Dreamhack invites TLO, ThorZaIN, SjoW, and more - Page 3

Tell me, where did Idra excel at? Hes widely considered the best foreign player yet i fail to see results to confirm it.
edit: I do think Thorzain is awesome, but hes not better than MC or Nani.

On May 25 2011 01:27 Blasphemi wrote:


1st MLG DC
1st IPL
2nd IEM Cologne
GSL January Ro8
3rd Dreamhack Invitational
GSL Open 2 Ro16
7th MLG Dallas.

He's just had so much more consistancy than Thorzain throughout where as Thorzain basically won and played brilliantly in TSL having done little before and so far not much after it.

On May 25 2011 01:19 SuperStyle wrote:


Tell me, where did Idra excel at? Hes widely considered the best foreign player yet i fail to see results to confirm it.
edit: I do think Thorzain is awesome, but hes not better than MC or Nani.

On May 25 2011 01:17 Blasphemi wrote:


Ret also beat MC. Is Ret also better than MC?

On May 25 2011 01:32 grobo wrote:


TSL just ended like a week ago, what else do you want him to achieve during such a short time?

On May 25 2011 01:35 SuperStyle wrote:
Placing 7th at MLG Dallas is an achievement as much as placing top 32 in TSL3
Rain placed 2nd at GSL and Fruitdealer won GSL, yet they are both not good and id even place Idra ahead of them.
Winning EU craftcup or go4sc2 is harder than winning IPL season 1 honestly.

Basically all of the results u posted were like in beta or in very very early stages of the game, and the game has evolved now.

On May 25 2011 01:40 Blasphemi wrote:


Since his TSL success he played in the Road to Korea where he lost to Mover (2-0), Lalush (2-1) and Sase (2-0) meaning he didn't make it out of the group stage. He also played in WCG Sweden and didn't qualify as he was too sick to play. He also lost 2-0 to Sase again in the EG Masters Cup this week.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, he's clearly a good player but he's not the best foreigner, he's not even the best in Europe or the best in Sweden.

On May 25 2011 01:12 7mk wrote:


Nah Liquid already has 4 players in it

I hope Liquid finally does well again although this line up looks scarier than something like MLG
Also glad that Stephano got an invite, very strong player. Now we just need Morrow and Nerchio so that for once europe has decent zerg representation
And of course haypro if he for once decides to show what hes capable of :p

On May 25 2011 01:43 Blasphemi wrote:


None of the results were in Beta. The IPL win was recent, as was the Dreamhack Ro4. Fruitdealer was at the time the best player in the world when he actually won GSL and Rain demonstrates (as does Inca) that flukes do happen in Sc2 and if anything that supports my argument better than it does yours.

On May 25 2011 01:51 SuperStyle wrote:


Naama won 15k dollars Dreamhack winter, is he the best player outside of korea ?
No, but he was at that time.
My point is that game is new, and best players change every 2 months or so, atm best players are thorzain,strelok,nani and so on, 6 months ago best players were idra,tyler,huk and so on.
In 2 months best players will be ??? Who knows
My point is that overall i do not think that Thorzain is the better player than Nani or MC, but atm he is better than Naniwa(not sure about MC though).
As far as Idra goes, i do not think that hes as good as ppl give him credit, sure hes great but not that great u know.

On May 25 2011 01:58 Blasphemi wrote:


There is a balance between considering every single tournament since Beta and only considering results in the last two weeks. Besides, Idra's not a Naama or Fruitdealer, he's still winning tournaments now.

If Inca had beaten Nestea, would he be the best player in the world?

On May 25 2011 01:40 Blasphemi wrote:


Since his TSL success he played in the Road to Korea where he lost to Mover (2-0), Lalush (2-1) and Sase (2-0) meaning he didn't make it out of the group stage. He also played in WCG Sweden and didn't qualify as he was too sick to play. He also lost 2-0 to Sase again in the EG Masters Cup this week.

I'm not saying he's a bad player, he's clearly a good player but he's not the best foreigner, he's not even the best in Europe or the best in Sweden.

On May 25 2011 02:03 Imascotsman wrote:
Ever since they started announcing players for Dreamhack and the apparent lack of american (continent) competitors has become evident, i have been considering who i would take. With Idra and Huk already securing invites i can hardly think of anyone other than the following 4 people.

Dignitas - Select

Root - Kiwikaki

Fnatic - Fenix

FXO - Sheth

I dont consider anyone else including Tyler. I do like him and others, but they simply are not playing consistently well enough in top events, the ladder, winning smaller cups. If i am wrong let me know and i will reconsider but i just dont think this is the case.

Does anyone know more about the latin american scene, other than Fenix i would struggle to name players. Surely they have a few gems over there that could compete at the top or are they suffering the same as there northern continental counterparts?.

I dont know much about the chinese but if you have time check out the link.
http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/cn
Surely within this group of players are the rising stars of the future and are just not getting any of the lime light. Dreamhack is of course invite based and you need to have submitted an application which could make a lot of this post worthless but i wouldn't mind seeing even more diversity i guess.