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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On June 06 2011 15:08 Irave wrote: Yeah they must have thought MMA typed the gg, and then it became a oh wait.... I thought Idra did a preemptive GG. Then the shocking truth hit me like a ton of bricks. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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ilmman
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
Therefore, when he sees the mutas and realises his gold about to be discovered, he *deliberately* kills it and starts rebuilding it. MMA knows that IdrA will scout the command centre building and assume it's a 4th, when in fact it's a 3rd. He also empties his main army of marines and puts them into drops, implying he has these units to spare. This changes IdrA's entire idea of where he is in the matchup, which was enough to tip him past the 'gg' point. It was a risky all-in strategy by MMA (because he didn't know how much of the rest of the map IdrA had scouted), and would not have worked against any other player. MMA then finishes him off with a hadouken. | ||
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WillyReturnStroke
United States73 Posts
On June 06 2011 13:29 GenesisX wrote: I think IdrA is good enough to know if hes winning or losing. Not always, see: vs HuK | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On June 06 2011 13:30 zhurai wrote: saw gold CC being (re)built, didn't scout that that was the 3rd, thought that it was the 4th, thought he was wayyyyy behind with no forces, gg's out. Yeah, MC was way more BM o.O Honestly when MC said "idra are you angry" i dont think it was because he was trying to BM, i think he was really surprised that idra was just giving him games and playing kind of "angry" rushing him every game and then leaving right away, roach ling pressure isnt supposed to be all in you can transition out of it one of the games he even managed to kill quite a few probes one of the games and still left. When min was asked about the roach ling pressure build he said that its a pressure build and it isnt even really meant to kill the nexus just for pressure and then transition out of it something along those lines, of course if your opponent isnt prepared you can defenetly win with it as well. In contrast when we saw losira do something similair against MC he would use it for pressure then drop a third, it honestly seemed like idra was angry by the way he was playing and then giving up so fast. | ||
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LeopoldStotch
United States158 Posts
On June 06 2011 15:18 ilmman wrote: People make mistakes all the time and idra is well known for pre-emptive leaving games early even in brood war when he accidently cancelled his CC.. Even MMA made a mistake of killing his own CC.. so it kind of evens out fairly No really. Killing your own command center just puts you behind, leaving a game where you are clearly ahead denies you a better salary. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On June 06 2011 15:18 ilmman wrote: People make mistakes all the time and idra is well known for pre-emptive leaving games early even in brood war when he accidently cancelled his CC.. Even MMA made a mistake of killing his own CC.. so it kind of evens out fairly The difference is MMA didnt leave the game after he killed his own CC, and then he went on to win the tournament and 5000 bucks | ||
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FrostFire626
United States79 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Ricepicker
Sweden3 Posts
On June 06 2011 14:57 Z3kk wrote: Sorry. Which page was it? I skimmed through all 6 pages, and didn't see it. Whoops! Just ctrl+f "baron" on every page, and saw it on page 4. Sorry! I probably skipped it because it was a small comment under the flash picture  Instead of pressing the next button you can press the "all" button to view all the comments on the same page instead of swapping pages. Just sayin | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Like wtf IdrA... I just don't know what else to say. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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Dr.Dragoon
United States1241 Posts
On June 06 2011 15:24 cheesemaster wrote: Honestly when MC said "idra are you angry" i dont think it was because he was trying to BM, i think he was really surprised that idra was just giving him games and playing kind of "angry" rushing him every game and then leaving right away, roach ling pressure isnt supposed to be all in you can transition out of it one of the games he even managed to kill quite a few probes one of the games and still left. When min was asked about the roach ling pressure build he said that its a pressure build and it isnt even really meant to kill the nexus just for pressure and then transition out of it something along those lines, of course if your opponent isnt prepared you can defenetly win with it as well. In contrast when we saw losira do something similair against MC he would use it for pressure then drop a third, it honestly seemed like idra was angry by the way he was playing and then giving up so fast. that's possible, but remember, MC is a friend of huk. yeah... | ||
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
On June 06 2011 15:20 Paradice wrote: MMA prepared for IdrA and knows about the tendency to early GG. Therefore, when he sees the mutas and realises his gold about to be discovered, he *deliberately* kills it and starts rebuilding it. MMA knows that IdrA will scout the command centre building and assume it's a 4th, when in fact it's a 3rd. He also empties his main army of marines and puts them into drops, implying he has these units to spare. This changes IdrA's entire idea of where he is in the matchup, which was enough to tip him past the 'gg' point. It was a risky all-in strategy by MMA (because he didn't know how much of the rest of the map IdrA had scouted), and would not have worked against any other player. MMA then finishes him off with a hadouken. if you are not trolling you along with the guy who said he threw the game for the growth of e-sports have to be 2 of the stupidest people I have encountered in awhile | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
How often does someone blow up his own fucking command center? It was really unlucky for IdrA, but honestly, how was IdrA supposed to know? And don't tell me IdrA would have won even if the command center was up. | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
On June 06 2011 15:27 cheesemaster wrote: [The difference is MMA didnt leave the game after he killed his own CC, and then he went on to win the tournament and 5000 bucks ^ | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
1) He only looked at his natural to send drones to gas but did not look at his natural after that. 2) He sees the new gold CC going up in his vision 3) He never saw the original gold CC. He did see a refinery there however. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
1. He never scouted those really early CC's, so he didn't have any reason to think that was MMA's 4th. 2. He clearly saw that his mutas had the army in the middle basically cleaned up. All the marines were dead, and the turret next to the constructing CC + 4 tanks was nearly dead. IdrA was about to get 5 tanks basically for free. 3. He did move all the drones at the natural into the one gas geyser (very few of which died). He never looked at the area again, so it's hard to say how much value that held in his mind to leave without knowing how many drones actually remained. 4. This is probably the most important one, and might be one of the big reasons he gg'd. At the end of the game, he had 16 lings and 5 mutas under production. However, after those, he had a mere 2 larva remaining, and absolutely ZERO larva injects in progress (total of 5 hatcheries). Most of the remaining seconds before the gg he had the hatcheries selected, and almost felt like he was waiting for more larva to pop, which never really happened. Now, I'm not saying he shouldn't have gg'd, but there's a bit of misinformation and uninformed people around. I would guess that he thought with MMA's reinforcements (that would have been inevitable) he would not have been able to hold it with so few lings or banes. Or something. | ||
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