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LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 18:19:30
June 17 2011 18:19 GMT
#81
panic attacks suck. I've had them before and I've learned to get over it in recent times, but that was with a lot of support from friends.

Demuslim, I really hope you do well at the Homestory cup. Keep your chin up
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
June 17 2011 18:26 GMT
#82
Respect for the open words. Society/Sports/E-sports needs more people like DeMuslim saying the truth and talking about their fears eventhough its unpopular. Mainly because of some intolerant, not understandable comments we se above. In society, even in E-sports ppl should never forget that, in the end, we are all humans with different characters and fears.

i'm sure he will work on that issue and overcome it sooner or later.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
June 17 2011 18:50 GMT
#83
That sucks, love seeing Demuslim play in live tourneys.
"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
Liudo
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 18:55:59
June 17 2011 18:54 GMT
#84
On June 18 2011 03:05 SolHeiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 03:01 Devolved wrote:
On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:

Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.


Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."


Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.

Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.

Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.

Just google CBT and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
June 17 2011 18:55 GMT
#85
Sad news, but gl nonetheless.
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
June 17 2011 18:57 GMT
#86
On June 18 2011 03:54 Liudo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 03:05 SolHeiM wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:01 Devolved wrote:
On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:

Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.


Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."


Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.

Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.

Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.

Just google CRB and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.


Yeah, but a psychologist doesn't just tell you "what? You shouldn't fear spiders. I don't fear spiders, you shouldn't. Get on with it," and then show his patient the door. That's his idea of a psychologist. It takes lots of hard work to get over severe psychological fears or phobias, just thinking that my behavior is irrational isn't going to quell any fear.
Starcraftplaylist
Profile Joined May 2011
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 19:16:19
June 17 2011 19:14 GMT
#87
Hmm, go by boat if you are afraid of airports? Bit late now maybe

edit: nvm read too fast
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
June 17 2011 19:19 GMT
#88
On June 18 2011 03:54 Liudo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 03:05 SolHeiM wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:01 Devolved wrote:
On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:

Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.


Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."


Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.

Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.

Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.

Just google CBT and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.


Unfortunately CBT is not as simple as identifying the problem and its gone. Fear is a primal instinct and a defense mechanism that serves a very useful function in the right circumstance. It keeps us safe from the various dangers in life. So it's not easy to just overcome that fundamental part of our humanity. You need to take small steps and remove your fears and anxieties one step at a time. Travel anxiety is so hard to deal with (especially flying) cause there really are no small steps. I guess britain to sweden is about as small as it gets going abroad.

I can really sympathize with Demuslim though as I've experienced panic attacks of a similar sort. It's one of the most chocking and uncomfortable things you could imagine. Because you know what it is but you still can't stop it until you learn to calm down in a very specific manner (atleast that's how it worked for me). I can imagine how frightening it must be to be lost in a country where most people can't speak english. As demuslim was a war3 pro at younger ages I'm guessing this may have happened when he attended such events?

Anyways I wish Ben could feel safe in sweden. There are so many people that speaks english well and we like to help people most of the time . I wish I could somehow help but unfortunately I'm nowhere near DH and do not have the economical means to get over there.
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
June 17 2011 19:39 GMT
#89
It's sad that stuff like this prevents you from attending everything you want and can. Hope it wont turn out to be a problem for any future events and wish him and EG the best of luck in the future! Demuslim is one of my favorite terrans in Europe.

Now go prac hard for home story cup 3 and win it! :D
@Munck
VvyzZ
Profile Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
June 17 2011 20:03 GMT
#90
DeMusliM needs to see his doctor, panic attacks are no laughing matter and they're clearly affecting his work (and probably personal) life. This can be solved in the short-term with many types of readily available medicines and in the long-term with cognitive behavioral therapy.

