Dreamhack Cancellation. by DeMusliM on Thursday, June 16, 2011 at 6:43am
Was waiting for some news to be published before i wrote anything about dreamhack first. I won't be going to dreamhack, Luckily it's not a long-term problem i.e my arm/hand so don't worry too much. I suffer from panic attacks while travelling, and all my travel regime was messed up - When i was younger i got lost in Paris and Singapore when i was 15-16 on my own, and ever since i've suffered pretty badly. Flight plans were organised pretty late, and nobody was available for my return/outward flights to help pick me up. I know it was alot to ask, but it's something i can't really help. I'm sorry to DH, sorry for my team, and especially to everyone who wanted to support me, i've been training hard and recently had a minor breakthrough in the FXOpen EU quallifier where i performed pretty well, and felt my oldself returning. Luckily just around the corner is another tournament being Homestory cup 3 which is all sorted out already, i'll be heading over there with Tod and Rotterdam so it's all fine. Again apologies - hopefully this won't happen again, i'm more disappointed than anyone else, i can assure you that. ;( - Will carry on trying to get my old self back, and hopefully get better than i was before, training excessive hours and want to do as best i can. Thanks everyone.
Many people don't like travelling. I'm sure people will come in and say "lol just do it" as if he has any control over his own travel anxieties. Maybe a doctor can help, there has to be some beta blockers or something that would ease the problems. But I respect the guy for letting us know even if there's some people who probably have never traveled alone who won't understand.
Isn't there anyone who lives in Jönköping who would like to help him? If I lived in Jönköping and were free and got paid for my travel expenses, I'd have no trouble picking him up/leaving him at the airport when he needed to : )
On June 18 2011 01:04 floor exercise wrote: Many people don't like travelling. I'm sure people will come in and say "lol just do it" as if he has any control over his own travel anxieties. Maybe a doctor can help, there has to be some beta blockers or something that would ease the problems. But I respect the guy for letting us know even if there's some people who probably have never traveled alone who won't understand.
I would assume thats why he needs somebody to pick him up at the airport? Because he's all jacked up when he gets off the plane?
On June 18 2011 01:04 floor exercise wrote: Many people don't like travelling. I'm sure people will come in and say "lol just do it" as if he has any control over his own travel anxieties. Maybe a doctor can help, there has to be some beta blockers or something that would ease the problems. But I respect the guy for letting us know even if there's some people who probably have never traveled alone who won't understand.
I would assume thats why he needs somebody to pick him up at the airport? Because he's all jacked up when he gets off the plane?
I think it's more so that even when he would go the airport to depart, he will just refuse to step inside because of his fear and thus never get on the plane in the first place. Fear is different for everyone but I assume it will be something like that in this case.
Anyway I don't have it problem with it. I have some fears myself so I can sort of understand. Cool to you are open about it, and happy to hear you're improving.
I'm sad for him, but frankly i can understand that problem. Basically what he means is that he really cannot travel alone, he needs someone to go with him who he is familiar with, who can help him through any panic attacks he might suffer.
A friend of mine has a similar problem, he can only go on a plane if someone from his immediate family or a really old friend (as in years of friendship) comes along.
At least he knows his specific trigger for attacks. I know someone who has panic attacks randomly. I'm sure she'd give anything to know the cause so she could avoid it.
How come i never heard of this problem before even though demu attended so many events before ( for example wc3 events )... somehow this remind me of poor satiini
On June 18 2011 01:20 Omnipresent wrote: At least he knows his specific trigger for attacks. I know someone who has panic attacks randomly. I'm sure she'd give anything to know the cause so she could avoid it.
Lets hope he can arrange plans for future events.
Aye, i'm almost envious. Ever since a couple of years ago i'd just randomly get them. I suspect poor health / fitness contributes to it for me. But i guess knowing that traveling is what does it, then at least you can in a sense prepare. Of course that means traveling becomes difficult, there's a barrier there. But its somewhat more preferable than continuously living knowing at any moment something might work you into a funk and its all downhill from there. Maybe maybe not. I dunno.
I sympathize for Ben, but there is a possible way round this (Maybe not on such short notice but at least in the future). If he went to the Doctor he could be prescribed meds to calm him down. Something to simply calm him while getting to the airport, then something stronger to knock him out on the plane.
I suffer from travel anxiety when it comes to flights, so I know how big the problem can be (especially when is job is to travel round the world to tournaments!) but I also know there are ways around it. Hope things go better for him in the future. Favorite SC2 player by far!
My wife's family has trouble with panic disorder. It is really horrible. You feel like you are having a heart attack and will faint if you don't calm down. I can't imagine it being worth going if one were going to have those start acting up around games. Good luck dealing with this Demuslim. I know it's a long difficult battle.
Aww, too bad. Can't really blame him, suffering that kinda stuff while being so young could affect anyone. And even still people are different, thumbs up for being honest about it.
Damn, sucks, i understand him, its same with me i also got lost when i was young and it was terrible... nowadays i don't get panic attack but i do get really nervous <_<
Wow im bummed out.. I really hope demuslim starts streaming his games though, would entertain me to no end seeing someone from the UK duking it out on ladder.
