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illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
June 08 2011 19:55 GMT
#221
hope they invite July in the next exchange, he certainly deserves it
you live and you learn
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
June 08 2011 21:12 GMT
#222
On June 09 2011 04:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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On June 09 2011 03:49 killerdog wrote:
as amazing as the system is at providing top quality games from day 1, and helping put the spotlight on the consistent players, it is a little hard to drop out of the top 16 unless you basically lose 5 bo3's in a row

it might be nice to allow 8-12 players in from the open brack sometimes, since there are definitely alot of pros who could play to the level of the top players, having to take massive routes through the open bracket while players like gretorp (sorry gretorp ) who are not exactly "TOP tier" get a guaranteed top 24.

12 players get through the open bracket. 4 go to pool play and have a chance to get seeded high into the championship bracket. The other 8 automatically start at round 1 of the championship bracket.

To get top 16 from pool play, 6th in the group must win 3 bo3's, 5th must win 2 bo3's, 4th must win 1 bo3, and 3rd place is automatically in the top 16 (can lose first match after pool play and will be 13th-16th). So there's definitely some good opportunity for the open players to get top 16. Or from the other perspective, it's not super easy for a seeded player to get top 16, especially in a really hard group with good players coming from the open bracket too. The problem is the accumulation of rank points. If an open player just barely breaks into the top 16 at the 3rd or 4th or 5th event, he has pretty much no chance of getting a top 16 for next event. Most of the changing around happens in the first two events. Like if a person with no rank points goes to Anaheim, they'll probably have to get like top 5 in order to get seeded into Raleigh. Pretty rough.

Great summary, this definitely helped ^^
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Mr Mauve
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom386 Posts
June 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#223
On June 09 2011 04:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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On June 09 2011 03:49 killerdog wrote:
as amazing as the system is at providing top quality games from day 1, and helping put the spotlight on the consistent players, it is a little hard to drop out of the top 16 unless you basically lose 5 bo3's in a row

it might be nice to allow 8-12 players in from the open brack sometimes, since there are definitely alot of pros who could play to the level of the top players, having to take massive routes through the open bracket while players like gretorp (sorry gretorp ) who are not exactly "TOP tier" get a guaranteed top 24.

12 players get through the open bracket. 4 go to pool play and have a chance to get seeded high into the championship bracket. The other 8 automatically start at round 1 of the championship bracket.

To get top 16 from pool play, 6th in the group must win 3 bo3's, 5th must win 2 bo3's, 4th must win 1 bo3, and 3rd place is automatically in the top 16 (can lose first match after pool play and will be 13th-16th). So there's definitely some good opportunity for the open players to get top 16. Or from the other perspective, it's not super easy for a seeded player to get top 16, especially in a really hard group with good players coming from the open bracket too. The problem is the accumulation of rank points. If an open player just barely breaks into the top 16 at the 3rd or 4th or 5th event, he has pretty much no chance of getting a top 16 for next event. Most of the changing around happens in the first two events. Like if a person with no rank points goes to Anaheim, they'll probably have to get like top 5 in order to get seeded into Raleigh. Pretty rough.


For fun, I I tried to put some bones on this by running a simulation of how things might pan out in Anaheim and Raleigh.

TLDR: Getting a top 16 seed with your first trip might require a 1st-3rd finish in Anaheim. Only a win would do in Raleigh.

A superb new seeded entrant from Korea (Bomber, say) who wins Anaheim would be seeded 10th for Raleigh. If his new-entrant buddies came 2nd-4th, the guy in 4th would not achieve a top 16 seed for Raleigh. If another, superber new entrant won Raleigh, he'd scrape 16th seed for Orlando.

Assumptions:

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1. Absolutely everyone with MLG ranking points turns up to Raleigh (Note - this probably won't actually happen, and each established player who doesn't show up makes it slightly easier for a new entrant to snag a seed).

2. No-one else new enters the Open bracket - no Strelok, no White-Ra, no whoever.

3. I use the Elo rating from the TLPD International database to determine the order in which people finish, except for the 4 Korean invites to each tournament - I can put them wherever I like. At the time of writing, that's MC > MMA > Thorzain > IdrA > ... and so on. This is a bit harsh on newcomers, but hey. I allow for the fact that pool players can't finish below 28th.


These are not perfect assumptions, but they are arbitrary (in the good sense that they allow one to make decisions) and they'll do.

Now, imagine 4 Koreans are invited to Anaheim... and they're amazing! They take the top four places, and everyone cheers. Let's call them Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and Bomber (and the greatest of these is Bomber).


Here's my finishing order:

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1. Bomber 1200
2. Jesus 1000
3. Mary 900
4. Joseph 800
5. MC 700
6. MMA 650
7. Thorzain 600
8. IdrA 550
9. Moon 490
10. LosirA 460
11. NaNiwa 430
12. Ret 400
13. July 340
14. KiWiKaKi 310
15. Sheth 280
16. MorroW 250
17. HuK 210
18. KawaiiRice 200
19. TT1 190
20. Sjow 180
21. SLush 140
22. SeleCT 130
23. Socke 120
24. mOoNan 110
25. HayprO 90
26. TLO 80
27. iNcontroL 70
27. Machine 70

Here would be the ranking points after Anaheim:

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1. NaNiwa 2280
2. IdrA 1950
3. MMA 1850
4. MC 1600
5. LosirA 1460
6. KiWiKaKi 1450
7. Ret 1340
8. SLush 1330
9. SeleCT 1210
10. Bomber 1200
11. Thorzain 1090
12. Moon 1040
13. Jesus 1000
13. iNcontroL 1000
15. Sjow 920
16. Mary 900
17. HayprO 860
18. TLO 840
19. Joseph 800

Poor old Joseph!

If GOM send The Greatest Starcraft Player Of All Time (With A Brick Wall On His Head) to Raleigh, and he wins, he would scrape 16th place in the overall rankings by the skin of his infernal teeth, if I do the same calculation again. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph would comfortably secure their spots in the top 16.

I haven't bothered with Orlando.
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