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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:26 Spicy Pepper wrote: Nestea July Losira DRG Moon MVP MKP MMA SC Nada Boxer MC Alicia San Squirtle Ace How much would this suck to see a live event with these 16 players? can't tell if serious :/ | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:22 rycho wrote: what? why would people not like it because the players are korean? In the end, it's not exactly fair to the other players who have earned their spot in pool play. People are already getting knocked out of pool play by the Koreans who were invited and who didn't earn their spot in the first place. If they decide to return along with new invites, more and more people who have actually worked hard to earn their spot could be knocked down to the open bracket whereas if the invites didn't exist they would still have their spot. | ||
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Holy.BR
Brazil67 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
Apparently some people are. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
I hope July can come back tho. It's far more exiting to see koreans fight for it. Collombus feel too easy for seeded koreans imo.. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
July, FoxeR, Nestea, BoxeR | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:22 rycho wrote: what? why would people not like it because the players are korean? Basically. If I would want to watch Koreans I can always watch GSL. No need for GSL in USA, too. My interest in MLG will be very low if there are only or mostly Koreans. Plus that would hurt the foreign scene a lot. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:34 Ragoo wrote: Basically. If I would want to watch Koreans I can always watch GSL. No need for GSL in USA, too. My interest in MLG will be very low if there are only or mostly Koreans. Plus that would hurt the foreign scene a lot. Yes, god forbid if the foreign scene's hosted skill based competitions had some of the best players at said competition. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On June 07 2011 18:08 Baituri wrote: 16 people are seeded. 4 koreans are invited. 4 people from the open bracket. Sounds kinda wrong if there are ALWAYS 4 (different) Koreans invited AND they get MLG points to be seeded. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:32 Noocta wrote: Koreans invite are nice, but honestly 4 more koreans would make this so hard for foreigners. :/ I hope July can come back tho. It's far more exiting to see koreans fight for it. Collombus feel too easy for seeded koreans imo.. this attitude of not inviting koreans to tourneys is why americans (and some europeans) just dont get it that they suck. if you only have to play bad people how can you ever hope to improve? if sc2 continues to get bigger and bigger and runs for 10 more years like broodwar, its gonna be alot more important to be a good player than taking a few 'cheesy' wins by not inviting people you are scared of. id love to see slayers fly mma out for more mlgs since hes straight into pools now | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
Lets say that IM has a one slot in exchange program for next MLG. They send Nestea and he wins. He is already code S so the code S spot goes to 2nd player that might be from other korean clan. So in the best team intrest from next MLG on the invites would be mostly code A people or other good players that failed to get into code A/S (still possibly better than most of NA/EU players). Oh and about group B. If IM and oGs decide to fork the money to send Losira na MC again i would say that Idra is out of top 16 of MLG ^^ | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
I for one think that the players are going to find the money from their teams to make it back. Do you really see it so hard to get a few sponsors together to pay for these trips for Koreans when you are basically guaranteed three days worth of eyeballs from tens of thousands of nerds. I know Korean plane tickets are expensive, but it is worth it for players of this skill level. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:43 Frankon wrote: I think you guys are reading the MLG exchange program wrong. At least from the Korean point of view. Think about. For Koreans the biggest reward from next MLG will be a free code S spot. So Korean teams will send their Code A players (who didnt make it into up down) or ex Code S players who failed that season or even more their code B players (to get them into GSL the easy way). Teams arent interested in sending MVP, Nestea, MC for next MLG as part of exchange program. Lets say that IM has a one slot in exchange program for next MLG. They send Nestea and he wins. He is already code S so the code S spot goes to 2nd player that might be from other korean clan. So in the best team intrest from next MLG on the invites would be mostly code A people or other good players that failed to get into code A/S (still possibly better than most of NA/EU players). Oh and about group B. If IM and oGs decide to fork the money to send Losira na MC again i would say that Idra is out of top 16 of MLG ^^ I think you're underestimating the value of getting international exposure, marketing, and fanbase for their players. | ||
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Snoyarc
United States101 Posts
On June 07 2011 18:54 Full.tilt wrote: Not really impressed with this system, far too forgiving on people who get seeded and fail to perform well in the previous tournament compared to people who come through the open brackets playing and winning many more games. They set this system up back in like 08 or 09 for halo 3, to try and keep halo 2 pros, pros in halo 3 so they could market them better and get better sponsors like hot pockets stride Dr Pepper etc. For halo it basically became impossible to get pro unless you and your team went to every event(which is very expensive to get 4 people to a event with limited/no sponsors) in the season and got top 8 every event which is almost impossible. Before if you were a top 16 seed, you were Guaranteed Top 32, Now you are Guaranteed top 24, and have points roll over from last season. | ||
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TooN
1046 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:48 Kraznaya wrote: I think you're underestimating the value of getting international exposure, marketing, and fanbase for their players. Of course most of Korean's team sponsors are international companies? Most of sponors are either koreans or interested in getting more exposure in that part of the world. This is also why for the teams it would be more beneficial to get new players into GSL by going through the easy MLG route. PS. Look how many koreans teams applied for western events. oGs, ST, Slayers and IM only. Now it changes a bit. But still Korea is the no1 market for those team and their sponsors. PS. I actually work for a small sport team (Rugby team to be exact) so i know a bit how important are the sponsors and what they want... Edit. PS2. Socke.... His sponsors told him he has to play in the EPS leugue finals and couldnt go for MLG. Another proof that sponsors are more interested in their targeted area (in this case Germany) | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:26 Spicy Pepper wrote: Nestea July Losira DRG Moon MVP MKP MMA SC Nada Boxer MC Alicia San Squirtle Ace How much would this suck to see a live event with these 16 players? I love to see every player on that list, however not at the same time in MLG. I already subscribe to GSL and get to watch them there. MLG had a really nice mix of players from different countries and I hope that MLG always will have the healthy mix. It is actually the only "global" lan tournament where we can all see NA/EU/SEA/Korea duke it out which is awesome. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:29 Devolved wrote: In the end, it's not exactly fair to the other players who have earned their spot in pool play. People are already getting knocked out of pool play by the Koreans who were invited and who didn't earn their spot in the first place. If they decide to return along with new invites, more and more people who have actually worked hard to earn their spot could be knocked down to the open bracket whereas if the invites didn't exist they would still have their spot. Would you rather have Korean players going to MLG and just slaughtering their way through the open brackets virtually crushing every western player there never ever giving anyone a shot on the big tournament? Julys 4 games were about 25 minutes. Was that fun for his opponents? Getting absolutely slaughtered. I hope MLG can grow in size, have more groups/bigger groups, maybe extend the tournament to more days i dont know. But the open brackets shouldn't have top Korean players. That's not fun for amateur gamers at home going "maybe I can practice much and have a shot at the main tournament. Oh wait, I'm scheduled to play Bomber in first round...gg" | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On June 07 2011 19:20 lim1017 wrote: so if the 4 koreans dont come next MLG Tyler/THorzain will be tied for 16th seed. how would they work that out probably thorzain since he is the better player | ||
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