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Umbrella
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Taiwan936 Posts
April 14 2011 01:34 GMT
#81
I would say SC2 Protoss has arguably improved because of warp-in, colossi, and void rays mainly. Terran and zerg lost BW tanks, vultures, goliaths, science vessels, defilers, lurkers, cracklings, etc.

SC2 isn't nearly as chaotic as BW.

Also, couldn't we just use the SC2BW races against SC2 races and get an idea that way?
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
April 14 2011 01:35 GMT
#82
On April 14 2011 10:33 skypig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:23 Golgotha wrote:
for some reason this post made me want to play BW again. it was glorious.


Same here, bro, same here. Been playing SC2 nonstop for months now, but I've gotta get back into BW sometime soon...so much more epic game.


I agree lol, all this reaver talk just makes me want to blow the hell out of a terran player's mineral line. man, I miss reaver micro so much
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
April 14 2011 01:35 GMT
#83
On April 14 2011 09:45 DARKHYDRA wrote:
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Defilers from BW can cast plague; this spell deals 300 damage to all units in a big AoE cloud.


Im pretty sure the main reason defilers were scary was darkswarm+consume.


PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Yeah, I think Dark swarm was most of it

Man, I would KILL for Dark swarm in SC2, would be so so sweet.
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
April 14 2011 01:36 GMT
#84
BW
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
MrGingerKid
Profile Joined March 2011
United States63 Posts
April 14 2011 01:37 GMT
#85
some one should make a SC2 vs BW in editor. I would enjoy to see BW own every time
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
April 14 2011 01:38 GMT
#86
I've been of the mind that I could always make a hybrid game with almost every SC2 unit being inserted into Broodwar. Not too many roles overlap due to the nuance in how the units can be controlled.

To answer the OP it depends on the matchup.

PvP


BW Protoss techs up faster and builds armies faster than SC2 Protoss without Chrono Boost.
BW Gateway and Stargate Protoss is a lot more resilient than SC2 but aren't as flexible. BW Robo is cheaper and hit harder than SC2 robo but SC2 robo is more flexible just like the other tech paths.

I give the edge to BW Protoss here. Early game SC2 can have an econ or tech advantage but with proper scouting BW is IMO significantly too cost efficient that overcomes the econ route and can better support a robo or templar army with less bases than the SC2 army.

The best tool for SC2 is warp gate usage early game. On largish maps pheonix could've been viable if not for my belief BW armies would adapt by making Speed upgraded scouts which would crush pheonix even more cost effectively than the other tech comparisons I mentioned.

PvT
There are some timing imbalances that IMO give SC2 terrans the edge.
Two Reapers can significantly impact Protoss early econ while they wait for Goon range to be upgraded.
Even if that doesn't happen Terran can open up with concussive twin maruaders and bull dog Protoss.
Even if they don't do that Protoss is going to have an extremely hard time keeping up with MULE economics.
If Protoss can survive through that then they have some viable options to win because reaver and psistorm are more powerful and DTs are harder to anticipate and prepare for. Overall I have a bleak out look for this match up.

PvZ
I give the edge to protoss here. Lings being weaker, hydras being crippled, no lurkers and no muta stacking isn't covered by roaches, blings and infestors. The only thing making Zerg viable here are Queens.


TvT
What an interesting match up. BW bio's only saving grace are medics. SC2's metal has no saving grace. BW though has nothing as well in Starport tech aside from BAttlecruiisers.

SC2 Terran should crush BW terran in the early game because of mules and superior marines but both Terrans are highly capable at defense and depending on the map BW terran should survive to engage in Tank Wars. Once that happens the match up balances itself out very quickly.

So this match up is a toss up. SC2 could win early game but this should rarely happen once players understand the timings and then everything will be dependent on who has the better strategy with what resources they have.

TvZ
SC2 Zerg curb stomps. Whether they go high econ baneling or macro roach they should crush face. Terran could try going metal but with access to queens to kick their map control into overdrive and their Hive tech being far more resiliant to mech play I don't see how this matchup can work without 90%+ win rate for zerg.

TvP

If BW terran can survive the warpgate push they should effectively be on par with SC2 Protoss. SC2 protoss will learn quickly how powerful mech play can really be but they have the immortal to prevent that from being a dominating strat. Aside from them and Blink stalkers they don't have anything that makes them really scary after the warpgate rush.

Analysis: BW Terran should win more than lose.



ZvZ
BW lings are stronger than SC2 lings. This should decide most of the fights in such a short lived match up but SC2 zerg will adapt because their defensive and macro tools are too powerful to try to decide the game with ling play. Eventually SC2 zerg should curb stomp BW zerg but I have my doubts about this working out on certain maps.

