EPTHe's not wrong at all, the system wont promote you if you don't lose, when you start losing and get like ~50% win loss versus your opponents you'll get promoted, if you just keep winning it'll just keep matching you up against better and better opponents, until you finally stabilize.
Ladder locked? - Page 7
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
He's not wrong at all, the system wont promote you if you don't lose, when you start losing and get like ~50% win loss versus your opponents you'll get promoted, if you just keep winning it'll just keep matching you up against better and better opponents, until you finally stabilize. | ||
|
XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
On May 21 2011 00:44 zJayy962 wrote: Wait WTF? Please don't bring this shit into a thread like this. Just because I don't want to stir a shit storm, I won't reply to show you how wrong you are. On topic: Right now I have about a 60% win ratio on ladder over ~150 games played and I thought I'd get promoted to GM soon since I play GM's once in a while but it doesn't seem like it. I hate how I can't view the GM ladder to see whose on the bottom of it to judge if I can get promoted or not. To me, it feels like getting promoted to GM is purely based on luck once you get to a mid/high masters level. You have to finish a game the moment somebody gets to 180+ bonus points in GM league and be above the lowest MMR player or else you can't get in because there are no free spots. Seems like a silly system to me. You can't get promoted to GM this season. You have to be one of the Top 200 when the season starts, otherwise you have to be lucky and hope a GM stops playing that frequently and gets over 200 bonus pool. EDIT: NVM, just read your last paragraph... I don't understand how I could've missed that. | ||
|
bramapanzer
83 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2416113290 Only problem is, they said they fixed it 3 weeks ago ;-| | ||
|
Illusionnist
Ireland97 Posts
| ||
|
Kenso
Germany4 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:09 sereniity wrote: He's not wrong at all, the system wont promote you if you don't lose, when you start losing and get like ~50% win loss versus your opponents you'll get promoted, if you just keep winning it'll just keep matching you up against better and better opponents, until you finally stabilize. He is wrong. The confidence in your MMR sinks with unexpected wins, but the System should increase your MMR for those Wins and expect them the next time, increasing the Systems confidence and promote you even without losing. | ||
|
Apendix
England22 Posts
On May 20 2011 17:12 human_ko wrote: cant u just play not caring for your rating?? lol its not MMA its MMR, gm.toss. u get suitable opponents, what else wud u need "lol your just diamond what do you know" stuff like that when you feel you should be masters and people say stuff like that. and it gives you a feel that you acheived something. | ||
|
RBKeys
Canada196 Posts
On a side-note though: I played beat a platinum guy a few days ago and when I looked at his division there were only 6 people in it. Sometime later the division was filled, so I do believe the system is promoting and accommodating players by creating new division, as it should be. | ||
|
Legend`
Canada381 Posts
| ||
|
Fleuria
England466 Posts
| ||
|
random user
85 Posts
I have a script which checks the top 500 active diamond players over time. I wrote this script last season when I was interested in what it took to become masters if you had a lot of games. When I ran this script last season, generally 20-40 people would get promoted/demoted out of the top 500 every 24 hours. I've been running this script, and in the last 36 hours, guess how many people got promoted/demoted? Zero. While this isn't proof that leagues are locked, the fact that no one in the top 500 diamonds has moved leagues in 36 hours is a lot of evidence that something unusual is going on, and quite possibly that the leagues (at least diamond, and grandmaster because that one is easy to track) are locked. Edit: in the interests of full transparency, I have to say the above isn't *quite* true. I ran the script initially about 36 hours ago, and then 18 hours that, and then just recently. So the population of the top 500 changed between the initial 36 hours ago vs 24 hours ago. However, for both of the top 500 diamond populations sampled at the time they were sampled, no one moved leagues between that time and the next sampling. | ||
|
sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:24 Kenso wrote: He is wrong. The confidence in your MMR sinks with unexpected wins, but the System should increase your MMR for those Wins and expect them the next time, increasing the Systems confidence and promote you even without losing. Are you saying that you will get promoted even if you don't lose? A friend of mine who's masters played on his smurf account wich is bronze and had 5 pages of wins only in 1v1, yet he wasn't promoted, after that he stopped playing on the acc, then the 2 week ladder lock came and when the new season began he got placed into diamond in the placement match, note that all of his wins were before the 2 week ladder lock. I'm 99% sure that you HAVE to lose atleast 1 game in order to get promoted. | ||
|
stevarius
United States1394 Posts
| ||
|
GMonster
686 Posts
| ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On May 20 2011 23:08 shinyA wrote: Made a new account, I'm 20-2 still in plat and I've been playing high masters / grandmasters. Teammate of mine also made a new account, he went 5-0 in placement into Platinum and has lots more wins than me, same win %, and neither of us are being promoted. I'm grandmaster on my other account and he is same skill level. Ironically he just beat iNcontrol while he's still in platinum. So yes, the ladder is locked. I'm not gonna ladder anymore because I'm just blowing bonus pool  You never lose bonus points when you get promoted, they carry over to your new point total. | ||
|
Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:58 sereniity wrote: Are you saying that you will get promoted even if you don't lose? A friend of mine who's masters played on his smurf account wich is bronze and had 5 pages of wins only in 1v1, yet he wasn't promoted, after that he stopped playing on the acc, then the 2 week ladder lock came and when the new season began he got placed into diamond in the placement match, note that all of his wins were before the 2 week ladder lock. I'm 99% sure that you HAVE to lose atleast 1 game in order to get promoted. Nope, you don't. Not as of a few months ago, anyway. In the early launch version of the system that was the case (probably Aug-Dec 2010 or so). | ||
|
1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
I've played about 5 diamonds and 1 platinum in the past week, all of them 'even' matches for me. | ||
|
Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
| ||
|
desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On May 21 2011 02:03 Excalibur_Z wrote: You never lose bonus points when you get promoted, they carry over to your new point total. so wait is it locked or not? | ||
|
random user
85 Posts
On May 21 2011 01:59 stevarius wrote: Very interesting random user. Do you think you could alter it to monitor some of the other leagues? I'll try and set it up later today. But it will be 12/24 or whatever hours until I'll have anything meaningful since I'll have to wait some time to see if any of them moved. | ||
|
stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On May 21 2011 02:30 random user wrote: I'll try and set it up later today. But it will be 12/24 or whatever hours until I'll have anything meaningful since I'll have to wait some time to see if any of them moved. Well I don't myself getting promoted by then so... definitely worth the wait. Lol... | ||
| ||
