripped off. Let's hope for everyone involved that Mr. Robinson did not exercise poor judgement again in dealing with the people at http://www.NASL.tv
NASL was good at accepting the application fees. Let's see how good they are at paying out the prize money.
I'd be cautious about giving them any money for Season 2 until the Season 1 prize money is handed out.
Is the NASL asking for Season 2 "application money" before handing out Season 1 prize money?
Regarding these comments about my lack of business acumen let's examine the motives of an eSports promoter or organizer than hands out 10s of thousands of dollars in prizes.
With the haphazard organization of NASL these kinds of questions arise. Furthermore, lacking a sponsor like a Chip Manufacturer, Peripheral Maker, or Dr. Pepper for that matter one must wonder how the NASL is sustainable. You see Razer, Intel, AMD and ZOTAC sponsor eSports events not because they want to generously hand out money, but because they want to advertise their brand. The same reason Honda, Toyota, FOrd and Penzoil sponsor and hand out huge prizes a auto racing events. It is because of facts like these that speculation regarding the long term viability of the NASL arises.
I hope I've satisfied your concerns regarding my lack of business acumen.
Here's the point: Let's say the NASL does tank?
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INCONTROL?
InControl was employed by the NASL. Do you seriously think that he is somehow liable for how they do business, or the prize money, or the salaries of employees?
Your original, ridiculous post suggests that -- somehow -- InControl should somehow be blamed IF the NASL were to fail, when all he did was his fucking job -- commentate the games and promote the enterprise as much as he could. And he did both those things quite well.
Your eagerness to assign guilt-by-association is preposterous and obviously motivated by a personal bias. It's like blaming a foot soldier for wasting hundreds of billions of dollar in the war in Iraq. It's like blaming Day 9 for the clusterfuck at MLG Dallas.
Your skepticism of the NASL may have merit -- however it is purely skepticism, there is absolutely nothing substantial to suggest otherwise. Still, it has nothing to do with InControl. Unless you can show me the documentation that suggests that InControl has equity in the NASL, is an owner, or was responsible for financing and finding sponsors for the NASL, it doesn't belong in this thread.
And your business acumen is still unsatisfactory, due to your inability to properly parse and separate different individuals from their responsibilities and respective liabilities.
This is pretty much just as distorted. He moved across the country and lived with the Russ guy from Gosucoaching to do NASL. Before it began he was the only one we knew who was involved with all the hype he was doing. Remember all the talk on SOTG about how it's the biggest thing in the entire esports world and he can't wait to reveal it and all that? He was so much more than just a caster before it began.
He was doing a great job at hyping it up, but when the community reaction was less than overwhelmingly positive he seemed to distance himself and now he's moving on.
I know the forum has a short memory span but to act like he was barely a part of it is just plain wrong. It was basically Incontrol's thing with these silent partners who they wouldn't even talk about if we asked, they'd give us some sarcastic response. As far as contracts, ownership etc we don't even know if they are an actual registered business. We know nothing of that so you're arguing from a position of ignorance.
You could certainly be right for all we know. Maybe Inc only lived with Russ temporarily and he was only brought in to hype it up at the beginning and then over the season limit his time spent on NASL and move on. Or maybe after it turned out it wasn't nearly as good as he thought it would be and that association with it no longer benefited him he decided to move on.
But then if he was hired explicitly to hype up the league you'd think he wouldn't stop 2 weeks in. My best guess is that he realized how much work it is, how poor NASL is, and how better his time is spent elsewhere. I don't think the quality is his fault at all, I can't say he planted the seed in everyone's head and it's all his fault that they wasted their time and money on NASL, but I can say it looks a little strange that he'd announce his departure before the finals and I am curious to hear what the NASL crew think of it all. But then their ability to interface with the community has been hilariously poor so who knows if they ever will talk about it.
It's a 9-5 for 3 months that doesn't allow me to travel as much as I'd like as a player. It's a 9-5 that detracts from my time to play (my actual passion). Having never casted especially on this level (Nobody has -- talking time commitment here) I didn't know how I would feel.
The league is promised to go beyond 1 season. I personally did not promise to be the head commentator for every season. My time became limited because I was traveling for EG etc... I have no idea where these theories come from stating I "noticed it wasn't doing as good so I started to distance myself." You'd have to be some kind of special dumb to try and connect those dots.. think I reached out to intel and had them run the "Love IT" event and invite me PURELY so I can cast less on NASL? wtf
NASL is doing great. Was it as big as my hype? Nope. But it is doing great and is planning on doing better season 2. Please stop spreading lies as if you have any special information (you don't) and your constant assuming/ignorance from your hideously negative perspective (jimmyraynor/floorexercise) is gross and annoying. Stop. Neither of you know anything aside from what you see on the forums and what you invent in your head (lol).
On June 26 2011 00:39 iNcontroL wrote: why guess when I tell you what is up?
I, personally, loved every minute of NASL, but casting it is evidently a lot of work and your decision not to do it for another season is perfectly understandable. No reason to answer the trolls with wild imaginations who come up with their own reasons for your choice.
So it was too much work for little reward so you quit, isn't that one of those insane special dumb theories I stated? Of course we don't know anything, NASL doesn't even like to tell us who the sucker losing all the money on it is. That's what the internet is for, baseless and often times absurd speculation.
My other absolutely baseless speculation is that the finals are going to be so bad that you want to make it clear that you have no affiliation to NASL before it even begins. I'm not stating anything as fact, I am just typing up the ridiculous scenarios that I conjure up with my overactive imagination
Far be it for people to make assumptions based on a history of coming up with tremendously cool ideas that end in tears and ashes. GosuCamp was nearing a full on riot according to PsyonicReaver, and it was Incontrol advertising it here. GosuGuide is, despite being all but confirmed a scam full of unfulfilled promises STILL taking orders to a Paypal account using your name to advertise it but you don't even try to alert Paypal and have it shut down? And up to about a month ago was STILL advertised in your tlnet profile. But you still maintain that you're the victim of some cut and run by Louder. Which maybe you are, but come on dude. Someone is either making money on your name and putting you in situations like this to have your credibility questioned, or you are complicit in it and still making money on GosuGuide. As Marlo says, your name is your name. + Show Spoiler +
You do a pretty good job of putting yourself in situations for people to make these wild zany assumptions, don't you think? The track record of you advertising something and then trying to shove it under the nearest rug is growing kind of long, I honestly don't think it's that big a leap to think NASL is headed the exact same direction given that they all have one thing in common. This place may have the memory span of a goldfish but it's like clockwork with you and your esport entrepreneurial adventures.
On June 26 2011 01:05 floor exercise wrote: So it was too much work for little reward so you quit, isn't that one of those insane special dumb theories I stated? Of course we don't know anything, NASL doesn't even like to tell us who the sucker losing all the money on it is. That's what the internet is for, baseless and often times absurd speculation.
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It's not that it was too much work for too little reward...it's too much work to do that, AND to be a professional player at the same time...
Being able to practice, or go to lans, or participate in events are all hindered by the fact that he was casting as a FULL TIME job, not as some little side gig that some people do on sunday afternoon where they don't have anything else going on
I'm sad to see him go, but glad to see him switching back to playing full time, i can't wait to see what inc has for us in the future.
floor excercise, you've been at this for awhile now.. moving from thread to thread trying to make a case that I am some kind of villain or w/e.
I am leaving the NASL because I want to play more. YOU are the idiot continually ignoring what I (the fucking person we are talking about) say and instead interpreting that what actually happened is I didn't want to work hard any more and left... can you please put your troll hat aside for 1 second and at least address what I say? I have a passion to play. I can't do that when I work on the NASL. Why hate on me for that? Cause I hyped the NASL? Sorry I guess. If you thought I was going to stay with the NASL and give up progaming I apologize if I lead you astray.
I am going to speak 1 more time to the shit about the Gosuguide / gosucamp / gosucoaching while louder ran it. I've spoken to all these things before... there were no fucking secrets (you are lying again) but here goes:
1. Gosuguide is not a scam. You pay for a guide, you get a guide. The guide was SUPPOSED to be updated that was a huge part of it's value. The owner, the guy with all the information / ability to update has had a child and is no longer responsive/working on the site. He is not known to me in person. I have no connection to him. I made a tremendous mistake attaching my name to a project when I did not personally know the guy. I have learned and will try and not make that mistake. No I have not contacted authorities to have the site closed down or w/e. Because I have no legal standing to do that. I do not get paid from him. I have removed all links to it. I get asked about it every 3 months or so by a person (like you) and each time I tell this story.
2. Gosucamp -- let me just start off by saying you quoted psyonicreaver (you are a huge idiot). You mean the guy who had a melt down at Riot and was fired and has since then quit anything gaming related and moved back to his parent's home in oregon to work a job at a mill? The guy who literally got drunk and told a bunch of lies about his friends on his stream? Not a good call buddy. We did 1 camp. It was messy as we had never ran anything like that. We did the best we could. We talked about doing more... then SC2 exploded. I don't have time to do it and neither does anyone else. Thankfully we don't have an obligation to do another.. we would LOVE to and will hopefully get there but atm it isn't feasible. Who the FUCK are you to hate on me for that? I'm sorry I put on a SC2 camp... what have you done?
