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Synk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States297 Posts
April 11 2011 00:22 GMT
#141
So are protoss in general all going economically greedy openings that are BO losses to 6 pools? What timing do you need to build your gateway to hold a 6 pool on a larger map? If protoss are being greedy every game then I feel like Zergs need to start 6 pooling more, just like how Toss and Terran constantly punish hatch first builds from Zerg.
Don't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Knutzi
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway664 Posts
April 11 2011 00:23 GMT
#142
6 pool is almost impossible to defend on some of the new maps if you scoute the zerg last : (
BloomFilter
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland240 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 00:27:07
April 11 2011 00:26 GMT
#143
I've uploaded the rep pack to drop.sc

http://drop.sc/packs/67
Living to learn. Learning to live.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
April 11 2011 00:30 GMT
#144
I don't wanna start some EU vs. NA war here but the players on NA seems kinda bad compared to the players on EU with the same rank (thinking on people who isn't in Masters). But I guess thats because more players on NA = more noobs. :p
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
April 11 2011 00:30 GMT
#145
On April 11 2011 09:26 BloomFilter wrote:
I've uploaded the rep pack to drop.sc

http://drop.sc/packs/67


Oh neat, I didn't know that site existed.
rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
April 11 2011 00:33 GMT
#146
On April 11 2011 09:30 Termit wrote:
I don't wanna start some EU vs. NA war here but the players on NA seems kinda bad compared to the players on EU with the same rank (thinking on people who isn't in Masters). But I guess thats because more players on NA = more noobs. :p


More players means there are more people to pick from when forming the top tier for the elite few too, so it's more of a compliment than an insult
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
April 11 2011 00:47 GMT
#147
On April 11 2011 09:33 rottenpotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 09:30 Termit wrote:
I don't wanna start some EU vs. NA war here but the players on NA seems kinda bad compared to the players on EU with the same rank (thinking on people who isn't in Masters). But I guess thats because more players on NA = more noobs. :p


More players means there are more people to pick from when forming the top tier for the elite few too, so it's more of a compliment than an insult



Dear Mr potato

Might be asking a bit much of you, but could you possibly write a guide for ZvP 6 pool, on how to execute it properly and defend it properly? Not like, a complete one or anything, cliff notes is fine too

Going through the replays i see kinda a variety of diff ways to defend, but you say you definitely absolutely need a forge to defend?
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
April 11 2011 00:47 GMT
#148
On April 11 2011 07:31 rottenpotato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 07:27 Bonkarooni wrote:
Wait..you don't condone cheesing, yet you cheesed for like a week straight and ruined everyone elses ladder experience?

I dont care if you cheese or not, but dont start your post by saying "This is a bad thing to do, and even though I do it all the time it isn't really who I am". Actually, your actions DO make you who you are.



I didn't say it was a bad thing to do, I said I don't normally do it.

The rest of your response - right.


If i were to put out one fire with a hose, could I say I'm a fire-fighter?


No, but you said that basically the entire reason you are high on ladder is because you cheesed your way up. If you spent your entire life fighting fires, and when they were going to give you a medal for fighting fires you were like "Yeah this isn't me" You'd be lying.
GetToDaChopa
Profile Joined September 2010
United States206 Posts
April 11 2011 00:53 GMT
#149
On April 11 2011 09:47 BrTarolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 09:33 rottenpotato wrote:
On April 11 2011 09:30 Termit wrote:
I don't wanna start some EU vs. NA war here but the players on NA seems kinda bad compared to the players on EU with the same rank (thinking on people who isn't in Masters). But I guess thats because more players on NA = more noobs. :p


More players means there are more people to pick from when forming the top tier for the elite few too, so it's more of a compliment than an insult



Dear Mr potato

Might be asking a bit much of you, but could you possibly write a guide for ZvP 6 pool, on how to execute it properly and defend it properly? Not like, a complete one or anything, cliff notes is fine too

Going through the replays i see kinda a variety of diff ways to defend, but you say you definitely absolutely need a forge to defend?

I'll talk to him for you Brtarolg and see what I can do. You see, I am his coach. I'm his sempaii and he my padawon. Actually, you or anyone who wants to come learn from my 6pooling student can hop onto quakenet irc we're in #mrpotato. We're pretty elite.
rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
April 11 2011 00:53 GMT
#150
On April 11 2011 09:47 BrTarolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 09:33 rottenpotato wrote:
On April 11 2011 09:30 Termit wrote:
I don't wanna start some EU vs. NA war here but the players on NA seems kinda bad compared to the players on EU with the same rank (thinking on people who isn't in Masters). But I guess thats because more players on NA = more noobs. :p


More players means there are more people to pick from when forming the top tier for the elite few too, so it's more of a compliment than an insult



Dear Mr potato

Might be asking a bit much of you, but could you possibly write a guide for ZvP 6 pool, on how to execute it properly and defend it properly? Not like, a complete one or anything, cliff notes is fine too

Going through the replays i see kinda a variety of diff ways to defend, but you say you definitely absolutely need a forge to defend?


