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RndmGdNck
United States60 Posts
Your whole second point is thrown out the window by what he says at around the 30/40 second mark. On June 17 2011 11:47 DirtYLOu wrote: Who cares what Catz think anyway? This if I wanted Catz opinion on something I'll ask him. Catz is definitely one of the more outspoken pros. Probably the most outspoken. But just like the first comment in the youtube video: "For esport to grow in the west we need good matches, not throwing money on mediocre players." | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On June 17 2011 12:06 rotegirte wrote: Just a thought: Nada vs Morrow attracts 17k viewers right now. Pretty good in my book viewership has nothing to do with this thread | ||
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Soluhwin
United States1287 Posts
I agree with catz to an extent, certain events should be a global mixture to truly bring the best, and force competition between the two worlds of esports, if this didn't exist then foreigners would never catch up and that phrase right there ^ "the two worlds of esports" will stay around forever. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
As already outlined in following post: On June 17 2011 11:49 drop271 wrote: I think there are some serious flaws in your argument tbh (and Catz' if that is his theory). The currency of esports is not prizemoney but fans, views and streams. Ultimately these generate revenue for the event of course, which has a very indirect impact on prizemoney. That 'currency' (ie fans) does not get 'exported' to Korea if a Korean wins. Therefore there is no loss to the foreign scene. The only way that there could be an impact is if you were to run an argument that lower (or less access to) prizemoney would mean lower quality foreign players (I know you don't specifically make such a claim). However, views/streams/fans make sponsors more achievable, teams more profitable and player income higher without ever relying on prize money. Koreans adding interest to our foreign tournaments DEFINITELY help this grow. Consequently, I can't see a negative impact from having Korean players. Hell, even if the lack of prizemoney did have an impact, the fact that they have come over and bossed people might inspire and drive foreign players far more than prizemoney ever could. Perhaps not racist, but most likely xenophobic Nice argument though! A lot of thought put in | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On June 17 2011 12:07 Soluhwin wrote: Woa, someone who understands economics on TL, I figured starcraft fans were mostly math majors. I agree with catz to an extent, certain events should be a global mixture to truly bring the best, and force competition between the two worlds of esports, if this didn't exist then foreigners would never catch up and that phrase right there ^ "the two worlds of esports" will stay around forever. He doesn't really understand economics. The concepts are not applicable at all. | ||
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
On June 17 2011 12:07 Rekrul wrote: He's not being racist he's just being dumb. If you want to compete with the Koreans get better, simple as that. This. User was warned for this post | ||
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cristo1122
Australia505 Posts
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
On June 17 2011 12:07 Rekrul wrote: He's not being racist he's just being dumb. If you want to compete with the Koreans get better, simple as that. Exactly. Not that it matters anymore because he bombed out of the NASL and won't be invited back for season 2 unless he qualifies like everyone else | ||
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Parj
France55 Posts
SC2 is the game which will spread E-sport scene out of caves.Just a question of time. Why koreans are still dominating the scene, coz they spend more money to train progamers before the rest of the world from a long time.The same causes will produce the sames effects. From less than a year with this game there so much money injected from everywhere, so if NASL don't allow best players to come, it can surely help "local" champions to groth and reveal, but in a long term future NASL have to let best players coming in, from every country. Americans need to play vs best foreigners, specially koreans, for a very high level NASL, and it'll be a huge buisness, more than if you just invite 2 europeans and koreans. | ||
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setmeal
162 Posts
Its clear that Catz is afraid of competition and just wants the easy dollars. Maybe practice harder instead of waking up late or stealing other people's girlfriends instead? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
You're called PROFESSIONALS for a reason. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
It's ok to be a 'professional gamer' in korea, not even that, its great to be one. In the west, a lot of people would be afraid to say they're professional gamers ( before people start talking without base, by this I mean making $/living off the game, not skill ), When I say im a professional gamer, I have to explain for the following 10 minutes what that means and how its possible to generate revenue off of it. Last time I had to explain this to a couple of my friends that came over TT1 was sitting next to me and he said something like "I can't believe you told em that, im always to embarrassed to say im a professional gamer". I have a degree and I could easily work in my field, but I would much rather do this, I clearly enjoy it a lot more. To sum things up, for Esports to grow in the west, to become widely accepted, to become a big industry, I believe we need local, home grown talent and in order for this home grown talent (the players) to keep up with the koreans skill-wise and to have a comparable following, they need proper motivation ($). Its much like college footbal or basketball in a sense too, If you threw the same players right off the bat to the NFL or the NBA, they would probably suck and never get better if you throw a first year college basketball team into the major leagues and tell them the prizepool is sick, I doubt they'd train as much or pursue basketball as a career as if they were playing other colleges. Still PLENTY people watch college basketball, and its incredibly likely that these players you're watching right now will become the big stars of tomorrow and everyone knows that, but first they need to be let grow, by putting them in leagues that they honestly believe they can win. Its not as extreme with starcraft 2, because I believe forgeiners CAN still compete with koreans, altough the gap seems to be growing every time, its still small in comparison to broodwar for example. Anyways not trying to be the bad guy here, and im not gonna argue much on this thread, this is what I believe we need in order to see something like this: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/koreastarcraft.jpg/ outside of korea. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
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edwahn
New Zealand121 Posts
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namedplayer
844 Posts
'Don't let Koreans compete in western scene because White dudez can't beat Koreans?' why don't he just practice harder and try to beat Koreans? hm... maybe he just doesn't wanna practice harder. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On June 17 2011 12:34 namedplayer wrote: so what is his point? 'Don't let Koreans compete in western scene because White dudez can't beat Koreans?' why don't he just practice harder and try to beat Koreans? hm... maybe he just doesn't wanna practice harder. Ideally in my fantasy would there would be plenty of tournaments as there are now where koreans can be measured against non-koreans, and provided the scene has some time to breathe and grow, I think you'd get to see a lot more interesting matches. | ||
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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
If you want access to korean sc2 winnings, you need to live in korea. If you want access to western sc2 winnings, you can live anywhere in the world. When you have litterally the very best in the world flying around the world to scoup up a 5k prize from your 'local' turny, it's going to feel like a kick in the balls. And it makes it difficult for the scene to support a larger wester player base. Less prize money to westerns, and more importantly less star power for western player to pick up sponsor money. Is it good or bad for the western sc2 scene? Prob bad short term, but by forcing western players to play at top korean level it maybe good long term. South Korean events are built longer, generally for tv. There have no big money prizes awarded where someone could fly into korea, play for a weekend/week and go home. Dispite some fairly serious effort by GSL to make it easier to people to move to korea -you don't fly in for an event like golf, tennis, formula one, or any other international sport- you have to live there. | ||
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