3. Gosucoaching with Louder: Wow.. so this happened during the beta of SC2 nearly 1 year ago. He changed the payment system. People weren't getting lessons because the site was getting overloaded and he flipped out and posted a msg saying "well, you guys can get your money by complaining to paypal I won't touch the issue" SO YOU BET YOUR ASS I distanced myself. The owner of the site did the dumbest thing ever.. I had no control so I publicly stated I thought it was REALLY dumb and said I don't agree and will move on. WTF would YOU do? "Well, this is tough guys but I'm going to stick it out! GL with paypal!"
Since then Gosucoaching has done amazing under the ownership of Russ. Seen any issues from me? Didn't think so.
I've always found you extremely annoying. But at least do it where you aren't lying and being really really bad. PLZ!
On June 26 2011 01:30 iNcontroL wrote: floor excercise, you've been at this for awhile now.. moving from thread to thread trying to make a case that I am some kind of villain or w/e.
I am leaving the NASL because I want to play more. YOU are the idiot continually ignoring what I (the fucking person we are talking about) say and instead interpreting that what actually happened is I didn't want to work hard any more and left... can you please put your troll hat aside for 1 second and at least address what I say? I have a passion to play. I can't do that when I work on the NASL. Why hate on me for that? Cause I hyped the NASL? Sorry I guess. If you thought I was going to stay with the NASL and give up progaming I apologize if I lead you astray.
I am going to speak 1 more time to the shit about the Gosuguide / gosucamp / gosucoaching while louder ran it. I've spoken to all these things before... there were no fucking secrets (you are lying again) but here goes:
1. Gosuguide is not a scam. You pay for a guide, you get a guide. The guide was SUPPOSED to be updated that was a huge part of it's value. The owner, the guy with all the information / ability to update has had a child and is no longer responsive/working on the site. He is not known to me in person. I have no connection to him. I made a tremendous mistake attaching my name to a project when I did not personally know the guy. I have learned and will try and not make that mistake. No I have no contacted authorities to have the site closed down or w/e. Because I have no legal standing to do that. I do not get paid from him. I have removed all links to it. I get asked about it every 3 months or so by a person (like you) and each time I tell this story.
2. Gosucamp -- let me just start off by saying you quoted psyonicreaver (you are a huge idiot). You mean the guy who had a melt down at Riot and was fired and has since then quit anything gaming related and moved back to his parent's home in oregon to work a job at a mill? The guy who literally got drunk and told a bunch of lies about his friends on his stream? Not a good call buddy. We did 1 camp. It was messy as we had never ran anything like that. We did the best we could. We talked about doing more... than SC2 exploded. I don't have time to do it and neither does anyone else. Thankfully we don't have an obligation to do another.. we would LOVE to and will hopefully get there but atm it isn't feasible. Who the FUCK are you to hate on me for that? I'm sorry I put on a SC2 camp... what have you done?
3. Gosucoaching with Louder: Wow.. so this happened during the beta of SC2 nearly 1 year ago. He changed the payment system. People weren't getting lessons because the site was getting overloaded and he flipped out and posted a msg saying "well, you guys can get your money by complaining to paypal I won't touch the issue" SO YOU BET YOUR ASS I distanced myself. The owner of the site did the dumbest thing ever.. I had no control so I publicly stated I thought it was REALLY dumb and said I don't agree and will move on. WTF would YOU do? "Well, this is tough guys but I'm going to stick it out! GL with paypal!"
Since then Gosucoaching has done amazing under the ownership of Russ. Seen any issues from me? Didn't think so.
I've always found you extremely annoying. But at least do it where you aren't lying and being really really bad. PLZ!
Seems like you need to stop dealing with such shady ass people z.z
@greatness: congrats you read my post where I said I need to not deal with people I haven't met.
The only other person you could be referring to is Louder.. everyone knew/met him. People do dumb stuff. I could never eliminate interacting with dumb people forever..I can only try and avoid them (which I do).
Not sure where I'm lying when you admitted they were all failed projects in one way or another and they all involved you. We just established that it's all speculation and that random forum posters have incredibly limited information, why do you then keep claiming that I am a liar? How can I lie about facts I am not privy to?
I get that you're not happy with them, but it doesn't make me a liar or someone hellbent on the destruction of your character to point them out and to connect the dots to NASL.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
On June 26 2011 01:47 iNcontroL wrote: @greatness: congrats you read my post where I said I need to not deal with people I haven't met.
The only other person you could be referring to is Louder.. everyone knew/met him. People do dumb stuff. I could never eliminate interacting with dumb people forever..I can only try and avoid them (which I do).
On June 25 2011 15:56 Defacer wrote: Here's the point: Let's say the NASL does tank? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INCONTROL? InControl was employed by the NASL. Do you seriously think that he is somehow liable....
leaning on the Caps Lock key and swearing does not help your post.
if he makes promises that go unfulfilled it lowers his credibility...
and he painted the picture of being far more than a "contract employee". i remember in that IGN IPL interview thing he referred to the NASL by saying "i'm starting my own league" throughout the initial announcement its "we decided.." , "we thought ..."
if an organization goes down in the flames of unfulfilled promises then all involved look bad. the more deeply you're involved with the organization the worse you look. the guy who does nothing but print the live event tickets probably does not take much of a hit to his credibility... he is just getting paid to print the tickets.
But the guy who says "i'm starting my own league".. i'd say he is acknowledging a big involvement in it and he is not merely printing the tickets or reciting a memorized speech prepared by others.
and at this point i'd like to revisit my original conclusion and end things in a constructive manner
with the NASL only a few months old with no real ties to the SC2 community ( no Razer, no Intel , no zotac connections) it would be prudent for all involved to withhold payment of any kind of Season2 "application fee" payment until Season 1 prize money is handed out.
The use of the word "we" when representing or speaking on behalf of an organization in interviews is standard in the professional world. It's call being a team player, par for course for anyone that's ever been part of a team or had a real job, and is not indicative of actual ownership and responsibility.
You're reading WAAAAAAAAAY to much into it.
You're last suggestion of withholding payment is an active attempt to sabotage someone else's businees, just so you can fulfill your own depressing, cynical prophecy.
The NASL has a sensible need to mitigate their own risk. You on the other hand are an idiot that thinks the world is made of faceless corporations which hand out lucrative opportunities for players, without the players making any sort of commitment or having any skin in the game.
Disgusting sense of entitlement. Let me guess, you're an engineering or science student?
On June 26 2011 01:47 iNcontroL wrote: @greatness: congrats you read my post where I said I need to not deal with people I haven't met.
The only other person you could be referring to is Louder.. everyone knew/met him. People do dumb stuff. I could never eliminate interacting with dumb people forever..I can only try and avoid them (which I do).
Sorry your get rich quick schemes didn't work.
I guess it's all about esports and the fans huh?
??? Yes I coach SC2 as a get rich quick scam. I also put on SC2 camps and create content in my never ending effort to make millions of dollars.
I am a little sad to see him go. I thought he was performing fairly well in tournaments. But, I think he sees that competition is really starting to gear up and take a step to the next level. I'm interested to see where things go, but I am excited to see iNcontrol to put out some great games.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
At least Incontrol is attaching his name to these projects. It's just that the community likes to hate on him for some reason. Why doesn't select get this kind of shit? The thing he attached his name to was illegal and violated the ToS. All he had to do was say "Oops, sorry I didn't know it was against the rules", and everyone instantly forgave him. Incontrol is taking part in projects that help the community, it's just that even projects with the best intentions sometimes run into problems.
Look at all the stuff Incontrol was involved in: SoTG, gosucoaching, gosuguide, gosucamp, NASL, inside the game, etc. Who else comes close to doing all these community projects while being a progamer? You can't say "Oh Incontrol is involved, this will fail", because he's the only one doing this. If everyone other progamer tried to take part in this much, I would guarantee that there would be many failures for them too. Would you rather have players coming out and participating with the community, or staying away from all of the fans and just practicing? How much cooler is it to get to talk to the pros that we watch?
How is Incontrol trying to get rich quick? He's coaching to help people play. I remember him saying that he increased his price because he had too many coaching offers and it was cutting into his playing time.
Anyways, good luck to Incontrol in future tournements. I will be rooting for you in the next MLG, as I always have in the past. As sad as I am to see you leave NASL and SoTG, I'm sure you will do well as a player.
Shouldn't Teamliquid lock this thread down or atleast get rid of the obvious trolls? It's just a bunch of internet people complaining about incontrol's business surrounding starcraft 2. If they actually had an issue with his method of business, wouldn't they make their own blog post about it, or a thread, or simply PM incontrol themselves? I mean, this thread is about incontrol, ''leaving the NASL''. Not, ''incontrol running evil business''.
On topic now: I believe Incontrol still receives alot of hate for hyping the NASL, but I believe it's understandable that he'd rather train and become better instead of simply talk about the game.
This is a bummer. I love watching iNcontrol cast with Gretorp. I think they have really meshed well as a combo. I also love the little things he does, like the looks to the production staff or subtle (or not so subtle) pop culture references. Good luck as a pro player, hopefully the NASL can find someone that forms a good synergy with Gretorp.
