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On June 07 2011 21:10 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 19:30 Spicy Pepper wrote:On June 07 2011 19:28 Kraznaya wrote:On June 07 2011 19:26 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Nestea
July
Losira
DRG
Moon
MVP
MKP
MMA
SC
Nada
Boxer
MC
Alicia
San
Squirtle
Ace
How much would this suck to see a live event with these 16 players?
can't tell if serious :/ Apparently some people are. 1. It's far-fetched due to scheduling conflicts and the fact their teams would have to fly them out. 2. How can you say it would suck when the entertainment value of the games would far exceed that of anything we've seen thus far? 3. I tell those people to get a grip and stop being poor sports. 2 years from now, there's a possibility that these guys will compete in fewer international tournaments based on the fact that OGN/MBC might get deals with Blizzard to start their own leagues and the Pro League will continue to get longer. They simply won't have time for us, so ENJOY it while it lasts and stop being d-bags about it.
/sarcasm
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I actually have high hopes that Moon will come back on his own costs =), and I think his team would encourage it as well.
Yeah I'm a Moon-fan ;d, and I don't think he deserves the ''he's bad'' shit that he's getting. Hope he will show up @ Anaheim.
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On June 07 2011 21:38 Fyzar wrote:
I actually have high hopes that Moon will come back on his own costs =), and I think his team would encourage it as well.
Yeah I'm a Moon-fan ;d, and I don't think he deserves the ''he's bad'' shit that he's getting. Hope he will show up @ Anaheim.
He stomped foreigners, he can't be that bad :D He's done well at foreign tournaments and he was great in WC3, I don't know why people think he's so bad. The banelings against BitbyBit? What IdrA says? I dunno. I'd like to see him back as well.
Machine falling out and iNcontroL staying in doesn't seem fair.
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On June 07 2011 21:40 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 21:38 Fyzar wrote:
I actually have high hopes that Moon will come back on his own costs =), and I think his team would encourage it as well.
Yeah I'm a Moon-fan ;d, and I don't think he deserves the ''he's bad'' shit that he's getting. Hope he will show up @ Anaheim. He stomped foreigners, he can't be that bad :D He's done well at foreign tournaments and he was great in WC3, I don't know why people think he's so bad. The banelings against BitbyBit? What IdrA says? I dunno. I'd like to see him back as well. Machine falling out and iNcontroL staying in doesn't seem fair.
Yeah exactly, I never got why everyone's like ''he's bad'', yes his baneling bombs were bad versut BitbyBit, but come on, it's BBB who cares what you do. He's been making baneling bombs work lately, and his play is very creative and I like it =].
Dunno, I think it's kinda sad for Machine, he was always cool and MLG is basically all I see from him, also, no more Machine v iNc  .
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On June 07 2011 18:01 Xeris wrote:
From what I understand, 4 new Koreans will be invited each time. The previous Koreans (I.E. MC, MMA, Losira, Moon, July) won't have paid trips, which means if they want to compete again they will need to pay their own way. A Korean outside the Top 16 has little/no incentive to do this (July).
Unknown whether other Koreans will deem it worthwhile to send their players to compete for $14,000. I'd imagine MC and MMA would return (random guess).
Won't the Korean's have the same travel stipend that the other top 16 players have?
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On June 07 2011 21:45 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 18:01 Xeris wrote:
From what I understand, 4 new Koreans will be invited each time. The previous Koreans (I.E. MC, MMA, Losira, Moon, July) won't have paid trips, which means if they want to compete again they will need to pay their own way. A Korean outside the Top 16 has little/no incentive to do this (July).
Unknown whether other Koreans will deem it worthwhile to send their players to compete for $14,000. I'd imagine MC and MMA would return (random guess).
Won't the Korean's have the same travel stipend that the other top 16 players have?
$100 or $200 not nearly enough to cover transpacific roundtrip flight :/
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Thanks for the statistics.
