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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
April 11 2011 23:24 GMT
#341
Awesome work.
strava.com/athletes/zhaodynasty
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 23:33:19
April 11 2011 23:32 GMT
#342
Well done, I actually mean it.

It seems relatively obvious that it will fall apart at some point (as you discovered) but I am surprised it was so late.

As for the BM, don't worry, I just got told zerg were "%$@#ing op" after I did a hatch first, defended a 4 gate then proceeded to outmacro him ...

The sad truth is a lot of toss on ladder only know their 4 gate build order. Terran can be pretty all in but at least they seem to use a variety of builds and timing pushes on both 1 and 2 bases which is a little less boring.

As for 6 pool ZvZ a 14 pool can hold it and those are relatively common.
Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
April 11 2011 23:48 GMT
#343
On April 12 2011 08:32 Sixes wrote:
Well done, I actually mean it.

It seems relatively obvious that it will fall apart at some point (as you discovered) but I am surprised it was so late.

As for the BM, don't worry, I just got told zerg were "%$@#ing op" after I did a hatch first, defended a 4 gate then proceeded to outmacro him ...

The sad truth is a lot of toss on ladder only know their 4 gate build order. Terran can be pretty all in but at least they seem to use a variety of builds and timing pushes on both 1 and 2 bases which is a little less boring.

As for 6 pool ZvZ a 14 pool can hold it and those are relatively common.



QFT, when I go against toss I barely even want to waste a probe scouting, I just get my 4gate defense ready, and prepare for a micro battle lol
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Drxz
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia115 Posts
April 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#344
On April 12 2011 07:37 FeyFey wrote:

Toss is just atm so focused on the late game, that they forget the early game ^^ and most zergs, allow them that they can do. And well terrans can't do anything early game x3. tech structure like toss, but only get half of an zealot out of it hehe. and getting an effectiv bunker up is a miracle, though the bunker makes the marines evil. But the depot really kills terran cheese ^^. (well or the early other races scout ^^; )



I do not know about your league/Server but at my league/server (Silver/Sea) Most protoss are just doing 4 gates, I play terran, so I can usually pretty safely just go 4 rax marauder for a free win against them. They do not often scout and if I see an observer in my base I just push out and usually take that free win.
Luck is oftentimes greater than skill
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
April 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#345
On April 12 2011 08:48 Carson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 08:32 Sixes wrote:
Well done, I actually mean it.

It seems relatively obvious that it will fall apart at some point (as you discovered) but I am surprised it was so late.

As for the BM, don't worry, I just got told zerg were "%$@#ing op" after I did a hatch first, defended a 4 gate then proceeded to outmacro him ...

The sad truth is a lot of toss on ladder only know their 4 gate build order. Terran can be pretty all in but at least they seem to use a variety of builds and timing pushes on both 1 and 2 bases which is a little less boring.

As for 6 pool ZvZ a 14 pool can hold it and those are relatively common.



QFT, when I go against toss I barely even want to waste a probe scouting, I just get my 4gate defense ready, and prepare for a micro battle lol

Going 4gate in PvP certainly doesn't mean you don't know other builds Especially on Taldarim!
Cuh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 01:21:05
April 12 2011 00:44 GMT
#346
lol i started doing this today after work... already went from silver to plat!!


Also.. Do you know which one you play KiWiKaKi in?
MarineKing | Nestea | MC
rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
April 12 2011 00:53 GMT
#347
On April 12 2011 09:44 Cuh wrote:
lol i started doing this today after work... already went from silver to plat!!


Sorry world.
Phraxas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia7 Posts
April 12 2011 02:05 GMT
#348
...I'm totally jumping on my SEA account and 6-pooling like mad tonight, methinks.
I smell a barbecue.
rottenpotato
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada130 Posts
April 12 2011 05:38 GMT
#349
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/6-Pool
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/7_Pool_(vs._Zerg)

I updated builds/put some notes on the wiki as well.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 12 2011 05:58 GMT
#350
Haha i have never played zerg - i mained Terran and recently started playing Protoss; maybe ill try this out for a few games for giggles

It just sounds like you are having so much fun!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
darkevilxe
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada346 Posts
April 12 2011 06:30 GMT
#351
what i dont understand is why probes have 40 total hp while the other workers have 50 - this may be an explanation why it works v protoss more often?
dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
April 12 2011 06:31 GMT
#352
On April 12 2011 15:30 darkevilxe wrote:
what i dont understand is why probes have 40 total hp while the other workers have 50 - this may be an explanation why it works v protoss more often?