On June 18 2011 02:09 calin wrote: Hasn't he heard of Valium? Doctors practically hand you that stuff the moment you say "I'm afraid of flying/travelling"..
Would be fun to see him chill around..forgetting his barracks...flying drops to nowhere....calling down mules at random places. LOL
A lot of sympathy and understanding for him, but I'm not sure if I understand. I'm sure it was scary to be lost in foreign lands as a teenager, but as a grown man it just seems irrational. As an adult, people must overcome their irrational fears in order to function in society. You can't just close yourself up and expect things to work out because they won't. And now he's missing the biggest tourney in Europe because he's afraid of something that doesn't actually exist.
On June 18 2011 02:27 Devolved wrote: A lot of sympathy and understanding for him, but I'm not sure if I understand. I'm sure it was scary to be lost in foreign lands as a teenager, but as a grown man it just seems irrational. As an adult, people must overcome their irrational fears in order to function in society. You can't just close yourself up and expect things to work out because they won't. And now he's missing the biggest tourney in Europe because he's afraid of something that doesn't actually exist.
Seriously I can't believe some people... Mental issues aren't easy to deal with and it doesn't matter if your a teen or an adult. Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
The same goes for people saying that preparations would have helped that much. To know it is coming and to actually make it trough are two different things... If mental issues were that easy to overcome, we wouldn't need psychologists anymore. You can prepare all you want, just one unaccounted occurrence and all your planning in advance means jack shit.
Props to Demu for openly talking about it and I hope he gets better soon. Much <3 to him!
This is pretty sad. I wonder if he would be alright if some fans (strangers) were to meet him at the airport. I'm sure at least a couple would be willing to travel and help out their favourite player.
Too late now, I know. I think the SC2 community is tight enough to help out someone like Demuslim should this happen in the future though.
Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
This is like arachnophobia (for me at least). I know it's a little spider. I know it can't harm me and I can easily kill it. But I couldn't ever touch it. I'm sure he knows too that he could take a taxi or ask someone, but that's one thing, when he's actually there he can't do shit about it.
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.
Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Spoken like someone who never had any idea of what a phobia is. Christ man, if you could simply think "Well, it can't hurt me it's cool" there wouldn't be any claustrophobic people, no one would be afraid of tiny spiders and Demuslim sure as hell wouldn't miss Dreamhack.
That's not nice, would've loved to see Demuslim battling it out. On the bright side it's not something as bad as what prevented him from going to Assembly (iirc) though.
On June 18 2011 02:56 SichuanPanda wrote: Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
The thing about mental disorders (if you can call this a mental disorder, it sounds a bit too harsh and serious but I can't come up with a more proper word at the moment) is that they're not rational, which means they can't be handled easily with simply being rational and not understood by trying to think rationally. I'm sure that if you asked anyone with severe travelling anxiety in the comfort of their home what they should do if they get lost in a foreign city they would be able to say exactly what they should do. But when they're in that situation rationality goes out the window and panic steps in.
It's a shame Demuslim wont be there, but I'm sure he will perform well in the homestory cup. I hope he'll do really well after all this bad luck he's had. And I hope he can overcome his travelling anxiety, it must be horrible to deal with as a progamer. Best of luck Demuslim!
On June 18 2011 02:56 SichuanPanda wrote: Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
This is a senseless and coarse response. Just because you do not experience them does not mean they aren't debilitating. I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and travel is one of the key situations they arise in. It doesn't stop me from traveling but it is always, always a concern and can often be horrifying and incapacitating.
So many stupid responses in this and the other thread: "Just do it, mate!" "LOL just get on the plane" "I can't understand this, he just needs someone to pick him up right?" "This is silly." etc, etc. Have some compassion for someone we all respect. Panic, anxiety, any mental issue calls for understanding and support, not mockery and/or idiocy.
Good luck Ben. You'll be back soon, I have no doubt.
On June 18 2011 02:56 SichuanPanda wrote: Panic attacks and freaking out while travelling - something I completely and totally will never understand. I've never once come remotely close to a panic attack ever in my life, and so I guess I will never be able to properly understand the point of view of someone who does have them. For me its just silly to get all worked up and panicked over anything because all that it accomplishes is allowing unfortunate or unplanned events to take place. I got lost in Florida before, I went to the Canadian embassy, was back at my hotel with in an hour (now I understand being in a completely foreign country with a different language is harder but my point is keeping your cool is the only way to get out of situations like that)
I hope DeMuslim can work through his anxiety issues and come back to full form soon.
Its difficult, as with all mental illnesses. You can't rationalise some completely irrational and unwanted thought process. Hopefully Demu will look at going through some Cognitive behavioural therapy to help him, or he'll live with it and just have to do everything massively in advance.
Really sad to see my favourite (UK FIGHTING) not be able to go, but I know he's going to smah up Homestory cup and give a good showing in the FXO invitational.
I am extremely disappointed nobody from Team EG could not assist Demuslim in this matter over the next week. I mean if you are not going out of your way in every way possible to assure that your players are competing in every tournament that they choose to participate in then you are a foolish pro gaming team. I mean come on!
I fully understand the kind of problems that panic attacks can bring so I can totally sympathize with Demuslim for this. I'm really impressed he admitted it too, that takes a lot of guts. Best of luck to him in the future!