Get some clonazepam, get on that plane and go pwn some noobs!
Westy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England808 Posts
June 17 2011 20:28 GMT
#91
On June 18 2011 03:54 Liudo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 03:05 SolHeiM wrote:
On June 18 2011 03:01 Devolved wrote:
On June 18 2011 02:43 Davidxcom wrote:

Even if people know that their fear is irrational there is no way that you can make it go away just with thinking about it rationally.


Why not? The only thing a psychologist does is make you think of things in a different way than you're used to thinking about them (and pump you full of drugs to make their job easier). If you're irrationally afraid of something then it seems to me the best way to quell your fear is to think about it rationally and then you realize there is nothing to be afraid of. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."


Yeah that's not the only thing a psychologist does. Fear is an emotion and no logical reasoning is going to overcome those emotions. It's why women sometimes stay with their abusive husbands because of love even though they logically know full well they live in hell and are much better off without him.

Fear is an emotion, and when emotions and logic clash there is no place for logic.

Cognitive behaviour therapy: emotions are triggered by thoughts. You can change your reactions to trigger events.

Just google CBT and look at a wiki article if you want to know more.


Your missing something out... CBT actually says that emotions and thoughts are linked, so yes a thought can trigger an emotion, but it can also work the other way round.
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
June 17 2011 20:43 GMT
#92
Keep on fighitng DM <3 <3<3 <3<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
June 17 2011 20:55 GMT
#93

I guess you can respect DeMuslim for his honesty. Too bad we won't get to see him. Props to him though.
SK_MC, ST_Parting, STX_Bogus fighting!!! Colossi should shoot nukes and blink.
Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
June 17 2011 20:56 GMT
#94
On June 18 2011 02:27 Devolved wrote:
A lot of sympathy and understanding for him, but I'm not sure if I understand. I'm sure it was scary to be lost in foreign lands as a teenager, but as a grown man it just seems irrational. As an adult, people must overcome their irrational fears in order to function in society. You can't just close yourself up and expect things to work out because they won't. And now he's missing the biggest tourney in Europe because he's afraid of something that doesn't actually exist.


it doesnt have to be rational, you can completely understand there is nothing to be worried about and still experience the physical symptoms of a panic attack. its uncontrollable and its very debilitating, often you feel like you cant breathe like someones sitting on your chest and very nauseous. its something thats very hard to deal with.
If you want peace... prepare for war.
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
June 17 2011 21:22 GMT
#95
♥'s to Dimaga, that's sad news.

Looking forward to seeing him in action soon though. glhf
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 17 2011 21:26 GMT
#96
On June 18 2011 01:08 Perfect wrote:
GL HF

We shall see you soon


Not if he keeps this up, i can't imagine a team hanging on to a player who cannot attend LAN's that require travel.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
June 17 2011 21:29 GMT
#97
Can you people posting that you don't understand panic attacks stop posting? This thread has nothing to do with you.

I wouldn't enter the NHL Finals thread to post "wow I don't get hockey".
I wouldn't enter this thread and post "I don't get Dreamhack".
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 17 2011 21:30 GMT
#98
And this is why we shouldn't pressure pro players to explain themselves over every situation like this. He wasn't comfortable going about Sweden by himself without plans completely set and I don't think that is somethign he HAD to explain publicly. It is too bad we won't see him in DH but good to see that we will see him competing all over again.
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Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
June 17 2011 21:31 GMT
#99
On June 18 2011 06:26 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 01:08 Perfect wrote:
GL HF

We shall see you soon


Not if he keeps this up, i can't imagine a team hanging on to a player who cannot attend LAN's that require travel.

AFAWK this is a one off due to late travel arrangements. Ben made it to MLG fine, and will be going to Homestory cup. Don't be a douche.
EG.DeMusliM/d.BlinG/UK Fighting!
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
June 17 2011 21:36 GMT
#100
On June 18 2011 06:26 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 01:08 Perfect wrote:
GL HF

We shall see you soon


Not if he keeps this up, i can't imagine a team hanging on to a player who cannot attend LAN's that require travel.


It's not like he just crossed the fucking ocean or anything
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