EPTTips you would give to help improve the NASL - Page 38
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Greem
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reptile
United States210 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:27 TheRealPaciFist wrote: Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but I MUCH prefer dark background + lighter text, it is much nicer on my eyes. I use open office and emacs with black background and white text, and I even have a chrome bookmarklet that allows me to do a black white switch I'm under the impression that white on black is actually better for your eyes as well-I always invert the colors on my laptop with control-alt-command-8 and it makes reading long texts 100x easier. Though it makes TL look pretty ominous. | ||
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sigol
United Kingdom134 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:12 bkrow wrote: They can't do their current format in any other way besides online; if you want the player pool that NASL has and the sheer number of games that they are producing - the whole thing has to be done online. i didn't say the whole thing should be offline, infact i explicitly stated otherwise and used TSL3 as an example. i said if they're going to use the current format that this phase of the competition should be treated as online qualifiers and thus shouldn't receive much hype and therefore won't lead to disappointed people who were expecting more. Why can't people see this as the build up, the storyline, the road to the finals!? because it received an enormous amount of hype for what amounts to pre-recorded footage of games between two guys playing from their bedroom. there is no difference between what NASL is doing at this stage and the games casted by husky on his youtube channel.They are bringing you TOP TIER GAMES from some of the BEST players in the world every.. single.. day.. of.. the.. week!?!?! the problem is, they're not. there's so much filler in each of the groups that the majority of games aren't entertaining. How are you not excited by that? "Oh it's not live, and the casting is prerecorded" - are you still watching iNcontrol vs Ensnare? Yes! firstly, i'm not a psychologist, man. i guess you'll have to find one and ask them why people aren't as turned on at the prospect of watching something that isn't live despite them not knowing the result. secondly, yeah, i'm watching incontrol vs ensnare play... online. therefore i don't think it warrants much hype or much gravity being given to the result. And then the proposal is to make everything low key; a $400,000 prize pool venture and you want the opening phase to be low key? first, it's $400,000 over 4 seasons isn't it? let's remember that. preliminaries of other sports don't receive much attention and i'm proposing the same thing happens here. cast them, sure. the games are there if you want to see them, but the majority of them are going to be lacklustre affairs so i don't think it should garner much attention. virtually all the hype should be directed to the offline finals. a one or two day event, i don't know which it is. in the same vain as the dreamhack invitational just past. i think it should be "right, we've assembled these 8/16/whatever players via a series of online qualifiers, watch these badasses battle offline and take home a gorrilian dollars." logistics are a bitch, i get that. there has to be an online element to try and achieve the type of tournament they're after. i'm saying don't hype it to fuck, the studio is pointless at this stage, and hopefully the qualification process is forgiving enough that despite latency the top koreans make it through.  | ||
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
12.- Stream is too bright for some people. (lighting on the casters too) theres way too much gamma/whitelayer on the screen; ive only watch the NA stream of day 1-1 so i dont know if its fixed yet. IDK how this could be fixed; but the euro restream have people whos already watched it troll/spoil with the results on the justiv chat. Doesnt really matter since i watch it from the TL stream page. The commericals can be frequent as they want; but theres a stream delay of about ~30 seconds but /commerical is instant so sometime it cuts it off. So there could be a ./commerical timing But i guess this is silly to bring up since the people who paid and are watching live will have no ads and just have a blank spot if the casters are not talking. and the easy solution would give everyone ads like TSL but you would lose out on revenue. So a compromise would be reduce the price of the NASL season ticket and add commericals at convenient times such as 'going in to game 2' load screen. IMO it would make better production value and more organised then some random advert at a bad time. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:59 Nuttyguy wrote: theres way too much gamma/whitelayer on the screen; ive only watch the NA stream of day 1-1 so i dont know if its fixed yet. IDK how this could be fixed; but the euro restream have people whos already watched it troll/spoil with the results on the justiv chat. Doesnt really matter since i watch it from the TL stream page. The commericals can be frequent as they want; but theres a stream delay of about ~30 seconds but /commerical is instant so sometime it cuts it off. So there could be a ./commerical timing But i guess this is silly to bring up since the people who paid and are watching live will have no ads and just have a blank spot if the casters are not talking. and the easy solution would give everyone ads like TSL but you would lose out on revenue. So a compromise would be reduce the price of the NASL season ticket and add commericals at convenient times such as 'going in to game 2' load screen. IMO it would make better production value and more organised then some random advert at a bad time. They fixed the gamma issue towards the end of day 2-I suspect around the time when they first began getting feedback from Day 1. The major contributor was the map Crossfire that on max graphics settings has more glare than the Arctic Circle in the middle of summer. On April 15 2011 09:09 Aequos wrote: Hmm - I know this probably isn't going to be a hugely popular request, but could you run commercials, or the player application videos, during the long intermissions? About a third of the time I actually stick around and wait for the next game, and it'd be nice to have something, even if it is commercials, running while I wait. Fantastic idea. Give this man a medal! | ||
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
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mr.reee