Some post's here make me angry! I hate it when people comment on something they know nothing about. I suffered from a General anxiety disorder for quite some time so I have a good insight on what its like. And no matter what form you have it, its just a horrible thing to have to deal with. It's not a fear like arachnophobia. I suffer from arachnophobia as well, picking up a tarantula would be like a walk in the park compared to a full blown panic attack.
The thing about anxiety disorders is you don't fear something bad is going to happen, you believe something bad will happen. You can't just say "Don't get worked up over something" or "Just get over it", it doesn't work that way. A lot of the times people have anxiety attacks without even knowing what its about. Now if demuslim has it in the same way usual sufferers have attacks, here is how things would go down for someone in that situation. Let's say he gets on the plane, everything is fine so far, then somehow something triggers a subconscious "Fight or Flight" reaction. Within seconds his heart is pumping like he has just run a marathon, he will be struggling to catch his breath, and he will be sweating like he's in a sauna. And every second of this something in his head will be screaming "Something bad is going to happen". Yes there are techniques to calm you down in this state, but sometimes they don't work and when your a mile in the air or in the middle of a foreign country this can have disastrous consequences.
Sorry for the rant but I hate it when people try to comment or give advice on something they know nothing about!
And once again, GL to Ben and I hope it doesn't mess up any of his future events.
Respect for the open words. Society/Sports/E-sports needs more people like DeMuslim saying the truth and talking about their fears eventhough its unpopular. Mainly because of some intolerant, not understandable comments we se above. In society, even in E-sports ppl should never forget that, in the end, we are all humans with different characters and fears.
i'm sure he will work on that issue and overcome it sooner or later.
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.
Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.
Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.
Just google CBT and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.
Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.
Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.
Just google CRB and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.
Yeah, but a psychologist doesn't just tell you "what? You shouldn't fear spiders. I don't fear spiders, you shouldn't. Get on with it," and then show his patient the door. That's his idea of a psychologist. It takes lots of hard work to get over severe psychological fears or phobias, just thinking that my behavior is irrational isn't going to quell any fear.
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.
Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.
Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.
Just google CBT and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.
Unfortunately CBT is not as simple as identifying the problem and its gone. Fear is a primal instinct and a defense mechanism that serves a very useful function in the right circumstance. It keeps us safe from the various dangers in life. So it's not easy to just overcome that fundamental part of our humanity. You need to take small steps and remove your fears and anxieties one step at a time. Travel anxiety is so hard to deal with (especially flying) cause there really are no small steps. I guess britain to sweden is about as small as it gets going abroad.
I can really sympathize with Demuslim though as I've experienced panic attacks of a similar sort. It's one of the most chocking and uncomfortable things you could imagine. Because you know what it is but you still can't stop it until you learn to calm down in a very specific manner (atleast that's how it worked for me). I can imagine how frightening it must be to be lost in a country where most people can't speak english. As demuslim was a war3 pro at younger ages I'm guessing this may have happened when he attended such events?
Anyways I wish Ben could feel safe in sweden. There are so many people that speaks english well and we like to help people most of the time . I wish I could somehow help but unfortunately I'm nowhere near DH and do not have the economical means to get over there.
It's sad that stuff like this prevents you from attending everything you want and can. Hope it wont turn out to be a problem for any future events and wish him and EG the best of luck in the future! Demuslim is one of my favorite terrans in Europe.
Now go prac hard for home story cup 3 and win it! :D
DeMusliM needs to see his doctor, panic attacks are no laughing matter and they're clearly affecting his work (and probably personal) life. This can be solved in the short-term with many types of readily available medicines and in the long-term with cognitive behavioral therapy.
Get some clonazepam, get on that plane and go pwn some noobs!
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.
Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.
Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.
Just google CBT and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.
Your missing something out... CBT actually says that emotions and thoughts are linked, so yes a thought can trigger an emotion, but it can also work the other way round.
On June 18 2011 02:27 Devolved wrote: A lot of sympathy and understanding for him, but I'm not sure if I understand. I'm sure it was scary to be lost in foreign lands as a teenager, but as a grown man it just seems irrational. As an adult, people must overcome their irrational fears in order to function in society. You can't just close yourself up and expect things to work out because they won't. And now he's missing the biggest tourney in Europe because he's afraid of something that doesn't actually exist.
it doesnt have to be rational, you can completely understand there is nothing to be worried about and still experience the physical symptoms of a panic attack. its uncontrollable and its very debilitating, often you feel like you cant breathe like someones sitting on your chest and very nauseous. its something thats very hard to deal with.
And this is why we shouldn't pressure pro players to explain themselves over every situation like this. He wasn't comfortable going about Sweden by himself without plans completely set and I don't think that is somethign he HAD to explain publicly. It is too bad we won't see him in DH but good to see that we will see him competing all over again.
Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
You better bring a source if you want to say something like that
Man I had a panic attack the first and second times I sparred in muay thai and it was pretty much the worst thing ever, my chest felt extremely tight, my legs were shaking, I was lightheaded from hyperventilating and I broke down in tears right in the middle of the class. Shame on anyone saying DeMuslim should just get over it or implying he is mentally weak for being a victim of panic attacks. I am sure that he is mature enough to rationalize he is safe while traveling (just like I rationalize that I was safe while sparring), but reason and logic arent enough to prevent a panic attack. How about some sympathy for the poor guy, his condition has caused him to miss a major tournament.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
You better bring a source if you want to say something like that
Since you are Swedish you could always read this "I trygghetsnarkomanernas land : Sverige och det nationella paniksyndromet" av David Eberhard.
On June 18 2011 06:29 Chill wrote: Can you people posting that you don't understand panic attacks stop posting? This thread has nothing to do with you.
I wouldn't enter the NHL Finals thread to post "wow I don't get hockey".
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
Or they just get recognized/diagnosed/documented more than than in the 70s or before?
Aw real shame to see UK's finest out of this quality tournament, nothing more to it though, he's not a 'pussy' or anything similar. It sounds like it's a one-off based on him not having somebody to help him off the plane and get acclimatized to his environment
I had a horrific panic attack this year before I had an exam to sit, not fun at all and I'm an arch-rationalist, you just cannot get round it by 'thinking positive'
Demuslim not being able to attend Dreamhack is dissapointing to me. It seems like a lot people consider him very skilled, but because of breaking his arm and exiting early from MLG I haven't been able to see him in action.
Sad news, but honestly, he really should just do it. As someone who's dealt with severe panic attacks and anxiety for a large part of their life, I can tell you that the best way to beat it is to confront it and realize that it isn't so bad, and that nothing bad is actually happening. Every time you let it get the better of you, you're just reinforcing those negative feelings.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
thats like the same as saying that people are raping more in modern society than in older society for some particular reason. the numbers havent changed, people are becoming more aware of the problems and how we can help. it wasnt too long ago when homosexuality was thought of as a mental disorder and you were put in prison for it.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
That's because back when when science and medicine wasn't as good, and people didn't understand these issues very well, the people with panic attacks, suicidal tendencies and eating disorders were probably just told to "deal with it" and blown off rather than receiving actual treatment, and therefore it wasn't recorded.
On June 18 2011 07:24 DDAngelo wrote: Man I had a panic attack the first and second times I sparred in muay thai and it was pretty much the worst thing ever, my chest felt extremely tight, my legs were shaking, I was lightheaded from hyperventilating and I broke down in tears right in the middle of the class. Shame on anyone saying DeMuslim should just get over it or implying he is mentally weak for being a victim of panic attacks. I am sure that he is mature enough to rationalize he is safe while traveling (just like I rationalize that I was safe while sparring), but reason and logic arent enough to prevent a panic attack. How about some sympathy for the poor guy, his condition has caused him to miss a major tournament.
Look I'm disappointed as a fan. But really, this is an elite sport, and mental incapacity is not an excuse. It just means he will never be a top player, no matter his crazy talent, just like physical incapacity prevents some heroic men and women from winning olympic gold. There's no shame in stating this truth - it doesn't reflect badly on DeMu as a person.
But yes, the simple fact is he needs to 'suck it up' and 'get over it', or he just won't ever be where he could/might be as a player. If the condition is severe enough that this is simply not an option, I am sad, but that's the way it is.
It's the same as IdrA, whose mental issues are damaging his career too. He threw away what I personally believe would have been 2nd place at MLG due to a negative mental state. Like DeMu, he will either get over it or he will retire having never achieved his potential.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
You are simply dead wrong. This is a really bad post. The first paragraph is laughable, especially the seemingly arbitrary "1970s" thrown out.
Did you see Chill's request that people specifically don't come into this thread and say "I don't get it"? Look at your last sentence. The fact that you "don't get it" does not change the fact that it's a reality for millions of people.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
one reason it might seem like there are more cases of such ailments is due to the fact that these cases are simply reported at a greater frequency and documented than during the past.
On June 18 2011 01:08 VPCursed wrote: I had a panic attack in NYC so i can relate.. its not fun.
can you tell us why you had a panic attack? were you lost and thought that you would never find your way back home?
I feel bad for demuslim and I hope he can play next time.
Concerning people with demuslim's phobia; wouldn't this phobia be remedied by taking friends along the way so that he is not alone?
I think just the idea of not having someone there to meet him is what triggers the anxiety/panic. That feeling of being stuck at the airport alone like he was as a kid. Friends going along might help but probably just not possible for any number of reasons.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
one reason it might seem like there are more cases of such ailments is due to the fact that these cases are simply reported at a greater frequency and documented than during the past.
Exactly. It's a matter of awareness and documentation.
On June 18 2011 06:49 Widz wrote: Why is it that people getting more and more mental illnesses the safer and more caring the society gets? It s more people then ever that get panic attacks. Before the 1970s there almost didn't exist any eating disorders or people who hurt them self (like cutting themselves on the arms).
It s like the safer it gets to travel or just going out on the town the more people are afraid of it. I don´t get it.
Comments like this crack me up. Depression and anxiety existed in the 70s. I have 3 grandparents who dealt with clinical depression. Its just society was less open about it so they dealt with it differently (two were alcoholics, one tried to commit suicide.)
Also, as someone with a fairly mild anxiety disorder, I would invite you to not talk about what you clearly do not understand.