Imagine this scenario :
mc, mma, moon and losira are occupied or don't get the flights paid or what ever that'd mean that maschine, sheth, fenix and tyler were going into pool play. All hope isn't gone...
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GOM still hasn't released their selection process, right ? (about how they'll select the 4 MLG korean players)
This time it was arbitrary, I doubt it will be arbitrary again (unless they do a rotation on each time, but I doubt it)
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From bonus points in the consolation rounds, I believe Sheth is in the top 16. I am not sure on the rest of the story.
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On June 07 2011 19:26 Spicy Pepper wrote:
So I guess people are not looking forward to the eventual top 16 of MLG, which will be something like the following.
Nestea
July
Losira
DRG
Moon
MVP
MKP
MMA
SC
Nada
Boxer
MC
Alicia
San
Squirtle
Ace
How much would this suck to see a live event with these 16 players?
Probably need to invite 4 non-Koreans like Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain.
So is this the worst case scenario for MLG?
I don't think it's a worst case scenario for MLG as it's likely to have a huge viewership.
Edit:Didn't belong in this thread.
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On June 07 2011 20:27 zocktol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 19:26 Spicy Pepper wrote:
So I guess people are not looking forward to the eventual top 16 of MLG, which will be something like the following.
Nestea
July
Losira
DRG
Moon
MVP
MKP
MMA
SC
Nada
Boxer
MC
Alicia
San
Squirtle
Ace
How much would this suck to see a live event with these 16 players?
Probably need to invite 4 non-Koreans like Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain.
So is this the worst case scenario for MLG? Its funny cause if the Top 16 looks like that it will look like that for a reason. Not to be mean but regular Olympics draw way more viewers than Special-Olympics. So if non-Korean Pros will not keep up with Koreans i will be happily looking forward to a Top 16 like that. Worst case for MLG will be that they only allow 4 Koreans in the whole tournament to protect the non Korean players. Would only lead to a stagnation in skill.
It's funny you used the Olympics example seeing that there's a stringent contingent of players each COUNTRY can send. You don't see all american and jamaican runners in the 100m sprint competition in Olympics even though skillwise that should be the case.
People don't want to see an all-korean MLG because they can relate more to foreign pros. You see them on stuff like SotG etc. whereas you only get translated interviews with koreans. Also there's GSL that is basically all-korean.
Also, it would obviously be bad marketing for MLG's sponsors to mostly have koreans attending their events who don't chew stride gum and drink Dr. Pepper 
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MLG said that 4 Koreans get invites which means everything is paid for this 4 players. If all the other Koreans (so in this current case MMA, Losira, MC and Moon) want to participate in the next MLG their team will have to pay for all their costs. And I don't know if any of this 4 will go under this circumstances (2 flights, hotel, food for the days isnt that cheap). So I don't know where all this panic comes about only Koreans in the top 16..
Don't forget the 4 korean invites won $10,400 out of a $14,000 prize pool. That means even if they had all paid their own way, even without any sponsor/team money, 3 out of the 4 of them would have made a profit on the trip after travel costs (not to mention public exposure is good for the player as well in securing future sponsors).
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On June 07 2011 21:50 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 21:45 GTR wrote:On June 07 2011 18:01 Xeris wrote:
From what I understand, 4 new Koreans will be invited each time. The previous Koreans (I.E. MC, MMA, Losira, Moon, July) won't have paid trips, which means if they want to compete again they will need to pay their own way. A Korean outside the Top 16 has little/no incentive to do this (July).
Unknown whether other Koreans will deem it worthwhile to send their players to compete for $14,000. I'd imagine MC and MMA would return (random guess).
Won't the Korean's have the same travel stipend that the other top 16 players have? $100 or $200 not nearly enough to cover transpacific roundtrip flight :/
MMA, Losira, and MC would most likely come back since they all placed top 3 at Columbus and earned 9k$.
July would need to convince sponsors to let him go.
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I feel like it must be worth it for some foreigner companies to sponsor the most popular koreans like Nestea, Boxer, MVP etc to international events, their marketing potential is really big.