On June 26 2011 02:14 OreoBoi wrote: At least Incontrol is attaching his name to these projects. It's just that the community likes to hate on him for some reason. Why doesn't select get this kind of shit? The thing he attached his name to was illegal and violated the ToS. All he had to do was say "Oops, sorry I didn't know it was against the rules", and everyone instantly forgave him.
Well it's a bit hard to answer for the entire community, especially because there are plenty of people that do nothing but support incontrol but...
It probably has something to do with his personality - he comes across as very egotistical and a bit arrogant. If anything he is involved with ever does experience difficulties, he becomes very defensive instead of admitting that improvements are needed(see SotG after NASL week 1). It also doesn't help that he frequently responds to trolls, which only fans the flames. Based on some of his other comments (debate with Destiny over language) to me he comes off as a guy who figures his meal ticket has finally come with SC2. I don't begrudge him that and think it is awesome that people who work hard(as he apparently does) can make a living doing the things they love, but I question the eagerness of some people in the community to exploit SC2 as rapidly and completely as possible. I cannot think of a single thing that I love that has been improved by achieving mainstream popularity.
On June 26 2011 01:47 iNcontroL wrote: @greatness: congrats you read my post where I said I need to not deal with people I haven't met.
The only other person you could be referring to is Louder.. everyone knew/met him. People do dumb stuff. I could never eliminate interacting with dumb people forever..I can only try and avoid them (which I do).
Sorry your get rich quick schemes didn't work.
I guess it's all about esports and the fans huh?
??? Yes I coach SC2 as a get rich quick scam. I also put on SC2 camps and create content in my never ending effort to make millions of dollars.
I so knew it.But i wonder doesnt EG interfer you on that?Your not doing any good on tourneys but you still coach alot you know.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
This is utterly embarrassing, come on. I've only read the last couple of pages but WOW some of you really need to snap out of it and get off Incontrol's back. He's not doing anything malicious or wrong here, and this is supposed to just inform people so they don't wonder later on why they aren't seeing Incontrol via NASL frequently in the near future. Seriously, what the hell is with all the accusations against him? Just close the thread, this is ridiculous...
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
The only problem with Geoff's casting was the lack of chemistry between him and Gretorp. However much like in a fine wine problems with chemistry are all fixed with age. I just wish we gave Geoff enough time to mature into his casting role. (of course the casting life style just might not be what he wants to do in which case good luck Incontroll).
What about http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218015 Is it all hype again or will this exist ? (not sure it's the good place to ask) I'm always very scared when a website asks to confirm my email address before telling me anything about what the website is. But it's perhaps a common practice in ESPORTS. Will you still make videos for them ?
... wtf is up with all the people hating on Incontrol in this thread? He does great stuff for E-sports, does it really matter if some of those project didn't have the outcome everyone wanted? Sometime stuff goes wrong deal with it, he did far more good than bad things And yeh sure he makes money of those things too, why shouldn't he? It's his job afterall. Can't you do something that's good for E-sports AND make money of it?
Hopefully he can get a lot better as a player now and show people how good he really is .
Incontrol deserves some credit for taking the time to enter this thread and directly answering the stated concerns.
On June 26 2011 01:55 Defacer wrote: The NASL has a sensible need to mitigate their own risk. You on the other hand are an idiot that thinks the world is made of faceless corporations which hand out lucrative opportunities for players, without the players making any sort of commitment or having any skin in the game. Disgusting sense of entitlement. Let me guess, you're an engineering or science student?
is this argument ad hominem?
its a new organization asking for money. expect skepticism. this 'entitlement' concept can work both ways. NASL and its staff must anticipate skepticism because they are new.... Incontrol (in this thread) has already acknowledged NASL was also over-hyped. There is no "entitlement" from skepticism for a brand new over-hyped organization.
On June 26 2011 01:55 Defacer wrote: The use of the word "we" when representing or speaking on behalf of an organization in interviews is standard in the professional world. It's call being a team player, par for course for anyone that's ever been part of a team or had a real job, and is not indicative of actual ownership and responsibility. You're reading WAAAAAAAAAY to much into it.
I guess you chose to ignore some content in my earlier post so I'll amplify my point for clarity.
During a very slickly produced interview with IGN regarding the IPL league Incontrol stated "I'm starting to start my own league" during his apology relating to restreaming GSL. Ironically, he makes this statement right after the interviewer warns him everything he says gets placed under a microscope. With this context set up by the interviewer it is interesting Mr. Robinson chose to accept the ownership role of the new league in his comment. Here Is the IGN IPL Interview - Note Its Date
This is why I believed Incontrol's involvement consisted of more than just being "a contract employee" as stated by an earlier poster.
On June 26 2011 01:55 Defacer wrote: You're last suggestion of withholding payment is an active attempt to sabotage someone else's businees, just so you can fulfill your own depressing, cynical prophecy.
I think I can sum up many of Incontrol's past errors by stating the he failed to perform due diligence before making his choices. Restream GSL, state NASL will start 7 days before it does, get involved with GosuGuide.com, and other smaller inconsistencies are becoming part of a pattern of over hype and weak execution. Past successes and past errors impact the way one is perceived in the present and future. Add up all these tiny details and I'm definitely not the only person approaching anything the NASL promises with greater than usual skepticism.
If the NASL hands out all $400,000 (tax rules regarding prizes of this size must be respected so the players might not see exactly $400,000 hit their bank accounts) then Mr. Robinson must be given credit for contributing to the start of this fledgling organization. NASL has been entertaining to watch and the event in Ontario, California is must-see viewing.
SC2 eSports events are fascinating... and sometimes the business behind an SC2 eSports event is even more fascinating. InControl has contributed greatly in this regard.
On June 25 2011 11:04 venge1155 wrote: NASL open stuff got a lot more views than the HSC got, not to mention the vods... I do not know what you guys are talking about.
Honestly I could care less if Geoff casts ( after the "top end" of casting as long as its not TB I could care less) or not. I can see why he needs the time, the dude really needs to get to marrying and focusing on playing!
What? the NASL open had like 4k viewers and the HSC had like 20k.
Also HSC is fucking awesome, you get to see the personalities behind the players. This is something NASL promised but never delivered.
The nasl promised to tell you the story of a player, not show you their personalities. Something they still failed to deliver on, imo.
This may have been said already but whatever. Those of you who are fans of incontrol, and particularly his personality, should welcome this change on the basis of him not being as restricted as before in terms of what he says. I'm not sure how associated he is with certain organizations now but at least not being a part of the NASL means more freedom for him to show off his personality, much like IdrA.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
I think it's for the best. He's a great caster, but I would love to see how he plays, when he only does that. So will miss him as a caster, but can't wait to see him play for real now!
On June 26 2011 01:55 Defacer wrote: The use of the word "we" when representing or speaking on behalf of an organization in interviews is standard in the professional world. It's call being a team player, par for course for anyone that's ever been part of a team or had a real job, and is not indicative of actual ownership and responsibility. You're reading WAAAAAAAAAY to much into it.
I guess you chose to ignore some content in my earlier post so I'll amplify my point for clarity.
During a very slickly produced interview with IGN regarding the IPL league Incontrol stated "I'm starting to start my own league" during his apology relating to restreaming GSL. Ironically, he makes this statement right after the interviewer warns him everything he says gets placed under a microscope. With this context set up by the interviewer it is interesting Mr. Robinson chose to accept the ownership role of the new league in his comment. Here Is the IGN IPL Interview - Note Its Date
This is why I believed Incontrol's involvement consisted of more than just being "a contract employee" as stated by an earlier poster.
Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league."
Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league."
Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals.
For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."
But honestly, we could just ask the guy.
HEY INCONTROL, do you have any ownership or stake in the NASL?
On June 26 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote: Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league." Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league." Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals. For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."
nice long winded giant stretch..... but hey its entertaining if nothing else. it becomes harder to make that stretch because of context.
but let's follow this stretch because you are trying hard!
if this is the case then the previous posters comment that Mr. Robinson is some far off arm's length parrot repeating whatever company line they feed him IS INCORRECT. Mr. Robinson is then an active participant in the NASL.
Therefore, the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money comes to us not from a paid actor reciting voice lines by rote but an active integral member of the NASL team.
With the laundry list of past issues (already acknowledged in this thread) it is up to Mr. Robinson to perform due diligence in verifying the content of any NASL announcements he made.
With Mr. Robinson's acknowledged poor track record of judgement previous co-workers in projects (Louder with GosuCoaching ; MysteryMan with GosuGuide, etc etc etc). The lack of a major hardware manufacturer sponsor. The volatility in NASL so far. I believe it is reasonable for me to be skeptical about the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money.
Notice I did not say Mr. Robinson is a bank robber about to take down Chase-Manhatten Bank on 40th street. All i said was that it is reasonable to be skeptical.
With this healthy skepticism in mind let's find out if 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money is still on the table or if this has changed. Let's add this question as well.
As we already know.. a great deal about NASL has changed since mid-April and therefore it is reasonable to ask the above question as well.
So I'll add some bold type for a similar dramatic effect as in your post. Are 3 Seasons with $400,000 In Prize Money Still On The Schedule or has this changed?
