Due to an issue with the Grandmaster league we’ve temporarily locked league reassignments. This means that all ranked games are correctly awarding (and subtracting) points, all changes to player’s internal matchmaking rating continue to be made, but the ability to be promoted/demoted to a different league is temporarily on-hold. When this lock is released, the next win will process the correct standing and any league reassignments will be carried out as they would have.
We currently have a hotfix for the Grandmaster issue in testing, and expect it to be implemented very soon. Once the fix is in and verified the lock will be removed and league standings will continue as normal. We’ll make another announcement at that time.
It’s important to note, again, that your games played now continue to count toward your standing and a possible league reassignment.
^ This means don't stop playing games just because the leagues are locked you dumb faces! Your games are not getting lost!
All regions are unlocked (unlock occurred on May 25). EDIT: Ladder is locked
David Kim (dayvie) has also said to some people that the ladder is indeed locked due to a bug.
Original post: Hello, i was wondering if anyone is experiencing what i am?
I'm high plat, playing vs high masters, no rank up. I know what you're thinking, just keep playing and you will rank up eventually.
Well me and my friend are smurfing on other accounts. In 2v2 we lost all 5 of our matches so we could be placed in bronze. We've been doing 3 roach rush w/ speedlings and we have won ALOT of games, like 95% win ratio
We are still in bronze and we are playing high diamond / master teams.
Also, i took some quotes from the battle.net forums.;;
As noted in the patch notes, some players were being disconnected when they tried to view certain leagues and ladders pages. As a temporary fix, Blizzard set those pages to display, "Not yet ranked", instead of the actual page. However, as a side effect of this temporary fix, players who were affected can no longer be promoted at least from platinum to diamond. As evidence, I am rank 1 in platinum by 200+ points for 2 weeks, have won 15 games in a row against diamond and master players, most of them high diamond. Blizzard has promised to fix the grandmaster viewing issue in the next patch, but I don't know if they are aware of the promotion bug.
This is definitly a bug, I know a few people stuck in plat and gold, playing all master league. There is no promotion, this is 100% glitch that NEEDS to be fixed.
I am also having the same problem with my 4's. we are in bronze. rank 1. we vs. Diamond/master teams. we win all the time. and no promotion.
Also ive been hearing stories of people in diamond or whatever trying to derank to bronze (portrait farmers, want to try new race etc) and losing 50+ games on purpose with no derank.
I didn't see a post of this, i searched and stuff. is this a known bug? or am i just dumb and missing something completely?
Ironically, the system works like this: If you win too much, you can't get promoted. You won't get promoted until your new MMR has been balanced out so that the game know where to re-place you. If you're on a 15 winstreak vs Master Players etc, just keep playing. You will get ranked against players with higher and higher MMR. Eventually, you'll start losing. After you've lost a few games, the system will now be able to see where your new MMR lies. Knowing that you've improved isn't enough for a promotion. It has to know HOW MUCH you've improved. For example: I was placed in Plat in my 2v2Random after 5-0. I then went on to get 18-1, and was still in Plat, even though I got matched with players who still are around top 300 in EU (1v1). Then, I lost two games in a row, so I had 18-3. Got into Diamond. Won 2 more, lost 2 more: Masters. Solution: Just keep playing until you get defeated a few times. If you still don't get promoted, THEN it might be some sort of glitch, but not before that.
It is definitely locked to the people replying, you should try looking into the situation instead of giving vague one liner advice about the ladder system that everyone is aware of. i have a smurf i got off a friend that i have now played close to 100 games mostly vs diamond players now. I would have been promoted at least up a league by now.
I did the same thing to another account and it promoted up multiple leagues as i went along the course of about 30 games, im easily over a 100+ on this account.
A lot of reports on bnet forums, also you cannot derank either based off the experiences of portrait farmers (lol)
Yeah I've been sitting atop diamond for while going 50% vs mid masters and no promotion. Not sure if it a bug or just it's been purposefully difficult, but i've certainly taken notice
We're experiencing a similar thing over on SEA server as well. Our GM league isn't even filled up either, there's like 13 empty spots that aren't being re-allocated. I'm assuming it's a bug that will be fixed in the next patch update on tuesday (fingers crossed)
Same here. #1 platinum on EU, almost 100 points more then #2. Playing almost only (top) diamond and winning 50%-60% of that. Heck, I even was matched vs a Master League player the other day (lost though, but still).
On May 20 2011 17:46 Morphs wrote: Same here. #1 platinum on EU, almost 100 points more then #2. Playing almost only (top) diamond and winning 50%-60% of that. Heck, I even was matched vs a Master League player the other day (lost though, but still).
There seems to be a problem with promotion.
your case is a good example that the system is working: 1. points dont matter in regards to promotion 2. you play top diamond with 50-60% = you are where you belong too 3. you got matched once vs. master so you had a win streak maybe (or the master a losing) and lost -> the systems now knows your not ready for master as you still lose vs. lower end master player
just keep cool and play because its fun not for beein promoted ...
Yea I met a Master level zerg trying to derank himself on the ladder (3 games in a row, apparently we were the only ones on at 5 am ) He lost like 60 games and was playing against silver/bronze players but he still days later is only in diamond.
Hmm, was placed into Diamond from last season and then won my placements and 5 straight games and got placed into Masters, not so sure about the requirement that you have to lose..., perhaps in some cases its true?
I don't think everyone is bugged, but something has happened lately where some people and teams are playing way out of their leagues (bronze playing against diamond...etc) and not being demoted or promoted. Wonder if that hotfix actually is the problem.
I'll raise you one ladder weirdness... last season me and my 2v2 buddy were high platinum with a ridiculous win streak and didn't promote. This season we played only our placement match after several months of inactivity, lost it, and got promoted to diamond. ^_^
On May 20 2011 18:00 GarlicSauce wrote: I'll raise you one ladder weirdness... last season me and my 2v2 buddy were high platinum with a ridiculous win streak and didn't promote. This season we played only our placement match after several months of inactivity, lost it, and got promoted to diamond. ^_^
This seems to indicate that the number of games you've played counts against you when considering you for promotion. So the longer you sit in a league, the harder you can get out of it.
On May 20 2011 17:53 Azro wrote: 2. you play top diamond with 50-60% = you are where you belong too 3. you got matched once vs. master so you had a win streak maybe (or the master a losing) and lost -> the systems now knows your not ready for master as you still lose vs. lower end master player
just keep cool and play because its fun not for beein promoted ...
The above would indeed be fine if I was in Diamond league, but I'm in Platinum. Of couse I'm not ready for Master League yet, but I definitely feel I'm well at Diamond skill level..
Yeah, the only thing I can do is keep playing. However, Blizzard has been working on the matchmaking system lately, and I can't stop thinking that maybe there's still some bug present..especially when players cannot be demoted..
I honestly think it is just getting your MMR up to the point it wants you to rank up. It's not so much a matter of quality, but quantity at this point. And I am being kind of hypocritical here, but to some extent... why do you really care? If it's matching you against Masters players and you're having fun while being challenged... just play them out. It doesn't really matter what icon it says next to your name.
On May 20 2011 18:05 Durn wrote: I honestly think it is just getting your MMR up to the point it wants you to rank up. It's not so much a matter of quality, but quantity at this point. And I am being kind of hypocritical here, but to some extent... why do you really care? If it's matching you against Masters players and you're having fun while being challenged... just play them out. It doesn't really matter what icon it says next to your name.
I think it is because if there actually is a input limit reached bug or any other type of bug happening only for some players, then the ranking and promotion system isn't working. Especially if you jumped up 2 or 3 divisions from working hard and want to place into some of these "Sunday Gold/Platinum Tournaments" and prove yourself. How can you go to someone who organized that event and say, "I'm actually Platinum level but it won't promote me." They are just going to laugh in your face and say keep playing, even if there is some type of bug in the system.
On May 20 2011 18:05 Durn wrote: why do you really care? If it's matching you against Masters players and you're having fun while being challenged... just play them out. It doesn't really matter what icon it says next to your name.
Play-wise you're right. But as I'm a competitive player I like the ladder aspect. I've had a lot of fun ranking up on the ladder and as I'm a solid #1 there's no challenge in that anymore. Furthermore, I've set Diamond league as a goal during beta. It may be a symbolical goal as I think I'm already at that level skillwise, but it's just nice to receive the reward for the practise I've put in lately.
For me personally, it does matter what the icon says as it's recognition for the time and effort I'm putting into the game. Being stuck in a league is frustrating. I know I belong in a better league, I'm playing and beating people in a better league, it annoys me that I'm not there along side them.
One of my main gripes is that I play people in the same league as me who are better than those in the ones above and are seemingly in the same position as me, being stuck in their current league.
The most annoying thing is thrashing someone in a higher league, to find out they've only played 5-6 games.
One of my main gripes is that I play people in the same league as me who are better than those in the ones above and are seemingly in the same position as me, being stuck in their current league.
This. I have been stuck in Plat for a while (not sure if I buy the who ladder locked thing or not) I have won 23 out of my last 30 games and i think all but 1 of my losses were to Plats while most of my wins were to diamonds.
On May 20 2011 18:10 raanwi wrote: yes, the ladder is locked.
Would you mind providing an official statement on that? =)
Also, why do you care about Leagues? If you're good, you're good. It's not like your skill suddenly improves when you get promoted or do you just want to say "yeah, look at me, now i'm in Masters"?
This is not the first thread about the ladder being majorly weird and still I haven't heard any story about someone being promoted. That in itself, on the biggest SC2 forum in the world, makes me think that the ladder might be locked, or atleast really fucked up at the moment.
On May 20 2011 18:40 Jiddra wrote: Can anyone point to a player getting promoted?
This is not the first thread about the ladder being majorly weird and still I haven't heard any story about someone being promoted. That in itself, on the biggest SC2 forum in the world, makes me think that the ladder might be locked, or atleast really fucked up at the moment.
I think most people in the thread think the lock happened to accounts with the bug which were hotfixed not too long ago.
I can say this. When I view the GM ladder in game, I get the "Not Yet Ranked" msg. Also I've played 80 games of season two now, been at rank 1 silver since like game 10. I'm playing against rank 1 golds and low plats and still not promotion, so maybe it does have something to do with the hotfix if your account was one of those that would have been disconnected previously.
I have been demoting myself to play protoss and I am playinum currently fighting brozne, players, I diddn't realise how far i'd tanked my mmr. So there is clearly a problem in my eyes. I have already made a post on this about demoting yesterday.
On May 20 2011 19:17 ODKStevez wrote: I have been demoting myself to play protoss and I am playinum currently fighting brozne, players, I diddn't realise how far i'd tanked my mmr. So there is clearly a problem in my eyes. I have already made a post on this about demoting yesterday.
Go to leagues and ladders, then Grandmaster and report back if it says Not Yet Ranked. Season 1 it took me over 100 games lost in a row to get back to bronze from platinum.
On May 20 2011 17:46 Morphs wrote: Same here. #1 platinum on EU, almost 100 points more then #2. Playing almost only (top) diamond and winning 50%-60% of that. Heck, I even was matched vs a Master League player the other day (lost though, but still).
There seems to be a problem with promotion.
your case is a good example that the system is working: 1. points dont matter in regards to promotion 2. you play top diamond with 50-60% = you are where you belong too 3. you got matched once vs. master so you had a win streak maybe (or the master a losing) and lost -> the systems now knows your not ready for master as you still lose vs. lower end master player
just keep cool and play because its fun not for beein promoted ...
but hes Platnium and should be diamond?
Also the case were MMR needs to balance out is a lie. You see players with 36-2 in masters. This shows their winstreak hasnt evened out.
On May 20 2011 17:46 Morphs wrote: Same here. #1 platinum on EU, almost 100 points more then #2. Playing almost only (top) diamond and winning 50%-60% of that. Heck, I even was matched vs a Master League player the other day (lost though, but still).
There seems to be a problem with promotion.
your case is a good example that the system is working: 1. points dont matter in regards to promotion 2. you play top diamond with 50-60% = you are where you belong too 3. you got matched once vs. master so you had a win streak maybe (or the master a losing) and lost -> the systems now knows your not ready for master as you still lose vs. lower end master player
just keep cool and play because its fun not for beein promoted ...
but hes Platnium and should be diamond?
Also the case were MMR needs to balance out is a lie. You see players with 36-2 in masters. This shows their winstreak hasnt evened out.
The difference though is that their MMR started out high and had a confidence range in the high diamond to masters range to begin with. People who have played 1k games in platinum actually have to have a winrate of 60-75% to make the confidence range match them up against diamond, then keep atleast a 50-60% winrate to eventually be promoted.
There's a thread somewhere on this forum that explains most of how it works. Basically, you have a hidden 'mmr' and your points. You need to achieve certain criteria before it will move you up leagues. Sometimes it takes a lot of games. A friend of mine went on a 42 game winning streak and was only promoted from silver to gold. But then after winning and losing a few games over the next few weeks he was slowly promoted.
The ladder system is weird in and of itself. It'd be very difficult to work out if something was wrong with it outside of Blizzard telling us, or extensive testing. Just keep playing, if it's broken Blizzard will fix it, if it's not it'll promote you when you achieve certain results.
Yes, there have been many people saying the leagues are "frozen". sc2ranks hasn't registered a GM promotion for a while, and there are several cases of 2k+ points in very low leagues - something that shouldn't happen at all.
I played a 1400 pts bronze the other day, and I'm 1k plat.
I have been playing 4v4 random with one of my team-mates (so semi-random..), my team-mate and I have played the exact same amount of games with each other, after placing in Platinum.. He has been promoted twice now and is in Masters, however I am still stuck in Platinum with like a 74% win rate, constantly playing and beating Masters players.
If it's anything to do with it, I have the Input Limit Reached bug and am on EU server. A few of my team-mates also have this problem.
Took roughly 80 or so games for me to be promoted to diamond from platinum this season. I think its mainly you have to prove to the system that you belong at the level of who your competing against. Once your MMR stabilized I'm sure you'll be promoted.
I haven't played on ladder for a while, so I'm not sure what issues are currently occurring. As for those commenting on whether or not they should be promoted or not, I took a quick browse through this thread, and it doesn't seem this link has been posted yet:
Yea it's locked for me too here's my profile http://sc2ranks.com/eu/1997159/dRw I have something like 70% win ratio (sc2 gears says so) I'm playing high masters/GM players and it won't promote to masters haha ^^
I lost my league completely on the China server - my account expired, so I didnt play any and was dropped from GM league, then when I came back Im not in any league at all even tho I still get points for my wins and get matched only vs top 50 or whatever in GM.
oh god this is good to know, I was totally mad for not getting any promotions (gold league getting matched vs high diamonds) and the more i was mad the more i played games, and the more i was mad
mmm there was a thread about a hidden league . guess you can imagine now why they locked it? Don't want any more players in it *hint*. Atleast that is what i think, because they announce the ladder lock if its for a new season.
On May 20 2011 17:46 Morphs wrote: Same here. #1 platinum on EU, almost 100 points more then #2. Playing almost only (top) diamond and winning 50%-60% of that. Heck, I even was matched vs a Master League player the other day (lost though, but still).
There seems to be a problem with promotion.
your case is a good example that the system is working: 1. points dont matter in regards to promotion 2. you play top diamond with 50-60% = you are where you belong too 3. you got matched once vs. master so you had a win streak maybe (or the master a losing) and lost -> the systems now knows your not ready for master as you still lose vs. lower end master player
just keep cool and play because its fun not for beein promoted ...
but hes Platnium and should be diamond?
Also the case were MMR needs to balance out is a lie. You see players with 36-2 in masters. This shows their winstreak hasnt evened out.
Because Master is the highest league you can get promoted into?
Yeah it sounds like the GM bug (with more divisons) made them lock it down, sounds reasonable!
But OMG this is nice to nice, kinda... since i've been waiting for my masters promotion -.- (i used to be master... then dropped down over a longer break, now im back!!)
Beating silver/golds in 1v1 as Bronze 80% of the time and no promo...getting really bummed and discouraged. Probably not gonna ladder until this gets fixed.
I definitely have been wondering if there's been some kind of promotion bug, I'm currently stuck in platinum 1v1 and I definitely feel like I'm overdue for a promotion.
I currently have a 57.7% win ratio vs diamond players (30 wins, 22 losses) and only recently has that ratio dropped below 60%. Also, I haven't played anything but diamond players in the past two weeks. (I keep an excel spreadsheet of my stats so it's easy for me to spit out this info)
Placed gold because I failed one placement on a new account and I'm beating plats and diamonds very consistently. I'll see how many games it takes to promote me. If it does, I'll report back, but I'm not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel for now. I'm starting to think it's locked unless the equation for determining promotion has changed. Who knows.... we'll find out today if I get promoted or sit in gold beating masters....
who the fuck cares? you wanna be day9 and impress women with "hey look im diamond" or what, doesnt work with bronze hmm? as long as the mmr ist locked everythings okay.
Does same count for demotion or is it only promotion?
Yes, my best matchup by far is PvT, I got to high diamond after long winning streak vs Terrans. Lately I've been playing only vs Protoss and Zergs which I have lost like 70-80%. Now I'm playing vs high plat still losing like 70% (where all are the terrans?!) and still I am ranked 20th diamond.
On May 20 2011 21:10 oni_link wrote: who the fuck cares? you wanna be day9 and impress women with "hey look im diamond" or what, doesnt work with bronze hmm? as long as the mmr ist locked everythings okay.
Why try and improve if there is no reward for it. Competitive games thrive on ranking and the constant lure of achieving a higher level. It matters little in the competitive community, but Starcraft II as a whole it's a major issue for sure.
On May 20 2011 21:10 oni_link wrote: who the fuck cares? you wanna be day9 and impress women with "hey look im diamond" or what, doesnt work with bronze hmm? as long as the mmr ist locked everythings okay.
Why have a promotion system if it isn't working? People actually dedicate time and effort into such a hard game, they want to be promoted when they should. It isn't too much to ask.
Update: There are quite a number of bug threads on battle.net forums asking the same question. Hopefully Excalibur might be able to update us on it.
I made an account on the US server 2 weeks ago or so and got placed in Diamond despite winning all 5 placement matches. After 50 or 60 games and barely any losses I had the best diamond rating in the entire world with 100 points more than the 2nd and I still did not get promoted. Then I quit for a few days, came back and lost some games and suddenly i was promoted. It really doesnt make any sense.
After all that system is really annoying and there has to be fixed something.
Ah right, seems I'm not alone then! I was just trying to convince myself I still hadn't played enough but I'm currently in Silver being matched with (so far) up to rank 8 Diamond so I was wondering if it was ever going to promote me, lol.
Yeah I got from bronze to silver in the usual manner about 6 hours ago. I find that the thing where you have to lose a couple to balance the MMR is true.
On May 20 2011 21:22 Trufflez wrote: Yeah I got from bronze to silver in the usual manner about 6 hours ago. I find that the thing where you have to lose a couple to balance the MMR is true.
The reason losing balances it out is because you are stagnating your MMR long enough that the system thinks you are staying in the confidence range of a league.
Not sure if this is helpful at all, but I think that i might be having a similar issue, I'm at over 1.1k pts in diamond, 85% win rate over the past 25 games, all but 4 of them have been vs masters players, most of the masters players I've been hitting (and beating) are around 1k-1.2k pts.
Finished all my work before finals, so i'm gonna grind a ton of games out, if I don't get promo'd soon I'm calling bS
On May 20 2011 21:22 Trufflez wrote: Yeah I got from bronze to silver in the usual manner about 6 hours ago. I find that the thing where you have to lose a couple to balance the MMR is true.
