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TrevorJK
Profile Joined May 2009
United States77 Posts
June 07 2011 17:36 GMT
#161
MLG can invite the same 4 koreans for Anaheim if they want, correct?
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 07 2011 17:40 GMT
#162
On June 08 2011 02:33 JustPassingBy wrote:
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On June 08 2011 02:29 DoomsVille wrote:
Most important piece of information here: MC, LosirA and IdrA would all be in the same pool should everyone show up for MLG anaheim.


Huh? How does that come? Losira and MC are only 2 players apart, so they should be in different groups, shouldn't they?

edit: Btw. the Koreans need to place top 5 or above for this trip to become economically viable to them. Even though I think they are capable of doing that, we might not see some of them returning. :sadface:

LosirA is 7, MC is 10 in the overall rankings. This is how the groups would be:

Group A: 1, 8, 9, 16
Group B: 2, 7, 10, 15
Group C: 3, 6, 11, 14
Group D: 4, 5, 12, 13

That puts losira, mc and idra all in group b. Again this hinges on all of them showing up. Well really you just need everyone ranked 11 or lower to show up. If that happens all 3 will be in the same group.
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
June 07 2011 17:42 GMT
#163
On June 08 2011 02:16 Mr Mauve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:04 Anihc wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:01 Feijichang wrote:
Looks like the system works.


No, I still think it's a horrible system. Gretorp has gone 1-11 in the past 2 MLGs, and is STILL ranked 25th? How is that even close to fair?


Hi! Devil's advocate here.

The people Gretorp lost to in Columbus are ranked (according to Liquipedia, so not yet adjusted for Columbus tie-breakers):

1st
4th
16th (based on only 1 tournament, with an 8th place finish - so this person deserves better than 16th)
17th
22nd
and 30th (based on 1 tournament, with a 17-20th place finish - so this person deserves better than 30th)

In Dallas, he beat someone who is currently ranked 31st (and who has played in both tournaments).

Based on that, doesn't a ranking of "somewhere between 22nd and 31st" seem almost, well... fair?


It's not fair that he doesn't even get the chance to play lower seeded people. He didn't win a single match in columbus, yet finished in 27th place. What other tournament allows you to finish in the top 10% by losing everything?

In columbus I only lost to a player who was ranked 23rd, and beat someone ranked 29th. Does that mean I should be ranked somewhere between 24th and 28th?
Mr Mauve
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom386 Posts
June 07 2011 17:43 GMT
#164
On June 08 2011 02:40 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:33 JustPassingBy wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:29 DoomsVille wrote:
Most important piece of information here: MC, LosirA and IdrA would all be in the same pool should everyone show up for MLG anaheim.


Huh? How does that come? Losira and MC are only 2 players apart, so they should be in different groups, shouldn't they?

edit: Btw. the Koreans need to place top 5 or above for this trip to become economically viable to them. Even though I think they are capable of doing that, we might not see some of them returning. :sadface:

LosirA is 7, MC is 10 in the overall rankings. This is how the groups would be:

Group A: 1, 8, 9, 16
Group B: 2, 7, 10, 15
Group C: 3, 6, 11, 14
Group D: 4, 5, 12, 13

That puts losira, mc and idra all in group b. Again this hinges on all of them showing up. Well really you just need everyone ranked 11 or lower to show up. If that happens all 3 will be in the same group.


Also, iNcontroL and Machine would be in the same group 8^D
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Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 07 2011 17:49 GMT
#165
On June 08 2011 01:56 Shiros wrote:
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On June 08 2011 01:37 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Moon/MC/Losira/MMA are probably not coming back to the next MLG anyway though right? (well Moon might), so I don't think Machine, Sheth and maybe even Tyler have lost their seeding for the next MLG. Edit: The no-shows would make it just like how other players (i.e. Gretorp retained seeding).


I'm pretty sure in the aftergame interview, MMA said he would come back if invited since he enjoyed MLG so much.