On June 26 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote: Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league." Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league." Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals. For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."
nice long winded giant stretch..... but hey its entertaining if nothing else. it becomes harder to make that stretch because of context.
but let's follow this stretch because you are trying hard!
if this is the case then the previous posters comment that Mr. Robinson is some far off arm's length parrot repeating whatever company line they feed him IS INCORRECT. Mr. Robinson is then an active participant in the NASL.
Therefore, the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money comes to us not from a paid actor reciting voice lines by rote but an active integral member of the NASL team.
With the laundry list of past issues (already acknowledged in this thread) it is up to Mr. Robinson to perform due diligence in verifying the content of any NASL announcements he made.
With Mr. Robinson's acknowledged poor track record of judgement previous co-workers in projects (Louder with GosuCoaching ; MysteryMan with GosuGuide, etc etc etc). The lack of a major hardware manufacturer sponsor. The volatility in NASL so far. I believe it is reasonable for me to be skeptical about the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money.
Notice I did not say Mr. Robinson is a bank robber about to take down Chase-Manhatten Bank on 40th street. All i said was that it is reasonable to be skeptical.
With this healthy skepticism in mind let's find out if 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money is still on the table or if this has changed. Let's add this question as well.
As we already know.. a great deal about NASL has changed since mid-April and therefore it is reasonable to ask the above question as well.
So I'll add some bold type for a similar dramatic effect as in your post. Are 3 Seasons with $400,000 In Prize Money Still On The Schedule or has this changed?
On June 26 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote: Alright sir, I have watched this interview, and yes, he does say, "I'm trying to start my own league." Again though, I think you're reading too much into it. As part of a complicated answer regarding the mistakes he's made, he could have easily misspoken, and meant, "I'm currently involved in the creation of a new league." Geoff may just be taking ownership of it, the way all good team players take ownership of team goals. For example, I'm managing the design and construction of the park right now. I could easily imagine someone asking me how I was doing, and me responding, "Going insane. Still trying to get my park built."
nice long winded giant stretch..... but hey its entertaining if nothing else. it becomes harder to make that stretch because of context.
but let's follow this stretch because you are trying hard!
if this is the case then the previous posters comment that Mr. Robinson is some far off arm's length parrot repeating whatever company line they feed him IS INCORRECT. Mr. Robinson is then an active participant in the NASL.
Therefore, the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money comes to us not from a paid actor reciting voice lines by rote but an active integral member of the NASL team.
With the laundry list of past issues (already acknowledged in this thread) it is up to Mr. Robinson to perform due diligence in verifying the content of any NASL announcements he made.
With Mr. Robinson's acknowledged poor track record of judgement previous co-workers in projects (Louder with GosuCoaching ; MysteryMan with GosuGuide, etc etc etc). The lack of a major hardware manufacturer sponsor. The volatility in NASL so far. I believe it is reasonable for me to be skeptical about the promise of 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money.
Notice I did not say Mr. Robinson is a bank robber about to take down Chase-Manhatten Bank on 40th street. All i said was that it is reasonable to be skeptical.
With this healthy skepticism in mind let's find out if 3 seasons and $400,000 in prize money is still on the table or if this has changed. Let's add this question as well.
As we already know.. a great deal about NASL has changed since mid-April and therefore it is reasonable to ask the above question as well.
So I'll add some bold type for a similar dramatic effect as in your post. Are 3 Seasons with $400,000 In Prize Money Still On The Schedule or has this changed?
It's not a stretch at all man. It's actually really normal.
I'll use an analogy that you'll understand. It's like saying, "Hey man, you should come over to my place!" instead of "Hey man, you should come over to the basement of my parent's house where I live in rent-free squalor. Be really quiet or I'll get in trouble!"
I've interviewed people before. People always take credit for things that they are only contributing to. And they always up-sell what they do, and themselves.
I can understand your skepticism regarding the NASL. I really do. But I still don't see how InControl is responsible for their financial situation, or what you gain by speculating and starting rumors about it.
LOL I think this is just a polite way of putting things. You think they would keep him and let Day9 just sit by the wayside?!?!?! COME ON!!! I wonder how long Gretorp will stick around?
It's not a stretch at all man. It's actually really normal. You're barking up the wrong tree, dude.
i am not claiming he has to personally pay the prize money.
i am claiming every persons credibility is at stake for the things they promise. its not like he is a voice actor reciting a script.
in the future should Mr. Robinson promise something big.. or be the spokesperson for some other endeavour previous track record comes into play.... that is the cold hard reality we live in.
he called it "my league" the interviewer cautioned him about his words getting misinterpreted.
let's see if the 2 questions placed in bold get answered.
I'm glad you've acknowledged its reasonable to be skeptical about the $400,000 in prize money though
It's not a stretch at all man. It's actually really normal. You're barking up the wrong tree, dude.
he called it "my league" the interviewer cautioned him about his words getting mininterpreted.
let's see if the 2 questions placed in bold get answered.
I'm glad you've acknowledged its reasonable to be skeptical about the $400,000 in prize money though
I think it was ambitious to guarantee three seasons, yes. They would be better off investing in improving the production of a second season than guaranteeing a third. And personally, I wouldn't hold that against them if they did.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
Hahaha. Great post. The best bit is seeing other people take it seriously... I love people with an inability to recognise when comedy is occuring.
On June 26 2011 13:28 Malgrif wrote: i always thought incontrol was the boss of NASL or something. so since i'm ignorant in this respect, who runs the NASL?
i believe xeris runs nasl. along with a mystery donor who guaranteed at least 3 seasons with $400,000 in the bank.
But I get the feeling that it'll last 2 seasons and then stop. It's just not really doing so hot and I feel as if it NEEDS a dramatic change in direction. someone to save NASL and bring it to the top.
first...get rid of the looooooooooong season schedule. it really isn't helping in the quality of games; it also has led to many walkovers.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
Hahaha. Great post. The best bit is seeing other people take it seriously... I love people with an inability to recognise when comedy is occuring.
When people have nothing left to say, they get cute.
I'm more than willing to believe his testimony that he's a failure and a douche.
I like it! He did a great job at NASL but i think the longer he was casting the less good he played sc 2. I followed his stream alot and even if i´m just a Silverleague-noob i could see that his skilllevel was suffering. The last streams on his channel where mostly 4 gate or loss . I´m absolutly sure he can do better because he already did. I will miss him at NASL but i´d preffere to see him play awsome games. What about changing to 90% gaming and just 10% casting!?!
That should be it for my first post... no just one more thing: "GO GEOFF GO!"
On June 26 2011 13:28 Malgrif wrote: i always thought incontrol was the boss of NASL or something. so since i'm ignorant in this respect, who runs the NASL?
i believe xeris runs nasl. along with a mystery donor who guaranteed at least 3 seasons with $400,000 in the bank.
But I get the feeling that it'll last 2 seasons and then stop. It's just not really doing so hot and I feel as if it NEEDS a dramatic change in direction. someone to save NASL and bring it to the top.
first...get rid of the looooooooooong season schedule. it really isn't helping in the quality of games; it also has led to many walkovers.
Xeris is some kind of producer/manager.
I believe Russ (from Gosucoaching?) is the owner. Unless Xeris is secretly a trust fund baby with money to burn; who also likes running around trying to figure out where the hell PainUser is in his free time.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.
No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.
No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
Now this I can understand. InControl is a very opinionated person, and I can understand how people might relish any opportunity to criticize him.
But man, some of it is out of hand. It's like there's people on this board that are going to forever fault him for trying anything ... forever. People have to get over it.
I don't even know the guy, but I hate being part of a community where someone tries something new, and random strangers just drudge up every mistake they've ever been associated with and try to shit on it before it even has a chance to succeed.
Am I the only person that thinks that's depressing as hell?
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.
No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
Now this I can understand. InControl is a very opinionated person, and I can understand how people might relish any opportunity to criticize him.
But man, some of it is out of hand. It's like there's people on this board that are going to forever fault him for trying anything ... forever. People have to get over it.
I don't even know the guy, but I hate being part of a community where someone tries something new, and random strangers just drudge up every mistake they've ever been associated with and try to shit on it before it even has a chance to succeed.
Am I the only person that thinks that's depressing as hell?
You reap what you sow on the internet. That's just the way it is. May not be pretty but it probably wont change.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.
No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
Now this I can understand. InControl is a very opinionated person, and I can understand how people might relish any opportunity to criticize him.
But man, some of it is out of hand. It's like there's people on this board that are going to forever fault him for trying anything ... forever. People have to get over it.
I don't even know the guy, but I hate being part of a community where someone tries something new, and random strangers just drudge up every mistake they've ever been associated with and try to shit on it before it even has a chance to succeed.
Am I the only person that thinks that's depressing as hell?
You reap what you sow on the internet. That's just the way it is. May not be pretty but it probably wont change.
If tomorrow we find out that InControl pulled a Chris Brown and there's bruised Anna Prousser images all over the internet, I will join this weird bandwagon.
Until then, you crazy fuckers are overreacting. Dang.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.
No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
Now this I can understand. InControl is a very opinionated person, and I can understand how people might relish any opportunity to criticize him.
But man, some of it is out of hand. It's like there's people on this board that are going to forever fault him for trying anything ... forever. People have to get over it.