Well if this is true, it just disproves all this bug talk. This thread might be turning into one big "why am I not promoted" thread
On May 20 2011 21:22 Trufflez wrote: Yeah I got from bronze to silver in the usual manner about 6 hours ago. I find that the thing where you have to lose a couple to balance the MMR is true.
Well if this is true, it just disproves all this bug talk. This thread might be turning into one big "why am I not promoted" thread
If you read the rest of the thread, the bug only seems to be happening to people that have the Not Yet Ranked Grandmaster league in their profile. Please read the whole thread before posting.
Well in the last fortnight i got promoted to silver and last week i got to gold so im not sure if the bug was happening last week but iv'e been promoted
At first, it began like this, Me V diamond Me V diamond Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V masters That was 2 weeks ago. It is now Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters .. And I'm winning 65-70% of games, and no promotion, the ladder system is bugged I beleived.
On May 20 2011 22:18 Superpower wrote: Well in the last fortnight i got promoted to silver and last week i got to gold so im not sure if the bug was happening last week but iv'e been promoted
On May 20 2011 22:23 Manacakes wrote: At first, it began like this, Me V diamond Me V diamond Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V masters That was 2 weeks ago. It is now Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters Me V Masters .. And I'm winning 65-70% of games, and no promotion, the ladder system is bugged I beleived.
Do you guys have the bug when you go to your page>leagues and ladders>Grandmaster league?
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have not experienced the things op did do remember however vaguely the patch notes for the new ladder system mentioning that all leagues would be locked during the final weeks of the season maybe blizzard locked the leagues already and we are now in the final(4-8?) weeks of this season?
I can't wait for the leagues to be unlocked. I'm beating GM people on EU and many many high masters and I'm still stuck in diamond. Can't wait cus my stream chat keeps wondering why im diamond lol :D
You should get promoted when you have ~ 50% win ratio. From what you've said with the 2v2 it won't bother promoting you to silver or gold, more likely straight to play/ diamond. I'd guess the same is true with 1v1.
having said that, i suspect blizzard has "promotion days" since last month it was promoted in 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 on the same day within about 2hrs.
I feel that it IS a bug, because I'm currently in gold facing all platinum people and I win just slightly more than I lose. I never face gold anymore, but I face high to mid platinum people and have probably a 60 percent win rate.
I STILL wont' get promoted though, even though my MMR should be "settled"
Me and my friend were on silver in season1, we lost our season 2 placement match and still stayed in silver, we lost 4 games a row after that and once we won 1 game, we were immediately promoted to gold. so 1-4 win rate. -_-
Made a new account, I'm 20-2 still in plat and I've been playing high masters / grandmasters.
Teammate of mine also made a new account, he went 5-0 in placement into Platinum and has lots more wins than me, same win %, and neither of us are being promoted. I'm grandmaster on my other account and he is same skill level.
Ironically he just beat iNcontrol while he's still in platinum. So yes, the ladder is locked. I'm not gonna ladder anymore because I'm just blowing bonus pool
well here is my take on it. Again I am a casual gamer.. I am silver in 1v1 and 2v2.. Generally get players with plat or high plat against me. I win some and I lose some. 3v3, I am plat. I hardly play 3 v3. I play a hell lot of 4v4 and my rank fluctuates between 1-3 in gold. I am always playing against low diamond and high plat and sometimes masters. Again I win some and lose some. At the end of the day, I think that based upon my own assessment, I cannot go beyond Gold and honestly I dont care abt my rating because I always get to play with players of higher rating than me, But then again I am a casual gamer.
On May 20 2011 17:09 graNite wrote: Because the system is not confident in your rating.
This absolutely, truskill works the same way. It does some fancy stuff with what it thinks your rating is compared to what it thinks your opponent is rated, then tries to predict the outcome. How confident the system is with the outcome determines your mmr. Right now you're supposed to be losing games
There actually is a bug with the promotion system right now. Case in point- 188 NA GM's and no one is able to get promoted right now. You can get placed into masters doing team games but if you get placed in another league you won't be moving up any time soon. I'm waiting on an announcement from excalibur since we know blizz isn't going to say anything about it ^^
ive been playing on a smurf account as a different race, and constantly am placed vs 800-1k masters. however im stuck in Diamond. roughly 60-15 record, so that does seem a bit strange that im stuck
Same here. #1 Gold on a smurf, 1417 points and 240+ wins against high diamonds / masters. Seems like there really IS something wrong if there are so many people having the problem.
Would be interesting tho to have people write here that did get promoted, just to see if there is any promotion at all.
If it’s not locked and there’s no bug.. then IMO it’s flawed. The fact that MMR is hidden is a joke. It makes everything everyone is talking about pure speculation. Your ‘best guess’ is that it’s working as it should and you need to lose to move up? Seriously… you need to lose? I get the concept of it needs to stabilize.. but the system should be smart enough to recognize you don’t belong in the league you’re in if you’re playing people two ranks higher.
I agree with the person on here that it seems as though they’re picking certain days to “enable” promotions/demotions… It makes sense because when you get put in a league it seems like all of the other members of that league are placed there within a couple days of each other.. as if it’s grouping players together.. maybe there’s some stupid algorithm involved and if you don't get promoted it's because your grouping doesn't match an already exsisting league.. so it’s waiting for one of those ‘enabled’ days to group you..
Well, so far no one really has proof if it is locked, or if this is how b.net is supposed to work, but i hope that it is flawed for one. I know it is not really a big deal, but i have been stuck in diamond 4v4 for a long time now, not long enough to be proof of the ladder being messed up, but long enough for me to get pretty pissed and wonder how the heck i am not moved up to masters.
I was Diamond Terran, switched to Zerg got demonted to Plat, now I consistently am playing high Diamond/Masters and no rank up. Been at top of my Plat division for...a while. Not sure what's up. If you demote a league are you pretty much stuck there as a punishment of sorts? Not an actual punishment...but perhaps they make it very very difficult to move back up once they "think" they've placed you correctly? Unfortunate. I think you should play in the league in which you must play against, consistently.
The leagues are locked. Just get over it and stop asking for proof. No one can prove that God doesn't exist either, but we all know it's true. Just accept it and wait for Blizzard to announce a fix.
On May 21 2011 00:34 Noelani wrote: The leagues are locked. Just get over it and stop asking for proof. No one can prove that God doesn't exist either, but we all know it's true. Just accept it and wait for Blizzard to announce a fix.
Don't derail the thread by making such a statement like that.
Blizzard also won't announce a fix until it's fixed, assuming this is a problem.... which I think is highy plausible.
On May 21 2011 00:34 Noelani wrote: The leagues are locked. Just get over it and stop asking for proof. No one can prove that God doesn't exist either, but we all know it's true. Just accept it and wait for Blizzard to announce a fix.
Wait WTF? Please don't bring this shit into a thread like this.
Just because I don't want to stir a shit storm, I won't reply to show you how wrong you are.
On topic: Right now I have about a 60% win ratio on ladder over ~150 games played and I thought I'd get promoted to GM soon since I play GM's once in a while but it doesn't seem like it. I hate how I can't view the GM ladder to see whose on the bottom of it to judge if I can get promoted or not.
To me, it feels like getting promoted to GM is purely based on luck once you get to a mid/high masters level. You have to finish a game the moment somebody gets to 180+ bonus points in GM league and be above the lowest MMR player or else you can't get in because there are no free spots. Seems like a silly system to me.
I too believe this is a bug, started my smurf account, and even though I consistently met players ranked top 10 one league above mine, at all times i only got ranked up on league at a time.
i.e when i was ranked in silver i kept meeting top gold, gold i met top platinum and so on, i dont believe this is a bug since it kept promoting me in a rapid pace.
however, when i eventually got to plat, i kept playing top 5 diamond players, and for the past 20 games ive been meeting anything from rank 1 and 2 diamond players and all the way up to top 20 master players with no promotion for over a week.
I now have around 1250 points and obviously im ranked #1 in my plat div.
Something seems to have stagnated during the last week.
I was starting to wonder the same thing. Me and a buddy started in Silver, then got put in Gold early this month. Kept playing and generally play anybody from plat to diamond usually. We don't lose all the time, but we do go through our stints. We still end up beating plat diamonds a lot thought (sometimes Masters!) Still haven't moved. I just assumed we hadn't played enough games, but we've been #1 in Gold for quite a while now....
The ranking up and down system is seriously ridiculous. It takes WAYYY too many games to go up or down. I also started in bronze on purpose a few months back and it took like 150 games to get to #1 diamond when i was winning around 98%.
On May 21 2011 00:58 LzHFantaSy wrote: its a bug.. few of my clan mates are plat/diamond (on new accnts) stuck even tho their beating people like incontrol
It took me ~30 games to de-rank on my smurf when I gave it away. And then 50 games to get back up to diamond. It can take a looooooooong time to switch leagues if your MMR is clearly way outta whack with your actual skill level.
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote: if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion
You are so wrong it hurts.
He's not wrong at all, the system wont promote you if you don't lose, when you start losing and get like ~50% win loss versus your opponents you'll get promoted, if you just keep winning it'll just keep matching you up against better and better opponents, until you finally stabilize.
On May 21 2011 00:34 Noelani wrote: The leagues are locked. Just get over it and stop asking for proof. No one can prove that God doesn't exist either, but we all know it's true. Just accept it and wait for Blizzard to announce a fix.
Wait WTF? Please don't bring this shit into a thread like this.
Just because I don't want to stir a shit storm, I won't reply to show you how wrong you are.
On topic: Right now I have about a 60% win ratio on ladder over ~150 games played and I thought I'd get promoted to GM soon since I play GM's once in a while but it doesn't seem like it. I hate how I can't view the GM ladder to see whose on the bottom of it to judge if I can get promoted or not.
To me, it feels like getting promoted to GM is purely based on luck once you get to a mid/high masters level. You have to finish a game the moment somebody gets to 180+ bonus points in GM league and be above the lowest MMR player or else you can't get in because there are no free spots. Seems like a silly system to me.
You can't get promoted to GM this season. You have to be one of the Top 200 when the season starts, otherwise you have to be lucky and hope a GM stops playing that frequently and gets over 200 bonus pool.
EDIT: NVM, just read your last paragraph... I don't understand how I could've missed that.
Wasnt there a thing where, u have two weeks to get promoted. then if ur in the same league u stay there till the rest of the season? i think thats what it is
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote: if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion
You are so wrong it hurts.
He's not wrong at all, the system wont promote you if you don't lose, when you start losing and get like ~50% win loss versus your opponents you'll get promoted, if you just keep winning it'll just keep matching you up against better and better opponents, until you finally stabilize.
He is wrong. The confidence in your MMR sinks with unexpected wins, but the System should increase your MMR for those Wins and expect them the next time, increasing the Systems confidence and promote you even without losing.
On May 20 2011 17:12 human_ko wrote: cant u just play not caring for your rating?? lol its not MMA its MMR, gm.toss. u get suitable opponents, what else wud u need
"lol your just diamond what do you know" stuff like that when you feel you should be masters and people say stuff like that. and it gives you a feel that you acheived something.
I'm currently sitting at about 31 wins in my gold league, but I've been facing mid-high plats since about 8 wins. I've lost some games since then (putting my record at about 31-15~) and I still haven't been promoted. I'm still going to play and try, but it's a bit weird when I was promoted from bronze to silver, silver to gold, in less than 20 games played last season.
On a side-note though: I played beat a platinum guy a few days ago and when I looked at his division there were only 6 people in it. Sometime later the division was filled, so I do believe the system is promoting and accommodating players by creating new division, as it should be.
Seems a little bugged me and all my friends are playing people way higher than us in 1v1 and its about 60-75% win ratio vs diamond / masters thought it would of ranked us up by now rather than just staying in the same league ;d been like this for a week now before in s1 i got ranked up pretty quick if i went on a 60%+ win against a league higher
I'm pretty sure leagues (at least some) are locked. I don't have proof, but I have pretty good evidence.
I have a script which checks the top 500 active diamond players over time. I wrote this script last season when I was interested in what it took to become masters if you had a lot of games.
When I ran this script last season, generally 20-40 people would get promoted/demoted out of the top 500 every 24 hours.
I've been running this script, and in the last 36 hours, guess how many people got promoted/demoted?
Zero.
While this isn't proof that leagues are locked, the fact that no one in the top 500 diamonds has moved leagues in 36 hours is a lot of evidence that something unusual is going on, and quite possibly that the leagues (at least diamond, and grandmaster because that one is easy to track) are locked.
Edit: in the interests of full transparency, I have to say the above isn't *quite* true. I ran the script initially about 36 hours ago, and then 18 hours that, and then just recently. So the population of the top 500 changed between the initial 36 hours ago vs 24 hours ago. However, for both of the top 500 diamond populations sampled at the time they were sampled, no one moved leagues between that time and the next sampling.
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote: if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion
You are so wrong it hurts.
He's not wrong at all, the system wont promote you if you don't lose, when you start losing and get like ~50% win loss versus your opponents you'll get promoted, if you just keep winning it'll just keep matching you up against better and better opponents, until you finally stabilize.
He is wrong. The confidence in your MMR sinks with unexpected wins, but the System should increase your MMR for those Wins and expect them the next time, increasing the Systems confidence and promote you even without losing.
Are you saying that you will get promoted even if you don't lose? A friend of mine who's masters played on his smurf account wich is bronze and had 5 pages of wins only in 1v1, yet he wasn't promoted, after that he stopped playing on the acc, then the 2 week ladder lock came and when the new season began he got placed into diamond in the placement match, note that all of his wins were before the 2 week ladder lock.
I'm 99% sure that you HAVE to lose atleast 1 game in order to get promoted.
On May 20 2011 23:08 shinyA wrote: Made a new account, I'm 20-2 still in plat and I've been playing high masters / grandmasters.
Teammate of mine also made a new account, he went 5-0 in placement into Platinum and has lots more wins than me, same win %, and neither of us are being promoted. I'm grandmaster on my other account and he is same skill level.
Ironically he just beat iNcontrol while he's still in platinum. So yes, the ladder is locked. I'm not gonna ladder anymore because I'm just blowing bonus pool
You never lose bonus points when you get promoted, they carry over to your new point total.
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote: if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion
You are so wrong it hurts.
He's not wrong at all, the system wont promote you if you don't lose, when you start losing and get like ~50% win loss versus your opponents you'll get promoted, if you just keep winning it'll just keep matching you up against better and better opponents, until you finally stabilize.
He is wrong. The confidence in your MMR sinks with unexpected wins, but the System should increase your MMR for those Wins and expect them the next time, increasing the Systems confidence and promote you even without losing.
Are you saying that you will get promoted even if you don't lose? A friend of mine who's masters played on his smurf account wich is bronze and had 5 pages of wins only in 1v1, yet he wasn't promoted, after that he stopped playing on the acc, then the 2 week ladder lock came and when the new season began he got placed into diamond in the placement match, note that all of his wins were before the 2 week ladder lock.
I'm 99% sure that you HAVE to lose atleast 1 game in order to get promoted.
Nope, you don't. Not as of a few months ago, anyway. In the early launch version of the system that was the case (probably Aug-Dec 2010 or so).
I have to agree with the OP that I have been noticing some weirdness in my ladder play. I'm an 800 pt master, and have been playing even matches vs 900 pt masters one game, and then a diamond player the next game. (There is a clear difference in skill, but b.net is calling them 12 pt/12 pt even matches).
I've played about 5 diamonds and 1 platinum in the past week, all of them 'even' matches for me.
On May 20 2011 23:08 shinyA wrote: Made a new account, I'm 20-2 still in plat and I've been playing high masters / grandmasters.
Teammate of mine also made a new account, he went 5-0 in placement into Platinum and has lots more wins than me, same win %, and neither of us are being promoted. I'm grandmaster on my other account and he is same skill level.
Ironically he just beat iNcontrol while he's still in platinum. So yes, the ladder is locked. I'm not gonna ladder anymore because I'm just blowing bonus pool
You never lose bonus points when you get promoted, they carry over to your new point total.
On May 21 2011 01:59 stevarius wrote: Very interesting random user. Do you think you could alter it to monitor some of the other leagues?
I'll try and set it up later today. But it will be 12/24 or whatever hours until I'll have anything meaningful since I'll have to wait some time to see if any of them moved.
On May 21 2011 01:59 stevarius wrote: Very interesting random user. Do you think you could alter it to monitor some of the other leagues?
I'll try and set it up later today. But it will be 12/24 or whatever hours until I'll have anything meaningful since I'll have to wait some time to see if any of them moved.
Well I don't myself getting promoted by then so... definitely worth the wait. Lol...
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote: if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion
No that is wrong! How do you think the people with 80-90% Win ratio gets into grandmasters?! Or how Pillage could hack himself to GM with 69-0?
its true that you don't have to lose games to get into GM league. But also, Pillage does not actually have a 69-0 record. If you check his record, he did lose a couple games but for some reason the system didn't pick it up even though it shows in his match history.
On May 21 2011 02:21 Tabbris wrote: I was hoping excalibur_Z could shed some light on this...
There's certainly mounting evidence that suggests that there's an issue.
Remember there was a hotfix deployed a few weeks ago that changed the MMR thresholds to even out the league population percentiles on NA. About 1-2 weeks ago that same hotfix was deployed for the other regions. Regions like RU and LA that had a majority of players in Bronze were having their Bronze populations drop by 1-2% per day, a sign that the hotfix was working. About one week ago, though, the populations stagnated.
Here's a screencap from Monday 5/16:
And here's a screencap from today 5/20 just a few minutes ago:
What you'll notice is that every league has increased in terms of number of players. These are initial placements. If league changes were active, we would be seeing LA and RU in particular continuing to drop significant numbers of players out of Bronze day by day.
There's certainly mounting evidence that suggests that there's an issue.
Remember there was a hotfix deployed a few weeks ago that changed the MMR thresholds to even out the league population percentiles on NA. About 1-2 weeks ago that same hotfix was deployed for the other regions. Regions like RU and LA that had a majority of players in Bronze were having their Bronze populations drop by 1-2% per day, a sign that the hotfix was working. About one week ago, though, the populations stagnated.
Here's a screencap from Monday 5/16:
And here's a screencap from today 5/20 just a few minutes ago:
What you'll notice is that every league has increased in terms of number of players. These are initial placements. If league changes were active, we would be seeing LA and RU in particular continuing to drop significant numbers of players out of Bronze day by day.
Thanks for the insight. It's good to know that there is evidence to show a problem exists and that we're not being deluded by our own desires to be promoted.
Jinro brought enough evidence to prove it, I have no doubt, even though there's no official statament about it.
It's either a bug or a forced block to fix some other bug, but I won't be surprised if the league reset soon for some reason.
Lastly:
1) MMR is still in effect. That means that as soon as it gets fixed (or reset*) you will get promoted/demoted and even skip leagues if necessary.
2) Bonus pool is still increasing at the same pace, normally, that also means that GM players are still being kicked from GM league as soon as they reach 181 bonus pool. But they cannot get into another league after that!
3) Blizzard didn't tell us about it, so they could also fix it at any moment and not tell us anything, so don't be surprised if you get promotion/demotion at any instant.
Is there anyone reading this thread that actually has been promoted or demoted in the past few days? It's anecdotal but might still give us an idea of whether this is really happening.
I think a clear indication is when you start losing games against evenly matched players. Coming up from portrait farm, I have yet to play an evenly matched player (all slightly or completely favored), so while my ratio has fallen to a lowly 70% or so over the past 50 games (against gold and platinum, and now only against platinum), I am still in the bronze division I joined when I dropped ~80 games in a row. The promotion system just waits until you are going about 50/50 against evenly matched opponents, which requires quite a few losses versus favored opponents (or else you would just keep playing favored ones). I think this is why most people say you have to lose a bunch in a row if you're on a streak and just want to promote.