Edit: But more to the point, best wishes to Demuslim. Here's hoping you can make it out to your next event.
Am I the only one that thinks this was absolutely adorable? It's not everyday that a pro-gamer shows their vulnerable side to the public like this. If EG weren't my favorite team before, it certainly is now.
Not only do I feel bad for DeMuslim because I know he loves this game but DH and the viewers lose out on some great games too. Hope to see you doing well soon in the FXO open!
On June 18 2011 07:24 DDAngelo wrote: Man I had a panic attack the first and second times I sparred in muay thai and it was pretty much the worst thing ever, my chest felt extremely tight, my legs were shaking, I was lightheaded from hyperventilating and I broke down in tears right in the middle of the class. Shame on anyone saying DeMuslim should just get over it or implying he is mentally weak for being a victim of panic attacks. I am sure that he is mature enough to rationalize he is safe while traveling (just like I rationalize that I was safe while sparring), but reason and logic arent enough to prevent a panic attack. How about some sympathy for the poor guy, his condition has caused him to miss a major tournament.
Look I'm disappointed as a fan. But really, this is an elite sport, and mental incapacity is not an excuse. It just means he will never be a top player, no matter his crazy talent, just like physical incapacity prevents some heroic men and women from winning olympic gold. There's no shame in stating this truth - it doesn't reflect badly on DeMu as a person.
But yes, the simple fact is he needs to 'suck it up' and 'get over it', or he just won't ever be where he could/might be as a player. If the condition is severe enough that this is simply not an option, I am sad, but that's the way it is.
It's the same as IdrA, whose mental issues are damaging his career too. He threw away what I personally believe would have been 2nd place at MLG due to a negative mental state. Like DeMu, he will either get over it or he will retire having never achieved his potential.
Panic attack are a lot like migraines. You don't really understand them until you know someone who struggles with them (or experience them yourself). It seems like something you can just power through, but it isn't.
"Suck it up" isn't really a reasonable idea. He'll either have to find ways to travel that he's comfortable with (traveling with friends, etc.) or get some kind of treatment (cognitive behavioral therapy or drugs). It's a really tough situation.
Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.
Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
This might be the most ignorant post I've ever read on TL. Trying to solve an emotional issue with logic and mistaking psychology for psychiatry. Amazing. Next up, a speaking tour of Africa where you tell starving rape victims to "cheer up because being sad won't help you".
My god there are a lot of ignorant people in this thread. If you've never had a real panic attack, please don't post about how to deal with it. According to wikipedia a lot of people who have their first panic attack think they are having a heart attack and/or go to the emergency room. It is not a "mental state," it's a feeling of absolute horrible panic. Imagine watching your family get raped in front of you. Imagine getting a phonecall that your wife was killed by a drunk driver and your little girl is in the intensive care unit and may or may not make it: you get in a car and start driving to the hospital, but it's a 30 minute drive. Imagine the emotions running through you - that's a panic attack. You don't "suck it up," you don't try to out-think emotions, you just have to deal with it and find a way to avoid it. You don't understand what it feels like until it happens, though.
Anxiety in general is fucking horrible. I had it really bad in high school along with migraines and ended up having to quit. I wasn't even bullied or anything, I actually had a lot of friends. It just randomly happened one day and kept getting worse every day after. I got over it now because I was forced to (my dad made me learn to deal with it lol), but I know how shitty it is. Hopefully he just slowly learns to deal with it and doesn't resort to taking meds because they fuck your brain up and when he eventually stops taking them the anxiety will still be there. Spending all you time at your computer doesn't help either.
On June 18 2011 15:57 cz wrote: My god there are a lot of ignorant people in this thread. If you've never had a real panic attack, please don't post about how to deal with it. According to wikipedia a lot of people who have their first panic attack think they are having a heart attack and/or go to the emergency room. It is not a "mental state," it's a feeling of absolute horrible panic. Imagine watching your family get raped in front of you. Imagine getting a phonecall that your wife was killed by a drunk driver and your little girl is in the intensive care unit and may or may not make it: you get in a car and start driving to the hospital, but it's a 30 minute drive. Imagine the emotions running through you - that's a panic attack. You don't "suck it up," you don't try to out-think emotions, you just have to deal with it and find a way to avoid it. You don't understand what it feels like until it happens, though.
The line about it feeling like a heart attack is completely true, when I had my first panic attack, I immediately thought I was having a heart attack, and the anxiety was exasperated by being home alone at 5 am when it happened. I had to go to the ER for 3 hours while they ran every test imaginable to make sure I was ok.
Demuslim, I know how shitty it is, it sucks you can't go to dreamhack, but good luck with everything else. Plus, you're hot as hell, it's impossible not to be a fan.
What the fuck is wrong with that guy; the chances of dying on an airplane are extremely slim and there are many things more dangerous that we do in our everyday lives. What a pusswad.
what a shame ... I was looking forward to seeing him play after how he played in Columbus.
I would have said why can't his teammates, idra and machine, meet him at the airport but that is honestly a burden that doesn't need to be placed on either of them.
Hopefully he can get over his fear and won't have panic attacks in the future.
<3 Demu. I know exactly what that's like. Not relating to planes, but I've definitely had my share of the same. Just take your time and work it out, man. I'll be rootin for ya.
