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RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
June 07 2011 15:03 GMT
#121
Select at number 6 yeah! Figured after not doing so well he'd be lower than that, either way I'm always a fan of him hes so fun to watch.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 07 2011 15:06 GMT
#122
On June 07 2011 18:08 Primadog wrote:
I have been looking at the MLG format until my head hurt and still can't figure out at what point are players guaranteed a spot in the Providence group stage. Maybe someone smarter than yours truly can it figure out.

It depends on who show up. If the top 16 don't show up all but 17-32 do, then those will be the 16 players in pool. the only thing that is certain is if anyone in the top 16 show up, they will be seeded. Anyone at 17th or below may or may not be seeded. For example I think Gretorp was 17th or 18th before this MLG, but because Socke/someone else didn't show up he got pool play again.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 07 2011 15:07 GMT
#123
I thought that the top 16 from Columbus got seeded for Anaheim and the points only mattered for the national championship.

"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 07 2011 15:07 GMT
#124
Whoa, Richman with the last slot, nice O:
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
June 07 2011 15:18 GMT
#125
On June 07 2011 22:42 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 21:50 Kraznaya wrote:
On June 07 2011 21:45 GTR wrote:
On June 07 2011 18:01 Xeris wrote:
From what I understand, 4 new Koreans will be invited each time. The previous Koreans (I.E. MC, MMA, Losira, Moon, July) won't have paid trips, which means if they want to compete again they will need to pay their own way. A Korean outside the Top 16 has little/no incentive to do this (July).

Unknown whether other Koreans will deem it worthwhile to send their players to compete for $14,000. I'd imagine MC and MMA would return (random guess).



Won't the Korean's have the same travel stipend that the other top 16 players have?


$100 or $200 not nearly enough to cover transpacific roundtrip flight :/


MMA, Losira, and MC would most likely come back since they all placed top 3 at Columbus and earned 9k$.

July would need to convince sponsors to let him go.


MLG is almost entirely not worth it for Korean players if they don't get sent. If you think of plane ticket+hotel+food+long trip+jetlag you're looking at much too much cost to battle it out in a tournament where the top prize is 5k. MC does it because he apparently loves interacting with foreigners and has made his money worth every time, but it's just not the same for most Koreans.

I wish MLG got more money from their sponsors or more sponsors so the prize pool could be bigger, making it worth it for more people to come, but I'm sure that's really difficult and they're doing all they can. It's just kind of a sad prize pool for the effort put into each event and the great results that said effort yields. I don't think it's even worth it for Europeans to come over for MLG.

With that said, back to topic. I hope GSL keeps sending players and I hope they get the points that the previous players earned because having to play through the open bracket at MLG is brutal.
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RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
June 07 2011 15:27 GMT
#126
They should change the way they invite Koreans.

Just like GSL give one code S stpo and 3 code A, MLG should place one Korean into Pool Play (maybe two) and the others should be seeded (highly) into the open bracket.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 15:32:00
June 07 2011 15:31 GMT
#127
i think a lot of you guys aren't thinking long term

imagine you are MC

you can spend $10k (and that's probably a high end estimate, don't really know how much a flight from korea to US and back is) flying out to every MLG, continue to increase your seed, and stand to have a very, very good chance at clinching that $50k prize at the end of the rainbow

you have to think of it as a long term business investment, because the regular season events prize pools are small, but the seeding for the championships has a lot of value in and of itself

what would honestly be pretty amusing is if all the european and korean powerhouses who haven't shown up to mlg yet all decide to fly out for the championships resulting in the most insane open bracket of all time

aaaaa
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
June 07 2011 15:31 GMT
#128
Xeris, if you know the results of any of the consolation matches you should update the liquipedia ranking page:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings

Also, it appears you forgot some players that finished well at Dallas and either didn't compete at Columbus or didn't finish well there.
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
June 07 2011 15:36 GMT
#129
prize pool is too small. MC,Losira,MMA probly will not come unless they get invites.
You know what I'm talking about
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
June 07 2011 15:42 GMT
#130
On June 08 2011 00:27 RageBot wrote:
They should change the way they invite Koreans.

Just like GSL give one code S stpo and 3 code A, MLG should place one Korean into Pool Play (maybe two) and the others should be seeded (highly) into the open bracket.


A code S slot is way more prestigious then an MLG pool spot, just as a code A spot is way more prestigious then an open bracket spot.

It would be utterly stupid to ditch the likes of MC, MMA, Losira in the open bracket for day and having them tear through all the lower level players off camera.
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
June 07 2011 15:48 GMT
#131
CSN is working with www.esportranks.com to compile actual and real rankings based on tournament finishes in NA. We may need to exclude the Koreans from the list if they only show up for 1 MLG event a year. The MLG format is way too confusing and has major flaws to take as a serious rankings system. A points system in which players are rewarded points for their finish based on the number of events they attend is extremely flawed and does not reward players for how well they do in the events they actually attend.