I don't see the point. If I'm just playing mid and high platinum, and the games are somewhat challenging, I really don't care if I'm in bronze. Bring on the diamond players.
Edit: I'm 12-7 over my past 19 (still all vs slightly favored)...so I expect over the next 30 or so games I dip below 50% and start seeing even matches, then get moved to platinum, or diamond if I'm really lucky :^)
Yeah you need to lose some in order to get promoted.
I was placed into Bronze and then won my next 18 games without promotion. After I lost 2 games and then won 1 more, I was immediately promoted to Gold, totally skipping Silver.
On May 20 2011 19:14 NeonLiger wrote: I can say this. When I view the GM ladder in game, I get the "Not Yet Ranked" msg. Also I've played 80 games of season two now, been at rank 1 silver since like game 10. I'm playing against rank 1 golds and low plats and still not promotion, so maybe it does have something to do with the hotfix if your account was one of those that would have been disconnected previously.
The difference between high silver and low plat is smaller than you think. Just keep playing.
On May 21 2011 03:59 Shahrazad wrote: I think a clear indication is when you start losing games against evenly matched players. Coming up from portrait farm, I have yet to play an evenly matched player (all slightly or completely favored), so while my ratio has fallen to a lowly 70% or so over the past 50 games (against gold and platinum, and now only against platinum), I am still in the bronze division I joined when I dropped ~80 games in a row. The promotion system just waits until you are going about 50/50 against evenly matched opponents, which requires quite a few losses versus favored opponents (or else you would just keep playing favored ones). I think this is why most people say you have to lose a bunch in a row if you're on a streak and just want to promote.
I don't see the point. If I'm just playing mid and high platinum, and the games are somewhat challenging, I really don't care if I'm in bronze. Bring on the diamond players.
Edit: I'm 12-7 over my past 19 (still all vs slightly favored)...so I expect over the next 30 or so games I dip below 50% and start seeing even matches, then get moved to platinum, or diamond if I'm really lucky :^)
Evenly matched does not mean that you are the same skill level. The thing you see before the game is an idication of how many points you'll receive or lose for winning or losing.
You and your opponent can both show each other as favored. This is one of the main examples in Exalibur's Thread. (it's comparing your MMR to your opponents converted point total) You can surely tell by the QUALITY of your opponent, but not by what b.net says the game is "worth". If you start playing people on your level you'll know you're close to evening out. Essentially the system matches you based on MMR, and then compares your MMR to your opponents points to decide how much the match is actually worth because the system wants to put your MMR and your Points to relatively the same area. This isn't on topic but your post doesn't really help.
I agree with you thought, people are way too caught up in ranks, but on the other hand why shouldn't they? They've put in the time and effort into playing and being better, I like to have something to show for my efforts..
I have the "Grandmasters Not Yet ranked" (been about 2 weeks). I plan to play some more 1v1's tonight, im like 10-1 in the past few games in the top of my gold division. In 2v2 top of my platinum random teams i've lost 15 or so out of the past 20 or so games. I will try to continue these trends and see what comes of it.
Promotions often take more than just 50 games... especially if you're winning 95%. Many people misunderstand how the promotion system works. Many think that the higher your winratio, the faster you get promoted. Not necessarily true.
im top in bronze 4v4. about 40 wins. i go on 10 win streaks and then go 2-1 vs gold + players and no promotion. im gold 1v1 and dont understand why im still bronze 4v4.
On May 21 2011 03:59 Shahrazad wrote: I think a clear indication is when you start losing games against evenly matched players. Coming up from portrait farm, I have yet to play an evenly matched player (all slightly or completely favored), so while my ratio has fallen to a lowly 70% or so over the past 50 games (against gold and platinum, and now only against platinum), I am still in the bronze division I joined when I dropped ~80 games in a row. The promotion system just waits until you are going about 50/50 against evenly matched opponents, which requires quite a few losses versus favored opponents (or else you would just keep playing favored ones). I think this is why most people say you have to lose a bunch in a row if you're on a streak and just want to promote.
I don't see the point. If I'm just playing mid and high platinum, and the games are somewhat challenging, I really don't care if I'm in bronze. Bring on the diamond players.
Edit: I'm 12-7 over my past 19 (still all vs slightly favored)...so I expect over the next 30 or so games I dip below 50% and start seeing even matches, then get moved to platinum, or diamond if I'm really lucky :^)
Evenly matched does not mean that you are the same skill level. The thing you see before the game is an idication of how many points you'll receive or lose for winning or losing.
You and your opponent can both show each other as favored. This is one of the main examples in Exalibur's Thread. (it's comparing your MMR to your opponents converted point total) You can surely tell by the QUALITY of your opponent, but not by what b.net says the game is "worth". If you start playing people on your level you'll know you're close to evening out. Essentially the system matches you based on MMR, and then compares your MMR to your opponents points to decide how much the match is actually worth because the system wants to put your MMR and your Points to relatively the same area. This isn't on topic but your post doesn't really help.
I agree with you thought, people are way too caught up in ranks, but on the other hand why shouldn't they? They've put in the time and effort into playing and being better, I like to have something to show for my efforts..
I have the "Grandmasters Not Yet ranked" (been about 2 weeks). I plan to play some more 1v1's tonight, im like 10-1 in the past few games in the top of my gold division. In 2v2 top of my platinum random teams i've lost 15 or so out of the past 20 or so games. I will try to continue these trends and see what comes of it.
I agree, you and I are saying the same thing about player quality: While maybe only 10% of my opponents I feel really are outclassing me in games (and my game is improving pretty quickly itself...I think that some in that group 80 games ago I would just roll now), every single opponent is listed as slightly or totally favored, so I accumulate ladder points very quickly. And like you're saying, when the majority of my opponents are on par with me or better, I'll be ready to change leagues.
As far as having "something to show from my efforts"...for me, the thing to show is how skilled my opponent is. If I were only matched with one-basers who have 20 workers all game, I'd be pretty angry with bnet. In that regard, bnet does a very good job, as I'm slowly getting closer to having consistently challenging games. I would play on ladder just as much as I do now if there were no leagues or rankings. In fact, I'd much prefer a flat server rank based on nothing but MMR, but Blizzard would never do that because of the idiots out there who think that being in gold or platinum league means anything when they probably still have an MMR in the lower half. Those types would hate to see that they're player 523,345 out of a million. But I'd have much more fun if I saw myself move up 923 spots with a big win, etc.
I just love the people at the beginning of the thread telling the OP that his "MMR confidence must increase" or, "you need to lose some games at the end of a winning streak" like they know what his situation is without an inkling of knowledge of what's going on. I imagine that a lot of threads turn into flame-wars because of posters like this who post answers to questions when they haven't researched at all into the problem or even really read the specifics of the OP's situation to know that their advice isn't helpful.
The ladder is bugged right now. That is probably the best explanation of your situation, OP. Unlike the posters who overreacted and blinded posted irrelevant answers, I give you a source: http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/127572802
I have been winning a lot of games and I just met a diamond (I am in plat) beat him and then the game after I met a gold, beat him too. Checked both their profiles neither of them had a loss/winstreak. I find this kinda strange
On May 21 2011 05:05 Roflhaxx wrote: I have been winning a lot of games and I just met a diamond (I am in plat) beat him and then the game after I met a gold, beat him too. Checked both their profiles neither of them had a loss/winstreak. I find this kinda strange
So you played a low diamond and a high gold player. There's nothing strange about that, it's not as though there's some huge rift between leagues.
I made a thread about this a couple days ago but it closed and I was belittled by the residents of this fine forum. I'm a diamond player that plays exclusively 1k+ masters players, with about a 65% win ratio, and I've been stuck in diamond for weeks under these circumstances.
I think the ladder is locked.. On my 2nd account which is diamond; high golds and high plats are being favored in the match up. These players are by no means there displayed rank and i'd only assume they de-ranked themselves and actually are that of masters/diamond skillset (after games I was checking players ranks and getting pissed because "HOW IS A GOLD PLAYER FAVORED AND RAPING ME??".. then checking the replays after and noticing the skill does not match up to the ranking)
And when I do win/lose I do receive the correct points even if they are in a lower league. (eg. -4 for loss +36 for win).
There's definitely something going on. I haven't been promoted in 2 weeks. Top masters player here (1v1, 2v2, etc). I have a team with a friend of mine that we used to smurf. We were working our way up, reached rank 1 platinum, and have been playing top masters 2v2 ever since. That was 2 weeks ago. We have played 100+ wins ever since against nothing but top masters, no promotion.
I wasnt aware of this, Im rank 1 plat, and was doing well against high Diamonds and winning most losing some, there was no doubt I was at 50% win rate. I never got my promotion after doing pretty well, I just assumed I needed to play more games.
I also notice that in iNcontrols match history he faced a rank 1 platinum on ladder. Thats a bit fishy having a GM player face off against a platinum? ..the only things I can think of would be: that person was in masters and got demoted like 5 hours after they played (unlikely), or there is something really fishy going on with the MMR. I have been on a 17 game win streak in 2v2 but it has kept us as rank 1 silver even though we have been beating diamond, plat, and masters.
i'm hight platinium, was diamond one week ago, and just faced a hight bronze that playing very great with a pretty good macro, defenitly not a bronze . i dont know what going on with the ladder.
MMR is fine. The leagues status (promotions/demotions) just aren't working.
It started around the last friday, May 13th, so if you have this problem "for weeks" it's not the same problem. But the promotions/demotions are locked, I don't have a doubt about it.
OT: I've been playing beating plats and golds, and I'm a gold. I think my MMR is very close to the boundary between the two, and when I get a little bit better I'll be in platinum. I feel the leagues are stagnating though, but I think that the sense of tension now will turn into a great relief and sense of accomplishment when the promotions roll out.
On May 21 2011 04:56 ItsYoungLee wrote: I just love the people at the beginning of the thread telling the OP that his "MMR confidence must increase" or, "you need to lose some games at the end of a winning streak" like they know what his situation is without an inkling of knowledge of what's going on. I imagine that a lot of threads turn into flame-wars because of posters like this who post answers to questions when they haven't researched at all into the problem or even really read the specifics of the OP's situation to know that their advice isn't helpful.
The ladder is bugged right now. That is probably the best explanation of your situation, OP. Unlike the posters who overreacted and blinded posted irrelevant answers, I give you a source: http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/127572802
I don't think EricL, the blue poster in that thread, is directly addressing the league lock. He quoted the "not yet ranked" portion and reiterated that that would be addressed in a client patch. He didn't mention anything about the leagues themselves. This is basically something I wouldn't expect an official answer on, at least until it becomes an overwhelming problem (which it seems it's heading in that direction).
Could this be the same for arranged team and random team promotion too?
Ex: I've been #1 Diamond in my random 4's division for about a week now and I have a good winning % against masters. I know no one cares about team games, but it's a nice way to get your mind off of the 1v1's sometimes.
Well in the last fortnight i got promoted to silver and last week i got to gold so im not sure if the bug was happening last week but iv'e been promoted
Yesterday, both my new euro/kor accounts got promoted to masters, however not to gm yet. I would imagine that it is still locked, but odd that I got promoted on both accounts and no one else seems to be able to promote.
On May 21 2011 05:51 zolia wrote: i'm hight platinium, was diamond one week ago, and just faced a hight bronze that playing very great with a pretty good macro, defenitly not a bronze . i dont know what going on with the ladder.
Could you describe the game? That just might have been me :^)
I've been stomping platinum players left and right recently, and I'm in bronze.
On May 21 2011 06:51 Msr wrote: Yesterday, both my new euro/kor accounts got promoted to masters, however not to gm yet. I would imagine that it is still locked, but odd that I got promoted on both accounts and no one else seems to be able to promote.
Yesterday? Were these actual promotions, or season 2 placements?
I'm sitting in Rank 2 Gold playing against Plat and sometimes Diamond Players, or against some silver player with 1k+ points...gets funnier from day to day...
Sorry for bothering but all I want to know is is it possible to get into Grandmaster league after this much time or am I stuck in masters until season ends?
hmmm if you can't get promoted or demoted, I guess that would explain why I've been playing an increasing number of diamonds despite maintaining slightly over 50% win ratio. Playing tip top diamond players every few games had me scared for a moment that I was going to be demoted when in fact, there are people out there who can't get promoted =/.
So is this why I can't get into masters? Lol no I think not but anyhow I was gonna say I know my friends and I are playing a lot less recently and my friends list has been fairly empty when I log on it could be a down time in terms of users on bnet that might be messing things up?
My friend and I started a 2v2 team and we were placed in bronze and eventually worked out way up to silver.
Now we have developed a strategy, we win almost every game, even against gold and platinum. Strangely we were not promoted, but we kept going. In the last week we've been playing almost exclusively diamond and the occasional Masters 2v2. This is in silver.
Needless to say we got beat by masters and we kind of gave up for a few days. When we returned every single game we played for a whole day was vs bronze.
Yea.. I have one of top tier win/lose ratio and been winning at least half of the GM that I am facing. Pretty frustrating that ladder has been locked while I was ladder grinding.
Yeah ive been rank 1 diamond for 2 months now whilst playing successively higher ranking master league players, and i still havn't gotten promoted....i hope the ladder is locked and its not actually this hard to get into master league...at least that way when they fix it ill get promoted xD
Same problem here. Couple days ago i was like: "Okey now im going to play so much ladder and get promotion to Masters". Now i have played about 50 matches in 2 days and won about 40 of them but havent got promotion . Hopefully Blizzard fix this fast if its bug..
I am dealing with the same thing, I have been rank 1 gold for awhile and thought I was just stuck but I have been winning 75%+ of the last 40ish games vs plat diamond and am just getting higher and higher and not ranking up.
Oh, this is good to know, because it was really bothering me how I'm 1200 points in platinum, always playing top diamonds, going on huge win streaks, and still not being promoted.
And if dayvie said they locked it, did he mention when it would be unlocked?
I'm diamond playing aoproximatly 1000 point masters (decided Ill ladder to get bmed less)... And yep, no promotion after going maybe 25-20 vs them (and going 20-4 vs high diamond/low master before that)... Hopefully they get it fixed soon.
On May 21 2011 10:01 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think they locked it for the rapture. Will they be able to patch it after? I don't see that many blizz employees being taken away...
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote: if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion
No that is wrong! How do you think the people with 80-90% Win ratio gets into grandmasters?! Or how Pillage could hack himself to GM with 69-0?
I'm sorry but Piqliq is right. People need to pay attention to evidence that presents itself sometimes cause I still haven't seen anyone respond to this (unless I missed a post through my readings).
You can easily keep winning and get promoted. Point and case, I was 8-0 random 3s and on my 9th win in a row I got promoted to masters (See how that works?)
On May 21 2011 09:08 desrow wrote: Talked to dayvie, there was a bug they locked it and it was supose to be annouced.
Is this for sure? Can i add it to the OP?
I wouldn't. I think they don't want this info spread until they can make an official post on the matter (if it's in their plan to do that), but of course it may be too late for that :O
On May 21 2011 09:08 desrow wrote: Talked to dayvie, there was a bug they locked it and it was supose to be annouced.
Is this for sure? Can i add it to the OP?
I wouldn't. I think they don't want this info spread until they can make an official post on the matter (if it's in their plan to do that), but of course it may be too late for that :O
Alright thanks, i wont add to the OP till blizzard or whoever makes an announcement. Thanks for letting me know!
On May 21 2011 09:08 desrow wrote: Talked to dayvie, there was a bug they locked it and it was supose to be annouced.
Is this for sure? Can i add it to the OP?
I wouldn't. I think they don't want this info spread until they can make an official post on the matter (if it's in their plan to do that), but of course it may be too late for that :O
Alright thanks, i wont add to the OP till blizzard or whoever makes an announcement. Thanks for letting me know!
I would pu it on OP, God doesn't have to announce that Gravity exists in order to make us believe.
We are smart enough to see the evidences and make conclusions, in this case specifically there is zero doubt, leagues are indeed locked since May 12th/13th till ... who knows.
On May 21 2011 09:08 desrow wrote: Talked to dayvie, there was a bug they locked it and it was supose to be annouced.
Is this for sure? Can i add it to the OP?
I wouldn't. I think they don't want this info spread until they can make an official post on the matter (if it's in their plan to do that), but of course it may be too late for that :O
Alright thanks, i wont add to the OP till blizzard or whoever makes an announcement. Thanks for letting me know!
I would pu it on OP, God doesn't have to announce that Gravity exists in order to make us believe.
We are smart enough to see the evidences and make conclusions, in this case specifically there is zero doubt, leagues are indeed locked since May 12th/13th till ... who knows.
Yeah im gonna update the OP now, but im not gonna add the quote about dayvie yet, just incase.
On May 21 2011 10:01 Shellshock1122 wrote: I think they locked it for the rapture. Will they be able to patch it after? I don't see that many blizz employees being taken away...
On May 21 2011 12:08 youngminii wrote: Kinda funny how it was addressed and confirmed on the SEA battle.net forums before this thread was even started.
Many players didn't know anything about it, blizzard made no announcements in the NA / EU / KR areas, so how are we supposed to know?
altho i don't think i have this bug, over the last few days i've been matched up with altern hi bronze and hi plat (i'm in hi gold) so, those bronz ppl prolly have this bug, thanks for the post: i was wondering what was happening
This explains a lot, I was trying to lower my rank to plat so I could start playing terran (as I was growing tired of toss/zerg) and I couldn't understand why they were matching me against silver/gold when I was still in masters.
2) Bonus pool is still increasing at the same pace, normally, that also means that GM players are still being kicked from GM league as soon as they reach 181 bonus pool. But they cannot get into another league after that!
I wonder if that is why the GM page bugged out and why there was the creation of a second GM division...
If demotion was broken but promotion still worked then we would see this behavior. Also the natural quick fix would be to disable promotion until a true solution was found.
It seems that there are new leagues as well obviously to accommodate placement players. Went 4-1 in placement 2v1 and needed one more game to get to rank 1 Diamond in the league everybody else in there had barely played, so there ARE new leagues being made. Once placed we played high diamonds (we were favoured), and mid golds (they were favoured apparently), which is a bit strange to me.
Obviously team modes skew things about MMR wise, but it's still a bit weird at the moment.
I got my account back off my friend, who had me placed bronze 1v1 and I got up to silver in relatively few games, then the patch hit and I've been stuck there ever since. Even tested it by getting a masters friend to win a ton of games on the trot and no change. Then I screwed around to try and even it out by tanking games and bringing my MMR back down a bit, mass collosus drops and ridiculous things, and still no change.
Really badly worded, but might well be my first post. Great community here from a long time lurker!
Okay I re-read the OP and it's pretty wrong. If leagues are locked, they're locked for everyone. Also, the blue post linked in the OP does not address whether the leagues are locked or not, and it would take a pretty enormous leap to reach that conclusion. Please fix it.
On May 21 2011 13:36 Ubertron wrote: It seems that there are new leagues as well obviously to accommodate placement players. Went 4-1 in placement 2v1 and needed one more game to get to rank 1 Diamond in the league everybody else in there had barely played, so there ARE new leagues being made. Once placed we played high diamonds (we were favoured), and mid golds (they were favoured apparently), which is a bit strange to me.
Obviously team modes skew things about MMR wise, but it's still a bit weird at the moment.
I got my account back off my friend, who had me placed bronze 1v1 and I got up to silver in relatively few games, then the patch hit and I've been stuck there ever since. Even tested it by getting a masters friend to win a ton of games on the trot and no change. Then I screwed around to try and even it out by tanking games and bringing my MMR back down a bit, mass collosus drops and ridiculous things, and still no change.
