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On June 18 2011 02:27 Devolved wrote:
A lot of sympathy and understanding for him, but I'm not sure if I understand. I'm sure it was scary to be lost in foreign lands as a teenager, but as a grown man it just seems irrational. As an adult, people must overcome their irrational fears in order to function in society. You can't just close yourself up and expect things to work out because they won't. And now he's missing the biggest tourney in Europe because he's afraid of something that doesn't actually exist.
Seriously I can't believe some people... Mental issues aren't easy to deal with and it doesn't matter if your a teen or an adult. Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
The same goes for people saying that preparations would have helped that much. To know it is coming and to actually make it trough are two different things... If mental issues were that easy to overcome, we wouldn't need psychologists anymore. You can prepare all you want, just one unaccounted occurrence and all your planning in advance means jack shit.
Props to Demu for openly talking about it and I hope he gets better soon. Much <3 to him!
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On June 18 2011 02:38 shizna wrote:
what is a panic attack?
Ever heard of wikipedia?
Really unfortunate news, hope all the future travels aregoing to be better prepared 
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To be honest I'm more excited for Homestory Cup anyway, and will be glad to see you there.
Demuslim fighting!
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That's too bad, I'm happy he has ways around his anxiety by travelling with people he trusts. Good luck in future tournament Demuslim.
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I'd pick him up anytime 
Sorry to hear that, man, hope someone will be able help you next time!
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This is pretty sad. I wonder if he would be alright if some fans (strangers) were to meet him at the airport. I'm sure at least a couple would be willing to travel and help out their favourite player.
Too late now, I know. I think the SC2 community is tight enough to help out someone like Demuslim should this happen in the future though.
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Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
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On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
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On June 18 2011 03:01 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
This is like arachnophobia (for me at least). I know it's a little spider. I know it can't harm me and I can easily kill it. But I couldn't ever touch it. I'm sure he knows too that he could take a taxi or ask someone, but that's one thing, when he's actually there he can't do shit about it.
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On June 18 2011 03:01 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.
Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.
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On June 18 2011 03:01 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Spoken like someone who never had any idea of what a phobia is. Christ man, if you could simply think "Well, it can't hurt me it's cool" there wouldn't be any claustrophobic people, no one would be afraid of tiny spiders and Demuslim sure as hell wouldn't miss Dreamhack.
Unfortunately it's not that simple.
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sad news, hope to see you at more events, big fan from wc3 ^_^
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That's not nice, would've loved to see Demuslim battling it out. On the bright side it's not something as bad as what prevented him from going to Assembly (iirc) though.
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On June 18 2011 02:56 SichuanPanda wrote:
Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
The thing about mental disorders (if you can call this a mental disorder, it sounds a bit too harsh and serious but I can't come up with a more proper word at the moment) is that they're not rational, which means they can't be handled easily with simply being rational and not understood by trying to think rationally. I'm sure that if you asked anyone with severe travelling anxiety in the comfort of their home what they should do if they get lost in a foreign city they would be able to say exactly what they should do. But when they're in that situation rationality goes out the window and panic steps in.
It's a shame Demuslim wont be there, but I'm sure he will perform well in the homestory cup. I hope he'll do really well after all this bad luck he's had. And I hope he can overcome his travelling anxiety, it must be horrible to deal with as a progamer. Best of luck Demuslim!
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On June 18 2011 02:56 SichuanPanda wrote:
Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
This is a senseless and coarse response. Just because you do not experience them does not mean they aren't debilitating. I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and travel is one of the key situations they arise in. It doesn't stop me from traveling but it is always, always a concern and can often be horrifying and incapacitating.
So many stupid responses in this and the other thread: "Just do it, mate!" "LOL just get on the plane" "I can't understand this, he just needs someone to pick him up right?" "This is silly." etc, etc. Have some compassion for someone we all respect. Panic, anxiety, any mental issue calls for understanding and support, not mockery and/or idiocy.
Good luck Ben. You'll be back soon, I have no doubt.
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On June 18 2011 02:56 SichuanPanda wrote:
Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
Its difficult, as with all mental illnesses. You can't rationalise some completely irrational and unwanted thought process. Hopefully Demu will look at going through some Cognitive behavioural therapy to help him, or he'll live with it and just have to do everything massively in advance.
Really sad to see my favourite (UK FIGHTING) not be able to go, but I know he's going to smah up Homestory cup and give a good showing in the FXO invitational.
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I am extremely disappointed nobody from Team EG could not assist Demuslim in this matter over the next week. I mean if you are not going out of your way in every way possible to assure that your players are competing in every tournament that they choose to participate in then you are a foolish pro gaming team. I mean come on!
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I fully understand the kind of problems that panic attacks can bring so I can totally sympathize with Demuslim for this. I'm really impressed he admitted it too, that takes a lot of guts. Best of luck to him in the future!
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Some post's here make me angry! I hate it when people comment on something they know nothing about. I suffered from a General anxiety disorder for quite some time so I have a good insight on what its like. And no matter what form you have it, its just a horrible thing to have to deal with. It's not a fear like arachnophobia. I suffer from arachnophobia as well, picking up a tarantula would be like a walk in the park compared to a full blown panic attack.
The thing about anxiety disorders is you don't fear something bad is going to happen, you believe something bad will happen. You can't just say "Don't get worked up over something" or "Just get over it", it doesn't work that way. A lot of the times people have anxiety attacks without even knowing what its about. Now if demuslim has it in the same way usual sufferers have attacks, here is how things would go down for someone in that situation. Let's say he gets on the plane, everything is fine so far, then somehow something triggers a subconscious "Fight or Flight" reaction. Within seconds his heart is pumping like he has just run a marathon, he will be struggling to catch his breath, and he will be sweating like he's in a sauna. And every second of this something in his head will be screaming "Something bad is going to happen". Yes there are techniques to calm you down in this state, but sometimes they don't work and when your a mile in the air or in the middle of a foreign country this can have disastrous consequences.
Sorry for the rant but I hate it when people try to comment or give advice on something they know nothing about!
And once again, GL to Ben and I hope it doesn't mess up any of his future events.
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