ROOT and Kitty are parting ways. Things weren't working out too well between the two parties.
CatZ: Perhaps we rushed a bit to recruit him, he has amazing potential as a player and that's all we took into account, this was a hard descision for both sides. Kitty is only 17 years old and so we hope he matures into a great player, wish him all the best in whatever he decides to do, good luck Juan!.
from ROOT, Good Luck to Kitty aka Britney aka Princess in the future!
Obviosuly this was expected, I'm surprised Kitty lasted as long as he did (a month). I wonder where he's going to next? He's got a lot of talent and is very good already. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a team lined up in the near future.
It'd be nice to hear more from juan himself for his decision to part ways. By far one of the most mechanically gifted players from what I have seen. Never saw somebody utilize dropship harass like he did.
Hopefully he joins another progame team very soon and doesn't fall out of the proscene. That kid can smash faces if he really wanted to.
Wow I think many people called this kinda funny . I don't know much about him but seems as if he can't stick to one clan from what I read in when he got recruited.
On April 07 2011 06:04 FinestHour wrote: Did a problem arise because of his age?
Don't think so. He has always been the type of person to work really hard to get into a team, but once he's there he gets bored and wants another challenge. I'm wondering what will happen to him if/when he gets contracted O_O
ROOT and Kitty are parting ways. Things weren't working out too well between the two parties.
CatZ: Perhaps we rushed a bit to recruit him, he has amazing potential as a player and that's all we took into account, this was a hard descision for both sides. Kitty is only 17 years old and so we hope he matures into a great player, wish him all the best in whatever he decides to do, good luck Juan!.
from ROOT, Good Luck to Kitty aka Britney aka Princess in the future!
Obviosuly this was expected, I'm surprised Kitty lasted as long as he did (a month). I wonder where he's going to next? He's got a lot of talent and is very good already. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a team lined up in the near future.
haha xD
So true.
For those who didn't know, he teamhopped like once a week in BW
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
While so many people love to say 'aha I told you so,' I'm still sorry for ROOT to lose that kind of potential. But, he's certainly maintaining his reputation, I guess, so that's on him, not ROOT.
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
Hes not even that good though. Admin should go through the original thread and give a prize to whoever most closely predicted the time that he would stay on root for , everyone was proven right that he wouldn't last long.
Well, pretty happy about this. I felt he didn't really fit in with the rest of ROOT. Everyone else on ROOT is really mannered and good with the community for PR, where as princess was indeed a princess. I'm sure you'll do fine Juan, but glad ROOT is going away from you. ROOT Fighting ! <3
Yeah..I was hopping he would actually mature up in SC2, but oh well. Don't think it's a really a big hit to Root or anything (although they do need more terrans now)
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
Hes not even that good though. Admin should go through the original thread and give a prize to whoever most closely predicted the time that he would stay on root for , everyone was proven right that he wouldn't last long.
saying "hes not even that good though" is pretty idiotic and insulting. i'm not his lawyer, but please don't try to say that he's nothing short of a world-class terran. that kid is gosu as fuck.
well in reality being notorious for a clanhopper is publicity in the end of the day, and any publicity is good publicity... it'd be interesting to see what happens though if and when he gets a serious salaried offer with a contractual agreement... he might not be ready for that type of commitment X,X
come on, seriously? after all those posts when everyone was saying he wouldn't last long? I don't understand how is it even possible to change teams like that, doesn't he feel stupid? I mean what's the point in joining the team when you know you can't accept their rules and will leave in no time anyway..
it would be funny if he run out of teams and started CLAN TOUR ROUND 2
On April 07 2011 06:16 RuMCaKe wrote: Shocking news to say the least.
This is hardly shocking in the least if you've followed Gosi[Terran] since BW.
I go by ONERuMCaKe in game and run a team called All 4 ONE Gaming. There was a 4 day period before he joined root that he was ONEPrincess. So I was being sarcastic
In all seriousness though, this is a bummer for Juan because ROOT is a great team. Gl to Juan and I hope ROOT continues to do well.
From reading the posts in the recruit thread (not knowing his BW past) i was wondering how long he would last. From my experience the clan/guild-hoppers usually never stop and keep on hopping. Its not about his skill because i've seen him play and he has insane potential, its usually just boils down to the person himself having a structural problem. Hope he solves it, because he's damn good.
I just dont see a point to keep hoping, dont get you get to make friends in a clan etc. I could never just leave a clan to hop-hop-hop. I've been in clans/guilds basically till they die/stop playing.
