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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 13 2011 03:58 GMT
#121
I agree with the criticisms in the OP.

Having said that, overall the first production was by far and away positive. Amazingggg stream + basically no downtime + fun games = all you can ask for.

Once the casting is perfected, this will be as good, if not better, than anything.
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 04:01:24
April 13 2011 03:59 GMT
#122
I know that this is very minimal but I would enjoy to see a current score in the series. The built in name/race/food that blizzard added is very beautiful and I love it, there just isn't a current player score.

Edit: Other than that, I LOVE the NASL as it stands right now great production, great stream, and good casting will be looking forward to the rest of the league.
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
April 13 2011 04:00 GMT
#123
The NASL should make it also clear, for every game, what exactly is on the line. Is player gonna be eliminated? Will they advance?

The problem with day-after-day of group play is that viewers will be less interested, because nothing much really depends on the outcome of the game. (The games count somewhat of course, but I'm saying the less is on the line, the less people are interested.)

Today's Dreamhack had the opposite problem. There were too few matches. They could have kept the players around for longer, and do a loser bracket or something like that.
IShowUMagic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 04:03:44
April 13 2011 04:00 GMT
#124
There's a generally high level of fake excitement that's rather tiring and a complete lack of humor in my overly harsh opinion. All in all I love the use of justin.tv and the level of professionalism, will continue watching for sure.

Edit: after reading some other criticisms I just have to contradict them. I disagree that group play will be boring because there's less on the line, I will continue to watch as long as the matches are interesting. How many games are in a regular season of MLB? Also, I like having no music and I don't care about graphics or portraits or any of those things.
Noak3
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States236 Posts
April 13 2011 04:00 GMT
#125
On April 13 2011 12:06 michaelhasanalias wrote:
I don't mean to be "that guy" but gretorp needs to be replaced.
...
I don't think there is any hope for gretorp.... at all.


This. Incontrol is awesome and genuine, but everything gretorp says feels super forced and it's like he's trying to add excitement to the wrong things and with poor execution. He could get better, but any other commentator that's better as a base could also get better and he's just not made for commentating at heart.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15673 Posts
April 13 2011 04:01 GMT
#126
They focus too much on trying to feel excited and as a result lose a lot of fluency and "team work" as casters. Less personal, less fluid, it sometimes sound like they can't even hear each other.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
April 13 2011 04:04 GMT
#127
On April 13 2011 12:25 NASL-Kronos wrote:
I was going to post this after the broadcast as a blog.

1. Audio technician is coming in to check compression.
2. We are working on music.
3. More cycling on tabs.

Thanks for watching today, we are all feeling the pressure of the first day and you have been very supportive.


this is a great start !!!
infinitely
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada89 Posts
April 13 2011 04:06 GMT
#128
3D portraits unnecessarily tax the streamers computer, and who actually cares about them anyways :/.
Don't forget your detection!
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
April 13 2011 04:07 GMT
#129
I don't think the commentating is particularly great, but it's the first night, and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt as they get more comfortable in front of the camera.

I do think it is kind of lacking in hype and excitement, especially after watching the dreamhack invitational earlier today, and seeing how awesome the live audience was. Hearing the screams and cheers in response to what the players were doing, kept me glued to the screen and really got me into it. Obviously the studio doesn't have the capacity for a huge live audience, and certainly not every night-- but even some epic music between the matches would help some of that.

The commercials aren't well done, imo. Ads should be broadcasted at appropriate times between matches, rather than being the arbitrary interruptions that they currently are.

Finally, just a tiny bit of polish and details-- things like remembering to make them Refs, so they can tell the players to pause if they are lagging, etc., having a smooth transition if a pause is necessary, cleaner cutting to the commentators after the games, changing the light so they aren't squinting into it, etc.

The simple fact that the first day did not experience any huge technical issues, and the games were good is very encouraging.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3519 Posts
April 13 2011 04:08 GMT
#130
Allow to pay for a nasl ticket with paypal
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dsperg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States37 Posts
April 13 2011 04:08 GMT
#131
How many times does Gretorp say 'indeed'?
Phtes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States370 Posts
April 13 2011 04:09 GMT
#132
After watching what just happened to ST_Rainbow, they really need to make a better pausing / restart system, from the start of the match Rainbows drop screen was popping up and yet the match was never restarted, the minute he lagged all ahrdcore durign the marine bunker push, the game should have reset.
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Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
April 13 2011 04:10 GMT
#133
On April 13 2011 13:09 Phtes wrote:
After watching what just happened to ST_Rainbow, they really need to make a better pausing / restart system, from the start of the match Rainbows drop screen was popping up and yet the match was never restarted, the minute he lagged all ahrdcore durign the marine bunker push, the game should have reset.


Agreed, they should have the casters be Refs, or atleast have a ref there to hit pause if/when it's needed.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
April 13 2011 04:10 GMT
#134
The cuts between segments are way too quick, there needs to be some sort of break just so your mind can separate it. Those times would be a good spot for commercials rather than playing them over the post-game analysis.

Some examples of this is right before the post-game interviews, or right at the end of the stream before the wrap up.
Turbo.Tactics
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany675 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 04:12:18
April 13 2011 04:11 GMT
#135
Awesome Day 1! Goeffs mic was a bit too quiet for my taste but besides that and the lagg issue (which only Blizzard can be accounted for) a great premiere gentlemen.
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Z-R0E
Profile Joined April 2009
United States147 Posts
April 13 2011 04:12 GMT
#136
The Good
+ Video quality & production value was fantastic. I felt bad for NASL after Dreamhack this morning, because their productions would inevitably be compared since they were the same day. NASL came through though, and exceeded my expectations in that regard.