Really badly worded, but might well be my first post. Great community here from a long time lurker!
League locks have never affected initial placement, so no surprise there.
Well yeah obviously I worded that badly but my point being that there is physical space for people moving around league to league if there is space for placement players.
I don't really know wtf the problem is, whether it's an intentional lock or some screwup as a result of other tweaks to the MMS. My initial thoughts were that it was to prevent people like that drop-hacker (sorry the name escapes me) flooding the higher leagues until they got a permanent fix, but that wouldn't really make sense proportionally. Anybody else got any theories on this?
On May 21 2011 13:49 crms wrote: Well this is a bummer. I was going to mass team games this weekend to get all the pretty master stars. Yeah I have OCD about profile. :O
Yeah, same here. I finally can play with my friends on CN server, and we plan to spend our weekend at a local PC bangs to get ourselves in Master. We were winning 70% for the last 15 games or so and still stuck in Plat. Well, hope that they will auto promote if our MMR is high enough once they sort this out.
On May 21 2011 13:46 Ubertron wrote: Well yeah obviously I worded that badly but my point being that there is physical space for people moving around league to league if there is space for placement players.
I don't really know wtf the problem is, whether it's an intentional lock or some screwup as a result of other tweaks to the MMS. My initial thoughts were that it was to prevent people like that drop-hacker (sorry the name escapes me) flooding the higher leagues until they got a permanent fix, but that wouldn't really make sense proportionally. Anybody else got any theories on this?
That's not how it works though. There is always "more room" for players. Leagues don't have quotas or anything. If your MMR falls within the range of a league, you get placed in that league. It's only league changes that are affected, not initial placement. But, players have to get placed after 5 games and go somewhere, or they'd be in the same situation as GM players who have fallen inactive who are literally in no league at all and not ranked anywhere. Even when the leagues were locked at the end of Season 1, players could still be placed in any league according to their MMR, they just couldn't change leagues.
is there an eta for a fix..considering its been down since the 13th im not feeling hopeful and its just demotivating to ladder when its like this, rank 1 gold fighting high diamond
On May 21 2011 14:14 mewby wrote: is there an eta for a fix..considering its been down since the 13th im not feeling hopeful and its just demotivating to ladder when its like this, rank 1 gold fighting high diamond
Just think of it this way the diamond players see your profile and see your are gold. What do they think? You get to troll them for free and fun.
Gold payer had some wins, got some Plat players and then the next match was vs Silver but Silver had 300 points on me and were as good or better than me. So even more info that league dose not matter.
It's pretty hilarious, I have around 1.4k points in my platinum division, playing only vs grandmasters now, I get SO much anger from people when they lose (OMFG HOW CAN I LOSE TO A PLATINUM NOOB?)
The MMR is still working as intended, so I'm assuming once ladder is fixed it will start to adjust everyone's league. So I wouldn't just stop playing the game because you can't get promoted/demoted.
FWIW I decided to learn zerg on my buddy's fresh account that he never logs into and I was placed into diamond after 5 matches. This diamond division was newly created as well, as there's only 50 people in it at the moment.
If MMRs are not locked, and a lot of players are playing against players from leagues well above theirs (Silvers vsing Plats, Golds vsing Diamonds, etc.), will there be a massive number of league changes to occur instantly as soon as this bug is fixed? Because it seems like there are is a fairly substantial number of players that are supposed to be promoted as well as demoted.
Additionally, if there is a sudden influx of league changes, will Battle.net be able to handle the sudden mass change...?
On May 21 2011 16:24 ViperaViRuS wrote: If MMRs are not locked, and a lot of players are playing against players from leagues well above theirs (Silvers vsing Plats, Golds vsing Diamonds, etc.), will there be a massive number of league changes to occur instantly as soon as this bug is fixed? Because it seems like there are is a fairly substantial number of players that are supposed to be promoted as well as demoted.
Additionally, if there is a sudden influx of league changes, will Battle.net be able to handle the sudden mass change...?
The number of players being promoted/demoted is always big in NA server, because there is so many players there. And the server will handle it just fine, it's like 100 times less stress than at new season when everyone needs a placement, right?
I don't think promotions and demotions or new placements put any stress on the server. Its not that big of a deal to change an attribute to an account.
On my second account I'm consistently beating masters (haven't played a diamond in about 60 games) but I'm still in plat from placements... When the ladder is unlocked will I be promoted straight into masters, or diamond first?
On a serious note, Blizzard does not actively engage with their community with releasing time tables. It could be next year or it could be in 5 minutes. The only thing that is certain is that it will be fixed, but the time table for it to be fixed will never be announced until it actually takes place.
On a serious note, Blizzard does not actively engage with their community with releasing time tables. It could be next year or it could be in 5 minutes. The only thing that is certain is that it will be fixed, but the time table for it to be fixed will never be announced until it actually takes place.
Yeah, very frustrating the amount of time they take to even just acknowledge they are working on certain technical issues.
Thats so funny, i played TheGod the other day on EU and he had a 80 percent win ratio against masters, and played about 100 games, but was still plat. I found it hilarious edit: his eu account is diamond
On May 21 2011 18:33 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Thats so funny, i played TheGod the other day on EU and he had a 80 percent win ratio against masters, and played about 100 games, but was still plat. I found it hilarious
Considering he's in GM now this bug should be fixed?
My mate on NA went 0-1 in his 1vs1 placement match this season (went 0-5 last season and didnt play anymore). hes now something like 18-6 and is still in bronze. if you go 0-5 at the start does it take much longer than say if you went 2-3 and got to 18-6? also can you skip a league entirely like go from gold to diamond? or do you need to play a couple of games in plat to go up to diamond? the whole system waiting for your MMR to settle explains alot.
On May 21 2011 20:21 EZR-Aeron wrote: My mate on NA went 0-1 in his 1vs1 placement match this season (went 0-5 last season and didnt play anymore). hes now something like 18-6 and is still in bronze. if you go 0-5 at the start does it take much longer than say if you went 2-3 and got to 18-6? also can you skip a league entirely like go from gold to diamond? or do you need to play a couple of games in plat to go up to diamond? the whole system waiting for your MMR to settle explains alot.
Your initial placement matches have a higher effect on your MMR than regular matches. So 2-3 in placement and 18-6 total would get you considerably higher MMR than 0-5 in placement and 18-6 total.
Note, however, that 24 matches are a really small sample size and unlikely (though very well possible) to get you promoted (or demoted) anywhere. The system accounts for winning and losing streaks. For example, on a couple different occasions I've had streaks of 10 matches won in a row without getting promoted any time soon.
You can skip a league entirely. The system doesn't promote you until it's relatively certain of where you're supposed to be. (When you're winning and losing consistently against players of that level.)
Same issue happening to me and my friend on 2v2, being stuck at Platinum and playing against Master players. Been playing for a few weeks now but still with no promotion to Diamond.
On May 21 2011 20:36 svefnleysi wrote: Your initial placement matches have a higher effect on your MMR than regular matches. So 2-3 in placement and 18-6 total would get you considerably higher MMR than 0-5 in placement and 18-6 total.
Note, however, that 24 matches are a really small sample size and unlikely (though very well possible) to get you promoted (or demoted) anywhere. The system accounts for winning and losing streaks. For example, on a couple different occasions I've had streaks of 10 matches won in a row without getting promoted any time soon.
You can skip a league entirely. The system doesn't promote you until it's relatively certain of where you're supposed to be. (When you're winning and losing consistently against players of that level.)
Ah rite. Although I placed into diamond on NA after going 5-0 this season and went something like 7-9 and got demoted into plat. wouldnve thought id have more of a shot to stay in diamond? clearly not.
oh i was thinking that there must be bug ur something. Just 3-4 days ago started playing 1v1 games, got placed in bronze, even tho i won my placement match. I got ~40wins and 3 losses against mostly gold/silver players and no still no promotion, started to feel kinda annoying
On May 21 2011 21:34 genesis900 wrote: Just 3-4 days ago started playing 1v1 games, got placed in bronze, even tho i won my placement match.
That placement match has nothing to with it. It doesn't determine which league you get in, it's only there to prevent inactive players froum cluttering the ladder. In terms of you mmr, it doesn't change it more than any other game.
On May 20 2011 17:06 vojnik wrote: if u have a winning row u need to loose some games as well for promotion
Absolutely wrong. I went on a bronze smurf, I won 200 games in a row and got from bronze directly to Gold and then right to Diamond into Masters. You don't need to lose a game. Though it will take longer to rank if you only have pure wins.
Ladders been locked all my life. I was playing Diamond level players when I was in silver, then they updated!. And i was still in silver. Played some more,...still in silver...came back a week later, played some more
On May 22 2011 02:21 jojoleb wrote: when will this ladder lock stop ? or should i continue playing normally ? i hate playing vs diamond players and not get promoted :S
You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.
You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.
Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch
You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.
Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch
Your promotion eligibility is based on your MMR. If you're in Bronze and facing Master level opponents all the time since this started happening, you would go straight to Diamond or Master once it's fixed.
You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.
Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch
Your promotion eligibility is based on your MMR. If you're in Bronze and facing Master level opponents all the time since this started happening, you would go straight to Diamond or Master once it's fixed.
@Excalibur_Z Still it's a shame. It means – according to your own findings – all the players that should be demoted/prmoted will have the exact same rating: 73+SeasonPool This is really a shame, because it's making the ratings even more meanlingless.
I'm +250 above my seasonpool so when I'm promoting it's actually a big loss in rating.
You can continue to play if you wish. Your MMR is not affected by this lock, only your ability to be promoted. The downside imo is that if you win alot of games, you will start facing much higher level opponents so that when promotions do come back it will most likely be much harder to be promoted due to the quality of players you are now facing. Personally I am just gonna wait so that I have a better shot at being promoted to master while facing the players at my level, rather than winning without the promotion and having to face upperclass master league players while trying to be promoted.
Surely with promotions being based on MMR it won't matter if you beat the people now vs. waiting till the fix. I really hope that if someone is supposed to be promoted based on their wins while pre-patch it will just promote them after their first win post-patch
Your promotion eligibility is based on your MMR. If you're in Bronze and facing Master level opponents all the time since this started happening, you would go straight to Diamond or Master once it's fixed.
@Excalibur_Z Still it's a shame. It means – according to your own findings – all the players that should be demoted/prmoted will have the exact same rating: 73+SeasonPool This is really a shame, because it's making the ratings even more meanlingless.
I'm +250 above my seasonpool so when I'm promoting it's actually a big loss in rating.
In the end it doesn't really matter. You'll lose 177 points right after promotion, but if your MMR is still higher than your new rating then you'll just earn more points for each game than you were before your promotion.
you know, OP, I feel really terrible and grateful for you. your experiment must have made you regret since you can't play many even skilled players anymore until it is fixed. (that account must have been wasted when you could use it for training off race) at the same time, I am grateful for you telling me that, I have been playing a lot last week against many golds and won most of them but still no promotion.
On May 22 2011 03:35 Excalibur_Z wrote: In the end it doesn't really matter. You'll lose 177 points right after promotion, but if your MMR is still higher than your new rating then you'll just earn more points for each game than you were before your promotion.
On May 20 2011 17:46 Morphs wrote: Same here. #1 platinum on EU, almost 100 points more then #2. Playing almost only (top) diamond and winning 50%-60% of that. Heck, I even was matched vs a Master League player the other day (lost though, but still).
There seems to be a problem with promotion.
your case is a good example that the system is working: 1. points dont matter in regards to promotion 2. you play top diamond with 50-60% = you are where you belong too 3. you got matched once vs. master so you had a win streak maybe (or the master a losing) and lost -> the systems now knows your not ready for master as you still lose vs. lower end master player
just keep cool and play because its fun not for beein promoted ...
If you have a 50-60% win ratio as TOP diamonds as a platinum, you are not in the right spot and will get promoted.
Im top 20 European diamond with 102-39 score and im in a winning streak against mid masters since 50 games ago... so yes there might be a problem with ladder...
On May 20 2011 17:59 Demonace34 wrote: I don't think everyone is bugged, but something has happened lately where some people and teams are playing way out of their leagues (bronze playing against diamond...etc) and not being demoted or promoted. Wonder if that hotfix actually is the problem.
This has been happening to me in 1v1, I am a high gold league playing all plat and mostly very high plat and this past week I have been matched up against two low bronze level players. Seemed extremely odd.
A friend of mine is playing the account I was smurfing on and he is pretty bad. He got demoted once(after placementmatch) but now he sits in plat with 3-50 or something. Even tho he started winning again recently he still is plat.
same thing is happening to me i am still in bronze but i've been playing gold players the last week or so and im still in bronze looks like forever bronze
People are constantly quoting that 'side-effect' post of blizzard about the "Not Ranked" bug.. it's getting old. So far no blue responses on the ladder lock yet..
Well that explains why I've been playing pure top 5 diamond and master league players for the past week, winning with a 75% win rate and yet I'm still in platinum. It also explains why I've played 1 silver and one bronze between two games against diamonds. I hope when it's fixed I am promoted. I've been working so hard for it.
On May 22 2011 10:19 Ben... wrote: Well that explains why I've been playing pure top 5 diamond and master league players for the past week, winning with a 75% win rate and yet I'm still in platinum. It also explains why I've played 1 silver and one bronze between two games against diamonds. I hope when it's fixed I am promoted. I've been working so hard for it.
Yeah I thought it was weird also how my games would go vs plat, vs diamond, then vs silver or gold. Guess this explains it.
I'm bronze, i've been facing gold and some plat these past days, i even faced a master and i have yet to see a promotion, i have been beating silver comfortably now for a while wich i'd say i would be well over the limit of how much i would need - although i am not entirely sure about it but it just all seems to me like there's something wrong, i am over 1500 points now aswell i hardly face any bronze, ugh !
Well I was playing a few days ago vs some platinum guy and I am high diamond facing masters now. Anyhow my MMR probably settled to high diamond, since I had a few loosing sprees against masters, so no promotion for me even if this is fixed.
It's not only a 1v1 issue. My mate and me are currently playing since like 30 games against top level masters and we get no promotion. We are currently global rank 1 diamond with ~1,1k pts.
I was just about to make a topic about this.. i've been up against master only the last 30 games and i've been rank 1 in 3v3(in the world) for quite some time.. figured it was a bug.
As noted in the patch notes, some players were being disconnected when they tried to view certain leagues and ladders pages. As a temporary fix, Blizzard set those pages to display, "Not yet ranked", instead of the actual page.
I'm guessing that Blizzard did this by telling the game that it was "in between seasons". That would mean the game thought it was the two week ranking period for Grandmaster's league, and that the other leagues were locked as well.
On May 20 2011 17:59 Demonace34 wrote: I don't think everyone is bugged, but something has happened lately where some people and teams are playing way out of their leagues (bronze playing against diamond...etc) and not being demoted or promoted. Wonder if that hotfix actually is the problem.
This has been happening to me in 1v1, I am a high gold league playing all plat and mostly very high plat and this past week I have been matched up against two low bronze level players. Seemed extremely odd.
I'm bronze playing mostly high gold. Expected to get promoted to silver a short while ago when I was beating them >50% of the timeafter I lost against a plat and went 1-2 against my first three golds. On NA a few months ago that was enough to stabilise my MMR enough for promotion to silver, but instead I just kept getting matched against golds until I started to win more. Now I've started hitting a few people in a similar situation to me as well (in silver or bronze but with all games in the history against gold or higher).
I guess now when it's unlocked I might get stright into gold.
On May 21 2011 16:24 ViperaViRuS wrote: If MMRs are not locked, and a lot of players are playing against players from leagues well above theirs (Silvers vsing Plats, Golds vsing Diamonds, etc.), will there be a massive number of league changes to occur instantly as soon as this bug is fixed? Because it seems like there are is a fairly substantial number of players that are supposed to be promoted as well as demoted.
Additionally, if there is a sudden influx of league changes, will Battle.net be able to handle the sudden mass change...?
The number of players being promoted/demoted is always big in NA server, because there is so many players there. And the server will handle it just fine, it's like 100 times less stress than at new season when everyone needs a placement, right?
Yes there is always a large number of players being promoted/demoted. But it's the same way that if a website has a lot of traffic typically, if you suddenly ramp up the amount of traffic on the website, if the servers cannot handle the huge spike in traffic, the website suddenly goes down. My question is basically addressing the same concept for the Battle.net servers.
If their servers are not ready to handle such a sudden spike of changes, is it possible that even after they fix the bug, will Battle.net possibly crash due to this fix?
has anyone been promoted grandmasters lately? http://sc2ranks.com/gm/ few cases: 1) RU-region grandmaster league only consist of like 100 ppl at this moment. It is because old grandmaster players get demoted cause of inactivity(that ladder specific case) but no new promotions. 2) EU competition to get in to grandmasters is huuuge, yet its not filled, while there are top masters that clearly should be grandmasters already.
okay that might explain. rank 1 diamond being consistently ranked vs masters for 2 weeks with no promotion. i thought i just wasnt doing well enough. has anyone gotten promoted in 1v1 lately??
I just lost to a guy on ladder afterwards he sent me a message saying that he just got promoted when he beat me. So maybe they fixed it? I have been stuck at rank 1 gold for a while now myself hitting nearly only plats and even a diamond.
On May 23 2011 09:31 Nontrivial wrote: I just lost to a guy on ladder afterwards he sent me a message saying that he just got promoted when he beat me. So maybe they fixed it? I have been stuck at rank 1 gold for a while now myself hitting nearly only plats and even a diamond.
You don't think he played his placement or something along those lines?
Nope I can look at his profile and see that he has 57 wins in 1v1s. Also in game he said he was gold (yes I still hit a few of those) and after when I look at his profile it says plat.
hope they fix this soon, been r1 in 1v1 and 4v4 for a very very very long time now..... and only meeting masters :@ wheres my promote! theres people in masters with 3-40 (alot) that shouldnt be there...
Am diamond (number 1 division, with 1.2k points) and my last 30 games goes something like this: 26 wins 4 losses out of the 26, 20 where GMS!, 4 masters and 2 diamonds. why am i diamond still? and do you guys think ill be promoted to GM instead of master when they fix this?
I just got a 1v1 smurf account I put into bronze by DCing to do some laddering with zerg (I main Terran). I was wondering why I don't have a promotion after being 30-1 (I lost one because of power outage t.t) ... lawl
On May 23 2011 10:49 Ex_Matt wrote: lol at people lying in this thread.
99.9% of battle.net players would never go 26-4 out of 30 games ever. I'd prop bet this with any degenerate gambler that isn't a sponsored player.
give me a brand new account(or used) and i will go and do it. The system wont pit me against GM players in 30 games, like my current one, and im not a sponsored player. Though some extra cash for MLG Columbus would be nice.
On May 23 2011 10:49 Ex_Matt wrote: lol at people lying in this thread.
99.9% of battle.net players would never go 26-4 out of 30 games ever. I'd prop bet this with any degenerate gambler that isn't a sponsored player.
What justification do you have for accusing people in this thread of lying? Are you just trolling?
I said it was an estimate and also i play in LA where the level is not that high. But indeed ive been winning vs GMS all week long. I guess the question or the topic is really about promotions and demotions which i hope they fix soon.
Pretty sure any average player can go 26-4 on a smurf account depending what server. At 30-2 on europe, I was still playing mid level grandmaster players, which are basically 55-60% average players. On USA Server, I would imagine 50-0 being easy.
That being said, do they have a time frame for when this will be fixed?
What justification do you have for accusing people in this thread of lying? Are you just trolling?