If I remember correctly, they won't reinvite (meaning they'll pay for plane tickets and stay) a korean previously invited, but anyone is free to get there themselves and get seeded with the points they got when they were invited. That means it would be possible to have 8 koreans in pool play next MLG if MMA/MC/Losira/Moon fly in along with the 4 new korean invites.
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KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
June 07 2011 17:53 GMT
#166
I guess people are forgetting, that it will be harder/almost impossible for all Koreans to become seeded during the one tournament, they are invited to. The competition will be tougher due to the already seeded Koreans and the needed points are rising.
So it will not work the way, that with each tournament there will be four more Koreans seeded. (Not that I would be against it)

Sorry, if that was already posted.
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
June 07 2011 17:59 GMT
#167
Those rankings on LP still aren't updated. At least from what I can see. It still has players with ranges for their finish in Columbus.

For example: It has Sjow at 250 for Columbus because at the time it was unknown if he finished 13th/14th/15th/16th so they gave him the minimum of 250 for a 16th place finish. However, Sjow finished 13th and earned 340 points.

Also, TLO did only earn 60, but Haypro earned 460. So Haypro will be ahead of TLO by 10 points.
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Mr Mauve
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom386 Posts
June 07 2011 18:04 GMT
#168
On June 08 2011 02:42 Anihc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:16 Mr Mauve wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:04 Anihc wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:01 Feijichang wrote:
Looks like the system works.


No, I still think it's a horrible system. Gretorp has gone 1-11 in the past 2 MLGs, and is STILL ranked 25th? How is that even close to fair?


Hi! Devil's advocate here.

The people Gretorp lost to in Columbus are ranked (according to Liquipedia, so not yet adjusted for Columbus tie-breakers):

1st
4th
16th (based on only 1 tournament, with an 8th place finish - so this person deserves better than 16th)
17th
22nd
and 30th (based on 1 tournament, with a 17-20th place finish - so this person deserves better than 30th)

In Dallas, he beat someone who is currently ranked 31st (and who has played in both tournaments).

Based on that, doesn't a ranking of "somewhere between 22nd and 31st" seem almost, well... fair?


It's not fair that he doesn't even get the chance to play lower seeded people. He didn't win a single match in columbus, yet finished in 27th place. What other tournament allows you to finish in the top 10% by losing everything?


How about the world's oldest association football competition... the English FA Cup!

762 entrants in 2009/10, but the Premiership and Championship teams don't enter until the 3rd round proper and can't possibly finish below 33rd-64th. BOOM, I WIN!

In columbus I only lost to a player who was ranked 23rd, and beat someone ranked 29th. Does that mean I should be ranked somewhere between 24th and 28th?


Shouldn't that be my first guess?

I'm sorry the system let you down - it sounds like you kicked ass.

(takes off devil's advocate robe and wig)

Look, I'm not saying the system is perfect. I think it should react far quicker than it does. I'm just saying that in Gretorp's case it is at least consistent. And it means that MLG can make videos and compile stats for a few big name players, so for them - it works.
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ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
June 07 2011 18:40 GMT
#169
On June 07 2011 19:12 tooPrime wrote:
So I know MLG would like to get some Koreans in there, but if they invite 4 new Koreans every time and the previous Koreans keep showing up with their plush seedings they got from getting placed into pool play, wouldn't pool play just become mostly Koreans after awhile?

It is sort of like if the GSL gave 6 Code S spots away to foreigners every new tournament.


GSL did give 4 foreigner code A spot last time. Unfortunately, none of them survived except Huk.
GSL could easily give like 4 spots for foreigners in code S, but no offense, it seems impossible for them to stay in code S. Plz name 4 players in MLG who had won 2-3 games v.s. Korean (coz this is minimum required winning number to stay in GSL code S, not to mention Moon and MMA is not current code S player). Wow, I'm sry, the result is none.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
June 07 2011 18:54 GMT
#170
This is what the pools will look like assuming none of koreans seeded in the top 16 (MMA, MC, Losira, and Moon) are invited back for Anaheim:

1. Naniwa 1850
11. Haypro 800
12. TLO 770
20. Tyler 430

2. Idra 1400
9. iNcontroL 920
13. Sjow 740
19. Fenix 460

4. Slush 1190
8. Ret 940
14. Moonan 630
18. Sheth 520

5. Kiwikaki 1140
6. Select 1090
16. Drewbie 540
17. Machine 530


coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
June 07 2011 18:54 GMT
#171
So Thorzain got 9th this event yet still is ranked 20th and might not be seeded next time. It seems kind of ridiculous he might have to go through the open bracket again how high would whitera need to place to get seeded in the next MLG? Is it even possible for a foreigner with no or few points to get seeded now unless they can beat the Koreans for the top places?(maybe even more than once?)
ehalf
Profile Joined September 2010
408 Posts
June 07 2011 19:16 GMT
#172
On June 08 2011 02:16 Mr Mauve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:04 Anihc wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:01 Feijichang wrote:
Looks like the system works.


No, I still think it's a horrible system. Gretorp has gone 1-11 in the past 2 MLGs, and is STILL ranked 25th? How is that even close to fair?


Hi! Devil's advocate here.

The people Gretorp lost to in Columbus are ranked (according to Liquipedia, so not yet adjusted for Columbus tie-breakers):

1st
4th
16th (based on only 1 tournament, with an 8th place finish - so this person deserves better than 16th)
17th
22nd
and 30th (based on 1 tournament, with a 17-20th place finish - so this person deserves better than 30th)

In Dallas, he beat someone who is currently ranked 31st (and who has played in both tournaments).

Based on that, doesn't a ranking of "somewhere between 22nd and 31st" seem almost, well... fair?


New strong player keep coming. U cant expect MLG still have same shit level of players while it growing. Their system is stupid enough to keep horrible players stays in the pool. If u cant even stay with this current system, it only indicates u are far beyond horrible.


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GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
June 07 2011 19:25 GMT
#173
Even for Korean players that end up seeded in the Top 16, it's not even close to 100% that they'll show at the next one. For example, Huk didn't make the trip this time even though he had a seeded spot. Not having the trip paid for and not having the GSL make extra special accomodations for you means it'll be tough. I'd expect maybe two from the last tournament to come to Annaheim, maybe 3. Still, foreign players are going to have to put up results if they don't want to end up in the open bracket going forward.
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Original exxo
Profile Joined April 2011
United States257 Posts
June 07 2011 19:27 GMT
#174
Finally Gretorp is out lol
neo_sporin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States516 Posts
June 07 2011 19:29 GMT
#175
Thanks for doing this Xeris...i just wish MLG was better about getting us the final standings and even if they dont list the points, at least we can make an accurate representations for ourselves
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 07 2011 19:33 GMT
#176
Well... Socke should be coming back and he has enough points, but at the same time I'm sure some Koreans won't be coming back, so maybe Machine and Sheth could still get in. I'm hoping Sheth can.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
June 07 2011 19:36 GMT
#177
Why would Sheth get knocked out when he did fairly well this MLG?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 07 2011 19:37 GMT
#178
On June 07 2011 21:45 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 18:01 Xeris wrote:
From what I understand, 4 new Koreans will be invited each time. The previous Koreans (I.E. MC, MMA, Losira, Moon, July) won't have paid trips, which means if they want to compete again they will need to pay their own way. A Korean outside the Top 16 has little/no incentive to do this (July).

Unknown whether other Koreans will deem it worthwhile to send their players to compete for $14,000. I'd imagine MC and MMA would return (random guess).



Won't the Korean's have the same travel stipend that the other top 16 players have?


Which is $0... only travel stipend for the National Championship afaik
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aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
June 07 2011 19:37 GMT
#179
I think Socke had to play german EPS finals and therefore wasnt able to come....but i think he will come next time...so dont forget him he has the points
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
June 07 2011 19:39 GMT
#180
Is there any word yet on whether SLush, NaNi or Ret will be choosing to take advantage of the Code A opportunity afforded them? I know IdrA wants to stay in the US. If they do not accept, will they simply go down the line until someone accepts?
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