I don't even know the guy, but I hate being part of a community where someone tries something new, and random strangers just drudge up every mistake they've ever been associated with and try to shit on it before it even has a chance to succeed.
Am I the only person that thinks that's depressing as hell?
You reap what you sow on the internet. That's just the way it is. May not be pretty but it probably wont change.
If tomorrow we find out that InControl pulled a Chris Brown and there's bruised Anna Prousser images all over the internet, I will join this weird bandwagon.
Until then, you crazy fuckers are overreacting. Dang.
That's your opinion, which seems very defensive towards someone you don't really know. If you dish out shit left and right you gotta be ready to take just as much or more back when being a "celebrity". You act like he should get a free pass to say whatever he wants without backlack just cause he is famous.
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.
No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
Now this I can understand. InControl is a very opinionated person, and I can understand how people might relish any opportunity to criticize him.
But man, some of it is out of hand. It's like there's people on this board that are going to forever fault him for trying anything ... forever. People have to get over it.
I don't even know the guy, but I hate being part of a community where someone tries something new, and random strangers just drudge up every mistake they've ever been associated with and try to shit on it before it even has a chance to succeed.
Am I the only person that thinks that's depressing as hell?
You reap what you sow on the internet. That's just the way it is. May not be pretty but it probably wont change.
If tomorrow we find out that InControl pulled a Chris Brown and there's bruised Anna Prousser images all over the internet, I will join this weird bandwagon.
Until then, you crazy fuckers are overreacting. Dang.
Judging by your feverish and incessant defense of a person you don't know against nerds who just have their own opinion... i'd say you might be overreacting too.
GJ iNcontroL on the 1st season of NASL. As one of the more interesting protoss out their I am looking forward to getting the success you deserve after everything you have done for the community!
On a side note... will you be rejoining SotG with your new found time :D
I don't think you're diabolical or a bad person or that you look for ways to scam people left and right. I just think you put your name to so many bad things that I can only reasonably come to conclusion that the next thing with your name affixed to it will be tainted as well. I'm sorry it upsets you to be questioned on things and asked for clarification and to dig up that long list of disappointing projects, but I appreciate that you responded.
I would love to meet with you floor exercise, and openly discuss your personal history. We can talk about your experience free lance coaching or playing games professionally, and discuss your attempts at carving out a living in an new and untested industry, with very little history of success in North America.
Oh wait, you have ZERO experience?
Have you ever worked for yourself or started a business?
Have you ever taught a class?
Have you ever successfully asked out a girl?
Please, bitch. Every entrepreneur has been involved in a long string of success and failures. I'm willing to be InControl's CV/resume is a lot more impressive than yours.
Your overtly hostile tone had me torn between reporting your post or responding with equal malice, but I will try to take the higher road.
My experience in coaching is admittedly lacking, I once ironically pretended to coach an indoor soccer team comprised of high school friends. I would wear a sportscoat and bring an old briefcase I found in my basement, riddled with BB gun pellets from target practice as a child. Our team was awful and we were expelled from the league for starting fights. As coach the failure was entirely mine, I taught virtually nothing and didn't really do that well in the fights either. Though bards often frequented this particular indoor sports dome, none would sing of my heroic deeds in the many battle royals that occurred on that astroturf.
On professional video gaming, I was a Big Deal in the 2v2v2v2 BGH scene on US east. My friends and I were incredibly good at Team Micro Arena as well, and to this day I believe we influenced the meta game with our infested terran usage.
You're right, I don't exactly know the struggle of coaching games in North America. I am swayed by your post however, I never once even considered how difficult it could be trying to convince people to give you money in exchange for lessons on how to play a game marginally well. Somewhere in some unmarked grave lies the corpse of an immigrant whose sole pliable trade when he landed on Ellis Island was his impeccable Ball and Cup skills. I can only imagine the scorn he likely had to endure as he struggled to make a living doing what he loved. Somewhere below my shriveled heart a knot tightens in my stomach just thinking of him.
On the subject of my professional career I am a licensed securities dealer and agent in Canada (but not Quebec) I have worked for myself, others and no one. I have written business plans but I have never started my own business. Unless you consider the time in 5th grade we would steal from the convenience store my schoolmate's parents ran and sold their candy at a reduced rate in the schoolyard. Although usually I find "Please Bitch" irresistible I find it best to publish as little about your personal life as possible and I hope you can respect that.
The first girl I asked out was in 7th grade. It seems so long ago now. It was in wood shop, I threw a note at her. She shared it with her friend, along with a giggle. I was crushed, with no one to share that feeling with but all of you which explains why I am such a bitter, angry asshole. I tried once more when I asked her to the school dance. She said she's going with friends but she'd "see me there". She'd certainly see me, it's hard to miss the person you're pointing and laughing at. Since then I'd have my ups and downs with women and most people do as they learn to live and love. We're really straying from the point of this thread though. It's cool that you took an interest in me though :D
So we agree, you're not qualified to judge someone like InControl so harshly.
Maybe one day, you'll actually put yourself in a position were you stick your neck out there. Try to make a living in an nascent industry. Start your own business. Manage a large and diverse team to complete a large project. Do what you love. Quite frankly, being a securities dealer isn't that ambitious -- it's a pretty linear and safe career path, with many established paths and opportunities to make, at minimum, a reasonable living.
InControl's been part of a lot of ambitious, collaborative projects related to e-sports. That sounds about as lucrative and reliable as trying to be a professional skateboarder in the early 80's. Not all these projects have worked out, that's obvious. But there's a lot of reasons why projects like these fail. It can be as simple as someone having a kid, or their mother getting sick. An investor breaks a promise. That kind of shit.
In your post, you recognize your own failures and self-interest. Good for you. But it's pretty easy to 'take the high road' now after sinking so low, if avoiding an argument is taking the high road.
Go ahead and report my post, if you think it's so hostile. I'm not the one that has been trying to drag someone else's name in the mud needlessly for months.
It's just not about sticking your neck out there in a risky business. It's about trashtalking people and businesses left and right then not delivering close to what you hype your own stuff up to be.
No one would care if it wasn't for the very harsh critique of other casters/leagues yet when NASL comes out it's pretty horrible with spoilers/shit sound/lag etc.
Now this I can understand. InControl is a very opinionated person, and I can understand how people might relish any opportunity to criticize him.
But man, some of it is out of hand. It's like there's people on this board that are going to forever fault him for trying anything ... forever. People have to get over it.
I don't even know the guy, but I hate being part of a community where someone tries something new, and random strangers just drudge up every mistake they've ever been associated with and try to shit on it before it even has a chance to succeed.
Am I the only person that thinks that's depressing as hell?
You reap what you sow on the internet. That's just the way it is. May not be pretty but it probably wont change.
If tomorrow we find out that InControl pulled a Chris Brown and there's bruised Anna Prousser images all over the internet, I will join this weird bandwagon.
Until then, you crazy fuckers are overreacting. Dang.
Judging by your feverish and incessant defense of a person you don't know against nerds who just have their own opinion... i'd say you might be overreacting too.
Hey, I wouldn't disagree with you. At all. I am absolutely overreacting.
It's partly because I know why guys like Day9, Artosis, Tasteless, HD, Husky and almost every other public figure in Starcraft barely posts on the TL boards anymore.
It's because of assholes like us.
To InControl's credit, he still participates in the forums. Which is kind of suicidal.
So some reason, I just feel obligated to defend the guy. It would be a shame if all the pro's on this board just disappeared. It's basically been the foundation of TL's success.
I don't understand this.. Was it his decision or the owners of the leagues ? Because he was by far the best commentator, and I found him to be the huge star of what has been kind of a bleak tournament
less of his casting... yet what sounds like more of his top class playing its bittersweet, loved his casting yet also love his playing just gl hf to geoff and whatever he decides is best to do
Uh oh. This won't be good for NASL. He was the #1 proponent of it, and now... I just don't know. Hopefully the insane player pool will be enough to keep it popular in season 2.
On June 26 2011 13:28 Malgrif wrote: i always thought incontrol was the boss of NASL or something. so since i'm ignorant in this respect, who runs the NASL?
i believe xeris runs nasl. along with a mystery donor who guaranteed at least 3 seasons with $400,000 in the bank.
But I get the feeling that it'll last 2 seasons and then stop. It's just not really doing so hot and I feel as if it NEEDS a dramatic change in direction. someone to save NASL and bring it to the top.
first...get rid of the looooooooooong season schedule. it really isn't helping in the quality of games; it also has led to many walkovers.
i c... is there any official source that actually can tell us the internal structure of the NASL? it seems almost silly as there is no one that we can hold responsible other than the "NASL" as a whole (i think that's probably why incontoll is taking some much flack). someone is making the big decisions and they should be held responsible.
No I don't have any ownership in NASL. I am the commentator for season 1
I relayed what was relayed to me.. the intention/promise for 3 seasons and 400k$
If that doesn't happen (I have no reason to believe it won't) you can blame me if you like... just like you can blame the "can you hear me now?" guy if verizon goes back on one of it's promises. I was told a message and to promote something so I did.
sad to see iNcontroL leave as he was a really good caster in my opinion, but it's also fantastic to see that he will hopefully be competing more. i love iNcontroL as an esports personality, so as long as he stays involved in the scene, that's good enough for me ^_^
NASL could have been big if they just produced a better product. Maybe they can recover for season 2, but I just hope the players get paid the prize money and aren't left hanging with no recourse if the money just disappears.