I was very impressed with how many players finished in this last event.. it would be great to see a real rankings system, using other event results as well. Obviously for CSN.. we would have loved to have seen July go further. Considering the Koreans were the only one to knock out koreans.. it was bound to happen.

Just some interesting numbers to consider..

July played 12 MATCHES and lost 2 and finished with $0
Idra played 16 MAPS and lost 3 matches and finished with $1.4K

cheers..
Still Naked!
2par
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway129 Posts
June 07 2011 15:56 GMT
#132
MLG Columbus StarCraft 2 Top 32;

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-columbus-starcraft-2-top-32
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
June 07 2011 15:57 GMT
#133
Everyone agree that the format is stupid. I trust MLG will change it in time, until that happens we gonna have to endure drewbies,moonans and incontrols in pool play over people who actually had a good showing this weekend. Atleast gretorp is 100% out of pool play in anaheim.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 15:59:50
June 07 2011 15:59 GMT
#134
On June 08 2011 00:56 2par wrote:
MLG Columbus StarCraft 2 Top 32;

http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-columbus-starcraft-2-top-32

interesting. thorzain must have beat july, in order to have gotten 9th.
aaaaa
entlassen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States139 Posts
June 07 2011 16:06 GMT
#135
On June 07 2011 23:52 ReaperX wrote:
Sounds like we have a strong Top 16. Sad to see well-known faces like Gretorp and Tyler go but life isn't always fair. Guess they'll have a good run at the open brackets anyways, so GL to them at annalheim. I'm happy that ThorZaIN didn't fail to impress though and the Koreans proved what they worth.


Gretorp and Tyler out of the top 16 is actually an indication that life IS fair LOL. If you suck for that many MLGs in a row, you don't deserve to be at the top. And sadly enough, I don't forsee either of them making out of the Open Brackets alive at Anaheim or beyond unless they get a massive boost in motivation & performance.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 07 2011 16:06 GMT
#136
On June 08 2011 00:48 csn_JohnClark wrote:
CSN is working with www.esportranks.com to compile actual and real rankings based on tournament finishes in NA. We may need to exclude the Koreans from the list if they only show up for 1 MLG event a year. The MLG format is way too confusing and has major flaws to take as a serious rankings system. A points system in which players are rewarded points for their finish based on the number of events they attend is extremely flawed and does not reward players for how well they do in the events they actually attend.

I was very impressed with how many players finished in this last event.. it would be great to see a real rankings system, using other event results as well. Obviously for CSN.. we would have loved to have seen July go further. Considering the Koreans were the only one to knock out koreans.. it was bound to happen.

Just some interesting numbers to consider..

July played 12 MATCHES and lost 2 and finished with $0
Idra played 16 MAPS and lost 3 matches and finished with $1.4K

cheers..


I agree the ranking system and format is flawed.

The logic behind the point system is to add incentive for all players not to miss one event or else they get fucked. That's their logic anyway.

As for the prize pool. Sundance said he's working on it. Next season the prize money will certainly double.
2par
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway129 Posts
June 07 2011 16:21 GMT
#137
Updated the wiki, and Moon has dropped from 16th to 17th. Machine moves up from 18th to 16th.
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 16:31:55
June 07 2011 16:27 GMT
#138
edit: i misread the OP
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 16:38:51
June 07 2011 16:32 GMT
#139
On June 08 2011 01:27 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Maybe im missing something, but how is vibe in and tyler out? tyler has gotten farther in both MLG's and was seeded to begin with.


I thought I had an answer for this but I don't, seems off to me too.

Edit - NM, Vibe isn't in, the OP just said he is moving up. Tyler is out of the top 16 but still ahead of Vibe.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Aikin
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 16:38:46
June 07 2011 16:35 GMT
#140
On June 07 2011 19:17 zocktol wrote:
Socke still in Top 16, we might see him again then :D


I even think its likely. The main reason he didn´t went to columbus was probably the EPS finals, he already said before that his sponsors care alot more about him doing well in the EPS and I mean he was in the finals.

I´m curious tough how many koreans will be invited to the next Mlg. Are they just inviting the 4 players with the most GLS points or are they first asking if any of the others in pool are coming back?

Edit:
MLG is almost entirely not worth it for Korean players if they don't get sent. If you think of plane ticket+hotel+food+long trip+jetlag you're looking at much too much cost to battle it out in a tournament where the top prize is 5k. MC does it because he apparently loves interacting with foreigners and has made his money worth every time, but it's just not the same for most Koreans.


Well you have to consider that they also earn points for the national championship which has a much bigger prize pool. The first place is about as much as winning a Code S season.
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