On June 18 2011 16:58 Helicopter wrote: What the fuck is wrong with that guy; the chances of dying on an airplane are extremely slim and there are many things more dangerous that we do in our everyday lives. What a pusswad.
On June 18 2011 07:24 DDAngelo wrote: Man I had a panic attack the first and second times I sparred in muay thai and it was pretty much the worst thing ever, my chest felt extremely tight, my legs were shaking, I was lightheaded from hyperventilating and I broke down in tears right in the middle of the class. Shame on anyone saying DeMuslim should just get over it or implying he is mentally weak for being a victim of panic attacks. I am sure that he is mature enough to rationalize he is safe while traveling (just like I rationalize that I was safe while sparring), but reason and logic arent enough to prevent a panic attack. How about some sympathy for the poor guy, his condition has caused him to miss a major tournament.
Look I'm disappointed as a fan. But really, this is an elite sport, and mental incapacity is not an excuse. It just means he will never be a top player, no matter his crazy talent, just like physical incapacity prevents some heroic men and women from winning olympic gold. There's no shame in stating this truth - it doesn't reflect badly on DeMu as a person.
But yes, the simple fact is he needs to 'suck it up' and 'get over it', or he just won't ever be where he could/might be as a player. If the condition is severe enough that this is simply not an option, I am sad, but that's the way it is.
It's the same as IdrA, whose mental issues are damaging his career too. He threw away what I personally believe would have been 2nd place at MLG due to a negative mental state. Like DeMu, he will either get over it or he will retire having never achieved his potential.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Mental issues are real illnesses. You don't "suck it up and get over it" any more than you break your arm or get cancer and suck it up and get over it. You need treatment, and I would imagine the last thing people want to hear is pricks like you pass judgment on something they have absolutely no knowledge about.
To even compare having panic attacks to Idra having a poor attitude is so fucking ignorant I want to punch a wall.
Really sad to hear this I guess I thought this was the purpose to have Team Managers and people to assist with issues like this. I mean it is not like a TOP team of EG had no idea for MONTHS they were going to this event and plan stuff at last minute should not fall at fault of the player. They obviously had to have known and accomdated this issue before shame they didn't get the team support he needed to avoid this issue. Hopefully they will plan better and not ever see issue like this in future. I mean he is your teammate you know he needs special accomdations for valid medical panic attacks and you just overlook it and let down your fans and player?
On June 18 2011 07:24 DDAngelo wrote: Man I had a panic attack the first and second times I sparred in muay thai and it was pretty much the worst thing ever, my chest felt extremely tight, my legs were shaking, I was lightheaded from hyperventilating and I broke down in tears right in the middle of the class. Shame on anyone saying DeMuslim should just get over it or implying he is mentally weak for being a victim of panic attacks. I am sure that he is mature enough to rationalize he is safe while traveling (just like I rationalize that I was safe while sparring), but reason and logic arent enough to prevent a panic attack. How about some sympathy for the poor guy, his condition has caused him to miss a major tournament.
Look I'm disappointed as a fan. But really, this is an elite sport, and mental incapacity is not an excuse. It just means he will never be a top player, no matter his crazy talent, just like physical incapacity prevents some heroic men and women from winning olympic gold. There's no shame in stating this truth - it doesn't reflect badly on DeMu as a person.
But yes, the simple fact is he needs to 'suck it up' and 'get over it', or he just won't ever be where he could/might be as a player. If the condition is severe enough that this is simply not an option, I am sad, but that's the way it is.
It's the same as IdrA, whose mental issues are damaging his career too. He threw away what I personally believe would have been 2nd place at MLG due to a negative mental state. Like DeMu, he will either get over it or he will retire having never achieved his potential.
Rofl, and you call yourself a fan of DeMuslim. What a bad fan who can't understand demuslims decision. Srsly, so many bitches in the internet who have no idea what they're talking.
As far as I know that's the first tournament demuslim leaves out because of his panic attacks. And you already talk about retirement, just lol.
Damn, I'm sorry to hear it, I was hoping to see DeMuslim perform well there . I can understand his decision though.
All of you ignorant people spouting random shit about how he should 'suck it up' need to shut up right now, because if it were that simple he obviously would've fucking done it.
like many of the people that have posted before me, i understand what a panic attack is like and therefore i'd like to extend my anonymous support. best of luck dude, hopefully this situation can be avoided in the future. if not, your fans understand (the ones that matter anyway)! thanks for sharing something so personal with your fans, as i'm sure it wasn't easy.
I feel alot of people misread, he said that the problem wasn't going to jonkoping/dreamhack butn the outgoing flight. just pointing it out for anyone wondering why idra ect couldn't pick him up.
On June 18 2011 07:24 DDAngelo wrote: Man I had a panic attack the first and second times I sparred in muay thai and it was pretty much the worst thing ever, my chest felt extremely tight, my legs were shaking, I was lightheaded from hyperventilating and I broke down in tears right in the middle of the class. Shame on anyone saying DeMuslim should just get over it or implying he is mentally weak for being a victim of panic attacks. I am sure that he is mature enough to rationalize he is safe while traveling (just like I rationalize that I was safe while sparring), but reason and logic arent enough to prevent a panic attack. How about some sympathy for the poor guy, his condition has caused him to miss a major tournament.