The one thing I don't get is they take 2 days for post production before airing the games. However, I see no post production added for the games. There's no graphics no nothing. Just the double cam shot of both players bases at start of game. No graphics or nothing after game. So my question is, what are they doing for those 2 days in post production besides showing a parody vid or top 10 vid.
The one thing I don't get is they take 2 days for post production before airing the games. However, I see no post production added for the games.
Ya and after two days there's still a lot of mistakes (like spoiling games that haven't even been casted yet)
I think IPL puts in a week of post-production.
I know NASL has said in the past that casting from replays is inherently inferior, but personally, I think live casting has hurt them more then helped them. It makes scheduling across multiple timezones a nightmare for the leagues and the players, forces the commentators to wait around and cast out sequence (making their job twice as hard), makes errors far more likely, and at least doubles the post-production time.
It's the most expensive decision they've made outside of the prize pool, and the benefits are limited, tbh.
The one thing I don't get is they take 2 days for post production before airing the games. However, I see no post production added for the games.
Ya and after two days there's still a lot of mistakes (like spoiling games that haven't even been casted yet)
I think IPL puts in a week of post-production.
I know NASL has said in the past that casting from replays is inherently inferior, but personally, I think live casting has hurt them more then helped them. It makes scheduling across multiple timezones a nightmare for the leagues and the players, forces the commentators to wait around and cast out sequence (making their job twice as hard), makes errors far more likely, and at least doubles the post-production time.
It's the most expensive decision they've made outside of the prize pool, and the benefits are limited, tbh.
Agreed 100%. Why don't they just cast from replays instead of this "fake live" stuff. The method they have chosen is just inferior in every way to the other two. It is like they could have chose A or B and they decided to make C and go with that which ends up being the worst possible choice
This should really help him improve his game, so I view at as only a good thing. While he is a good caster, this also opens up doors for new casters to come in while letting iNcontroL focus on playing.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
Well, he's a mediocre player BECAUSE of casting/being a community figure. You're a player equal to the time you put in.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
He's still among the top NA protosses. But that just shows that NA isn't great lol.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
that sucks, I liked Geoff as a caster, always speaks his mind not going to hold back because of the public eye, I mean he sure isn't no Steven Bonnell, but he keeps it real :D. Plus I'm a protoss so I like listening to what another protoss player better than me thinks about certain situations as I'm just a newbie. I always wanted to see geoff go full out competitive play without worrying about anything else, I'm positive he can be a top player in NA as if he isn't already, it just takes a lot of practice which dropping these casting shows will help him with that. So MORE streaming from INCONTROL! One of my favorite (pro)toss players :D.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
lol you should 1v1 him and see if you can make it past the 5 minute mark, I bet he could use zerg and roll you, so it's kind of funny you're judging the skill of another player when you, I mean who? states he is a mediocre player. I'm sure you've been to many lans/shout cast/beat top players in the world.
On June 27 2011 07:07 Shasta37 wrote: InControl is a wretch. Good riddens.
I have no respect for you. iNcontroL has done a bunch for e-sports and the starcraft II community, more than you can ever dream of doing. go back to your basement and fap some more, and let people who are actually worth something contribute without useless garbage like you.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
lol you should 1v1 him and see if you can make it past the 5 minute mark, I bet he could use zerg and roll you, so it's kind of funny you're judging the skill of another player when you, I mean who? states he is a mediocre player. I'm sure you've been to many lans/shout cast/beat top players in the world.
Why do you need to beable to beat him to beable to look at his results and see that what iowreezy said is true? however going to be interesting to see what he does now that he can focus on gaming and doesnt have as many distractions
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
draco is polish, and day9 didn't even compete in wcg 09, and incontrol just lurkling all in'd everyone
northern ireland is also far smaller than the US, thanks for trying champ
iNcontroL is a great, upstanding guy who is a pillar of the SC2 community.
Sure, he has been involved in a few flops. Sure, he isn't posting the greatest results at the moment. But I am sure he is just as aware of that as we are, if not more so. Which is exactly why he has dropped out of SotG and casting NASL - so he can focus on his true passion, being a pro-gamer.
I'm sick and tired of people coming to the TL forums and using it as a place to vent, especially when they vent by bashing people such as iNcontroL, who work hard and genuinely care about the community.
@iNcontroL - You, sir, have my utmost respect, and I'm sure the majority of the community agrees with me. I am sorry you have to deal with the vocal minority of shitheads.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
draco is polish, and day9 didn't even compete in wcg 09, and incontrol just lurkling all in'd everyone
northern ireland is also far smaller than the US, thanks for trying champ
That doesn't change the fact that US has a shit ton of good players and Incontrol beat alot of them. All-in is a tactic, a win is a win even if it is a cheesy win
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
draco is polish, and day9 didn't even compete in wcg 09, and incontrol just lurkling all in'd everyone
northern ireland is also far smaller than the US, thanks for trying champ
That doesn't change the fact that US has a shit ton of good players and Incontrol beat alot of them. All-in is a tactic, a win is a win even if it is a cheesy win
if he was good at bw he wouldn't have done mass ling allin timing attacks every single game, obviously he will eventually benefit from coinflips some time
but you obviously don't know anything about BW if you call draco american rofl, good ole fanboys :p
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
lol you should 1v1 him and see if you can make it past the 5 minute mark, I bet he could use zerg and roll you, so it's kind of funny you're judging the skill of another player when you, I mean who? states he is a mediocre player. I'm sure you've been to many lans/shout cast/beat top players in the world.
Yes, because the test of a truly great player, is to be able to beat random forum poster "X" in a 1v1...
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
draco is polish, and day9 didn't even compete in wcg 09, and incontrol just lurkling all in'd everyone
northern ireland is also far smaller than the US, thanks for trying champ
That doesn't change the fact that US has a shit ton of good players and Incontrol beat alot of them. All-in is a tactic, a win is a win even if it is a cheesy win
if he was good at bw he wouldn't have done mass ling allin timing attacks every single game, obviously he will eventually benefit from coinflips some time
but you obviously don't know anything about BW if you call draco american rofl, good ole fanboys :p
Idra allined MC 3 times, does that make him a horrible player with no skill?
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
draco is polish, and day9 didn't even compete in wcg 09, and incontrol just lurkling all in'd everyone
northern ireland is also far smaller than the US, thanks for trying champ
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
draco is polish, and day9 didn't even compete in wcg 09, and incontrol just lurkling all in'd everyone
northern ireland is also far smaller than the US, thanks for trying champ
That doesn't change the fact that US has a shit ton of good players and Incontrol beat alot of them. All-in is a tactic, a win is a win even if it is a cheesy win
if he was good at bw he wouldn't have done mass ling allin timing attacks every single game, obviously he will eventually benefit from coinflips some time
but you obviously don't know anything about BW if you call draco american rofl, good ole fanboys :p
Idra allined MC 3 times, does that make him a horrible player with no skill?
obviously not because we know idra can play a real game
On June 27 2011 04:16 skrillakid wrote: incontrol should stick to casting/being a community figure because he's a just a mediocre player at best. EG.Mascot?
agreed, he was pretty mediocre in the bw foreign scene as well
yeah a lot of mediocre players won WCG usa
yeah such a competitive country
Yea, its like we didnt have Idra, Nony, or Day9, Draco, etc. Northern Ireland produces way better players, you deserve a quality poster icon.
draco is polish, and day9 didn't even compete in wcg 09, and incontrol just lurkling all in'd everyone
northern ireland is also far smaller than the US, thanks for trying champ
That doesn't change the fact that US has a shit ton of good players and Incontrol beat alot of them. All-in is a tactic, a win is a win even if it is a cheesy win
if he was good at bw he wouldn't have done mass ling allin timing attacks every single game, obviously he will eventually benefit from coinflips some time
but you obviously don't know anything about BW if you call draco american rofl, good ole fanboys :p
Idra allined MC 3 times, does that make him a horrible player with no skill?
obviously not because we know idra can play a real game
everyone knows incontrol was cheesy in BW
So, INcontrol never played a legit game? I highly doubt he cheesed every single game. (I wouldn't know, i never found the amazing game of BW)
of course he did, it's called hyperbole, he was still bad at macro otherwise he would have done that more than just risky 2 base lurkling all ins and random mass ling attacks. This wasn't SC2 where playing safe/macro style isn't extremely rewarding... being cheesy means you play abusive/cheesy a lot more than you should
winning wcg usa doesn't automatically make him not mediocre, comparing him to idra or nony is laughable and a complete insult to them tbh, not like idra was even good in 2007 so incontrol didn't even beat anyone good on the way to the finals
On June 27 2011 08:22 Maliris wrote: of course he did, it's called hyperbole, he was still bad at macro otherwise he would have done that more than just risky 2 base lurkling all ins and random mass ling attacks. This wasn't SC2 where playing safe/macro style isn't extremely rewarding... being cheesy means you play abusive/cheesy a lot more than you should
winning wcg usa doesn't automatically make him not mediocre, comparing him to idra or nony is laughable and a complete insult to them tbh, not like idra was even good in 2007 so incontrol didn't even beat anyone good on the way to the finals
please don't talk if you don't know anything
The wcg usa he won was in 2009 not 2007, please don't talk if you don't know anything.