Because the mmr would never create matchups that would allow you to win at that ratio. LOL harder at people saying they'll smurf an account and do it. Well no shit. ANYONE can do that. Thats not even close to being legit so why the hell would I bet with someone who has an account with 0 games on it.
Some of you people will struggle a great deal growing up.
My friend let me borrow his account and I've won ~30 games in a row or so bronze rank one playing against Plat players on that account, was wondering what the cause for this was, I guess I found the answer.
On May 23 2011 11:50 B-Wong wrote: My friend let me borrow his account and I've won ~30 games in a row or so bronze rank one playing against Plat players on that account, was wondering what the cause for this was, I guess I found the answer.
it can take ages for that, even when the ladder is working properly
After playing mostly custom games, I jumped into my first game for Season 2. I lost against a top ranked gold player, and I was previously ranked gold. I was oddly promoted to mid-plat. MMR might be glitched. The top gold may have had a high MMR, but the system wouldn't allow him to be promoted.
I have a huge winning streak in gold against all platinum players, and have not gotten promoted yet. The ladder being locked would explain this, I was very confused.
me and my friend are playing gold league, we are 3# in the region 4# in the world gold league now, yesterday out of 10 games 7 against top masters, 3 against top diamond , no promotion, issues with promotion system are obvious, my friend co-player told me that there was some kind of announcement, i haven't seen it, but maybe some of you guys know, where we can read an announcements from blizzard of this sort. Thanks for you reply
What bothers me the most in this situation is why the Blizzard is not officially announcing that the ladders are locked.
Sure before people realized that the ladders were locked it was in PR sense probably a good idea not to announce it. But now when this information is available in several places I feel it is bad PR to be silent about it. For example there are several threads about this in Bnet forums for many regions. By not announcing it now makes me wonder if the bug for which they made the decision is so severe that they want to hide it for all costs.
Edit: replaced "all regions" with "many regions" as went only through US, EU and Sea forums.
I vote that all the mega gosu's who are balling it up with GM players after being previously (unfairly) placed in a much lower rating before the glitch also talk about all the chicks they've banged recently who would no doubt tell you about how awesome they were at giving them pleasure with their 11" penis's, you know, if they weren't mute. Dude, you guys are so awesome
I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
People care, because you could judge if you moved up in mmr by the league of your opponents. I am in gold right now and was playing a lot of plat. now im playing plat gold and silver and it makes it hard to judge if you are improving in skill or not.
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
That shiny icon is a beacon of progress and hope. You can't sit there and tell me your view is what others should all believe. Many people lose hope in their ability to get better and question their skill when they can't track progress and that's a demotivating factor. It's motivating to see yourself progress...
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
Because blizzard refuses to show my MMR. Show me an mmr, and ill stop worrying about the only tool i have to judge myself against my peers.
Yea, same problem in 1's. I screwed around in placement which I shouldn't have and went 1-4 and got put into bronze. I then won 5 straight and got into silver. Now I'm 2nd in my division in silver(I know doesn't matter) but Ive been on a huge winning streak beating mid range platinums, (I guess Ive gotten past gold?) but I don't league up. Any idea's why?
On May 20 2011 17:14 HaXXspetten wrote: Ironically, the system works like this: If you win too much, you can't get promoted. You won't get promoted until your new MMR has been balanced out so that the game know where to re-place you. If you're on a 15 winstreak vs Master Players etc, just keep playing. You will get ranked against players with higher and higher MMR. Eventually, you'll start losing. After you've lost a few games, the system will now be able to see where your new MMR lies. Knowing that you've improved isn't enough for a promotion. It has to know HOW MUCH you've improved. For example: I was placed in Plat in my 2v2Random after 5-0. I then went on to get 18-1, and was still in Plat, even though I got matched with players who still are around top 300 in EU (1v1). Then, I lost two games in a row, so I had 18-3. Got into Diamond. Won 2 more, lost 2 more: Masters. Solution: Just keep playing until you get defeated a few times. If you still don't get promoted, THEN it might be some sort of glitch, but not before that.
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
Because blizzard refuses to show my MMR. Show me an mmr, and ill stop worrying about the only tool i have to judge myself against my peers.
I think it would be kind of hard for blizzard to show you a MMR, because there's 6 different leagues. MMR usually works like rating and 1400 masters obviously isn't like 1400 bronze. Because of this I don't think they could really show you an accurate MMR.
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
Because blizzard refuses to show my MMR. Show me an mmr, and ill stop worrying about the only tool i have to judge myself against my peers.
I think it would be kind of hard for blizzard to show you a MMR, because there's 6 different leagues. MMR usually works like rating and 1400 masters obviously isn't like 1400 bronze. Because of this I don't think they could really show you an accurate MMR.
There shouldn't be any different leagues for MMR. MMR is a universal score through which your skill is determined.. it doesn't change if you switch leagues and doesn't just keep climbing to crazy amounts like your ladder rating. If it worked like ladder rating it would be just as worthless in judging skill and as such would be worthless for matchmaking as well, so it can't possibly be like that.
The only reason for them not to show it is because it would stagnate for many people who don't really improve so they'd be pissed. Same reason as not showing losses anymore.
They show your skill rating in HoN though for example and it's fine.. I guess blizzard is just too scared of losing countless amounts of mainstream gamers who never improve and just enjoy getting to Top10 in silver league after 500 games.
On May 23 2011 22:02 JadedZerg wrote: I think it would be kind of hard for blizzard to show you a MMR, because there's 6 different leagues. MMR usually works like rating and 1400 masters obviously isn't like 1400 bronze. Because of this I don't think they could really show you an accurate MMR.
MMR must be comparable across leagues because they match people across leagues. This doesn't preclude their storing it with some kind of league or division offset baked into it, but the math to compare MMR across leagues must be pretty simple, since they do it almost every time you hit the button.
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
Because blizzard refuses to show my MMR. Show me an mmr, and ill stop worrying about the only tool i have to judge myself against my peers.
I think it would be kind of hard for blizzard to show you a MMR, because there's 6 different leagues. MMR usually works like rating and 1400 masters obviously isn't like 1400 bronze. Because of this I don't think they could really show you an accurate MMR.
There shouldn't be any different leagues for MMR. MMR is a universal score through which your skill is determined.. it doesn't change if you switch leagues and doesn't just keep climbing to crazy amounts like your ladder rating. If it worked like ladder rating it would be just as worthless in judging skill and as such would be worthless for matchmaking as well, so it can't possibly be like that.
The only reason for them not to show it is because it would stagnate for many people who don't really improve so they'd be pissed. Same reason as not showing losses anymore.
They show your skill rating in HoN though for example and it's fine.. I guess blizzard is just too scared of losing countless amounts of mainstream gamers who never improve and just enjoy getting to Top10 in silver league after 500 games.
I guess I'd need to see what the MMR value actually is. I was under the impression that it would, in theory, be the same as your ladder rating after enough wins. Basically meaning MMR is your ladder rating but more dynamic. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing it.
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
Because blizzard refuses to show my MMR. Show me an mmr, and ill stop worrying about the only tool i have to judge myself against my peers.
I think it would be kind of hard for blizzard to show you a MMR, because there's 6 different leagues. MMR usually works like rating and 1400 masters obviously isn't like 1400 bronze. Because of this I don't think they could really show you an accurate MMR.
You're mixing up MMR and points. Someone in bronze with 1400 points isn't comparable to someone in master with 1400 points since points are devalued when you are promoted. MMR however is hidden and is what decides who you're matched against and when you're promoted. A bronze player with 1400 MMR and a master player with 1400 MMR wouldn't happen since if they have the same MMR, they should be in the same league, at least in the long run.
On May 23 2011 17:05 sm0b wrote: I don't see why people obsess about a shiny icon before they find a game. Your MMR is what counts, and when they fix the ladder bug if you were meant to get promoted today you will then.
Because blizzard refuses to show my MMR. Show me an mmr, and ill stop worrying about the only tool i have to judge myself against my peers.
I think it would be kind of hard for blizzard to show you a MMR, because there's 6 different leagues. MMR usually works like rating and 1400 masters obviously isn't like 1400 bronze. Because of this I don't think they could really show you an accurate MMR.
You're mixing up MMR and points. Someone in bronze with 1400 points isn't comparable to someone in master with 1400 points since points are devalued when you are promoted. MMR however is hidden and is what decides who you're matched against and when you're promoted. A bronze player with 1400 MMR and a master player with 1400 MMR wouldn't happen since if they have the same MMR, they should be in the same league, at least in the long run.
This and the fact that points only have to do with how much you play, not really how much you win. You could win 50% of your games and end up with 1400 points, or play a lot less games and win 60% and get 1400 points. People overvalue points imo.
On May 23 2011 10:49 Ex_Matt wrote: lol at people lying in this thread.
99.9% of battle.net players would never go 26-4 out of 30 games ever. I'd prop bet this with any degenerate gambler that isn't a sponsored player.
i know someone who went 28-1 in 1v1 ladder and got promoted to masters after that. half of the games he played, he was against mid tier master ranked players.
oh the fun of mmr shown. Bronze players with a mmr off 500 will complain because a silver players has 490, yes thats what i want. "Hey you only have an mmr of 1400 and i have 1420 i should have won you noob". I am quiet happy about the current system. And yay i was right about the bug .
The question currently in my mind is when this bug is fixed, will we all auto-promote when we log on to battle.net after the patch? Also, I don't have any epic stories about winning tons of 1v1s vs higher leaguers, but my 3v3 random definitely isn't leaguing up when it always did in the past at this point (right around rank 10 in my division currently, with a 70%+ W/L -- in the past, I would be promoted around rank 30-40 when my W/L was in a similar %). You eventually get a feel for when you should be promoted, and a lot of us are pretty sure when we think we deserve a higher league.
On May 23 2011 23:42 may0nnaise wrote: The question currently in my mind is when this bug is fixed, will we all auto-promote when we log on to battle.net after the patch? Also, I don't have any epic stories about winning tons of 1v1s vs higher leaguers, but my 3v3 random definitely isn't leaguing up when it always did in the past at this point (right around rank 10 in my division currently, with a 70%+ W/L -- in the past, I would be promoted around rank 30-40 when my W/L was in a similar %). You eventually get a feel for when you should be promoted, and a lot of us are pretty sure when we think we deserve a higher league.
may0nnaise angry!!111
Why we angry? I'd be grateful, you can still improve (albeit a bit less, but mechanic are most of it and skill of opponent is irrelevant) without worrying about being roflstomped by perfectly executed cheeses and timing pushes, it'd be like ladder heaven for me if I was stuck in a lower league for a bit.
Also usually it's promotion after one game played, except last month when the bronzies werent being promoted I believe it was automatic? 50/50 here. Either way, won't be long, if your MMR is actually good enough for a promotion.
3 Things... 1) To everyone that doesn't understand why someone would be so set on getting promoted: It is a symbol of achievement that some people use as their motivation to play. Results in a strong sense of accomplishment. If you don't have this and don't care what your league is...great, don't bash on people that do. 2) Please read the Thread before you post the same question that has been posted 17 times making this a very difficult thread to follow. 3) Keep in mind to everyone stating that they are playing some people with higher ranks...people get demoted too. If the person you played has had his mmr drop, he may be getting ready to demote not you getting ready to promote.
On May 23 2011 23:42 may0nnaise wrote: The question currently in my mind is when this bug is fixed, will we all auto-promote when we log on to battle.net after the patch?
Either automatic or after playing one match. So you'll know soon where you stand
On May 23 2011 23:42 may0nnaise wrote: The question currently in my mind is when this bug is fixed, will we all auto-promote when we log on to battle.net after the patch? Also, I don't have any epic stories about winning tons of 1v1s vs higher leaguers, but my 3v3 random definitely isn't leaguing up when it always did in the past at this point (right around rank 10 in my division currently, with a 70%+ W/L -- in the past, I would be promoted around rank 30-40 when my W/L was in a similar %). You eventually get a feel for when you should be promoted, and a lot of us are pretty sure when we think we deserve a higher league.
may0nnaise angry!!111
Why we angry? I'd be grateful, you can still improve (albeit a bit less, but mechanic are most of it and skill of opponent is irrelevant) without worrying about being roflstomped by perfectly executed cheeses and timing pushes, it'd be like ladder heaven for me if I was stuck in a lower league for a bit.
Also usually it's promotion after one game played, except last month when the bronzies werent being promoted I believe it was automatic? 50/50 here. Either way, won't be long, if your MMR is actually good enough for a promotion.
Wasn't serious about being angry. It's cool, I can wait as long as blizzard is actually working on the problem. Btw, the problem here is that people aren't facing their leaguemates any longer (even as they remain in the same league). They're facing people in much higher leagues than their own without getting a promotion for their increase in skill.
And yeah, I agree that the other possibility is getting promoted after your first match following the patch instead of an auto-promote.
What's the bet that when the patch goes live, we all crash battle.net due to high demand of promotions / demotions. That would be funny... for me... just cos
On May 24 2011 01:30 MurdeR wrote: I GOT PROMOTED!!!!
Not true... still waiting for fix
YOU BASTARD, my heart skipped a beat! Wtf. That's so cruel! D:
hahahha same here. My heart jumped. That is a sign of something wrong with us. Its just that ive fought and trained really hard to get out of Gold now, and i think ive done it by a large margin. I think im plat or diamond now so i want to see if im right or not.
On May 24 2011 02:55 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: any idea how this will affect my placement after i do my one placement game? i searched through the thread but didn't find any mention
You'll get placed in whichever league your MMR falls. It's basically just going to count the same as normal placement. You won't necessarily be re-placed in your old league.
On May 24 2011 02:55 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: any idea how this will affect my placement after i do my one placement game? i searched through the thread but didn't find any mention
Placement puts you in a league normally, but you won't be able to get out of it until they fix the promotion system, so make sure to win all 5 placement matches. :p
On May 24 2011 02:55 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: any idea how this will affect my placement after i do my one placement game? i searched through the thread but didn't find any mention
You'll get placed in whichever league your MMR falls. It's basically just going to count the same as normal placement. You won't necessarily be re-placed in your old league.
On May 24 2011 02:55 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote: any idea how this will affect my placement after i do my one placement game? i searched through the thread but didn't find any mention
Placement puts you in a league normally, but you won't be able to get out of it until they fix the promotion system, so make sure to win all 5 placement matches. :p
On May 24 2011 03:10 Manacakes wrote: Some people can NOT get promoted, there is definently a bug, cause there are so many people with this exact same problem. But not everyone
So not everyone have this problem?, i was under the impression that noone could get promoted?
The question currently in my mind is when this bug is fixed, will we all auto-promote when we log on to battle.net after the patch? Also, I don't have any epic stories about winning tons of 1v1s vs higher leaguers, but my 3v3 random definitely isn't leaguing up when it always did in the past at this point (right around rank 10 in my division currently, with a 70%+ W/L -- in the past, I would be promoted around rank 30-40 when my W/L was in a similar %). You eventually get a feel for when you should be promoted, and a lot of us are pretty sure when we think we deserve a higher league.
may0nnaise angry!!111
Why we angry? I'd be grateful, you can still improve (albeit a bit less, but mechanic are most of it and skill of opponent is irrelevant) without worrying about being roflstomped by perfectly executed cheeses and timing pushes, it'd be like ladder heaven for me if I was stuck in a lower league for a bit.
Also usually it's promotion after one game played, except last month when the bronzies werent being promoted I believe it was automatic? 50/50 here. Either way, won't be long, if your MMR is actually good enough for a promotion.
The thing is that the MMR does change, so even if you were stuck in the lower leagues, if you deserved to be in the higher league, all you will be playing are those leagues. You don't get stuck playing bronze players when your in bronze.
i know someone who went 28-1 in 1v1 ladder and got promoted to masters after that. half of the games he played, he was against mid tier master ranked players.
no you dont. You dont know anyone, you have no friends.
I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
i know someone who went 28-1 in 1v1 ladder and got promoted to masters after that. half of the games he played, he was against mid tier master ranked players.
no you dont. You dont know anyone, you have no friends.
Freddy McFriendless.
That must be the most clever ban avoidance name ever. BRAVO "Not"ExMatt
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
Occam's Razor suggests the former is correct because it assumes one error in the ladder rather than a whole bunch (read: you versus everyone you play).
I just tried to play 2 games where it would find a match then the countdown would freeze at 0 seconds and i would disconnect 5 minutes later and get a loss....
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
I considered that too, but given the amount of people *only* playing people a league or more higher than them I'm willing to believe there's a wider issue. I'm still playing and hoping for promo, but I'm in Silver league, and haven't played anyone in Bronze or Silver for a long time now.
For myself, I'm being placed against Diamonds and Plats, that's three leagues higher than I'm in. Are you seriously suggesting that all of us are suddenly facing these players who're all suddenly losing the ability to play by several leagues worth of skill at the same time?
On May 24 2011 03:39 Fission wrote: I really wish there was a "report post" button sometimes (
@random user: that's a pretty interesting point and I think people should definitely consider it before getting outraged lol
There is a report post button. Im not sure what the pre-requisite is for being able to use it, but im assuming its post count. I dont have 2000 posts yet but ive been able to report posts for quite a while now.
On May 24 2011 03:39 Fission wrote: I really wish there was a "report post" button sometimes (
@random user: that's a pretty interesting point and I think people should definitely consider it before getting outraged lol
There is a report post button. Im not sure what the pre-requisite is for being able to use it, but im assuming its post count. I dont have 2000 posts yet but ive been able to report posts for quite a while now.
The prerequisite is user age. You'll get a report button when your account is 1 year old.
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
Occam's Razor suggests the former is correct because it assumes one error in the ladder rather than a whole bunch (read: you versus everyone you play).
That sort of works except that everyone is being affected by this bug. Which means that everyone is going to deviate from where they should be. At this point, I have stopped looking at a person's league after a match because after 10 days or whatever, it's like trying to figure out where someone lives now by looking at data which told you where they lived 10 years ago.
Sure, for some people it's going to be accurate because you have a general sense of where they were 10 days ago, but the data is so obsolete at this point I think trying to determine where you stand by looking at where people were 10 days ago, just by simple probability a non insignificant number of people are going to be wrong.
On top of that, some people have a funny way of discarding information they don't like. So if someone plays 6 plats, 1 diamond, and 3 golds, they think they are playing mostly plats and diamonds, which is true, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that.
I'm sure that some people are quite right that they should be promoted, and it wasn't my intention to dispute that. But I think that it's funny and ironic that EVERYONE (or at least everyone who posts) thinks that.
Edit: it's sort of like that thing where something like depending on what specifically you ask, 70-90% of respondents will believe that they are better than average drivers etc.
so now I'm going to assume that when I check someone I just faced and beat.. and if they're platinum.. that REALLY they're grandmaster and I'm just that good!
On May 24 2011 03:40 Ryze wrote: I just tried to play 2 games where it would find a match then the countdown would freeze at 0 seconds and i would disconnect 5 minutes later and get a loss....
anyone else encounter this?
I find all sorts of weird issues these days on ladder, and I think bnet is having some small problems.
I rolled a fast-expanding protoss the other day as zerg, and did an offensive "gg" when he wasn't leaving although the game was clearly over. He had a hidden expo where he built many cannons and made a feeble attempt at a comeback, so I clobbered the base with hydra drops as he raced his probe around the map in a warp prism building pylons.
I left the last pylon with less than 10 health and wrote EZ and GG in creep tumors while teching to ultras so I could make them /cheer and /dance before finishing the game. Then I killed the pylon after dancing my ultras around it a bit.
I got points for the win, and points came off my bonus pool, but the match does not appear in my history.