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Oh man, Drewbie in top 16 seeds, the top 16 looks definitely looks like it could give some awesome matches, and the overall seeds are looking pretty good.
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I'm not on there? :o
I think I'm in the 34 spot, I've got twelve points.
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I don't see why Korean's already competed wouldn't come back. Especially to maintain eligibility for the MLG final/championship whatever thingy at the end. It's going to be up to the team sponsors paying, but I think their sponsors are far better equiped and willing to do that kind of thing. I mean they are already paying for housing, food, etcetera. Sending someone to a tournament isn't that big a deal.
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Sounds like we have a strong Top 16. Sad to see well-known faces like Gretorp and Tyler go but life isn't always fair. Guess they'll have a good run at the open brackets anyways, so GL to them at annalheim. I'm happy that ThorZaIN didn't fail to impress though and the Koreans proved what they worth.
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On June 07 2011 21:38 Fyzar wrote:
I actually have high hopes that Moon will come back on his own costs =), and I think his team would encourage it as well.
Yeah I'm a Moon-fan ;d, and I don't think he deserves the ''he's bad'' shit that he's getting. Hope he will show up @ Anaheim.
MooN's baneling bombs are too entertaining not to enjoy. Both when they fail and succeed 
Moon had his own style in WC3 and he's creating his own style in SC2 too but it seems a bit harder to be successful with in SC2.
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On June 07 2011 22:25 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 20:27 zocktol wrote:On June 07 2011 19:26 Spicy Pepper wrote:
So I guess people are not looking forward to the eventual top 16 of MLG, which will be something like the following.
Nestea
July
Losira
DRG
Moon
MVP
MKP
MMA
SC
Nada
Boxer
MC
Alicia
San
Squirtle
Ace
How much would this suck to see a live event with these 16 players?
Probably need to invite 4 non-Koreans like Idra, Huk, Naniwa and Thorzain.
So is this the worst case scenario for MLG? Its funny cause if the Top 16 looks like that it will look like that for a reason. Not to be mean but regular Olympics draw way more viewers than Special-Olympics. So if non-Korean Pros will not keep up with Koreans i will be happily looking forward to a Top 16 like that. Worst case for MLG will be that they only allow 4 Koreans in the whole tournament to protect the non Korean players. Would only lead to a stagnation in skill. It's funny you used the Olympics example seeing that there's a stringent contingent of players each COUNTRY can send. You don't see all american and jamaican runners in the 100m sprint competition in Olympics even though skillwise that should be the case. People don't want to see an all-korean MLG because they can relate more to foreign pros. You see them on stuff like SotG etc. whereas you only get translated interviews with koreans. Also there's GSL that is basically all-korean. Also, it would obviously be bad marketing for MLG's sponsors to mostly have koreans attending their events who don't chew stride gum and drink Dr. Pepper
The Olympics are basically a countries best competing for their country, it's a nationality based tournament for your nation, each nation sends their best to compete with the best of others, it was a bad example on his part, put he was focussing more on the side of people being more interested in seeing more skilled players.
MLG, GSL and all these non-restrictive tournaments are individual tournaments, people are representing themselves and perhaps, you could say... their team. It's about deciding who the best players are, not the best countries.
I'd be fine with the top 16 being all korean, because that would mean that all those korean players deserve to be there. I really want foreign players to succeed, but I want them to do it on their own merit, playing against the best, I don't want them to succeed because they're playing against each other like in Brood War. Excluding or limiting a single nation from competition would be entirely against the point of individual competitive sports on my opinion.
For online tournaments, there are logistical reasons to make it NA/EU only so there is some understanding there, but for a LAN tournament, I see no reason why any player that can compete, shouldn't be able to compete.
As for them being invited and placed directly into pool play, I think it would make sense to seed them into the open bracket so they don't run into each other for the sake of fairness, but honestly looking at the results every single Korean player justified their placement into pool play with their performance and July made his open bracket run with ease so it would largely be a formality for most of these players.
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