On June 27 2011 08:30 {ToT}ColmA wrote: so this thread went from news of incontrol leaving nasl to get more playtime and having a shot in the eg house to this...hello??....freakin morons
Agreed...this thread has devolved into a pile of turd.
On June 27 2011 08:22 Maliris wrote: of course he did, it's called hyperbole, he was still bad at macro otherwise he would have done that more than just risky 2 base lurkling all ins and random mass ling attacks. This wasn't SC2 where playing safe/macro style isn't extremely rewarding... being cheesy means you play abusive/cheesy a lot more than you should
winning wcg usa doesn't automatically make him not mediocre, comparing him to idra or nony is laughable and a complete insult to them tbh, not like idra was even good in 2007 so incontrol didn't even beat anyone good on the way to the finals
please don't talk if you don't know anything
The wcg usa he won was in 2009 not 2007, please don't talk if you don't know anything.
too be honest glad you left nasl geoff, was getting worried there for a second and with a 4th place at MLG means you are close to your goal of winning a tournament in sc2.
Im glad you did this incontrol I loved your casting but you always said you wanted to play more and you should do what you want the most. Hope i se you at dreamhack winter 2011!
incontrol is fun to listen to as a caster, but that was a very logical step he took. he needs to not fall behind in training, especially if the sc2 volve evolves further - you dont wanna get stuck on a casting seat than rather be a pro gamer
Its clear to me that you cant sit on one of the richest and best-run teams in the West and spend your life courting controversy without results to back it up.
We dont know (?) if he quit because NASL is a huge failure given what it was supposed to be (Competition for GSL lol..), and he just wants off a sinking ship, or if his team want him to actually play the starcraft he is payed for - but it seems a situation of trying to juggle too many balls and ending up dropping them all.
I really like incontrol and because of that I'm glad that he left NASL. Not because I don't like nasl - the opposite is true - but I want to see him compete at the highest level. And with NASL as a fulltime job and all the other stuff I can only guess he didn't have enough time to practise. Also moving to the EG house can only be good.
so incontrol: keep on going, looking forward for your next tournaments!
I like this move because it's a commitment to one thing. Either make NASL work or make pro playing work. It doesn't make sense to be mediocre at both. It's right decision by EG to force the issue. And considering the disappointing preliminary feedback for NASL so spending more time as a player would appear to be the smarter choice. I might just be moving with the crowd on NASL, but it doesn't appear to have that great of an organization considering its supposed prize pool and hype. I hope to see better from NASL, EG, and inControl. Best of luck to all individuals and organizations.
I'm glad he won't be there Season 2. Not because he was bad or anything, but so he can focus more on playing. I'd like to see Gretorp follow and let some other popular casters get the job.
On June 28 2011 03:02 Skeet11 wrote: I'm glad he won't be there Season 2. Not because he was bad or anything, but so he can focus more on playing. I'd like to see Gretorp follow and let some other popular casters get the job.
I don't think Gretorp is good enough to transfer back without a large amount of risk. He just hasn't had enough results to make a case for him as a leading pro. He just left Fanatic also so really the die has already been cast.
Incontrol on the other hand seems like he is going back to his roots because that is what made him popular and this is the only window where he could stage a legitimate comeback. Sure people can become personalities like Day9 but it is riskier because there is no fallback if you fail as a caster. If Incontrol tries really hard and just can't seem to make anything happen he can ride his caster pedigree to more opportunities.
Basically it just seems like Incontrol is doing the safest thing possible by maintaining his important reputation as a respectable pro. Not only can he go back to casting but he can continue coaching and putting out this content for other SC2 sites(dare I say fall-by-night operations).
On June 27 2011 01:57 iNcontroL wrote: No I don't have any ownership in NASL. I am the commentator for season 1
I relayed what was relayed to me.. the intention/promise for 3 seasons and 400k$
If that doesn't happen (I have no reason to believe it won't) you can blame me if you like... just like you can blame the "can you hear me now?" guy if verizon goes back on one of it's promises. I was told a message and to promote something so I did.
I think it would be silly of any one to blame you "100%" if Seasons 2 or 3 did not happen or players didn't get paid. But, as part of the team you should probably accept a portion of the blame.
thanks for standing up and answering.
1 reason so many teamliquid posters can be so critical is that they are all Blizzard customers. This group of consumers is accustomed to very high quality and impeccable integrity. And even with all that Blizzard delivers they are still hyper-critical of every move Blizzard makes. anyone servicing this group of consumers must be prepared for sky high expectations.
This pretty much puts to a close all the questions I had.
The one thing they should change for season 2 is just cast from replays. This way players can play at reasonable times, which means they can play at their best and not tired, which in turn leads to better games. After watching season 1, I can't think of 1 benefit casting a tape delayed live broadcast had over just casting from replays. If it's not going to be broadcasted live then there's 0 difference from using replays to the viewers.
In fact it would probably help greatly with all the scheduling conflicts and editing problems that happened with games being edited to be shown out of order and then spoilers happening.
All the players can play the day before, then the regular casters can come in the next day and cast 9am-5pm or whatever time they do and cast the replays in the order they want. Then they can still take a day or two to do post editing like before.
Doing a live tape delayed cast seemed to cause more headaches and problems with absolutely zero benefit to viewers over replays.
The idea of NASL is great, it's just season 1 failed in the execution of it. Like NASL had better games due to the quality of players than IPL, but IPL got the better reviews because of their production values.
On June 28 2011 05:50 Canucklehead wrote: The one thing they should change for season 2 is just cast from replays. This way players can play at reasonable times, which means they can play at their best and not tired, which in turn leads to better games. After watching season 1, I can't think of 1 benefit casting a tape delayed live broadcast had over just casting from replays. If it's not going to be broadcasted live then there's 0 difference from using replays to the viewers.
They might even play on the bnet realm they like. :D
As much as i will miss his casting in the NASL, this is for the best imo, he is first and foremost a player, and im glad he has decided to focus on his priority, i cant wait to watch him play as a fully dedicated protoss progamer
He was one of the very few reasons I watched the NASL. I think it's a bad decision on his part to focus on playing more since he's already very far behind the pros, but good luck to him.
On June 28 2011 12:50 Ezze wrote: He was one of the very few reasons I watched the NASL. I think it's a bad decision on his part to focus on playing more since he's already very far behind the pros, but good luck to him.
He's done consistently well in MLGs and finished 4-5 in the nasl with a schedule that didn't allow for a lot of practice time. How the hell is he too far behind the pros lol
On June 28 2011 13:33 sermokala wrote: why not husky? he lives in LA and hes almost got 500k subs on youtube now. perfect hype caster to go with gretorp.
I don't think I'd ever watch the nasl with sound on if they hired Husky ~_~
On June 28 2011 13:33 sermokala wrote: why not husky? he lives in LA and hes almost got 500k subs on youtube now. perfect hype caster to go with gretorp.
I don't think I'd ever watch the nasl with sound on if they hired Husky ~_~
I'm really sad that the only reason I still don't have a ticket is because of the casters. I'd love to see some play-by-play caster like hd, husky, tb, etc with a different pro player each week!
On June 28 2011 12:50 Ezze wrote: He was one of the very few reasons I watched the NASL. I think it's a bad decision on his part to focus on playing more since he's already very far behind the pros, but good luck to him.
He's done consistently well in MLGs and finished 4-5 in the nasl with a schedule that didn't allow for a lot of practice time. How the hell is he too far behind the pros lol
I've just never really seen him do anything impressive that's all. Maybe I just missed his good games
On June 28 2011 12:50 Ezze wrote: He was one of the very few reasons I watched the NASL. I think it's a bad decision on his part to focus on playing more since he's already very far behind the pros, but good luck to him.
He's done consistently well in MLGs and finished 4-5 in the nasl with a schedule that didn't allow for a lot of practice time. How the hell is he too far behind the pros lol
Incontrol is probably very far behind the pros. Hopefully he can practice more now and catch up. Practice time is everything.
On June 28 2011 13:33 sermokala wrote: why not husky? he lives in LA and hes almost got 500k subs on youtube now. perfect hype caster to go with gretorp.
I don't think I'd ever watch the nasl with sound on if they hired Husky ~_~
Yeah, troll as much as you want, but Husky would probably decline since he'd make a lot more money on his Youtube videos.
Damn, I really loved the awkwardness Incontrol and Gretorp brought to the NASL Casts!!! Oh well, good luck to incontrol in full time competing! Gretorp and xeris were fine, moletrap and diggity were pretty good, I'd love to see some day9 + gretorp though.
InControl and the rest of the Americans really need to step it up and represent the U.S. around the world. I remember back in the latest MLG Idra was our only hope but he couldn't quite pull it through. We need a strong group of American players who actually win tournaments versus Koreans. Sure, this has happened before, but there have been no real wins in the last few 'big' tournaments like MLG and DreamHack to which Koreans have come to play at. Good luck to InControl I hope he can set his mind to things and stop being a stupid noob (meant to be encouraging, calm down people).