Verdict. SC2 will consistently beat BW zerg but it won't be as lopsided as TvZ.

ZvT
Complete massacre for BW zerg. Their only chance is defiler tech. They shouldn't live that long for that to happen. Even if they do pull it off they shouldn't be in a position army or economy wise to sustain it long enough for a comeback.

Only an act of God can save BW zerg from SC2 Terrans.
DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
April 14 2011 01:39 GMT
#87
Dark Swarm > every Starcraft 2 unit zerg would win
"DrBoo is an elaborate troll" -Pufftrees
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
April 14 2011 01:39 GMT
#88
Man don't you guys know, if that Dark Archon gets a hold of an SC2 worker...

plus 60HP SCV's >> any worker in SC2
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 14 2011 01:40 GMT
#89
On April 14 2011 10:33 skypig wrote:
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On April 14 2011 10:23 Golgotha wrote:
for some reason this post made me want to play BW again. it was glorious.


Same here, bro, same here. Been playing SC2 nonstop for months now, but I've gotta get back into BW sometime soon...so much more epic game.



We can only hope that the SC2 expansions will deliver. If SC2 becomes 50% of what BW was, I will die happy.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
April 14 2011 01:42 GMT
#90
1 vulture + 3 mines = COUNTLESS DMG
shuttle reaver; basically a siege air unit
tanks splash dmg in BW is so pro, use a marine/vulture to run to the dt; use the tank and focus that unit = DT DEAD
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
April 14 2011 01:44 GMT
#91
On April 14 2011 10:38 mutantmagnet wrote:
Only an act of God can save BW zerg from SC2 Terrans.

Only an act of all the Gods put together could save goliathless terrans from well microed BW mutas.
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
jabberwocky
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:46:00
April 14 2011 01:45 GMT
#92
On April 14 2011 10:38 mutantmagnet wrote:
Only an act of God can save BW zerg from SC2 Terrans.


Loved this! And your entire post made sense too. Though I really doubt how Terran can combat SC2 Protoss when they have warpgates and FF. Only superior mech positioning would allow them any chance.
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IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
April 14 2011 01:45 GMT
#93
On April 14 2011 10:40 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:33 skypig wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:23 Golgotha wrote:
for some reason this post made me want to play BW again. it was glorious.


Same here, bro, same here. Been playing SC2 nonstop for months now, but I've gotta get back into BW sometime soon...so much more epic game.



We can only hope that the SC2 expansions will deliver. If SC2 becomes 50% of what BW was, I will die happy.

+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck
that. I'm sorry to say this in this thread but why don't you just PLAY BW if you like it so much rather than playing a game you think is 50 percent as good? BW isn't even close to gone and its still very easy to find games, especially if you are actually from South Korea.
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
April 14 2011 01:46 GMT
#94
Reavers and mines win.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
April 14 2011 01:49 GMT
#95
zergling/lurker/defiler vs colosus/sentry/stalker would be an interesting fight to see
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Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
April 14 2011 01:49 GMT
#96
this is just a bw vs sc2 thread in disguise
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 14 2011 01:52 GMT
#97
On April 14 2011 10:35 bjornkavist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:33 skypig wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:23 Golgotha wrote:
for some reason this post made me want to play BW again. it was glorious.


Same here, bro, same here. Been playing SC2 nonstop for months now, but I've gotta get back into BW sometime soon...so much more epic game.


I agree lol, all this reaver talk just makes me want to blow the hell out of a terran player's mineral line. man, I miss reaver micro so much


Hate to break it to you but reaver micro beyond a certain point doesn't exist, it's all whether or not the Random Number Gods bless you. So get praying before you play!
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2574 Posts
April 14 2011 01:53 GMT
#98
Reaver maelstorm vs Z :D
Wishing you well.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 14 2011 01:54 GMT
#99
On April 14 2011 10:44 IamBach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:38 mutantmagnet wrote:
Only an act of God can save BW zerg from SC2 Terrans.

Only an act of all the Gods put together could save goliathless terrans from well microed BW mutas.


Umm I'm pretty sure Thors would do more damage to standard BW muta micro than Goliaths do, let alone MMM.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
April 14 2011 01:55 GMT
#100
On April 14 2011 10:45 jabberwocky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:38 mutantmagnet wrote:
Only an act of God can save BW zerg from SC2 Terrans.


Loved this! And your entire post made sense too. Though I really doubt how Terran can combat SC2 Protoss when they have warpgates and FF. Only superior mech positioning would allow them any chance.

Thanks. Forcefields is too gas dependent which slows down observers. Spidermines offer too much map control and vultures can kill sentries too fast because of their unit type being vulnerable to concussive damage. It's too risky to try to use more than one sentry early game. Mid game when tanks are out almost makes sentries obsolete.
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