Because their shields regenerate.
Chinesewonder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
April 12 2011 06:46 GMT
#353
I dont know why people QQ about the 6/7 pool when they 4 gate every game, or 2 rax every game. Cheese is a part of SC, you just have to learn to deal with it. If you get beaten by cheese, you got beat.
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
April 12 2011 07:52 GMT
#354
On April 12 2011 15:46 Chinesewonder wrote:
I dont know why people QQ about the 6/7 pool when they 4 gate every game, or 2 rax every game. Cheese is a part of SC, you just have to learn to deal with it. If you get beaten by cheese, you got beat.


The "rage against the cheese" syndrome is more due to loosing to something that seems to take less efforts to execute that it takes to be able to defend against it or even just not defendable in a current situation and if you somehow manage to take little to no damage you just won.
example: 7pool Zvp on tal'darim it's not possible to block your ramp soon enough without using a pylon so you must choose to be either lings resistant or banelings resistants, if you gate later than 11 or 12 and not use your pylon in your wall you've lost. It's the same as being in a PvP without forge or robotics and having 2 dt in your main and 1in the army defense of the other P, you lost.

It is clear that knowing that even if you make 0 mistake or if you manage your buildings/units to a 100% efficiency rate you have no chance to win and feeling powerless make someone irritable and it's normal.

But I wouldn't call anytime you arrive at some point in a game where you can't respond to your ennemy units a cheese or if you got outmacroed after 15 minutes would be called a cheese too.

the only think I can name as cheesy would be 6-7 pool, 2proxy gates, 1-2 proxy rax marine or marauder and early rax bunker rush, anything but that could be considered "normal play" even if those strategies/game plan include going "allin" to deal lots of damage or lose at some point in the game.
samuraibael
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia294 Posts
April 12 2011 08:05 GMT
#355
I just got promoted to gm league off a 6 pool vs p! This also improves win rates in other match ups because it allows you to focus on them rather than spending 90% of your energy trying to work out zvp.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
April 12 2011 11:14 GMT
#356
On April 12 2011 06:45 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 04:16 WhiteDog wrote:
6pool or even 7pool is great in a bo3 or more, but it's pretty useless in the ladder... You play to train yourself, what do you train by going 7pool ? Nothing, it's just like 4gate, retarded build that are great for mind gaming purpose, but useless in a bo1 game, unless you only play to get a nerd boner watching the victory screen.

And getting better at a video game gives you what? a nerd boner? Getting better and winning are the branches of the same tree, it's all vanity.

No, maybe you don't know it because you actually never got that far, but at some point, RTS games becomes really interesting and fun to play. But to reach that point, you have to master the basics: micro/macro/good enough APM/mechanics/game knowledge.

If you are good enough, you can play the game to its fullest, winning or loosing does not matter, but playing for a 20-30 min is wayyyyyyyyyyy different than winning with a cookie cutter strat that lead you into a 5min game.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
April 12 2011 12:19 GMT
#357
On April 12 2011 09:44 Cuh wrote:
lol i started doing this today after work... already went from silver to plat!!


Also.. Do you know which one you play KiWiKaKi in?


KiWiKaKi is Slag Pits (25).
I'm very good at making carriers.
Kira761
Profile Joined December 2010
United States62 Posts
April 12 2011 12:33 GMT
#358
On April 12 2011 15:30 darkevilxe wrote:
what i dont understand is why probes have 40 total hp while the other workers have 50 - this may be an explanation why it works v protoss more often?


scvs have 45 hp and drones have 40 hp.
ye
grandkai
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada71 Posts
April 15 2011 07:21 GMT
#359
Hey, sometimes I do this, sometimes I don't.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 17 2011 23:31 GMT
#360
SCV's have 45 hp because otherwise they lose in a straight up fight due to not regenerating hp... balancing thing. Nerfed from 60 because better ai made them too strong in all-ins, but it was buffed from 40 in like patch 1.0.8 which was like THE balance patch of sc1
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