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
Occam's Razor suggests the former is correct because it assumes one error in the ladder rather than a whole bunch (read: you versus everyone you play).
That sort of works except that everyone is being affected by this bug. Which means that everyone is going to deviate from where they should be. At this point, I have stopped looking at a person's league after a match because after 10 days or whatever, it's like trying to figure out where someone lives now by looking at data which told you where they lived 10 years ago.
Sure, for some people it's going to be accurate because you have a general sense of where they were 10 days ago, but the data is so obsolete at this point I think trying to determine where you stand by looking at where people were 10 days ago, just by simple probability a non insignificant number of people are going to be wrong.
On top of that, some people have a funny way of discarding information they don't like. So if someone plays 6 plats, 1 diamond, and 3 golds, they think they are playing mostly plats and diamonds, which is true, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that.
I'm sure that some people are quite right that they should be promoted, and it wasn't my intention to dispute that. But I think that it's funny and ironic that EVERYONE (or at least everyone who posts) thinks that.
Edit: it's sort of like that thing where something like depending on what specifically you ask, 70-90% of respondents will believe that they are better than average drivers etc.
Yeah, it's definitely not enough to just take a quick look at the other player's league badge to get an idea of their skill anymore during this period. You now have to look at that player's history over his past few games and take note of who he's been playing, and perhaps even who his opponents have been playing. The info should get more and more accurate with each step.
That makes me feel so much better! #1 in my diamond group by a mile, favored against top 50 masters players, and no promotion for the last three weeks of this! Can't wait for Pillage to be fixed from Grandmaster ><
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
Occam's Razor suggests the former is correct because it assumes one error in the ladder rather than a whole bunch (read: you versus everyone you play).
That sort of works except that everyone is being affected by this bug. Which means that everyone is going to deviate from where they should be. At this point, I have stopped looking at a person's league after a match because after 10 days or whatever, it's like trying to figure out where someone lives now by looking at data which told you where they lived 10 years ago.
Sure, for some people it's going to be accurate because you have a general sense of where they were 10 days ago, but the data is so obsolete at this point I think trying to determine where you stand by looking at where people were 10 days ago, just by simple probability a non insignificant number of people are going to be wrong.
On top of that, some people have a funny way of discarding information they don't like. So if someone plays 6 plats, 1 diamond, and 3 golds, they think they are playing mostly plats and diamonds, which is true, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that.
I'm sure that some people are quite right that they should be promoted, and it wasn't my intention to dispute that. But I think that it's funny and ironic that EVERYONE (or at least everyone who posts) thinks that.
Edit: it's sort of like that thing where something like depending on what specifically you ask, 70-90% of respondents will believe that they are better than average drivers etc.
Yeah, it's definitely not enough to just take a quick look at the other player's league badge to get an idea of their skill anymore during this period. You now have to look at that player's history over his past few games and take note of who he's been playing, and perhaps even who his opponents have been playing. The info should get more and more accurate with each step.
Generally speaking the ranking is still fairly accurate. If you have been laddering you will be where you're supposed to be, and it really only effects people who have been custom 1v1'ing and now decided to ladder. It did effect me but I don't think it's the biggest deal if it will be resolved soon.
Is it unusual to only face people who are 'even match' with you. I have only face 2 slightly favored people this entire season. It seemed like I face a lot more last season, but maybe not :/
On May 24 2011 03:40 Ryze wrote: I just tried to play 2 games where it would find a match then the countdown would freeze at 0 seconds and i would disconnect 5 minutes later and get a loss....
anyone else encounter this?
I find all sorts of weird issues these days on ladder, and I think bnet is having some small problems.
I rolled a fast-expanding protoss the other day as zerg, and did an offensive "gg" when he wasn't leaving although the game was clearly over. He had a hidden expo where he built many cannons and made a feeble attempt at a comeback, so I clobbered the base with hydra drops as he raced his probe around the map in a warp prism building pylons.
I left the last pylon with less than 10 health and wrote EZ and GG in creep tumors while teching to ultras so I could make them /cheer and /dance before finishing the game. Then I killed the pylon after dancing my ultras around it a bit.
I got points for the win, and points came off my bonus pool, but the match does not appear in my history.
Have experienced that too for quite some time and it's not a new bug. Dont know if it goes on your rating or not. Have not found out the reason or even singled out possibilities for why, but not topic related atleast.
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
Actually I know for a fact that several of the people I'm facing are in the incorrect league. I'm high plat at the moment, and winning against plats/diamonds, and occasionally playing #1 bronze leaguers, who are obviously stuck.
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
Yea total nonsense if you are sitting on top of your division with 300+ points difference to #2, you should really wait for your opponents to get demoted soon. It's widely known that SC2 is a game where you get more likely demoted than promoted, ironic not?
On May 24 2011 04:24 StrangrDangr wrote: Is it unusual to only face people who are 'even match' with you. I have only face 2 slightly favored people this entire season. It seemed like I face a lot more last season, but maybe not :/
I've noticed this too! It used to be that everyone I played was either favored against me or I was slightly favored against them. I didn't even know that there was an "Even Match" rating until I'd played at least 50 games, but it's all I see now.
Maybe the game is figuring out how precisely it knows my skill level as I play more games and is thereby zeroing in on people I should be able to beat half the time.
I've been in platinum playing as zerg on my alternate account and have been playing the heck out of 1v1. Playing diamonds every single game, definitely with a record above .500. Probably close to 200 games in the last couple weeks (not sure when the bug started).
Also I'm like 600 points above rank 2 in the division.
You guys are making fun of him and you don't understand what is going on. I was grandmaster and got demoted due inactivity. I kept playing these days to get placed in a league and I still have no 1v1 league. I was just not placed anywhere. What now, flamers? Am I SO BAD that I don't even deserve a league? What is gonna be the excuse?
On May 24 2011 04:42 Kishuu wrote: You guys are making fun of him and you don't understand what is going on. I was grandmaster and got demoted due inactivity. I kept playing these days to get placed in a league and I still have no 1v1 league. I was just not placed anywhere. What now, flamers? Am I SO BAD that I don't even deserve a league? What is gonna be the excuse?
That's kind of a special case for Grandmaster players, because there's a forced ejection once you exceed 180 bonus pool. After your first game following your ejection, you should get demoted into a different league, but because demotions appear to be frozen, you're stuck in limbo and have no league association at all.
On May 24 2011 04:42 Kishuu wrote: You guys are making fun of him and you don't understand what is going on. I was grandmaster and got demoted due inactivity. I kept playing these days to get placed in a league and I still have no 1v1 league. I was just not placed anywhere. What now, flamers? Am I SO BAD that I don't even deserve a league? What is gonna be the excuse?
Seriously? I feel like new players not getting placed would make headlines a lot faster than this did. Maybe it's bug that is specific to your somewhat unusual case. Maybe you're trolling a bit. The world may never know...
EDIT: Ninja'd by a burrowed banling! Well played, sir. Well played.
I have been wondering if there is any truth to the ladder lock because I'm in bronze rank 1 and didnt feel like I belong there. So I created a trial acc today to redo placement matches and see where I get placed. I went 4-1 and got put into plat I'm going to play alot of games tonight and see what happens.
nah guys, I'll vouch for it, whatever it's worth. it's very true.. I'm like 350pts above 2nd place in gold. have been for about 3 weeks now. been playing purely high diamonds for a week. if the ladder isn't bugged, it's surely broken :\
On May 24 2011 04:26 dcrowe wrote: Actually I know for a fact that several of the people I'm facing are in the incorrect league. I'm high plat at the moment, and winning against plats/diamonds, and occasionally playing #1 bronze leaguers, who are obviously stuck.
This is exactly my situation aswell, but thats on EU. It seems most people in this thread are from NA servers, however i'm facing everything from 1400 point bronze league to, usually diamond latly. The bronze league dude was not on a particularly insane winstreak either, he had some losses thrown in there (a pretty impressive ratio, but not the kind that will make the MMR confused).
MYMClouD is the best example of the problem I think. He is ranked 1 in GM league on EU, but on NA he is stuck in Diamond. 1,800+ points, more than 900 ahead of the guy below him, and 1,400 ahead of the guy below that. Definitely something wrong there if the GM leader is stuck in Diamond league ><
Let's hope the new patch going live on SEA now comes quickly to the other servers and fixes it up
On May 24 2011 07:58 DubsteP wrote: are there any SEA players that can verify if its fixed after the patch goes live? ^_^
The league lock is not associated with the patch. The league lock is a hotfix and is done on the server end. They will probably unlock once all regions get this patch (if the patch does indeed fix everything).
On May 24 2011 07:58 DubsteP wrote: are there any SEA players that can verify if its fixed after the patch goes live? ^_^
The league lock is not associated with the patch. The league lock is a hotfix and is done on the server end. They will probably unlock once all regions get this patch (if the patch does indeed fix everything).
Everything including the input error hopefully :D Hope to see this stuff resolved soon ^^
If anything I suppose we can wait for season 3.. New GM~
Due to an issue with the Grandmaster league we’ve temporarily locked league reassignments. This means that all ranked games are correctly awarding (and subtracting) points, all changes to player’s internal matchmaking rating continue to be made, but the ability to be promoted/demoted to a different league is temporarily on-hold. When this lock is released, the next win will process the correct standing and any league reassignments will be carried out as they would have.
We currently have a hotfix for the Grandmaster issue in testing, and expect it to be implemented very soon. Once the fix is in and verified the lock will be removed and league standings will continue as normal. We’ll make another announcement at that time.
It’s important to note, again, that your games played now continue to count toward your standing and a possible league reassignment.
On May 23 2011 10:49 Ex_Matt wrote: lol at people lying in this thread.
99.9% of battle.net players would never go 26-4 out of 30 games ever. I'd prop bet this with any degenerate gambler that isn't a sponsored player.
I have gone on fairly long runs of 80%+ wins twice. The first time was when I worked out that I should be making multiple production facilities and that this wouldn't mean I'd run out of resources. That lasted for about 80 games (10W70L->80W80L) . The next time was a result of learning to a-move. Because these were discrete skills which incresed my skill immediately upon acquisition it took my MMR a while to catch up. There are many other skills which can be learnt suddenly. I would contend that at least 20% of players are likely to have this kind of run at some point, either as the system works out where they are or as the system re-evaluates after a skill jump.
Okay thanks to the forum mods here for closing my post on this topic. My post was correct and truthful after all and mods just bashed me for false info and closed my post. Now I understand how the mods react.
On May 24 2011 03:32 random user wrote: I think it's funny and ironic that pretty much everyone (who posts at least) who is, for example, in gold and facing more and more plats and some diamonds, believes that they belong in plat and the people they are facing are in the correct league, rather than thinking that they are in the correct league, and that at least some of the people they are facing are in the incorrect league.
Occam's Razor suggests the former is correct because it assumes one error in the ladder rather than a whole bunch (read: you versus everyone you play).
That sort of works except that everyone is being affected by this bug. Which means that everyone is going to deviate from where they should be. At this point, I have stopped looking at a person's league after a match because after 10 days or whatever, it's like trying to figure out where someone lives now by looking at data which told you where they lived 10 years ago.
Sure, for some people it's going to be accurate because you have a general sense of where they were 10 days ago, but the data is so obsolete at this point I think trying to determine where you stand by looking at where people were 10 days ago, just by simple probability a non insignificant number of people are going to be wrong.
On top of that, some people have a funny way of discarding information they don't like. So if someone plays 6 plats, 1 diamond, and 3 golds, they think they are playing mostly plats and diamonds, which is true, but I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that.
I'm sure that some people are quite right that they should be promoted, and it wasn't my intention to dispute that. But I think that it's funny and ironic that EVERYONE (or at least everyone who posts) thinks that.
Edit: it's sort of like that thing where something like depending on what specifically you ask, 70-90% of respondents will believe that they are better than average drivers etc.
The people who are likely to be demoted after the unlock are unlikely to come to a thread like this and complain about it not happening sooner are they? The only people I've seen posting to that effect are portrait farmers or people wanting to demote to learn a new race.
Checking opponents match history can help to establish where the error in placement most likely lies. I have been doing this for months. Using the average rank of your opponents' opponents to judge their skill can avoid the errors associated with locked leagues as relatively few people change leagues in any given fortnight and using the process iteratively can be used to evaluate anomalies.
I'm myself expecting promotion when the ladder is unlocked and I know a silver player in the same case who is playing platinum both of use played multiple games on the new patch, no promotion take what you will from that. (SEA server)
On May 24 2011 09:25 nepts2 wrote: Okay thanks to the forum mods here for closing my post on this topic. My post was correct and truthful after all and mods just bashed me for false info and closed my post. Now I understand how the mods react.
Don't be dumb. You posted a thread called "ladder promotion bug fixed!!" which is misleading in itself, then an equally vague link to a blue post where they're looking into it and somehow your analysis in the OP is "by tomorrow probably". Ares was right to close that thread. Besides, this is the thread where we're discussing the league lock.
On May 23 2011 10:49 Ex_Matt wrote: lol at people lying in this thread.
99.9% of battle.net players would never go 26-4 out of 30 games ever. I'd prop bet this with any degenerate gambler that isn't a sponsored player.
I have gone on fairly long runs of 80%+ wins twice. The first time was when I worked out that I should be making multiple production facilities and that this wouldn't mean I'd run out of resources. That lasted for about 80 games (10W70L->80W80L) . The next time was a result of learning to a-move. Because these were discrete skills which incresed my skill immediately upon acquisition it took my MMR a while to catch up. There are many other skills which can be learnt suddenly. I would contend that at least 20% of players are likely to have this kind of run at some point, either as the system works out where they are or as the system re-evaluates after a skill jump.
LOL those are pretty big "discoveries" =p. It's like discovering the wheel and fire on two separate occasions and reaping the benefits.
Damnit I'm really scared. I've been facing plats and diamonds since I got my new computer on Friday and I'm in masters league. Maybe my MMR isn't horrible enough to get me demoted..../sigh I wish I could be one of those people whining about not being promoted--would be much better than being scared of being demoted to diamond.
On May 24 2011 10:04 nepts2 wrote: Okay Mr.Analyst. I will not post from now on. My apology is behalf on your intelligence.
User was banned for this post.
ROFL. OT: I do not believe that the bug is as serious as people think, as they are still getting MMR Luke they were at the end of season 1. I also do not believe everyone on this thread is telling the truth, as it is highly unlikely that there are suddenly hundreds of players that are suddenly playing 3 leagues higher. Although it is possible. I myself have an 80% win rate since reaching gold.
On May 24 2011 10:25 TheAwesomeTemplar wrote: OT: I do not believe that the bug is as serious as people think, as they are still getting MMR Luke they were at the end of season 1. I also do not believe everyone on this thread is telling the truth, as it is highly unlikely that there are suddenly hundreds of players that are suddenly playing 3 leagues higher. Although it is possible. I myself have an 80% win rate since reaching gold.
its just really disappointing seeing holes in the GM league and grinding like mad, and no one is filling them across the entire server lol.
wonder if that patch fixes the issue and the lock gets removed. since no one has confirmed it yet on sea =/
It's probably more common than you think. In my case I just switched from Zerg to Terran (not trying to start a balance discussion, I was just terrible at playing zerg). I was getting super pissed that I didn't get promoted, I actually decided to stop playing SC2 cause of this until I saw this thread, lol.
Due to an issue with the Grandmaster league we’ve temporarily locked league reassignments. This means that all ranked games are correctly awarding (and subtracting) points, all changes to player’s internal matchmaking rating continue to be made, but the ability to be promoted/demoted to a different league is temporarily on-hold. When this lock is released, the next win will process the correct standing and any league reassignments will be carried out as they would have.
We currently have a hotfix for the Grandmaster issue in testing, and expect it to be implemented very soon. Once the fix is in and verified the lock will be removed and league standings will continue as normal. We’ll make another announcement at that time.
It’s important to note, again, that your games played now continue to count toward your standing and a possible league reassignment.
Looks to me like this patch is rolling out just as a coincidence. The problem is most likely server side and we'll see the unlock within the next 2 days, separate from the actual patch.
Due to an issue with the Grandmaster league we’ve temporarily locked league reassignments. This means that all ranked games are correctly awarding (and subtracting) points, all changes to player’s internal matchmaking rating continue to be made, but the ability to be promoted/demoted to a different league is temporarily on-hold. When this lock is released, the next win will process the correct standing and any league reassignments will be carried out as they would have.
We currently have a hotfix for the Grandmaster issue in testing, and expect it to be implemented very soon. Once the fix is in and verified the lock will be removed and league standings will continue as normal. We’ll make another announcement at that time.
It’s important to note, again, that your games played now continue to count toward your standing and a possible league reassignment.
^ This means don't stop playing games just because the leagues are locked you dumb faces! Your games are not getting lost!
EDIT: Ladder is locked
David Kim (dayvie) has also said to some people that the ladder is indeed locked due to a bug.
Original post: Hello, i was wondering if anyone is experiencing what i am?
I'm high plat, playing vs high masters, no rank up. I know what you're thinking, just keep playing and you will rank up eventually.
Well me and my friend are smurfing on other accounts. In 2v2 we lost all 5 of our matches so we could be placed in bronze. We've been doing 3 roach rush w/ speedlings and we have won ALOT of games, like 95% win ratio
We are still in bronze and we are playing high diamond / master teams.
Also, i took some quotes from the battle.net forums.;;
As noted in the patch notes, some players were being disconnected when they tried to view certain leagues and ladders pages. As a temporary fix, Blizzard set those pages to display, "Not yet ranked", instead of the actual page. However, as a side effect of this temporary fix, players who were affected can no longer be promoted at least from platinum to diamond. As evidence, I am rank 1 in platinum by 200+ points for 2 weeks, have won 15 games in a row against diamond and master players, most of them high diamond. Blizzard has promised to fix the grandmaster viewing issue in the next patch, but I don't know if they are aware of the promotion bug.
This is definitly a bug, I know a few people stuck in plat and gold, playing all master league. There is no promotion, this is 100% glitch that NEEDS to be fixed.
I am also having the same problem with my 4's. we are in bronze. rank 1. we vs. Diamond/master teams. we win all the time. and no promotion.
Also ive been hearing stories of people in diamond or whatever trying to derank to bronze (portrait farmers, want to try new race etc) and losing 50+ games on purpose with no derank.
I didn't see a post of this, i searched and stuff. is this a known bug? or am i just dumb and missing something completely?
Thanks!
If any of you noticed, Blizzard issued this notice the day after PiLLaGe got dropped out of Grandmasters League due to 180 bonus points! It's sad that Blizzard was unable to force PiLLaGe out of Grandmaster besides lock up his account and wait 2 weeks. Sigh~~ =(
It is locked for sure. There are just too many people that have not been promoted when they definitely should of been. I am playing Gold and Plat level players with an 80% win rate in silver and have not been promoted. I have a friend in bronze playing only gold players with an 80% win rate. My 2v2 with my friend we are facing only Gold and Plat winning around 90% of our games and we have not been promoted out of bronze. The fact that people are like "your confidence isn't secured in that league yet" or " your MMR hasn't settled yet" you need to maybe read the blue posts once in a while. Blizzard has said on atleast 2-3 occasions and 1 formal occasion that the ladder is LOCKED and until they fix the issue no one is being promoted. You are still getting points for each win or losing points for each loss but they wont be taken into account until the ladder is unlocked. So keep laddering and if you keep winning it can only get better.
Due to an issue with the Grandmaster league we’ve temporarily locked league reassignments. This means that all ranked games are correctly awarding (and subtracting) points, all changes to player’s internal matchmaking rating continue to be made, but the ability to be promoted/demoted to a different league is temporarily on-hold. When this lock is released, the next win will process the correct standing and any league reassignments will be carried out as they would have.
