Dynamic Unit Movements, Your Thoughts? - Page 5

On May 17 2011 11:58 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
What you people simply don't understand is that Blizzard have not and will not make any changes to make this game any more similar to BW than it already is. So the bottom line is , if you like BW mechanics more ,go play BW.

On May 17 2011 10:09 johanngrunt wrote:
Is there any way to force them not to clump?

On May 17 2011 12:02 Superiorwolf wrote:
3. Battles last longer

On May 17 2011 09:55 CanucksJC wrote:
This is a translation from a thread posted on PlayXP.
Sorry for the messy translation lol :D








In SCBW and W3, units move while avoiding friendly units,
but in SC2, units move while pushing their own friendly units. (when on hold position, they avoid each other)
This is where units tend to clump up, and this happens even when you move them just a couple of times.
Units also clump up in small numbers as well.

If you watch SCBW games, units don't push each other around, so the space around each unit is always changning, and this results in a dynamic movement.
If you only move with one control group, units show the same dynamic movement.
I think this is very important for e-sports.

If I had to list the advantages of removing the clumping of units:

1. (the most important) Unit movements become more dynamic.
Even if you hotkey them separately, those small groups will move like a clump of jelly anyways. It doesn't look natural, and your army looks smaller than it actually is.

2. It's easier to tell the difference between units.
SCBW is in 2-d and it uses less colours, while SC2 is 3-d and uses a variety of colours. So it's easier to differentiate units in SCBW. You can tell this by playing SC2 in the lowest graphic settings.
The lowest graphic setting allows you to tell the difference between units and the difference between units and map tiles much more effectively.

3. You can weaken the power of splash units.
If you look at the units that do splash damage,
siege mode tanks, thor's air attack, ghost's EMP and nuclear missile, raven's HSM, colossus, high templar's storm, infestor's fungal growth,
most of them have been nerfed since beta.
One reason why they are so strong is because units always move together in clumps.
Some people will tell you to separate your units beforehand, but they clump up again when you move them around to attack.

4. The firepower decreases and the duration of battles increases.
One of the main issues with SC2 since the release was that the battles didn't last very long.
Along with complaints such as 'the maps are too narrow', 'the game time is too fast', I think this is a legit explanation as well. This is why we should change the tendency for units to clump together.

If we end up getting rid of this issue, or units move more like in SCBW and W3, we probably need to tweak the balance again.
However, if balance is something that needs to be gradually fixed, this issue should be something we need to change right now.
As a SCBW and SC2 player, and an e-sports viewer, I write this to plead my case.

Source:http://www.playxp.com/sc2/forum/view.php?article_id=2766172

On May 17 2011 12:06 jinorazi wrote:


we play both unlike some sc2 elitists

lol

On May 17 2011 12:14 dvide wrote:
Looks good. Don't forget that two expansions are coming out, so they can change anything at this point. They would never release a patch for Wings of Liberty with this change, but they do have the liberty to change all of the units in the expansions in order to re-balance the game around this sort of thing. Maybe Blizzard will see this thread and play around with it themselves.

On May 17 2011 12:29 Yotta wrote:
Since the unit clumping makes for visually cluttered, short-lived battles, forces AoE abilities to be weak and unexciting, and doesn't feel like StarCraft, I can't understand why it's still in the game.

I'd consider this more a game design decision than a balance-focused one; any balance problems that come from this would only be temporary and lead to a better game IMCO.