A few pages back I outlined how to defend it as P.

As for executing it...well I think the replays speak for themselves.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
April 11 2011 01:03 GMT
#151
How does this work? I played a guy on EU who was 3524 last season by only 6 pooling... I tried it out in a custom game to see if I could beat someone, and I beat one toss who left the game the moment he saw my lings, and then lost to another player.

played a terran, I went to 6 pool him and the guy had a wall up lol wtf, worst strategy in the world vs terran. Won the game 20 minutes later anyways, because he was only 3k diamond, but yeah.

Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Co-lol-sus
Profile Joined December 2010
Bulgaria141 Posts
April 11 2011 01:08 GMT
#152
This is why I switched to terran. Not lying.

It felt uneasily unfair that I could get 12+ ladder wins in a row and then get the streak ended by a blind PvZ on Shattered Temple. I scouted at 9 and it was still way, way too late by the time I found him.
"You hatchet faced nutmeg dealer!" - Stephen Douglas to debate opponent Abraham Lincoln
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 11 2011 01:11 GMT
#153
I find it really interesting that protoss are still losing to this 90% of the time at high levels (according to the OP)

I mean, yeah last scout spawn on 4 player sucks, but thats probably what, 10% of your games?
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whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
April 11 2011 01:11 GMT
#154
I'm shocked 7 pool was that effective in ZvZ. I got annoyed by losing to it a couple of times in succession a while ago, so I practiced my response, and now if I scout an early pool I'm rubbing my hands with glee. The only times I don't come out ahead are when I open hatch first.
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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
April 11 2011 01:14 GMT
#155
Btw can you explain why you get the overlord before the 3rd ling?
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
April 11 2011 01:16 GMT
#156
On April 11 2011 08:59 MerciLess wrote:
Stupid way to win. I paid 60 bucks for Starcraft so I could have fun playing it, not to do cheesy shit to try and win. Most of us will never do this professionally, even fewer will do so successfully, so winning shouldn't be the end all. Seems like such a waste of a game that took 12 years to develop to 6 pool.


oh you mean like 2rax

oh you mean like 4gate

oh you mean like cannon rush, proxy 2gate zealot, 7pool spine crawler rush

early aggression is part of the game, scouting is part of the game

the best way to avoid these games is to thumbs down bad maps like slag pits
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
April 11 2011 01:18 GMT
#157
I think it's funny that all those people you beat couldnt defend it.
shadowboxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States224 Posts
April 11 2011 01:18 GMT
#158
To be perfectly honest, cheesing is THE way to get into masters if you're not already in it. Standard play will never get you there. I have a friend that is about 1/10th my skill level and he does a +1 timing with zerglings off of 2 base and all ins every game and it works the majority of the time. It also loses him just enough games for his MMR to be stable.

He beats me to masters because I'm an idiot and play super standard macro play every game. Needless to say all I do is cheese now and quickly climbed to rank 1 on EU and NA in diamond waiting for promotion.

TL;DR: Playing standard on ladder is fucking pointless until you get to masters.
"Hear that? That's God laughing at your plans."
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
April 11 2011 01:19 GMT
#159
On April 11 2011 08:15 Tatari wrote:
Dunno how a Protoss would lose to a 6 pool (unless they went for a forward Gateway at the nat instead of the main ramp). The second I see and confirm that a 6 pool just popped up, I throw down 2 gateways when I have the minerals and save up all chrono boosts for zealots and finish up my wall.


If you go a 13 gateway I'm fairly certain you can't fully wall with 2 gates... The best you can do is 2 gateways and 1 pylon and only one ling can attack the pylon. However, the problem is, if you scout it last, you already have your core making - your gas is up... And by the time you enter their base their knocking on your base with 6 lings. At that point it's pretty much game over as long as they don't 1a their lings into your mineral line. They can snipe your pylon and there is simply nothing you can do since the zealot has a ways to go to finish...

I haven't had much trouble dealing with 6 pool personally, but I think it's mainly they're execution is bad. I like to get a forge, fully wall off, and make a cannon. No zealots or anything, tends to work pretty well. If they go after your pylon with good probe your micro you will usually only lose 3-4 probes vs 6 lings if they decide to engage by your pylon.

Or the easy counter to it is go for 14 forge every game, auto win vs 15 hatch, pylon block + cannon vs 14 gas 14 pool.... Or just forge fe. I have been preferring this build lately, and it's not because the 6 pool threat. I find that it's a 67% the zerg auto loses if they 6 pool.
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red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
April 11 2011 01:20 GMT
#160
If you think 6 pool is your idea of a good time, then by all means go for it. I think I'd get bored to death doing the same strategy over and over again. Consider what's going to happen to you when you decide to stop 6 pooling though. Since you did nothing but cheese your skill at standard macro games won't have improved at all, and you'll just end up falling back down to your original rank.
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