Look I'm disappointed as a fan. But really, this is an elite sport, and mental incapacity is not an excuse. It just means he will never be a top player, no matter his crazy talent, just like physical incapacity prevents some heroic men and women from winning olympic gold. There's no shame in stating this truth - it doesn't reflect badly on DeMu as a person.
But yes, the simple fact is he needs to 'suck it up' and 'get over it', or he just won't ever be where he could/might be as a player. If the condition is severe enough that this is simply not an option, I am sad, but that's the way it is.
It's the same as IdrA, whose mental issues are damaging his career too. He threw away what I personally believe would have been 2nd place at MLG due to a negative mental state. Like DeMu, he will either get over it or he will retire having never achieved his potential.
Rofl, and you call yourself a fan of DeMuslim. What a bad fan who can't understand demuslims decision. Srsly, so many bitches in the internet who have no idea what they're talking.
As far as I know that's the first tournament demuslim leaves out because of his panic attacks. And you already talk about retirement, just lol.
But it's a pretty serious occurrence, and there's a pattern here. He was on top of the ladders...then broke his arm horribly. Then just as he recovers....does it again. Then he's on absolute FIRE leading up to MLG...then bombs out completely. Then he misses the biggest tournament outside of Korea. If I was his team, I'd start to be concerned.
Look, I am aware panic can be pretty bad - my gf suffered from them. But like all mental conditions, it varies in severity greatly person to person. There is no fixed etiology or prognosis.
So all I am saying is, since there isn't really a consistent, viable treatment available that would not further impair his playing ability, he will have to learn to tough it out. Or it will be too severe for that, and we'll just not see him succeed.
I have great empathy for him at a personal level. But for a professional player there is no room for compassion of circumstance at a tournament level. You either have what it takes or you do not, and a some of the sympathy in this thread blurs that line between supporting the man and making excuses for the player.
On June 18 2011 20:19 coddan wrote: You have no idea what you are talking about. Mental issues are real illnesses. You don't "suck it up and get over it" any more than you break your arm or get cancer and suck it up and get over it. You need treatment, and I would imagine the last thing people want to hear is pricks like you pass judgment on something they have absolutely no knowledge about.
To even compare having panic attacks to Idra having a poor attitude is so fucking ignorant I want to punch a wall.
Actually, as fan of e-sports, it's pretty reasonable for me to pass judgement on a player's chances of future success. Sorry if that makes me a prick, but that's what thousands of other fans do every day in every other sport. Just because it's due to an unforunate personal circumstance doesn't change the fact that he's really not making it happen. SC2 has only been out a year, and he's missed 50% of that due to...stuff.
Of course he possibly can't get over it. If he can, good on him, I hope he then makes his totally freakin' amazing potential come to something. I've followed him since beta, and the kid is a genius at builds and developing play styles. If he can't, then I hope he manages to deal with it and succeed in life, but it won't be as a professional starcraft player. Maybe as a coach or caster/
And the comparison to IdrA is was to highlight how a very very minor mental issue (IdrA's lack of emotional control) can blight your chances success, so what would a major condition or instability do for it, long term?
Sorry if it's a confronting way of looking at it, but I was a sponsor that would be the discussion going on in the offices behind closed doors.
On June 19 2011 03:41 zanmat0 wrote: He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
Given Dennis Bergkamp, one of the greatest footballer's of all time, refused to fly because of a fear of flying and had an incredibly successful career - I imagine Ben will be just fine.
Hey guys, it sucks that he can't go, and now I'm going to speculate WIlDLY about his future, I'm then going to say something patently wrong about panic attacks, and then finish with a bunch of useless statements.
The responses in this thread are infuriating, I'm towing mardow's line here, this is the first time he has missed an event due to panic attacks, and there are people acting like he consistently fails to turn up for anything. To those that call themselves fans, the test of your fandom isn't when your man is crushing skulls left and right, but when he is down and out. Competition is a struggle, a constant shit getting together contest, if you want to support Ben, send him a message cheering him on, rather than acting like you put money on him. I admire Demuslim for coming out and telling the full story, rather than just saying something like "unforeseen circumstances".
TLDR
Just be nice, because no one cares if you act like a prick.
On June 19 2011 03:41 zanmat0 wrote: He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
Given Dennis Bergkamp, one of the greatest footballer's of all time, refused to fly because of a fear of flying and had an incredibly successful career - I imagine Ben will be just fine.
Oh wow one totally unrelated example. I am put in my place.
On June 19 2011 03:41 zanmat0 wrote: He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
He's man enough to admit it, and man enough to commentate in front of thousands of people
How does this help his career? Nice try totally evading the subject. Who cares what he admits, admitting things doesn't help him become a better and more successful player.
On June 19 2011 03:41 zanmat0 wrote: He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
He's man enough to admit it, and man enough to commentate in front of thousands of people
How does this help his career? Nice try totally evading the subject. Who cares what he admits, admitting things doesn't help him become a better and more successful player.
