It's no different than 4gating or 3raxscv all in to grandmasters except that the games are even shorter
Ladder games mean nothing. In BO3 (actual tournaments), you will be screwed
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101toss
3232 Posts
On August 10 2011 11:42 L3g3nd_ wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2011 04:49 Bad_Habit wrote: made masterleague in less than 6 hrs http://sc2ranks.com/us/2684458/Quark wow.. you shouldnt be able to do this... It's no different than 4gating or 3raxscv all in to grandmasters except that the games are even shorter Ladder games mean nothing. In BO3 (actual tournaments), you will be screwed | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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bLingKing
Canada33 Posts
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l3iRdMaN
United States72 Posts
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neo_sporin
United States516 Posts
i loled, but probably wont do it again. | ||
101toss
3232 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:16 neo_sporin wrote: so i NEVER cheese (6/7 pool) on ladder, after reading this thread a few days ago i 6 pooled the first protoss I came across on shakuras. He left game and pmed me after about "being a fucking jew who 6 pools and cant do anything else" and that i should "rot and burn in hell" i loled, but probably wont do it again. Punishes greedy protoss, I don't know why you wouldn't utilize such a build in your arsenal Even idra, a known macro player, will mix it in. Of course, if it is the only strategy your mechanics can handle, then that's bad. | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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sopas
509 Posts
On August 10 2011 12:17 101toss wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2011 11:42 L3g3nd_ wrote: On August 10 2011 04:49 Bad_Habit wrote: made masterleague in less than 6 hrs http://sc2ranks.com/us/2684458/Quark wow.. you shouldnt be able to do this... It's no different than 4gating or 3raxscv all in to grandmasters except that the games are even shorter Ladder games mean nothing. In BO3 (actual tournaments), you will be screwed yeah cos people doing those totally take the game 100% seriously and want to become the best player in the world'Z , oh wait...no | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On August 10 2011 12:17 101toss wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2011 11:42 L3g3nd_ wrote: On August 10 2011 04:49 Bad_Habit wrote: made masterleague in less than 6 hrs http://sc2ranks.com/us/2684458/Quark wow.. you shouldnt be able to do this... It's no different than 4gating or 3raxscv all in to grandmasters except that the games are even shorter Ladder games mean nothing. In BO3 (actual tournaments), you will be screwed No, it's not. If you play standard you will probably either: not scout the 6 pool in time, or you may to late (depending on the map). 4 Gate and 3 Rax scv are all predictable and scoutable. 6 pool is not. The reason why it has such a high win % against Protoss typically is when the Toss attempts an expansion build of some sort it is practically impossible to stop (like on Shakuras or Taldarim). IMO, 6 Pool is a stupid strategy and harder to stop for Protoss than the other two races. | ||
ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On August 11 2011 03:05 101toss wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2011 02:16 neo_sporin wrote: so i NEVER cheese (6/7 pool) on ladder, after reading this thread a few days ago i 6 pooled the first protoss I came across on shakuras. He left game and pmed me after about "being a fucking jew who 6 pools and cant do anything else" and that i should "rot and burn in hell" i loled, but probably wont do it again. Punishes greedy protoss, I don't know why you wouldn't utilize such a build in your arsenal Even idra, a known macro player, will mix it in. Of course, if it is the only strategy your mechanics can handle, then that's bad. Idra only 6pools out of desperation and frustration ![]() | ||
bigbeau
368 Posts
On August 13 2011 01:49 SniXSniPe wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2011 12:17 101toss wrote: On August 10 2011 11:42 L3g3nd_ wrote: On August 10 2011 04:49 Bad_Habit wrote: made masterleague in less than 6 hrs http://sc2ranks.com/us/2684458/Quark wow.. you shouldnt be able to do this... It's no different than 4gating or 3raxscv all in to grandmasters except that the games are even shorter Ladder games mean nothing. In BO3 (actual tournaments), you will be screwed No, it's not. If you play standard you will probably either: not scout the 6 pool in time, or you may to late (depending on the map). 4 Gate and 3 Rax scv are all predictable and scoutable. 6 pool is not. The reason why it has such a high win % against Protoss typically is when the Toss attempts an expansion build of some sort it is practically impossible to stop (like on Shakuras or Taldarim). IMO, 6 Pool is a stupid strategy and harder to stop for Protoss than the other two races. 