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On June 09 2011 02:21 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:09 Cel.erity wrote:On June 08 2011 03:54 coolcor wrote:
So Thorzain got 9th this event yet still is ranked 20th and might not be seeded next time. It seems kind of ridiculous he might have to go through the open bracket again how high would whitera need to place to get seeded in the next MLG? Is it even possible for a foreigner with no or few points to get seeded now unless they can beat the Koreans for the top places?(maybe even more than once?) It seems like sort of a ridiculous "snowball" system in which the seeded players have a better chance of getting a strong showing, thus getting more points and being seeded higher. I think they could alter the system by giving more weight to recent events (like, Columbus is worth 1.5x the points of Dallas. After Anaheim, Ana pts are 1.5x, Columbus is 1x, Dallas is .75x, etc.) This would make recent results more important than past results and give a better chance to newcomers. I think they're trying to reward players who show up and work hard for each event to make it deep into the MLG final event (rewarded by favorable seeding) but it is true it makes it very hard to break in, especially for someone deserving like thorzain 
Even worse, Moon who placed 8th (hence one place above Thorzain) can't make it into the pool, because Machine placed 15th twice and thus has more points than him.
Anyways, the rules are the same for everyone. If either Moon or Thorzain decides to show up once again and place decently high (like 15th or so), it should be sufficient to guarantee a seed into the next tournaments.
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i dont get why people say omg idra is in a group of death. Man if idra is truly a pro competitor give it in sc2 or a sport these kind of things drive athletes like myself to become better. When the odds are against you, you train more to get better. You are determined to destroy your opponents. If you are seeded into a weaker group then you probably won't practice nearly as hard which will screw you cause you will still have to play different opponents aside from ones in your group after group stages is over. Idra should be thankful that he got the group he has gotten. Maybe this time he'll try harder and wont gg out of won games
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On June 09 2011 02:45 Limenade wrote:
i dont get why people say omg idra is in a group of death. Man if idra is truly a pro competitor give it in sc2 or a sport these kind of things drive athletes like myself to become better. When the odds are against you, you train more to get better. You are determined to destroy your opponents. If you are seeded into a weaker group then you probably won't practice nearly as hard which will screw you cause you will still have to play different opponents aside from ones in your group after group stages is over. Idra should be thankful that he got the group he has gotten. Maybe this time he'll try harder and wont gg out of won games
Wtf lol. Any competitor would prefer a weaker group until the actual championship bracket.
You challenge yourself when money is on the line, not when you are trying to get a good seed.
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I think a mod should edit the OP to include a link to the liquipedia article. The OP's rankings are incorrect.
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On June 09 2011 02:47 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:45 Limenade wrote:
i dont get why people say omg idra is in a group of death. Man if idra is truly a pro competitor give it in sc2 or a sport these kind of things drive athletes like myself to become better. When the odds are against you, you train more to get better. You are determined to destroy your opponents. If you are seeded into a weaker group then you probably won't practice nearly as hard which will screw you cause you will still have to play different opponents aside from ones in your group after group stages is over. Idra should be thankful that he got the group he has gotten. Maybe this time he'll try harder and wont gg out of won games Wtf lol. Any competitor would prefer a weaker group until the actual championship bracket. You challenge yourself when money is on the line, not when you are trying to get a good seed.
What? How ISNT money on the line, especially with MLG's extended series? Your post doesnt make any sense in arguing against Limenades point.
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On June 09 2011 03:16 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:47 Mailing wrote:On June 09 2011 02:45 Limenade wrote:
i dont get why people say omg idra is in a group of death. Man if idra is truly a pro competitor give it in sc2 or a sport these kind of things drive athletes like myself to become better. When the odds are against you, you train more to get better. You are determined to destroy your opponents. If you are seeded into a weaker group then you probably won't practice nearly as hard which will screw you cause you will still have to play different opponents aside from ones in your group after group stages is over. Idra should be thankful that he got the group he has gotten. Maybe this time he'll try harder and wont gg out of won games Wtf lol. Any competitor would prefer a weaker group until the actual championship bracket. You challenge yourself when money is on the line, not when you are trying to get a good seed. What? How ISNT money on the line, especially with MLG's extended series? Your post doesnt make any sense in arguing against Limenades point.
You always want to play the stronger opponents last.
Do you think MC rather have played Alicia in the Ro64 of the GSL or played San, or maybe TheWind?
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Hmm if they bring in completely new Koreans the next time I'm afraid not all of the players will return.
Also I expect a LOT of Koreans to make the trip for the National Championship. That Open tournament could get really ugly.
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On June 09 2011 03:35 Horse...falcon wrote:
Hmm if they bring in completely new Koreans the next time I'm afraid not all of the players will return.