Last time I checked Ben was human, like made out of flesh etc. Being a better and more successful player isn't the be all and end all, even their image as a Starcraft player is based on more than just there in game performance.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
On June 19 2011 03:41 zanmat0 wrote: He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
He's man enough to admit it, and man enough to commentate in front of thousands of people
How does this help his career? Nice try totally evading the subject. Who cares what he admits, admitting things doesn't help him become a better and more successful player.
Last time I checked Ben was human, like made out of flesh etc. Being a better and more successful player isn't the be all and end all, even their image as a Starcraft player is based on more than just there in game performance.
My post was discussing his career.
If you want to discuss Ben as a person then yes we can say things like, he is brave to admit it publically, we hope he gets the needed support to deal with his illness, etc.
However, that is another topic entirely and not the one I was adressing.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
It's true he doesn't perform, and he's not really marketable in his current state. But can you name off anyone on EG that is, other than Idra and Incontrol?(Yes there ARE other SC2 players on EG)
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
How did he "sidestep" your argument? Do you even have an argument? Mental illnesses and traumas aren't that simple, as the other guy said, you can't just tell yourself to "get your shit together" and fix it. Of course it's not helping his career at all, but your posts are quite ignorant...
On June 19 2011 03:41 zanmat0 wrote: He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
He's man enough to admit it, and man enough to commentate in front of thousands of people
How does this help his career? Nice try totally evading the subject. Who cares what he admits, admitting things doesn't help him become a better and more successful player.
Last time I checked Ben was human, like made out of flesh etc. Being a better and more successful player isn't the be all and end all, even their image as a Starcraft player is based on more than just there in game performance.
My post was discussing his career.
If you want to discuss Ben as a person then yes we can say things like, he is brave to admit it publically, we hope he gets the needed support to deal with his illness, etc.
However, that is another topic entirely and not the one I was adressing.
You miss the point, a person and their career are inextricably linked, Idra is a great player, but you have to mention his bad manner in the same breath. Besides, your statement amounts to "if he plays no games, he will not be successful", which is not a useful statement, solving the issue of why he is not playing games would be useful, but your suggestion amounts to "get his shit together", which is vacuous. This makes your claim to higher knowledge silly, since I may as well offer the advice to any other player: "you should improve, if you want to get better"
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
It's true he doesn't perform, and he's not really marketable in his current state. But can you name off anyone on EG that is, other than Idra and Incontrol?(Yes there ARE other SC2 players on EG)
Machine, Axslav, LzGamer
I don't even really pay much attention to American SC2 and I know who they are.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
Please stop pulling the internet enforcer routine. Your statement was of the typically coarse kind that I've come to know all too well here and people called you out on it. That's it. Scurry along now.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
It's true he doesn't perform, and he's not really marketable in his current state. But can you name off anyone on EG that is, other than Idra and Incontrol?(Yes there ARE other SC2 players on EG)
Machine, Axslav, LzGamer
I don't even really pay much attention to American SC2 and I know who they are.
Just because you know who they are does not mean they're good or marketable. Only Idra and Incontrol's been that.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
It's true he doesn't perform, and he's not really marketable in his current state. But can you name off anyone on EG that is, other than Idra and Incontrol?(Yes there ARE other SC2 players on EG)
Machine, Axslav, LzGamer
I don't even really pay much attention to American SC2 and I know who they are.
Just because you know who they are does not mean they're good or marketable. Only Idra and Incontrol's been that.
They may not be good, but EG definitely good at getting their players names out there. I know some of the CS/QL players too and I don't follow either.
Nothing at all you can really do about that, it's not his fault. Don't know if it could've been helped but his trip should've been planned earlier or better.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
It's true he doesn't perform, and he's not really marketable in his current state. But can you name off anyone on EG that is, other than Idra and Incontrol?(Yes there ARE other SC2 players on EG)
Machine, Axslav, LzGamer
I don't even really pay much attention to American SC2 and I know who they are.
Just because you know who they are does not mean they're good or marketable. Only Idra and Incontrol's been that.
They may not be good, but EG definitely good at getting their players names out there. I know some of the CS/QL players too and I don't follow either.
They've marketed Idra and Incontrol, no one else lol.
He needs to get his shit together if he wants to have any future success. Period.
It's a shame most TLers have a difficult time facing the truth.
You cannot be serious, you're either incredibly ignorant, dumb as shit or just one those 'LOL mental illness' people that think it can be fixed with some strong words and a slap on the back. How does one 'get his shit together' with a mental illness, it's not like getting a paracetamol down your throat and sleeping it off, jesus.
Seriously hope bans come down on this thread.
Full of insults, sidesteps the argument completely, adds nothing to the thread whatsoever.
It would be preferable for the bans to come down on people like you if the quality of TL threads is to improve.
It's true he doesn't perform, and he's not really marketable in his current state. But can you name off anyone on EG that is, other than Idra and Incontrol?(Yes there ARE other SC2 players on EG)
Machine, Axslav, LzGamer
I don't even really pay much attention to American SC2 and I know who they are.
Just because you know who they are does not mean they're good or marketable. Only Idra and Incontrol's been that.
They may not be good, but EG definitely good at getting their players names out there. I know some of the CS/QL players too and I don't follow either.
They've marketed Idra and Incontrol, no one else lol.
EPT