To people saying "It doesn't take up much of his time", I'm afraid that's just ignorant. djWheat made a post a while ago expressing how free time is so important to casters and players a like...
I'm pretty sure at some points inControl has been casting for 12 hours + some days (correct me if I'm wrong but I remember him saying this at some point) .
Good luck inControl, sir Looking forward to you slamming IdrA's face into a wall. (a bad metaphor for you surpassing him in skill)
On June 28 2011 22:54 Zorkmid wrote: Love Diggity so much, don't think he's got the time for full time though.
Diggity and Moletrap have been my least liked casting duo that I've heard anywhere for months now :/
I'm nowhere near as fussy as most TL netizens seem to be about miscalling battles and the like, because I think it's just something that happens.
But when they're commenting on something Protoss (that I play) too often I'm going "no! no! that's just not true, or completely bollocks!" and indeed that's how it turns out. I'm sure it must happen to Terran/Zerg too :x
NASL casting takes up a lot of time. Matches start at noon, and can last anywhere from 3-6 hours depending on game length. On top of that, there's about 1-2 hours of work for preshow, and about 30mins - 1 hour for post-game. Add in other work that gets done around the studio and they're working full days just doing this.
Working full time drains you and makes it difficult to practice when you finally do get home
Shame that he'll be gone from the NASL, he and Gretorp were becoming a really solid casting pair. Then again I look forward to him upping his game in the EG house. That'll help put NA pros on a higher level.
It's tough to see him go, as we was my favorite NASL caster. But now maybe he'll do better in big tournaments like MLG, and I'll be rooting for him there! GL Geoff!
It's sad that he's leaving but I totally respect and accept his decision, I really want Geoff to do good in upcoming tournaments and if he feels that this is what he has to do i wish him nothing but the best!
And yes everybody loves Geoff's comedic inputs, I mean.. horses?!
On June 28 2011 13:33 sermokala wrote: why not husky? he lives in LA and hes almost got 500k subs on youtube now. perfect hype caster to go with gretorp.
I don't think I'd ever watch the nasl with sound on if they hired Husky ~_~
Yeah, troll as much as you want, but Husky would probably decline since he'd make a lot more money on his Youtube videos.
Sorry to inform you but a troll isn't someone whose opinion differs from yours
I'm really glad that Geoff will no longer be casting honestly. I love all he's done for the NASL and I'm really excited that it'll be around. But his casting style really bothered me.
Geoff...I LOVED your casting style...you and Day9 are my fav 2 casters. (Yes...even compared to tasteosis)
But...I understand your decision and support you 100%!
To any of the haters out there... I've spent hundreds of hours watching Geoff (iNcontroL) streaming, casting, and even several hours being directly coached by him. I've watched him on State of the game, Inside the game, and tons of youtube archives of him.
I can tell you through all of these hundreds of hours that he is: - honest - trustworthy - a great player - truly LOVES SC2 and the community (so if you're reading this...this includes YOU) - has a driving competitive spirit - a great sense of humor - professional - dozens of other great qualities
Through hundreds of hours of personal experience, I have found Geoff to have tons of love for our SC2 community...and this will always prevail over everything else. ("All we need is Love" - The Beatles)
Geoff, thank you for ALL you have done, all you are doing, and all you continue to do for SC! Keep up the great work...and...
Not taking anything away from Incontrol, I consider his decision to be pretty weird. He certainly made more money from casting / coaching stuff than placing high in tournaments (I don't recall any of his success excluding pretty lucky MLG 4 place). Pretty ballsy decision from him, I respect that he decided to take gaming seriously. Not sure if it'll pay off, but still I wish him the best of luck.
Geoff is professional starcraft player, and while he is a caster, he is a member of EG. and they expect him to be the best he can as a player. while he is doing so much casting he isn't able to get in enough training and that is hurting his professional appeal.
Hes leaving so he can be more of an asset to his team and to himself.
I think iNcontrols casting will be missed, he is funny, intelligent and knows what he is talking about. Not many casters like him. Its debateable to see what it is better to become, a well-known caster or a come and go player... but hey i suppose we can't miss judge.
Excited for Geoff's future! I think with some practice at the upcoming EG house there's a chance Geoff could be an ace for EG right up there with IdrA, there have been times where Artosis called him best foreign PvZ, here's so seeing some more of that! :D
Your casting shenanigans will be sorely missed Geoff, GL in your future tournaments. Beware of moving to phoenix though, its like the surface of the sun here currently. I've heard that's not good for protoss temples.
On June 30 2011 01:50 Brainiac wrote: Not taking anything away from Incontrol, I consider his decision to be pretty weird. He certainly made more money from casting / coaching stuff than placing high in tournaments (I don't recall any of his success excluding pretty lucky MLG 4 place). Pretty ballsy decision from him, I respect that he decided to take gaming seriously. Not sure if it'll pay off, but still I wish him the best of luck.
Any science student could make triple their money if they majored in finance instead. But they don't because they have a passion for science. Same situation here, except Incontrol also believes he can make just as much money as a competitor, which very well may end up being true.. Incontrol wants to be a competitor, not a caster.
On June 28 2011 21:46 Stevensl2 wrote: WHY INCONTROL
Whose going to replace him? I didn't realize casting took up so much of his time, I mean... Go - Cast - Go home and continue practicing right?
Casting consumes about 7-8 hours a day minimum of Geoff's time, 5-6 days a week. Many days it ended up being more like 12 hours when prep-time, re-shooting certain segments, recording promotional segments, etc, is included. It is exactly the same as trying to have a full-time job and trying to be a pro-gamer at the same time -- it's very difficult.
This seems really odd to me, leaving NASL to "focus" more on being a player. I was listening to him on Inside the Game (is that what it's called?), but the head of eG was saying that he left SotG for the same reason.
And the guy specifically mentioned NASL as one of iNcontrol's other commitments that prevents him from being able to keep up with his commitments to his team. So this whole thing is sort of weird, and unfortunate for fans of the NASL I think.
But best of luck to iNcontrol, both with this and the whole SotG situation, which he sounded pretty upset about last night.
On June 30 2011 06:38 blacksheepwall wrote: This seems really odd to me, leaving NASL to "focus" more on being a player. I was listening to him on Inside the Game (is that what it's called?), but the head of eG was saying that he left SotG for the same reason.
And the guy specifically mentioned NASL as one of iNcontrol's other commitments that prevents him from being able to keep up with his commitments to his team. So this whole thing is sort of weird, and unfortunate for fans of the NASL I think.
But best of luck to iNcontrol, both with this and the whole SotG situation, which he sounded pretty upset about last night.
What is "weird" about it. Geoff wants to be a pro player, and a top top player at that. Currently he cannot do that because he is doing other shit 50+ hours week (with NASL being a huge time sink) so he reduced some of those things. Makes sense to me.
On June 30 2011 06:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote: What is "weird" about it.
I just meant that it seems sort of hypocritical to use his commitment to NASL as a main reason why he can't continue to SotG, but then for him to immediately leave NASL.
And again, I wish no ill will towards iNcontrol or eG, I'm sure they'll both be just fine.
iNcontroL fighting! While I'm a little disappointed he's leaving NASL, I'm really glad he's putting a lot of focus on refining his play so he can get that monkey off his back.
I hope iNcontrol returns to "State of the Game" now! Also, While I love the sound of Gretorp's voice, I'd like to see him replaced by Day9. That would be about the only way I'd pay for a NASL HD pass.
On June 30 2011 02:50 tyles wrote: I think iNcontrols casting will be missed, he is funny, intelligent and knows what he is talking about. Not many casters like him. Its debateable to see what it is better to become, a well-known caster or a come and go player... but hey i suppose we can't miss judge.
I would agree with this post 100% before he started casting in the NASL. After that + the restreaming GSL/thrash talking kelly "scandals" i think he was being way to "careful" in his casts. Which made him just awkward instead of funny in my opinion. So i guess what im trying to say is that, for me atleast, this is a good thing. Bring back the old Incontroll plx!
On June 24 2011 10:56 iNcontroL wrote: there absolutely will be a season 2!!
I even spoke about how gretorp will continue casting alongside other casters and I will make guest appearances.
We are also running a qualifier atm for season 2... please fix OP
Good to hear. Good luck competing iNcontroL, I imagine it was difficult trying to compete with all of the extra stuff you were doing (commentating a TON of games with NASL, AND the other stuff that you used to do like inside the game and SotG). All told, you probably have like 20 hours or more of extra time each week now.
That is awesome! Geoff was a good caster, but I am glad he made to decision to go back and practice. He did well the very first SC2 MLG event, but I think the casting took up a lot of his time.
He should go back to full time pro, it must be hard to juggle all the casting and practice and playing. Personally would love to see day9 replace it or atleast someone with the same passion of casting as iNcontrol or day9. gretop can be alittle dead pan some times.
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iNcontroL' Robinson leaves the us-american topleague NASL. One of the most important persons behind the project, who promoted it in february, will not be part of the team after NASL Season 1.
(( Favorite NASL caster, BUT the question is......
Guess commentating and staying on top of your game are really hard to get them to work together.