Yeesh, this kid seems to be the walking definition of ADHD.
I've watched him quite a number of times and think he's an absolutely sick player... but on the other hand he's not very manner and comes off as very immature. I never thought he really fit in ROOT because of that, so I'm glad that this decision was made.
On April 07 2011 06:34 ElPokemono wrote: Yeesh, this kid seems to be the walking definition of ADHD.
I've watched him quite a number of times and think he's an absolutely sick player... but on the other hand he's not very manner and comes off as very immature. I never thought he really fit in ROOT because of that, so I'm glad that this decision was made.
On April 07 2011 06:34 Brett wrote: The funny part is that teams still bother picking him up lol...
its a hard deal; especially if you are a smaller unestablished team. Picking up someone like him can really bolster your roster and push you into the spotlight more, even though the risk is there that he will leave/etc. I know when I was running a certain team afew months ago, we talked about picking up some shady individuals solely based on their skill because we needed the boost/recognition.. but decided against it last minute. I can see why a team would take the chance though.
ROOT on the other hand, I dont think they needed him; but I guess they just believed in him that he wouldnt quit like hes done to every other team within a month.. guess that was a mistake lol
On April 07 2011 06:37 Sadistx wrote: I would have expected this on April 1st, but not like this out of the blue. What the hell? He's a consistent #1 on ladder?
Is it because he refused to move into the progaming house?
no, he just can't stay in a clan very long. He did it in bw clan hopped like every few days it seemed. Its just how he is.
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
or you could say, juan has more clans than chicks have shoes
On April 07 2011 06:37 Sadistx wrote: I would have expected this on April 1st, but not like this out of the blue. What the hell? He's a consistent #1 on ladder?
Is it because he refused to move into the progaming house?
no, he just can't stay in a clan very long. He did it in bw clan hopped like every few days it seemed. Its just how he is.
Yeah, but there's a big difference between a buncha random BW clans (didnt he get denied entry into Fnatic because of clan hopping) and ROOT, which is a top5 NA team.
I really thought he'd behave differently. My guess is he's gonna regret it within 10 days.
He's quite talented and really good, so it's hardly a surprise that teams keep picking him up.
He probably won't settle before getting a real pro contract that can sustain him, though. While I guess a lot of people will disagree, I'd still consider it a good investment, or at least an interesting option for any of the top teams. Look how Naniwa turned out, from Onebaseiwa to 26-2 at the last MLG when he got on dignitas.
On April 07 2011 06:37 Sadistx wrote: I would have expected this on April 1st, but not like this out of the blue. What the hell? He's a consistent #1 on ladder?
Is it because he refused to move into the progaming house?
no, he just can't stay in a clan very long. He did it in bw clan hopped like every few days it seemed. Its just how he is.
Yeah, but there's a big difference between a buncha random BW clans (didnt he get denied entry into Fnatic because of clan hopping) and ROOT, which is a top5 NA team.
I really thought he'd behave differently. My guess is he's gonna regret it within 10 days.
fnatic didnt have a BW team, but he was in Xeris' old BW team that later kinda formed fnatic, although he was removed due to dedication i believe. He was also in a couple other good teams (ESC. which was former MYM guys).
On April 07 2011 06:37 Sadistx wrote: I would have expected this on April 1st, but not like this out of the blue. What the hell? He's a consistent #1 on ladder?
Is it because he refused to move into the progaming house?
no, he just can't stay in a clan very long. He did it in bw clan hopped like every few days it seemed. Its just how he is.
Yeah, but there's a big difference between a buncha random BW clans (didnt he get denied entry into Fnatic because of clan hopping) and ROOT, which is a top5 NA team.
I really thought he'd behave differently. My guess is he's gonna regret it within 10 days.
He can have "potential" but as long as he acts like little whiny brat, there is no place in pro team for him O_o I saw when he really BM Destiny in Custom!!! training!!!!!!! game. I think its not something you can do with you team mate in practise game. Destiny seemed really confused and repeatly asked if he was just trollin him O_o;;;
Honestly though I'm having a hard time understanding the logic behind leaving Starcraft teams with such frequency, especially one like ROOT...
Would love to know what exactly is going through his head when he decides to leave a reputable team with sponsors. Just demonstrative of his immaturity I guess.