We currently have a hotfix for the Grandmaster issue in testing, and expect it to be implemented very soon. Once the fix is in and verified the lock will be removed and league standings will continue as normal. We’ll make another announcement at that time.
It’s important to note, again, that your games played now continue to count toward your standing and a possible league reassignment.
^ This means don't stop playing games just because the leagues are locked you dumb faces! Your games are not getting lost!
EDIT: Ladder is locked
David Kim (dayvie) has also said to some people that the ladder is indeed locked due to a bug.
Original post: Hello, i was wondering if anyone is experiencing what i am?
I'm high plat, playing vs high masters, no rank up. I know what you're thinking, just keep playing and you will rank up eventually.
Well me and my friend are smurfing on other accounts. In 2v2 we lost all 5 of our matches so we could be placed in bronze. We've been doing 3 roach rush w/ speedlings and we have won ALOT of games, like 95% win ratio
We are still in bronze and we are playing high diamond / master teams.
Also, i took some quotes from the battle.net forums.;;
As noted in the patch notes, some players were being disconnected when they tried to view certain leagues and ladders pages. As a temporary fix, Blizzard set those pages to display, "Not yet ranked", instead of the actual page. However, as a side effect of this temporary fix, players who were affected can no longer be promoted at least from platinum to diamond. As evidence, I am rank 1 in platinum by 200+ points for 2 weeks, have won 15 games in a row against diamond and master players, most of them high diamond. Blizzard has promised to fix the grandmaster viewing issue in the next patch, but I don't know if they are aware of the promotion bug.
This is definitly a bug, I know a few people stuck in plat and gold, playing all master league. There is no promotion, this is 100% glitch that NEEDS to be fixed.
I am also having the same problem with my 4's. we are in bronze. rank 1. we vs. Diamond/master teams. we win all the time. and no promotion.
Also ive been hearing stories of people in diamond or whatever trying to derank to bronze (portrait farmers, want to try new race etc) and losing 50+ games on purpose with no derank.
I didn't see a post of this, i searched and stuff. is this a known bug? or am i just dumb and missing something completely?
Thanks!
If any of you noticed, Blizzard issued this notice the day after PiLLaGe got dropped out of Grandmasters League due to 180 bonus points! It's sad that Blizzard was unable to force PiLLaGe out of Grandmaster besides lock up his account and wait 2 weeks. Sigh~~ =(
Its only 180?
How come that I saw Thorzain on Eu week or so ago with 450 pool and no games played still in GM? :o
I'm on SEA, patch didn't do anything. Has a new weird bug though -- after games tells myself and everyone else I know that we're rank 100 in division, lol..
I feel like I lost a possible chance at getting grandmaster.
Unlike other leagues, that anyone can get in to given the right skill/MMR, you can only qualify for GM league at the start of the season and when someone drops out due to 2 weeks of inactivity, which will probably not happen all that often.
On May 23 2011 10:49 Ex_Matt wrote: lol at people lying in this thread.
99.9% of battle.net players would never go 26-4 out of 30 games ever. I'd prop bet this with any degenerate gambler that isn't a sponsored player.
I have gone on fairly long runs of 80%+ wins twice. The first time was when I worked out that I should be making multiple production facilities and that this wouldn't mean I'd run out of resources. That lasted for about 80 games (10W70L->80W80L) . The next time was a result of learning to a-move. Because these were discrete skills which incresed my skill immediately upon acquisition it took my MMR a while to catch up. There are many other skills which can be learnt suddenly. I would contend that at least 20% of players are likely to have this kind of run at some point, either as the system works out where they are or as the system re-evaluates after a skill jump.
LOL those are pretty big "discoveries" =p. It's like discovering the wheel and fire on two separate occasions and reaping the benefits.
It's closer to discovering that you can eat and breathe.
Awesome. I'm glad it's going to unlock. Now let's see how many people can confirm that indeed they were right about being in the position to be promoted.
I've got a ~65% win ratio in diamond in my last 56 games on 1v1 ladder. Does that mean when the ladder bug is fixed, I should be able to rank to Masters easily? I know people have said you keep your MMR and all, but im just wondering because some people were saying its fixed and I have no luck yet ? Anyone got a good idea of how many games / win ratio it took them to progress to Masters?
I've got a ~65% win ratio in diamond in my last 56 games on 1v1 ladder. Does that mean when the ladder bug is fixed, I should be able to rank to Masters easily? I know people have said you keep your MMR and all, but im just wondering because some people were saying its fixed and I have no luck yet ? Anyone got a good idea of how many games / win ratio it took them to progress to Masters?
Well, it all depends on the rankings of the players that they have been matching you against. Odds are, if you have 65% win ratio, you have been outperforming players of similar rank to you. But it is possible that you have been matched a lot against lower skill players.
One of the best ways to see if you are likely to get promoted soon, is look at your last ten games' opponents. If they have almost all been "slightly favored" and have been in master league, that means they are matching you against better players because it wants to promote you to that league.
Since, the problem is over. I think this thread should be locked or it will turn in to a whine fest of people that can't promote. If you want to know how Bnet and MMR work, there are a few topic that explain MMR very clearly, just use the search function.
I've got a ~65% win ratio in diamond in my last 56 games on 1v1 ladder. Does that mean when the ladder bug is fixed, I should be able to rank to Masters easily? I know people have said you keep your MMR and all, but im just wondering because some people were saying its fixed and I have no luck yet ? Anyone got a good idea of how many games / win ratio it took them to progress to Masters?
Well, it all depends on the rankings of the players that they have been matching you against. Odds are, if you have 65% win ratio, you have been outperforming players of similar rank to you. But it is possible that you have been matched a lot against lower skill players.
One of the best ways to see if you are likely to get promoted soon, is look at your last ten games' opponents. If they have almost all been "slightly favored" and have been in master league, that means they are matching you against better players because it wants to promote you to that league.
Well, I am in diamond and 2 days ago I was slightly favoured vs a low master league, an I am even vs 900 point masters atm. So it doesn't mean that if you're diamond facing masters that they're going to be slightly favoured, you could have a high master MMR (like me) but you just have a diamond "symbol" I don't care that I am diamond on one of my accounts If I am still facing and beating high master leagues, I know that I am easily master level.
On May 24 2011 21:29 tentoff wrote: Well, it all depends on the rankings of the players that they have been matching you against. Odds are, if you have 65% win ratio, you have been outperforming players of similar rank to you. But it is possible that you have been matched a lot against lower skill players.
One of the best ways to see if you are likely to get promoted soon, is look at your last ten games' opponents. If they have almost all been "slightly favored" and have been in master league, that means they are matching you against better players because it wants to promote you to that league.
Thanks for clearing that up for me tentoff I just had a look at my last few games and its been all diamond my last 10 games. Im assuming that means I've a little bit to go to get into Masters so I'll work hard to improve before the ladders fixed.
On May 24 2011 21:37 OGCeltiC wrote: Well, I am in diamond and 2 days ago I was slightly favoured vs a low master league, an I am even vs 900 point masters atm. So it doesn't mean that if you're diamond facing masters that they're going to be slightly favoured, you could have a high master MMR (like me) but you just have a diamond "symbol" I don't care that I am diamond on one of my accounts If I am still facing and beating high master leagues, I know that I am easily master level.
Yeah but obviously if you're beating High Masters and you have a high master account you have felt the victory that is getting into the Master league for the first time (maybe you dont care anyways :D).
This is something I've yet to accomplish so thats why I care about having my big shiny badge - then I can brag to my friends in bronze through diamond :D
On May 24 2011 21:33 Caphe wrote: Since, the problem is over. I think this thread should be locked or it will turn in to a whine fest of people that can't promote. If you want to know how Bnet and MMR work, there are a few topic that explain MMR very clearly, just use the search function.
Where is the problem already solved yet? Maybe get your facts straight?
I also have had the issue since the patch with after every game I appear to be rank 100 in my division in my score screen, but when I look at my ladder I am in the right position.
Not a game breaking bug, but a weird one none the less. I have seen it in both 1v1 and 4v4s
On May 24 2011 21:33 Caphe wrote: Since, the problem is over. I think this thread should be locked or it will turn in to a whine fest of people that can't promote. If you want to know how Bnet and MMR work, there are a few topic that explain MMR very clearly, just use the search function.
Where is the problem already solved yet? Maybe get your facts straight?
ive been playing against gold and play, and im silver, and have a 90% win ratio. I can't league up though no matter what I don't understand. I'm now facing top 8 plats and will probably soon be facing diamonds as a silver....
On May 24 2011 21:33 Caphe wrote: Since, the problem is over. I think this thread should be locked or it will turn in to a whine fest of people that can't promote. If you want to know how Bnet and MMR work, there are a few topic that explain MMR very clearly, just use the search function.
Where is the problem already solved yet? Maybe get your facts straight?
But we are yet to see anyone on SEA get correctly promoted. We have only gotten reports on people getting the wrong ladder placement after games.
So I would say that the problem does not seem to be fixed, and new hotfix is comming in the near future. Blizzard will probaly not talk about this before a new fix is released, that is how they have choosen to work with this issue.
i just got the system will shut down in 15 minutes alert so i take it patch is going to take affect here soon, hopefully when i log in ill be masters lol if not ill keep spamming games
On May 24 2011 22:02 skunk_works wrote: i just got the system will shut down in 15 minutes alert so i take it patch is going to take affect here soon, hopefully when i log in ill be masters lol if not ill keep spamming games
I hope so, i logged in on NA just now and did not get any message about a shut down/patch incoming. And the GM ladder is still unranked for me. Looking forward to actually see a ladder when I log back in next time.
On May 24 2011 21:33 Caphe wrote: Since, the problem is over. I think this thread should be locked or it will turn in to a whine fest of people that can't promote. If you want to know how Bnet and MMR work, there are a few topic that explain MMR very clearly, just use the search function.
Where is the problem already solved yet? Maybe get your facts straight?
I'm on US and I just played a game and won after the patch. I'm rank 1 platinum with 230 points ahead of rank 2, and instead of being promoted after winning just now, the post game screen said I was rank 100. I still got the points for the win though and I am even further ahead in my division now. I guess this patch didn't unlock the leagues yet.
On May 24 2011 07:58 DubsteP wrote: are there any SEA players that can verify if its fixed after the patch goes live? ^_^
The league lock is not associated with the patch. The league lock is a hotfix and is done on the server end. They will probably unlock once all regions get this patch (if the patch does indeed fix everything).
Trust Excalibur_Z in this, he has the biggest understanding of what's going on. According to his statement, it's expected that the SEA patch isn't enough, just wait till all regions are patched, so they can change it on the server end.
In a few days they are all done. I can't find the date/time but isn't Korea final one to be done on thursday? Just hold on for a few days.
Is it possible to get promoted as #3 in your league (I'm currently #3 in my division in Masters with 240-200 stats, some guy is 2nd which I'll prob catch up to,but SlayerSZen is #1 with around 250 pts lead (im assuming hes oGsZenio))
And is it even possible to get promoted to GM this late in season cuz I saw there are spots open...?
On May 25 2011 00:21 euroboy wrote: Does anyone know what the issue with the Grandmaster League was? Was Artosis right? Would he be in Grandmaster if this bug didn't exist?
doubt it i'm favored vs some GM players and i'm still not in >;o
On May 25 2011 00:34 bigwig123 wrote: can anyone actually confirm getting a promotion thats all i care about not how you should have it or how close you were
Blizzard will probably let us know when they unlock it.
Remember that the leagues lock is not a "bug", it's intentional. That means that a patch won't automatically unlock anything.
On May 25 2011 00:34 bigwig123 wrote: can anyone actually confirm getting a promotion thats all i care about not how you should have it or how close you were
It should be pretty easy to know when the leagues are unlocked -- the open gm spots will start filling up.
On May 25 2011 01:40 kaisertoss wrote: well. I noticed less people playing because of this. People only play to get promoted.
like any sports. You play for a championship a goal. Imagine the NFL with no superbowl. Who would watch?
Good point. Ive been laddering, but it really is hard to when Im unsure of exactly where I stand. Its funny though, because in the past couple days EVERYBODY Ive played has been top 8 in their division, so I guess a lot of people are grinding to get that promotion as soon as the leagues are unlocked.
Yes It is definately locked imo, Me and my friends have been number 1 in our 2v2 and 3v3 leagues we started bronze, and are now playing high MMR Diamonds :O surely there is something wrong
no? are you dumb? if you play to only have fun then why would there be a ranking system in the first place?
To measure your skill. But if you are not playing for fun getting better is going to be a long grind.
I think you have it backwards. If you play for fun and don't care about your ranking, or don't care if you win or lose (trademark of playing for fun), you won't improve.
Everytime I win a game, it says I'm 100th in my division, even though I'm 1. My bonus pool goes down and when I click my name it's fine, but whenever I play the game it messes up.
no? are you dumb? if you play to only have fun then why would there be a ranking system in the first place?
To measure your skill. But if you are not playing for fun getting better is going to be a long grind.
I think you have it backwards. If you play for fun and don't care about your ranking, or don't care if you win or lose (trademark of playing for fun), you won't improve.
He's saying playing the game should be fun first, with the ranking system just an addition. If you are playing to improve, but don't find the game fun, why would you even continue? Unless you think you could make some money off of it, otherwise there doesn't seem to be much purpose to it.
no? are you dumb? if you play to only have fun then why would there be a ranking system in the first place?
To measure your skill. But if you are not playing for fun getting better is going to be a long grind.
I think you have it backwards. If you play for fun and don't care about your ranking, or don't care if you win or lose (trademark of playing for fun), you won't improve.
Errbodys wrong, Ladder points or leagues do not dictate how good you are. Its about who you can beat. Ladder is a training tool if you really wanted to get better you wouldn't care that promotions were paused. And of course you are playing "for" fun. Competitive fun, with blood. Forget the ladder. Try and beat players that are better than you. for fun.
On May 25 2011 05:07 buCk- wrote: Everytime I win a game, it says I'm 100th in my division, even though I'm 1. My bonus pool goes down and when I click my name it's fine, but whenever I play the game it messes up.
I have the same thing. I don't think it matters much, just a bug or something.
As of right now, I don't think that the ladder lock is off...I have been playing masters players the last several days and haven't been promoted. Could just be variance, but I don't think many people here (if any) have posted anything about being promoted yet.
Errbodys wrong, Ladder points or leagues do not dictate how good you are. Its about who you can beat. Ladder is a training tool if you really wanted to get better you wouldn't care that promotions were paused. And of course you are playing "for" fun. Competitive fun, with blood. Forget the ladder. Try and beat players that are better than you. for fun.
All hail starcraft prophet, we are all wrong, only he is right! Oh wise one, teach me your ways!
Errbodys wrong, Ladder points or leagues do not dictate how good you are. Its about who you can beat. Ladder is a training tool if you really wanted to get better you wouldn't care that promotions were paused. And of course you are playing "for" fun. Competitive fun, with blood. Forget the ladder. Try and beat players that are better than you. for fun.
All hail starcraft prophet, we are all wrong, only he is right! Oh wise one, teach me your ways!
ROFL thank you for clearing it up, I was confused, now that were all wrong it makes sense
It's weird, when I win a game it show Division rank 100 but in the ladder screen i'm #2 diamond of my division, maybe im supose to be in master but I see 2 different thing ? hmmm...
On May 25 2011 06:50 Predateur wrote: It's weird, when I win a game it show Division rank 100 but in the ladder screen i'm #2 diamond of my division, maybe im supose to be in master but I see 2 different thing ? hmmm...
That's a bug that everyone has been getting. The Division rank 100 doesn't mean anything, the rank you see on the ladder screen is the accurate one.
I went from rank 4 diamond to rank 1 in 2s with like 32-9. I thought it was the new patch that was screwing with me. So my friend and I decided to play through 600 bonus point pool in hopes that no bonus pool would fix the issue, 4 hours later we were wrong. I re-checked the patch several times seeing that it said it fixed an issue, but to no avail it did nothing at all. Thanks for the info guys, I wish I found this thread 6 hours ago. For several hours I thought I needed 1k points to rank up to masters, time wasted...
The only thing that patch seems to have changed is that now not only am I unable to see the GM ladder, I also am ranked "100th" after every game (as many others have stated).
Hopefully blizzard will unlock the ladders in a hotfix soon, but I wouldn't be surprised if the GM ladder still being invisble and the 100th rank glitch needing another minor patch.
Yup, everyone seems to be experiencing the same issue. Not even custom games are appearing as normal. Kinda annoying, but Blizz are saying that a fix should be out soon. Restarting the game works ... sometimes.
Seems TLO has been demoted a few minutes ago in his streaming to Master league, so maybe even with all the bugs the promotion/demotion system is already working.
On May 25 2011 20:43 Silverion wrote: Seems TLO has been demoted a few minutes ago in his streaming to Master league, so maybe even with all the bugs the promotion/demotion system is already working.
You can't get demoted from GM while playing. The only reason for being demoted from GM is not playing. (Or a new season starts.) So even if you lose 100 games, you won't get demoted.
On May 25 2011 21:18 rebusrabis wrote: sometimes i wonder what blizzard spends all their funds on. cus' it sure as hell isn't being spend on competent programmers to fix sc2!
It is not so much the time it takes them to fix these sorts of things but the lack of communication they are often guilty of when it comes to notifying their paying public.
I don't care if something takes a long time to fix as long as they keep us informed regularly. It is a shame this doesn't occur as well as it could.
On May 25 2011 20:43 Silverion wrote: Seems TLO has been demoted a few minutes ago in his streaming to Master league, so maybe even with all the bugs the promotion/demotion system is already working.
You can't get demoted from GM while playing. The only reason for being demoted from GM is not playing. (Or a new season starts.) So even if you lose 100 games, you won't get demoted.
On May 25 2011 20:43 Silverion wrote: Seems TLO has been demoted a few minutes ago in his streaming to Master league, so maybe even with all the bugs the promotion/demotion system is already working.
You can't get demoted from GM while playing. The only reason for being demoted from GM is not playing. (Or a new season starts.) So even if you lose 100 games, you won't get demoted.
good programmers are quite hard to find, but i do think that blizzard has quite a few of them. bugs are usually very hard to track down, especially bugs like these (try finding a typo in a chunk of code that's about as long as war and peace, for example). and then there's the whole problem of fixing bugs without introducing new ones. the programming thing is a whole is quite complicated. either way, patience is a virtue, it will be fixed eventually.
On May 25 2011 23:30 xyious wrote: good programmers are quite hard to find, but i do think that blizzard has quite a few of them. bugs are usually very hard to track down, especially bugs like these (try finding a typo in a chunk of code that's about as long as war and peace, for example). and then there's the whole problem of fixing bugs without introducing new ones. the programming thing is a whole is quite complicated. either way, patience is a virtue, it will be fixed eventually.
You don't need to read all of the code, just the diffs, and with decent version control, committing process, and tests, it's not so hard to figure out when a bug was introduced.
On May 25 2011 20:43 Silverion wrote: Seems TLO has been demoted a few minutes ago in his streaming to Master league, so maybe even with all the bugs the promotion/demotion system is already working.
You can't get demoted from GM while playing. The only reason for being demoted from GM is not playing. (Or a new season starts.) So even if you lose 100 games, you won't get demoted.
So if you don't win enough games to use your bonus pool can you actually get demoted out of GM?
It's not that hard to spend your bonus pool in GM, even if you lose a ton of games, you'll mostly meet Average/High master instead of High Master/GM opponents because of your MMR.
