Race Win Rates Update: May - Page 19

On June 08 2011 19:02 Hristiyan wrote:
My apologies, i got cheesed 3 times in a row right now vs terrans, which totally don't deserve to be in master league and i just needed to channel it somewhere. I'm sorry, wont happen again.

On June 08 2011 16:39 nvrs wrote:


All evidence point towards the game having a pretty good balance (these stats, GSL, etc.). There is no perfect balance in such a game anyway and it will get better over time. Imo, they have done a fantastic job and as the game evolves we are seeing more macro games and less one base play.

On June 08 2011 23:01 VoidEU wrote:



It actually may not. Because the TvT matchup is not listed there. And everytime a T player plays another race 50% of the players are terran, No more no less. However there may be more TvZ and TvP games played than ZvP. But the precentage should still lean towards 50%.

On June 08 2011 06:31 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm. And from some of the recent posts on this site you'd think Protoss has a 0 winrate vs both races

I remember the last one of these had PvZ at like 30%, so we can already see it's improving drastically

On June 09 2011 05:43 AndyGB4 wrote:
Im interested to see these stats for Korea only, because so far in the GSL Super Tournament:

+ Show Spoiler +

Anyways, thanks for the stats, it's interesting to see what the latest trends are.

On June 09 2011 05:43 AndyGB4 wrote:
Im interested to see these stats for Korea only, because so far in the GSL Super Tournament:

+ Show Spoiler +

Anyways, thanks for the stats, it's interesting to see what the latest trends are.

On June 10 2011 18:58 Warble wrote:
51.4%
50.5%
47.7%

Looks very well balanced to me. Only protoss has any right to complain, and a very small right at that.

The race-specific data shows that each matchup is within 2% of perfect balance except ZvP.

So perhaps now a more interesting question arises:

Which race has the highest skill ceiling?

On June 10 2011 19:06 FordQuality wrote:

You can't got by win ratios in a system that tries to make a 50 50 win ratio anyway, I often see people go up a league by switching from zerg and go down a league by switching 2 zerg.Lets say i switch to zerg and my win ratio goes down the system will then drop me a league level to achieve a 50% win rateing so these stats don't mean anything.

On June 10 2011 19:21 Warble wrote:


These are tournament results, not just ladder.

Ladder tries to make win ratios 50:50.

Tournaments do no such thing.

Also, only top players feature in TLPD.

On June 10 2011 05:25 caldor wrote:
hmmmm...

Lets try looking at some other sources:

You could start out with this site:
http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/eu#ratio:0

But Zerg does not seem to be overly dominant amongst players with the highest win ratio in the grand master leagues. Of course the players with the most games played are really the ones that matter. A few in the top with few games played and a good streak, the ones with more than 1000 games are the one s that have proven they can keep up that win ratio. As for overall stats, you should remember that there are players who use bots to cheat their way to 1000 wins avatars, and Zerg Kerrigan seems to be popular... Food for thought. Not sure if it would be a good or bad thing when it comes to the win %, I guess its likely to be a bad thing. Still there are factors that makes the overall statistics rather useless. You need to look at the master leagues, and also there are much fewer players playing Zerg, so their statistics probably fluctuates much more than the other races. On top of that you have noob races like the Protoss that is easy to start out with for beginners.

Check out this:
http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/eu/bronze/1/all/played

Shows who has the most plays in bronzer league. You find mostly random players, but also some Terran and Protoss players in the top 50. The first Zerg on the list is at rank 72, and with all of these players still in Bronze league, it should tell something about their win ratio, even though they have more than 1000 wins. I hope Blizzard will punish this.

Also how annoying is it to wait 2 minutes for someone to play against, and then the other player just surrenders before the game begins? Yay, free win? I really do not care about how many wins I have. At least these are not players I face in the platinum league, or the gold league much, but is has happened that I got matched with one of these avatar bots.

But good luck proving Zerg is overpowered. Lets see who gets the next nerf, because there it is not because Blizzard is failing that Zerg usually gets buffed each patch. They are trying to slowly buff Zerg little by little until the game seems balanced. Which I guess might be a good idea.

I am not sure were exactly these stats come from, but if they come from the bronze league as well, they are without doubt, worthless when it comes to a discussion about balance.

On June 10 2011 19:37 cheesemaster wrote:
Im honestly astonished at the amount of people that dont read the OP and just assume its ladder statistics, why does this happen so often on TL, i mean everyone makes mistakes, but then you see someone make a post about it being ladder statistics and literally a post or 2 above them it says "these are not ladder statistics" as well as in the OP it states the same thing =/

Ive only recently started posting on TL but ive been lurking in the shadows for quite a long time, and i dont remember it being so much like this back before starcraft 2 or even just 4-5 months ago. It resembles the battle.net forums alot more than it used to unfortunately. (no offense to anyone its really unavoidable and its good for the site overall if it becomes more popular) The moderation is already really strict so its not really a problem with that, and i guess you cant really ban people for making mistakes (that would be awesome, even if it means i would have been banned a few times)

On June 10 2011 20:18 BaLoO- wrote:
First thanks for your work dude, really interesting (and thanks especially for the colorblind version :D).

However, I think most people give way too much importance to korean data. If i'm not mistaken, your data come from GSL A & S + GSTL only (there may be a few other games, but hardly any). That's why we only have about 170 games a month (1553/9, ofc it's not exact). It is not enough to be statistically significant, the smaller the pool of games the bigger the importance of side factors (skill, maps or even luck) is.

Anyway as much people say, both data -worldwide and in korea- doesn't show any imbalance for the moment (it could be the case if PvZ keeps this ratio for some months more).

On June 10 2011 20:38 Severian wrote:




Holy cow lol. The data comes from Korean & International tournaments/leagues. There were 1700 games added in this month. All of this information is in the OP.