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:51 sigol wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2011 08:12 bkrow wrote: They can't do their current format in any other way besides online; if you want the player pool that NASL has and the sheer number of games that they are producing - the whole thing has to be done online. i didn't say the whole thing should be offline, infact i explicitly stated otherwise and used TSL3 as an example. i said if they're going to use the current format that this phase of the competition should be treated as online qualifiers and thus shouldn't receive much hype and therefore won't lead to disappointed people who were expecting more. Why can't people see this as the build up, the storyline, the road to the finals!? because it received an enormous amount of hype for what amounts to pre-recorded footage of games between two guys playing from their bedroom. there is no difference between what NASL is doing at this stage and the games casted by husky on his youtube channel.They are bringing you TOP TIER GAMES from some of the BEST players in the world every.. single.. day.. of.. the.. week!?!?! the problem is, they're not. there's so much filler in each of the groups that the majority of games aren't entertaining. How are you not excited by that? "Oh it's not live, and the casting is prerecorded" - are you still watching iNcontrol vs Ensnare? Yes! firstly, i'm not a psychologist, man. i guess you'll have to find one and ask them why people aren't as turned on at the prospect of watching something that isn't live despite them not knowing the result. secondly, yeah, i'm watching incontrol vs ensnare play... online. therefore i don't think it warrants much hype or much gravity being given to the result. And then the proposal is to make everything low key; a $400,000 prize pool venture and you want the opening phase to be low key? first, it's $400,000 over 4 seasons isn't it? let's remember that. preliminaries of other sports don't receive much attention and i'm proposing the same thing happens here. cast them, sure. the games are there if you want to see them, but the majority of them are going to be lacklustre affairs so i don't think it should garner much attention. virtually all the hype should be directed to the offline finals. a one or two day event, i don't know which it is. in the same vain as the dreamhack invitational just past. i think it should be "right, we've assembled these 8/16/whatever players via a series of online qualifiers, watch these badasses battle offline and take home a gorrilian dollars." logistics are a bitch, i get that. there has to be an online element to try and achieve the type of tournament they're after. i'm saying don't hype it to fuck, the studio is pointless at this stage, and hopefully the qualification process is forgiving enough that despite latency the top koreans make it through. I understand your point about the hype; i think iNc was directing the hype at the entire concept. The bigger picture is worth all that hype but people are getting bogged down on the day-to-day occurences such as particular match ups and Gretorp casting. The idea of NASL, with the prize pool and a guaranteed 3 seasons is pretty damn incredible and the hype i believe is worth that sort of sizeable concept. The GSL Season 1 had a ton of terrible players, all the way through until recently where the best have been filtered through. It is bound to be this way with every tournament but as time goes on, the best will remain and the "filler" you refer to will fade away. Also, all of these "fillers" are capable of providing great games, and can challenge the best; at least there is potential for good games there. I also find it a bit strange you don't see it different from Husky casting his random games on his youtube channel; you're watching a tournament unfold - not some random replay pack Husky stumbled upon. Just my opinion of course  like i said i completely understand where you are coming from i just think people (not you specifically) need to give NASL some time to develop. They have been incredibly active in regards to managing the tournament; basing a lot of their decisions off community feedback. It has the potential | ||
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nutnut
Norway29 Posts
And if youre going to fix it, use white light, yellow makes you guys look sick.. This an obvious nit-pick, but if you want NASL to look good production wise, it's rather important. | ||
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
it's so flustruating to hear this obvious things. | ||
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aneruok
Canada122 Posts
Please see dreamhack for example. they did it very well. I'm not sure i enjoy the chemistry between Incontrol and Gretorp. Incontrol and Gretorp seem very serious in the casting and their jokes just dont work with each other. get JP in there with incontrol and that would be really nice i think. But maybe replace both of them if that is possible. Diggity was very profession and seems very solid at casting though. The guy just knows what to say, when to say it and seems very relaxed | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
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Clicker
United States1012 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=212764¤tpage=2#34 This is in regards to the lengthy pre-game show. I really understand that they're trying to give it a more professional feel, and a more TV-like presentation but the current pregame show needs to do one of the following 1) Be shortened substantially, less 'filler' talk and more relevant discussion. 2) The planned improvements to sound quality will make it a bit more appealing. 3) Go away entirely  (Aw man, this has been bothering me since day 1 and I even sent Incontrol a PM about it hoping he'd catch it. But I was literally just beaten to it by nutnut. On April 15 2011 09:48 nutnut wrote: Fix the lightning, use a full light instead of a spotlight, visible shadows add nothing but making the production look low budget, and it looks really tacky. And if youre going to fix it, use white light, yellow makes you guys look sick.. This an obvious nit-pick, but if you want NASL to look good production wise, it's rather important. Please, please, please. My father is a professional photographer and having spent many hours growing up on sets, I know what good lighting is supposed to look like. The current set-up could easily be imitated in a garage with a desk lamp. Nutnut, I don't think is a nitpick. Anyone who can recognize good-lighting will appreciate the changes. For the desk area that's being recorded, a sufficient professional lighting setup wouldn't really set the production costs back much. I'd love to see some softboxes in that studio. /love. Anyways going to back to the content of the cast, I'm going to compare it again to the set up that could easily be imitated in a garage by some ambitious YouTube caster. I like the direction the feel is aiming for, but there are a lot more steps that need to be taken to reach that beautiful polished result we're all eagerly waiting for. Oh, one final thing. This may already be planned by the NASL staff, but in the pre-game, it'd be awesome to see a pro-gamer jump in the discussion. Maybe even video overlay, sotg style. Incontrol mentioned they were aiming for a ESPN deskish kind of feel, and this would be a huge step in the right direction. Similar to various pros coming on to discuss the larger games for a day, or during the college gameday build-up. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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archonOOid
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Slayth
United States325 Posts
Have an overlay up all the time to see whos won what games, and the number position (similar to GSL). | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
Caster 1: Analytical and educational Caster 2: Commenting/Observing and emotional (both positive and negative) Both casters could do both but they have to remember their respective role. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
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