EPTMLG Seeding - Page 12
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illsick
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote: 12 players get through the open bracket. 4 go to pool play and have a chance to get seeded high into the championship bracket. The other 8 automatically start at round 1 of the championship bracket. To get top 16 from pool play, 6th in the group must win 3 bo3's, 5th must win 2 bo3's, 4th must win 1 bo3, and 3rd place is automatically in the top 16 (can lose first match after pool play and will be 13th-16th). So there's definitely some good opportunity for the open players to get top 16. Or from the other perspective, it's not super easy for a seeded player to get top 16, especially in a really hard group with good players coming from the open bracket too. The problem is the accumulation of rank points. If an open player just barely breaks into the top 16 at the 3rd or 4th or 5th event, he has pretty much no chance of getting a top 16 for next event. Most of the changing around happens in the first two events. Like if a person with no rank points goes to Anaheim, they'll probably have to get like top 5 in order to get seeded into Raleigh. Pretty rough. Great summary, this definitely helped ^^ | ||
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Mr Mauve
United Kingdom386 Posts
On June 09 2011 04:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote: 12 players get through the open bracket. 4 go to pool play and have a chance to get seeded high into the championship bracket. The other 8 automatically start at round 1 of the championship bracket. To get top 16 from pool play, 6th in the group must win 3 bo3's, 5th must win 2 bo3's, 4th must win 1 bo3, and 3rd place is automatically in the top 16 (can lose first match after pool play and will be 13th-16th). So there's definitely some good opportunity for the open players to get top 16. Or from the other perspective, it's not super easy for a seeded player to get top 16, especially in a really hard group with good players coming from the open bracket too. The problem is the accumulation of rank points. If an open player just barely breaks into the top 16 at the 3rd or 4th or 5th event, he has pretty much no chance of getting a top 16 for next event. Most of the changing around happens in the first two events. Like if a person with no rank points goes to Anaheim, they'll probably have to get like top 5 in order to get seeded into Raleigh. Pretty rough. For fun, I I tried to put some bones on this by running a simulation of how things might pan out in Anaheim and Raleigh. TLDR: Getting a top 16 seed with your first trip might require a 1st-3rd finish in Anaheim. Only a win would do in Raleigh. A superb new seeded entrant from Korea (Bomber, say) who wins Anaheim would be seeded 10th for Raleigh. If his new-entrant buddies came 2nd-4th, the guy in 4th would not achieve a top 16 seed for Raleigh. If another, superber new entrant won Raleigh, he'd scrape 16th seed for Orlando. Assumptions: + Show Spoiler + 1. Absolutely everyone with MLG ranking points turns up to Raleigh (Note - this probably won't actually happen, and each established player who doesn't show up makes it slightly easier for a new entrant to snag a seed). 2. No-one else new enters the Open bracket - no Strelok, no White-Ra, no whoever. 3. I use the Elo rating from the TLPD International database to determine the order in which people finish, except for the 4 Korean invites to each tournament - I can put them wherever I like. At the time of writing, that's MC > MMA > Thorzain > IdrA > ... and so on. This is a bit harsh on newcomers, but hey. I allow for the fact that pool players can't finish below 28th. These are not perfect assumptions, but they are arbitrary (in the good sense that they allow one to make decisions) and they'll do. Now, imagine 4 Koreans are invited to Anaheim... and they're amazing! They take the top four places, and everyone cheers. Let's call them Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and Bomber (and the greatest of these is Bomber). Here's my finishing order: + Show Spoiler + 1. Bomber 1200 2. Jesus 1000 3. Mary 900 4. Joseph 800 5. MC 700 6. MMA 650 7. Thorzain 600 8. IdrA 550 9. Moon 490 10. LosirA 460 11. NaNiwa 430 12. Ret 400 13. July 340 14. KiWiKaKi 310 15. Sheth 280 16. MorroW 250 17. HuK 210 18. KawaiiRice 200 19. TT1 190 20. Sjow 180 21. SLush 140 22. SeleCT 130 23. Socke 120 24. mOoNan 110 25. HayprO 90 26. TLO 80 27. iNcontroL 70 27. Machine 70 Here would be the ranking points after Anaheim: + Show Spoiler + 1. NaNiwa 2280 2. IdrA 1950 3. MMA 1850 4. MC 1600 5. LosirA 1460 6. KiWiKaKi 1450 7. Ret 1340 8. SLush 1330 9. SeleCT 1210 10. Bomber 1200 11. Thorzain 1090 12. Moon 1040 13. Jesus 1000 13. iNcontroL 1000 15. Sjow 920 16. Mary 900 17. HayprO 860 18. TLO 840 19. Joseph 800 Poor old Joseph! If GOM send The Greatest Starcraft Player Of All Time (With A Brick Wall On His Head) to Raleigh, and he wins, he would scrape 16th place in the overall rankings by the skin of his infernal teeth, if I do the same calculation again. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph would comfortably secure their spots in the top 16. I haven't bothered with Orlando. | ||
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) who are not exactly "TOP tier" get a guaranteed top 24.