+ The casting was better than I expected it to be. I don't mean that as an offense meant to iNc and Gretorp, even Tasteless & Artosis felt a bit awkward those first nights of GSL. I expected that kind of "we're still getting used to each other", but it's very noticeable you guys practiced before the final recordings. Kudos.

+ That split screen opening, that shows both players. Not much to say about it, just really dug it.

The Bad
- The gamma was a bit high. This is especially noticeable on the wire frames when a unit/building is in red health.

- The Twitter/Facebook reminder was a bit distracting. I don't mind it in concept, but it suddenly just appearing would often take my attention away from the game. Maybe fading it in/out, or even giving it permanently visible (perhaps a bit smaller, to the right of the game clock?).

- The camera was a bit jerky. I can only assume this is something that will get better in time, but still wanted to mention it as something to maybe focus improving on.

- No score display. I can't count how many times throughout the night I had a friend tune in late and ask me if this was the first game and what the score was.

- The Menu Bar (F10/F11/F12 buttons) at the top of the screen can be hidden in options.

The Misc
= I honestly didn't notice the lack of in-game music, but soon as I saw it mentioned in LR thread I couldn't stop noticing it. I don't know if that's a problem with the cast, or a problem with me.

= In light of the recent "is SC2 ready for television" talk, this kind of had a feeling like I was watching it on TV. That's definitely not a bad thing, just something I thought was interesting. I'm sure it's because it goes straight from game-to-game, no down time while we wait for players or extra long technical difficulties.
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Foxx1
Profile Joined April 2011
United States57 Posts
April 13 2011 04:12 GMT
#137
I'd like to buy a ticket, but through paypal.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-13 04:14:45
April 13 2011 04:12 GMT
#138
On April 13 2011 12:59 peekn wrote:
I know that this is very minimal but I would enjoy to see a current score in the series. The built in name/race/food that blizzard added is very beautiful and I love it, there just isn't a current player score.

Edit: Other than that, I LOVE the NASL as it stands right now great production, great stream, and good casting will be looking forward to the rest of the league.


They had one they showed a few times I think, but it didn't seem to stay up.

Music would be my #1 suggestion as the cast seems eerily quiet and some very quiet background music would really keep things feeling a bit better.

I like the commentating for the most part. It's great to have a really knowledgeable duo where they can really talk a lot about the more about the game and not just the obvious parts of the game while still sharing the mic time pretty well.

I also agree with all of this...
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On April 13 2011 13:12 Z-R0E wrote:
The Good
+ Video quality & production value was fantastic. I felt bad for NASL after Dreamhack this morning, because their productions would inevitably be compared since they were the same day. NASL came through though, and exceeded my expectations in that regard.

+ The casting was better than I expected it to be. I don't mean that as an offense meant to iNc and Gretorp, even Tasteless & Artosis felt a bit awkward those first nights of GSL. I expected that kind of "we're still getting used to each other", but it's very noticeable you guys practiced before the final recordings. Kudos.

+ That split screen opening, that shows both players. Not much to say about it, just really dug it.

The Bad
- The gamma was a bit high. This is especially noticeable on the wire frames when a unit/building is in red health.

- The Twitter/Facebook reminder was a bit distracting. I don't mind it in concept, but it suddenly just appearing would often take my attention away from the game. Maybe fading it in/out, or even giving it permanently visible (perhaps a bit smaller, to the right of the game clock?).

- The camera was a bit jerky. I can only assume this is something that will get better in time, but still wanted to mention it as something to maybe focus improving on.

- No score display. I can't count how many times throughout the night I had a friend tune in late and ask me if this was the first game and what the score was.

- The Menu Bar (F10/F11/F12 buttons) at the top of the screen can be hidden in options.

The Misc
= I honestly didn't notice the lack of in-game music, but soon as I saw it mentioned in LR thread I couldn't stop noticing it. I don't know if that's a problem with the cast, or a problem with me.

= In light of the recent "is SC2 ready for television" talk, this kind of had a feeling like I was watching it on TV. That's definitely not a bad thing, just something I thought was interesting. I'm sure it's because it goes straight from game-to-game, no down time while we wait for players or extra long technical difficulties.



Overall I really enjoyed it and am looking forward to seeing more. People need to remember this isn't an elimination situation yet and the groups are quite large so it's not going to feel really hype yet no matter what. Once we start getting into the end of the groups and then into the elimination portions the excitement level should pick up a lot.
Logo
Phtes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States370 Posts
April 13 2011 04:12 GMT
#139
On April 13 2011 13:10 Seam wrote:
Agreed, they should have the casters be Refs, or atleast have a ref there to hit pause if/when it's needed.


Well all ref, pausing junk aside, that match should have been restarted, if your lagging to the point of DC in a high micro part of the game, it really is killer, and you could see it in how he controled his army he was lagging horridly


Off-Topic: Lol at calling morrow a macro zerg -.-
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Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
April 13 2011 04:12 GMT
#140
Honestly, I can't believe people are so quick to say replace Gretorp. I think he is a good caster, and I didn't find him annoying, stupid, etc. Gretorp and Incontrol make a very good combo.

I think improving the mic quality is definitely a good place to start the improvements. I think that they should reduce the brightness in the game a tiny bit as well. Other than that, nothing bad really stoof out for me.

Great first day NASL ^^
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