EPTCatz's argument explained - Page 31
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zimz
United States510 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:06 aiz9r wrote: if everyone startet at zero, just like back at the beginning of sc1, then yeah, its true. but tell me, do you think there is a chance a dedicated EU/NA player can make up the 4, 5, maybe 6 years of expierience that the best koreans have in a decent amount of time? there may be 1 or 2 player a year with so much raw talent that they can pull it off in maybe 6 month, but you cannot call 2 player a sc2 scene. and you can only practice so much if you have to spend half of your playingtime grinding all the daily cups with mediocre competition just to make a living when all the big events are practically unwinable atm Then the foreigner scene will never catch up. Not that I didn't already know that. I personally have no problem with a segregated scene like in sc1 since I watch the game for the game. But others will not feel the same way I do. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:11 Malgrif wrote: code s koreans live in a house dedicated to sc2, all their living expenses are taken care of and their only real responsibility is to play sc2. top foreigners don't have that. FXO / Root (before they left) / EG / Swedish House have something to say about that. | ||
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Powerforged2
Canada48 Posts
Dirk Nowitzki is way to tall and is completely OP, who can block his shots.. way too good for the NBA he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA finals A true sports/e-sports fan shouldn't care about who's playing or what country they are from. We wanna see awesome games played by the best of the best | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:20 Powerforged2 wrote: Tim Thomas is way too good to be playing in the NHL and is clearly OP, he should not have been allowed to play in the SCF Dirk Nowitzki is way to tall and is completely OP, who can block his shots.. way too good for the NBA he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA finals A true sports/e-sports fan shouldn't care about who's playing or what country they are from. We wanna see awesome games played by the best of the best That pretty much sums it up :p you can't ban players cause they are too good. | ||
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caseeker
United States63 Posts
Why don't they just stop playing sc2 and get an actual job, these kids are the ones who ruin the esports | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On June 20 2011 07:39 aiz9r wrote: srsly, how are the foreigners supposed to live and train like koreans when there is no chance at all for them to earn the money needed the live such a life? you just can't squeeze in 10+ hours of training after a 9-5 job. and you can't quit your job because there is just no way to ever be able to catch up with them over a short period of time. What are you talking about, every single foreigner invited this DH plays SC2 fulltime already afaik. Stop making excuses. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On June 20 2011 07:39 aiz9r wrote: srsly, how are the foreigners supposed to live and train like koreans when there is no chance at all for them to earn the money needed the live such a life? you just can't squeeze in 10+ hours of training after a 9-5 job. and you can't quit your job because there is just no way to ever be able to catch up with them over a short period of time. How many top non-Korean progamers have 9-5 jobs? | ||
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deerpark87
760 Posts
On June 20 2011 07:39 aiz9r wrote: srsly, how are the foreigners supposed to live and train like koreans when there is no chance at all for them to earn the money needed the live such a life? you just can't squeeze in 10+ hours of training after a 9-5 job. and you can't quit your job because there is just no way to ever be able to catch up with them over a short period of time. Destiny makes 4k USD per month just from streaming SC2 on JTV. He quit his day job to be a pro gamer. Also, most foreigner has a salary and expense paid to travel around the world for tournaments from their teams. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:12 zimz wrote: if they start banning people by race, or nationality, i'm done watching SC2. See you later then because they have already done it in many tournaments. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:39 Sein wrote: How many top non-Korean progamers have 9-5 jobs? Bomber goes to school full time and he appears to be shitting on everyone everwhere. He's an art student which technically doesn't really count, but still... it's some responsability.  | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:50 starcraft911 wrote: Bomber goes to school full time and he appears to be shitting on everyone everwhere. He's an art student which technically doesn't really count, but still... it's some responsability. Starcraft is an art! | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:12 pAzand wrote: Every country/region should have a EPS with professional players and teams. But we need the big tournaments to, like Dreamhack/MLG/NASL/IEM. And for those, everyone are welcome, just like the foreigners are welcome to the GSL and to the teamhouses/GOM foreigner house to train and compete but the problem is, like stated in various shows and discussions that Code A don't give enough money for the foreign players. What we need are both more players competing in Korea and better team houses in the west. The foreign scene has gone a long way but if you don't put in the time other players (Koreans, Huk, Jinro) do, you can't expect to compete. The chance to train that hard is out there for many foreigners but they rather take the easy money and the easy route in the west, I'm glad the Koreans come over and compete for our prize pools. On a sidenote, the NASL shouldn't be played online, it should be like the GSL, I guess that's what CatZ is saying and who can really argue with that? It would have been amazing but you gotta start somewhere right? And the big names like Nada, MC, July and Boxer gives so much more revenue than only NA/EU players, hopefully leading to something more, something worthy of the western scene? Korea is the only country where you can have an offline tournament taking place all month every month. None of those other countrys have enough good players to make it financially viable. If the NASL were offline then A) the standard of play would be pretty poor and most people wouldn't watch or would watch it a lot less and B) The country is far too big, it would require the entire NA scene to relocate to California or whichever city they chose to host it in, which is again unrealistic. Even if there were a European equivalent, the Germans, Eastern Europeans, French etc.. can't/won't just relocate to Sweden at the drop of a hat. Korea is a smallish country with a massive player base which makes a continuous LAN tournament viable. | ||
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aiz9r
Germany32 Posts
every single foreigner invited this DH plays SC2 fulltime already afaik. foreigner = everyone not from korea? cause i was referring to foreigners as gamers not from the korean scene. and i highly doubt that all those invited to dreamhack play SC2 fulltime... just look at their winnings for the year up to the 1st of june nightend ~1500$ happy ~ 2300$ tarson ~ 1800$ elfi - 1200$ mana - 1000$ predy - 350$ adel - 2800$ no way to live of of that for 6 months | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:56 aiz9r wrote: foreigner = everyone not from korea? cause i was referring to foreigners as gamers not from the korean scene. and i highly doubt that all those invited to dreamhack play SC2 fulltime... just look at their winnings for the year up to the 1st of june nightend ~1500$ happy ~ 2300$ tarson ~ 1800$ elfi - 1200$ mana - 1000$ predy - 350$ adel - 2800$ no way to live of of that for 6 months Streaming, coaching, sponsors, teams. Not that guys like that are living as Kings (some might have jobs) but prize money isn't something any players rely on to pay bills. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:48 starcraft911 wrote: See you later then because they have already done it in many tournaments. None that matter. | ||
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Cade)Flayer
United Kingdom279 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On June 20 2011 08:50 starcraft911 wrote: Bomber goes to school full time and he appears to be shitting on everyone everwhere. He's an art student which technically doesn't really count, but still... it's some responsability. Yeah, Nada has been (or at least had been until recently) a full time college student while producing consistently good results in GSL as well. It's not that all foreigners are busy with their 9-5 jobs, many of them just don't seem to be willing to put in the amount of practice time players living in Korea are committing every day. | ||
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gosu86
208 Posts
On June 20 2011 09:25 Gamegene wrote: Honestly I have to ask who watches the craftcup or the iccup or the other smaller tournaments on a regular basis; that's right. No one. rofl i ve never even heard of those | ||
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