You can have a MMR of an average Gold Player and being in GM (if you had a top 200 MMR when Season 2 came out).
On May 25 2011 20:43 Silverion wrote: Seems TLO has been demoted a few minutes ago in his streaming to Master league, so maybe even with all the bugs the promotion/demotion system is already working.
You can't get demoted from GM while playing. The only reason for being demoted from GM is not playing. (Or a new season starts.) So even if you lose 100 games, you won't get demoted.
So if you don't win enough games to use your bonus pool can you actually get demoted out of GM?
It's not that hard to spend your bonus pool in GM, even if you lose a ton of games, you'll mostly meet Average/High master instead of High Master/GM opponents because of your MMR.
You can have a MMR of an average Gold Player and being in GM (if you had a top 200 MMR when Season 2 came out).
You're right, but all of that's moot for the next season, because at the start of every season GM membership is recalculated.
Basically, once you're in GM, you can rest on your laurels... until the next season.
I got promoted a game ago. beat one plat and won about 65% of other games against gold. I had around 80% win rate against gold players for the last few days and start playing against high gold and low plat.
I was silver btw. So it's a bit weird that I had to beat some plat in order to reach gold
On May 26 2011 01:16 ETisME wrote: I got promoted a game ago. beat one plat and won about 65% of other games against gold. I had around 80% win rate against gold players for the last few days and start playing against high gold and low plat.
I was silver btw. So it's a bit weird that I had to beat some plat in order to reach gold
Did u get promoted after the patch?? So the ladder locked has been lift up?
On May 26 2011 01:16 ETisME wrote: I got promoted a game ago. beat one plat and won about 65% of other games against gold. I had around 80% win rate against gold players for the last few days and start playing against high gold and low plat.
I was silver btw. So it's a bit weird that I had to beat some plat in order to reach gold
On May 25 2011 23:30 xyious wrote: good programmers are quite hard to find, but i do think that blizzard has quite a few of them. bugs are usually very hard to track down, especially bugs like these (try finding a typo in a chunk of code that's about as long as war and peace, for example). and then there's the whole problem of fixing bugs without introducing new ones. the programming thing is a whole is quite complicated. either way, patience is a virtue, it will be fixed eventually.
You don't need to read all of the code, just the diffs, and with decent version control, committing process, and tests, it's not so hard to figure out when a bug was introduced.
while it's easy to see where the bug first became apparent, it's not certain that that's where the bug occurred. it's possible that the bug is quite old and just led to some weird behavior after new code utilized a function. but i mostly agree with you.
On May 25 2011 20:43 Silverion wrote: Seems TLO has been demoted a few minutes ago in his streaming to Master league, so maybe even with all the bugs the promotion/demotion system is already working.
You can't get demoted from GM while playing. The only reason for being demoted from GM is not playing. (Or a new season starts.) So even if you lose 100 games, you won't get demoted.
So if you don't win enough games to use your bonus pool can you actually get demoted out of GM?
It's not that hard to spend your bonus pool in GM, even if you lose a ton of games, you'll mostly meet Average/High master instead of High Master/GM opponents because of your MMR.
You can have a MMR of an average Gold Player and being in GM (if you had a top 200 MMR when Season 2 came out).
You're right, but all of that's moot for the next season, because at the start of every season GM membership is recalculated.
Basically, once you're in GM, you can rest on your laurels... until the next season.
So long as you're constantly playing more games and not, say, taking a break.
Due to an issue with the Grandmaster league weve temporarily locked league reassignments. This means that all ranked games are correctly awarding (and subtracting) points, all changes to players internal matchmaking rating continue to be made, but the ability to be promoted/demoted to a different league is temporarily on-hold. When this lock is released, the next win will process the correct standing and any league reassignments will be carried out as they would have.
We currently have a hotfix for the Grandmaster issue in testing, and expect it to be implemented very soon. Once the fix is in and verified the lock will be removed and league standings will continue as normal. Well make another announcement at that time.
Its important to note, again, that your games played now continue to count toward your standing and a possible league reassignment.
Looks to me like this patch is rolling out just as a coincidence. The problem is most likely server side and we'll see the unlock within the next 2 days, separate from the actual patch.
Mmmm, feels good to be right! Happy laddering everybody. Hope you all get the league placement you've been hoping for!
I just won a game vs Master Top 50 (i'm platin) and don't got any promotion
Your MMR may not be stable enough for promotion. You may be in between Masters and Diamond with a very erratic Rating, so BNet is waiting for your MMR to stabilize. Hope you get into Masters!
Just played 1 game in 1v1 and 4v4 (currently rank 1 daimond in both) and won and still didnt get promoted (and the 4v4 game was with masters/high masters and 1 top 5 daimond) so it dosent seem to be fixed yet (EU)
This is such a troll. What on earth happened to GM league that made Blizzard think it was a good idea to lock everything. At least NA is unlocked now apparently so the rest of the leagues should soon follow suit. Still though, I wonder what exactly happened...
On May 26 2011 02:49 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: This is such a troll. What on earth happened to GM league that made Blizzard think it was a good idea to lock everything. At least NA is unlocked now apparently so the rest of the leagues should soon follow suit. Still though, I wonder what exactly happened...
A second, parallel GM division started appearing, which isn't intended. People were getting promoted into the second GM division which was causing the GM webpages to screw up and throw errors.
On May 26 2011 02:49 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: This is such a troll. What on earth happened to GM league that made Blizzard think it was a good idea to lock everything. At least NA is unlocked now apparently so the rest of the leagues should soon follow suit. Still though, I wonder what exactly happened...
I think the issue was that suddenly new GM divisions were begin created. So apprently they have all promotions on one hotkey.
I'm on the EU server, and the last week I've constantly been placed against top diamond players (and won more than I lost), but I did not get promoted so far today. Nothing conclusive obviously, but could point to no promotions in EU.
On May 26 2011 01:16 ETisME wrote: I got promoted a game ago. beat one plat and won about 65% of other games against gold. I had around 80% win rate against gold players for the last few days and start playing against high gold and low plat.
I was silver btw. So it's a bit weird that I had to beat some plat in order to reach gold
What server?
o.O
SEA server. After the patch.
Short story: Before patch, I got into silver about 30 games ago, then I've been playing about 1 plat, 30 golds and 3 silvers and 1 bronze (lol).
Since I had about 75% win rate against any gold, some were pretty high ranked gold as well, so I was thinking the ladder was locked.
After patch, I played about 20 games, all gold and about 3 plat, maybe 60% win rate (way too many zvz) and also one placement dude who was promoted to plat after I lost to him. Then I had another game with a gold, and got promoted after that.
As a note: I feel that the players I am playing against after the patch is better, the plat were good but not that much better than some of the better gold. I am wondering if Blizzard changed something on how they measure MMR. That is just my opinion through.
[edit 2] Interesting point is that while the score screen yesterday shows I was ranked 100 (the bug everyone was having), today, this bug was gone, even before I got promoted. So I am not sure whether Blizzard did something again on their side today.
I can definitely confirm that the NA server is fixed. I just got promoted to plat after winning a game. I had to win, tho, because I played two, and I lost the first one. All I can say is finally! lol Good luck to everyone else on the road to promotion. I hope you all make it. :D
To be fair, EU has had a lot of problems in the last 8 hours. They probably didn't feel safe doing it at that point. maybe later today but I would think tomorrow.
my day so far: 1) wake up 2) see that ladder is unlocked, think "time to go get promotions!" 3) play 2v2 game, get promoted to diamond 4) play 1v1 game 5) ... 6) look at screen expectantly 7) ...
On May 26 2011 04:40 State wrote: Hmm. Might have introduced a new bug? After each ladder 1v1 I play, the score screen tells me my rank is 183..when it isn't.
:o?
That's a known bug at the moment. I think for most people it displays as 100, but I've seen more than one person mention 183 as well.
So as it seems, EU is still locked down. How unfortunate. Y U HATING ON EU BLIZZARD?
Anyway, hopefully it'll be fixed with the NEXT patch... Otherwise I'm disappointed in Blizzard. It's really frustrating playing a shitton of games and not getting promoted.
On May 25 2011 01:40 kaisertoss wrote: well. I noticed less people playing because of this. People only play to get promoted.
like any sports. You play for a championship a goal. Imagine the NFL with no superbowl. Who would watch?
like any sports you play to have fun :o that's how it is with sc2 as well if it's not like that for people than it should be
no? are you dumb? if you play to only have fun then why would there be a ranking system in the first place?
learn manners, learn to speak properly in the future now mr 8 post you're lucky u didn't banned
lol both, People play for different reasons, But to say you only play for a better rank. You do realise most % that play this game probably play it for fun.
Interesting, I was high Diamond before the patch and I was half expecting to be promoted afterwards, but I lost my first game and stayed diamond, won my second game and got promoted to masters. I guess you still need to win a game to be promoted?
On May 26 2011 06:02 hiyo_bye wrote: Interesting, I was high Diamond before the patch and I was half expecting to be promoted afterwards, but I lost my first game and stayed diamond, won my second game and got promoted to masters. I guess you still need to win a game to be promoted?
still think you need a win to be promoted to masters for your first time, and GM.
Still patiently awaiting the EU unlock.. the EU matchmaking system was really weird earlier today, with the quick match buttons disappearing and reappearing constantly. That's fixed now but promotions are still not possible.
On May 25 2011 01:40 kaisertoss wrote: well. I noticed less people playing because of this. People only play to get promoted.
like any sports. You play for a championship a goal. Imagine the NFL with no superbowl. Who would watch?
like any sports you play to have fun :o that's how it is with sc2 as well if it's not like that for people than it should be
no? are you dumb? if you play to only have fun then why would there be a ranking system in the first place?
learn manners, learn to speak properly in the future now mr 8 post you're lucky u didn't banned
Me speak properly WTF is "you're lucky u didn't banned" first off it doesn't make sense, second off you type out "you're" but then type "u" ROFL nice try grammar troll!
On May 26 2011 10:47 Mindreaver wrote: Hmm matchmaking is still a bit weird? Just saw EGDeMusliM against me in 4vs4. Since I'm in 4vs4 bronze I'm not sure that's fair
seems like he is doing his first games in 4v4, its possible to get all bronze if so..
On May 26 2011 10:47 Mindreaver wrote: Hmm matchmaking is still a bit weird? Just saw EGDeMusliM against me in 4vs4. Since I'm in 4vs4 bronze I'm not sure that's fair
seems like he is doing his first games in 4v4, its possible to get all bronze if so..
Just got a few more Grandmaster players against me (4vs4) Won that game, just got promoted to Platinum, so I too can confirm ladders are unlocked
On May 26 2011 10:47 Mindreaver wrote: Hmm matchmaking is still a bit weird? Just saw EGDeMusliM against me in 4vs4. Since I'm in 4vs4 bronze I'm not sure that's fair
seems like he is doing his first games in 4v4, its possible to get all bronze if so..
Just got a few more Grandmaster players against me (4vs4) Won that game, just got promoted to Platinum, so I too can confirm ladders are unlocked
evryone gets promote except mee ((( qq also met a GM player in 4v4 a few moments ago :/ weird that GM players goes 4v4 4am :S
I got promoted to Diamond, but I am now getting +6 points per win, -18 points per loss. It was +12/-12 when I was stuck in platinum, so is this normal?
So I know eveyone and their mother has posted about their promotions, but since I am oh so proud of my accomplishment I will add mine to the list. Lost my first game of the day, then won the next, waited for my promotion, it didn't come. I ended up going on a 5 game win streak before I got the promotion to diamond. So while I apparently was not yet owed a promotion like I thought, I was rather close to it. NA server if it matters.
Btw, It seems that the promotion bug has been fixed in CN server. My friend was able to promote to Master 1v1 just less than half and our ago. We will try to get our 2v2 to promote today then I will report back.
im currently rank 1 diamond, like 1250 points, played v masters for my last 30 games (im a masters player, but race switched and dropped to diamond, then started playing toss again and back to where i was just not promoted)
Also, MYM]Cloud is in diamond, like 1800 points rank 1 world, prob playing v top top masters players
The ladder system is unlocked But I'm quite surprised by the amount of points I've lost due to promoting I wanted to post on the blizzard forum, but each of my account with a starcraft 2 license is unable to post on their forum I was platinum 1k9, I got promoted to diamond (I lost 1100 points), then to master (no point lost this time, I was afraid) I'm matched up against 1K2+ master and gm players
The amount of bonus pool you have doesn't matter. The amount of points you get after a league change is equal to the amount of bonus pool you have spent so far plus 73.
There's no "point exchange rate" or anything like that.
I know the points on ladder don't mean much about skill, but it's quite deceiving to be under 1k point
On May 26 2011 13:15 Pam wrote: The ladder system is unlocked But I'm quite surprised by the amount of points I've lost due to promoting I wanted to post on the blizzard forum, but each of my account with a starcraft 2 license is unable to post on their forum I was platinum 1k9, I got promoted to diamond (I lost 1100 points), then to master (no point lost this time, I was afraid) I'm matched up against 1K2+ master and gm players
The explanation I've found on the blizzard forum is this, so it seems pretty logical
The amount of bonus pool you have doesn't matter. The amount of points you get after a league change is equal to the amount of bonus pool you have spent so far plus 73.
There's no "point exchange rate" or anything like that.
I know the points on ladder don't mean much about skill, but it's quite deceiving to be under 1k point
On May 26 2011 19:12 genesis900 wrote: pretty wierd, got 44-5 stats and only winning silver/gold players, and even this morning won 3 games and no promotion. Im rank 2 in bronze
You might need a loss or two before the system promotes you. Long win streaks often need a few losses before the system determines that you are fit for a promotion.
Anyways, just got promoted into Plat today after playing against Plat players for the past few weeks. Pretty good stuff this ladder unlock is.
I won a game after the lock and was promoted from Gold to Rank 1 Plat. I assumed every promotion relegates you to Rank 100 of your new league. As I'm relatively new to SC2, may I ask 1) Is that common 2) quite rare, 3) or a bug?
On May 26 2011 21:47 TechnoZerg wrote: I won a game after the lock and was promoted from Gold to Rank 1 Plat. I assumed every promotion relegates you to Rank 100 of your new league. As I'm relatively new to SC2, may I ask 1) Is that common 2) quite rare, 3) or a bug?
1) It's normal. Every time you get demoted or promoted your points are reset to "spent bonus pool" + 73. Then you will be placed in the appropriate place in your new division. Some divisions are tougher than others, so it depends.
Looking forward to my Diamond -> Gold demotion tonight then. =) I havent played for 40 weeks and have been on a super-super loosing streak now then I restarted. After each game I get questions how I can be in diamond and play like s***. Will be nice to not have those conversations any longer.
On May 26 2011 22:03 egonx wrote: Looking forward to my Diamond -> Gold demotion tonight then. =) I havent played for 40 weeks and have been on a super-super loosing streak now then I restarted. After each game I get questions how I can be in diamond and play like s***. Will be nice to not have those conversations any longer.
lol harsh
Well, time for me to see if i'll get demoted as well.
On May 26 2011 22:03 egonx wrote: Looking forward to my Diamond -> Gold demotion tonight then. =) I havent played for 40 weeks and have been on a super-super loosing streak now then I restarted. After each game I get questions how I can be in diamond and play like s***. Will be nice to not have those conversations any longer.
I know the feeling, well if you were once in Diamond you'll get back eventually. I've shimmering between Platinum and Diamond all the time. When I'm on top of my game I can't seem to lose against platinum-players no matter what strat or cheese they pull off. In other times it's like I'm playing in slow-motion and being behind every game and just throw away game after game.
I'm 66-32 1K+ points in 3x3 with bonus pool cleared and something ridiculous like 25-5 in my 30 last games and i'm still not promoted to masters. Random team btw.
On May 28 2011 17:16 Boblion wrote: I'm 66-32 1K+ points in 3x3 with bonus pool cleared and something ridiculous like 25-5 in my 30 last games and i'm still not promoted to masters. Random team btw. ...
Masters is best 2%, and since there are a lot less people playing 3v3 there are a lot less spots in masters. So that might be the reason (?)
kinda wondering why this thread isn't locked now? it's served it's purpose and is no longer really relevent. i'm not trolling or trying to get warned. just an honest question.
Well, I got promoted as soon as ladder unlocked, but why am I always slightly favored playing against people in the same league? I only win 5 points per win, and I lost like 20 each time I lose. I'm diamond and playing diamond, why am I always slightly favored?
On May 29 2011 05:25 mvnjpy wrote: Well, I got promoted as soon as ladder unlocked, but why am I always slightly favored playing against people in the same league? I only win 5 points per win, and I lost like 20 each time I lose. I'm diamond and playing diamond, why am I always slightly favored?
On May 29 2011 05:25 mvnjpy wrote: Well, I got promoted as soon as ladder unlocked, but why am I always slightly favored playing against people in the same league? I only win 5 points per win, and I lost like 20 each time I lose. I'm diamond and playing diamond, why am I always slightly favored?
Because you're high diamond.
Prepare for a possible promotion soon!
Actually, its because the system fucked up the promotion for those who were "locked", and now they are at a high tier diamond division, and to fix the high amount of points you have after promotion, the system will force you to lose tons of points until your MMR and your league points are close to eachother. I am getting the very same thing too, and that sucks.
<edit> holy sh*t this was my 1000th post and I didnt notice it until I had 1003 o_o
The ladder system bugged out for anyone who was recently promoted. As far as I can tell, all you can do to fix the "always slightly favored" bug is to lose a whole bunch of games until your MMR steadies out, or you are demoted.
On May 25 2011 01:40 kaisertoss wrote: well. I noticed less people playing because of this. People only play to get promoted.
like any sports. You play for a championship a goal. Imagine the NFL with no superbowl. Who would watch?
like any sports you play to have fun :o that's how it is with sc2 as well if it's not like that for people than it should be
no? are you dumb? if you play to only have fun then why would there be a ranking system in the first place?
learn manners, learn to speak properly in the future now mr 8 post you're lucky u didn't banned
lol, if you're going to correct someone and say "learn to speak properly", YOU might want to use correct english as well.
?? that's irrelevant i wasn't insulting his grammar or spelling i was telling him not to be a troll and to not be bm in other words, when iwas telling him to speak properly i was advising him to be civil
i havent heard anything official about it. but alot of ppl are talking about it so i dono tbh. but since its a new seasson i cant see why there should be a ladder lock.
On May 29 2011 19:08 IIIOmegaIII wrote: i havent heard anything official about it. but alot of ppl are talking about it so i dono tbh. but since its a new seasson i cant see why there should be a ladder lock.
The ladder lock was due to a problem regarding the Grandmaster league, there is a Blizzard post on the subject in the OP, but as it is resolved in all regions it no longer really matters.
The ladder didn't get re-locked or anything right? I mean I've lost something like 2 out of my last 30 games - trying to get promoted from plat - and I'm still stuck after beating a few masters teams and a few random teams with 3v3 master guys in them.
You sure the ladder isn't locked ? Because I'm rank 15 diamond and I'm favored against rank 1-8 diamond players, even against some master players. And everyone in my division still have the "!" icon next to their rank instead of up/down arrows.
When I posted a lot earlier in this thread (before they announced it really was locked) I was playing Diamond players whilst in Silver. After it was unlocked I was promoted straight away, so I can confirm at the very least that it was unlocked.
On June 01 2011 05:07 Necosarius wrote: You sure the ladder isn't locked ? Because I'm rank 15 diamond and I'm favored against rank 1-8 diamond players, even against some master players. And everyone in my division still have the "!" icon next to their rank instead of up/down arrows.
EPT
) He lost like 60 games and was playing against silver/bronze players but he still days later is only in diamond.
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