Also I expect a LOT of Koreans to make the trip for the National Championship. That Open tournament could get really ugly.
you have to have certain rankins and I don't think that many koreans will be able to play in it.
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On June 09 2011 03:14 kNightLite wrote:
I think a mod should edit the OP to include a link to the liquipedia article. The OP's rankings are incorrect.
You mean that OP would make an OP based on incorrect facts ? Impossible ! :D
Sorry about that, had to do it :p
Thorzain will likely not be seeded again if he place around the same in next MLG with the global inflation of points. I really want to see more of him, going 4-2 against MC + beating idra is pretty good. The kid is not a fluke.
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On June 09 2011 02:45 Limenade wrote:
i dont get why people say omg idra is in a group of death. Man if idra is truly a pro competitor give it in sc2 or a sport these kind of things drive athletes like myself to become better. When the odds are against you, you train more to get better. You are determined to destroy your opponents. If you are seeded into a weaker group then you probably won't practice nearly as hard which will screw you cause you will still have to play different opponents aside from ones in your group after group stages is over. Idra should be thankful that he got the group he has gotten. Maybe this time he'll try harder and wont gg out of won games
Don't be an idiot.
Whether someone is motivated by competition or not has nothing to do with something being a group of death. Which is why the hardest group of any competition is given the name.
Anti-fans on the net will take any chance they get to try and shit on someone.
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as amazing as the system is at providing top quality games from day 1, and helping put the spotlight on the consistent players, it is a little hard to drop out of the top 16 unless you basically lose 5 bo3's in a row 
it might be nice to allow 8-12 players in from the open brack sometimes, since there are definitely alot of pros who could play to the level of the top players, having to take massive routes through the open bracket while players like gretorp (sorry gretorp ) who are not exactly "TOP tier" get a guaranteed top 24.
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I was shocked to see Tyler actually did worse (rank wise) this MLG
He played so much better overall imo
Sucks me might be in the open bracket
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On June 09 2011 03:49 killerdog wrote:as amazing as the system is at providing top quality games from day 1, and helping put the spotlight on the consistent players, it is a little hard to drop out of the top 16 unless you basically lose 5 bo3's in a row it might be nice to allow 8-12 players in from the open brack sometimes, since there are definitely alot of pros who could play to the level of the top players, having to take massive routes through the open bracket while players like gretorp (sorry gretorp ) who are not exactly "TOP tier" get a guaranteed top 24.
On the other hand, creating storylines/rivalry/fan favourites from a solid and continous playerpool is worth alot to MLG and the industry as a whole.
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On June 09 2011 03:49 killerdog wrote:as amazing as the system is at providing top quality games from day 1, and helping put the spotlight on the consistent players, it is a little hard to drop out of the top 16 unless you basically lose 5 bo3's in a row it might be nice to allow 8-12 players in from the open brack sometimes, since there are definitely alot of pros who could play to the level of the top players, having to take massive routes through the open bracket while players like gretorp (sorry gretorp ) who are not exactly "TOP tier" get a guaranteed top 24.
12 players get through the open bracket. 4 go to pool play and have a chance to get seeded high into the championship bracket. The other 8 automatically start at round 1 of the championship bracket.
To get top 16 from pool play, 6th in the group must win 3 bo3's, 5th must win 2 bo3's, 4th must win 1 bo3, and 3rd place is automatically in the top 16 (can lose first match after pool play and will be 13th-16th). So there's definitely some good opportunity for the open players to get top 16. Or from the other perspective, it's not super easy for a seeded player to get top 16, especially in a really hard group with good players coming from the open bracket too. The problem is the accumulation of rank points. If an open player just barely breaks into the top 16 at the 3rd or 4th or 5th event, he has pretty much no chance of getting a top 16 for next event. Most of the changing around happens in the first two events. Like if a person with no rank points goes to Anaheim, they'll probably have to get like top 5 in order to get seeded into Raleigh. Pretty rough.
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Solution to GSL/MLG crossover problems:
Foreign players win GSL.
At that point we can drop the foregin/Korean distinctions and just have a straight-up exchange of placing players.
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On June 09 2011 04:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Like if a person with no rank points goes to Anaheim, they'll probably have to get like top 5 in order to get seeded into Raleigh. Pretty rough.
While true, anyone finishing in the top 16 or so is good enough to roll over almost everyone in the open bracket (in my opinion)
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These are just the standings from Columbus, which is not the point of this thread at all.
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Jesus, hasn't Naniwa only participated in two MLG? Winning from the open bracket sure racks up the points!
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everybody only participated in only 2 MLG so far this season. points reset after every season of course.
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