6 pool is an awful strategy and while harder to stop with protoss, if you are a good player you should be capable of holding it with any race without walling off. Im not saying I never lose to it, but I cant micro my probes perfectly all the time. I mass 6 pool a lot on the ladder when im bored and I can tell you that it is one of the least powerful cheeses. Also, ladder is a competition, that's what ladder is. You try to get more points by winning. While ladder may be 'meaningless' to pros and used for practice, most people use ladder as their competition and so theres no point in saying 'These alliners arent gonna be the best player they can be' because they might be getting more points off allining and cheesing than they would by playing standard, in which case allining/cheesing all the time makes sense. Now, cheesing when youre practicing with a friend in a custom is stupid. But even cheesing in a custom game is a way to win the game, and thats what your intent is when entering any competition, to win. | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:02 Bad_Habit wrote: the lack of scout as zerg brought me to 6pooling. u CANT scout effiecient as a zerg. u ca send in 2 overlords, lose them and still u wont have an idea about whats going on. get ovie speed >.< | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:03 Welmu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2011 02:02 Bad_Habit wrote: the lack of scout as zerg brought me to 6pooling. u CANT scout effiecient as a zerg. u ca send in 2 overlords, lose them and still u wont have an idea about whats going on. get ovie speed >.< stop trolling plz | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:02 Bad_Habit wrote: the lack of scout as zerg brought me to 6pooling. u CANT scout effiecient as a zerg. u ca send in 2 overlords, lose them and still u wont have an idea about whats going on. That is absolutely retarded, and I play z myself. Zerg lacks means of scouting in the early/early-mid game, but using it as an excuse to 6pool? Rofl. | ||
RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State733 Posts
On August 13 2011 01:49 SniXSniPe wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2011 12:17 101toss wrote: On August 10 2011 11:42 L3g3nd_ wrote: On August 10 2011 04:49 Bad_Habit wrote: made masterleague in less than 6 hrs http://sc2ranks.com/us/2684458/Quark wow.. you shouldnt be able to do this... It's no different than 4gating or 3raxscv all in to grandmasters except that the games are even shorter Ladder games mean nothing. In BO3 (actual tournaments), you will be screwed No, it's not. If you play standard you will probably either: not scout the 6 pool in time, or you may to late (depending on the map). 4 Gate and 3 Rax scv are all predictable and scoutable. 6 pool is not. The reason why it has such a high win % against Protoss typically is when the Toss attempts an expansion build of some sort it is practically impossible to stop (like on Shakuras or Taldarim). IMO, 6 Pool is a stupid strategy and harder to stop for Protoss than the other two races. 6/7 pools are builds designed to punish Protoss for doing greedy builds. Forge fes, particularly nexus first, are "eco cheese"---you are taking a risk to get a superior mid-late game. You can't honestly expect Zergs to just let you do that | ||
Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On September 11 2011 06:06 GGTesomas wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2011 01:49 SniXSniPe wrote: On August 10 2011 12:17 101toss wrote: On August 10 2011 11:42 L3g3nd_ wrote: On August 10 2011 04:49 Bad_Habit wrote: made masterleague in less than 6 hrs http://sc2ranks.com/us/2684458/Quark wow.. you shouldnt be able to do this... It's no different than 4gating or 3raxscv all in to grandmasters except that the games are even shorter Ladder games mean nothing. In BO3 (actual tournaments), you will be screwed No, it's not. If you play standard you will probably either: not scout the 6 pool in time, or you may to late (depending on the map). 4 Gate and 3 Rax scv are all predictable and scoutable. 6 pool is not. The reason why it has such a high win % against Protoss typically is when the Toss attempts an expansion build of some sort it is practically impossible to stop (like on Shakuras or Taldarim). IMO, 6 Pool is a stupid strategy and harder to stop for Protoss than the other two races. 6/7 pools are builds designed to punish Protoss for doing greedy builds. Forge fes, particularly nexus first, are "eco cheese"---you are taking a risk to get a superior mid-late game. You can't honestly expect Zergs to just let you do that That logic is so dumb. FFE isn't eco-cheese in any sense. It isn't taking any risk besides to 7 pools, and even then it'll win if the zerg scouts the toss last/toss pylon scouts the zerg first. You are just crossing your fingers and hoping for a lucky coin flip, not punishing anything. | ||
hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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