On April 07 2011 06:49 Duoma wrote:Would love to know what exactly is going through his head when he decides to leave a reputable team with sponsors. Just demonstrative of his immaturity I guess.
root-gaming.com isn't working for me at the moment, so I can't check - but was GosI kicked, or did he leave? CatZ's quote in the OP suggests to me that he was kicked, not that he left.
On April 07 2011 06:15 Sheth wrote: Well, pretty happy about this. I felt he didn't really fit in with the rest of ROOT. Everyone else on ROOT is really mannered and good with the community for PR, where as princess was indeed a princess. I'm sure you'll do fine Juan, but glad ROOT is going away from you. ROOT Fighting ! <3
6 months ago or so Naniwa was the same,he changed teams often,was kicked from them,was BM... People were trolling and flaming Nani the same way and look at him know, he roflstomps everyone and Dignitas is more than happy to have him. Im sure that in time GosI[Terran] will mature and establish himself as one of the best players in the world. Hes surely top 3 NA terrans atm.
On April 07 2011 06:15 Sheth wrote: Well, pretty happy about this. I felt he didn't really fit in with the rest of ROOT. Everyone else on ROOT is really mannered and good with the community for PR, where as princess was indeed a princess. I'm sure you'll do fine Juan, but glad ROOT is going away from you. ROOT Fighting ! <3
wtf, drew and I arent mannered at all :D
I agree. I can't begin to understand why this guy would leave root, only a few days after getting sponsors.
On April 07 2011 07:07 SuperStyle wrote: 6 months ago or so Naniwa was the same,he changed teams often,was kicked from them,was BM... People were trolling and flaming Nani the same way and look at him know, he roflstomps everyone and Dignitas is more than happy to have him. Im sure that in time GosI[Terran] will mature and establish himself as one of the best players in the world. Hes surely top 3 NA terrans atm.
My thoughts exactly. It'll just take some time, and some growing up.
I think the wording of Catz' announcement would have been different had Kitty/Princess/Britney left as opposed to being removed.
Honestly whenever I saw him on one of their streams he seemed incredibly BM (and for those saying ROOT is a BM team, there's a difference between their funny shenanigans and just being a straight up dick like Juan was.)
Kitty is still in high school, and I do think that he should have taken time to finish before jumping into SC2. However, one thing that I can't figure out is how Pokebunny can manage high school and professional playing. It seems like HS is a drain on time unless you're going to flunk and base everything on SC2.
On April 07 2011 07:31 moltenlead wrote: Kitty is still in high school, and I do think that he should have taken time to finish before jumping into SC2. However, one thing that I can't figure out is how Pokebunny can manage high school and professional playing. It seems like HS is a drain on time unless you're going to flunk and base everything on SC2.
HS doesn't take that much time at all unless you're really serious about it or do other after school activities. I'm still in HS o_o
On April 07 2011 07:31 moltenlead wrote: Kitty is still in high school, and I do think that he should have taken time to finish before jumping into SC2. However, one thing that I can't figure out is how Pokebunny can manage high school and professional playing. It seems like HS is a drain on time unless you're going to flunk and base everything on SC2.
huh? Leenock on team fou is in school and bounces between code s and code a in gsl.
Had no idea he had that kind of history with team hopping in BW. Talented player the victim of his own capriciousness. I guess I could have expected that from all the name switches.
On April 07 2011 07:31 moltenlead wrote: Kitty is still in high school, and I do think that he should have taken time to finish before jumping into SC2. However, one thing that I can't figure out is how Pokebunny can manage high school and professional playing. It seems like HS is a drain on time unless you're going to flunk and base everything on SC2.
HS doesn't take that much time at all unless you're really serious about it or do other after school activities. I'm still in HS o_o
I get the feeling that he was kicked as opposed to leaving the team. He didn't really seem to get along with the other members of ROOT. If he did leave, it's sad to see someone with his potential shoot himself in the foot.
I love how many people are hating on him lol.. guess they cant get over the fact hes better than everyone here on the thread and will only improve the more he plays
On April 07 2011 07:50 dapierow wrote: I love how many people are hating on him lol.. guess they cant get over the fact hes better than everyone here on the thread and will only improve the more he plays
No one is hating on his skill. Everyone is hating on or at least poking fun at his inability to remain with one team for more than a fortnight. Your fanboyism isn't helping either.
Best of luck to ROOT! And I hope this kid can find the true meaning of camaraderie and friendship with a future team.
On April 07 2011 07:31 moltenlead wrote: Kitty is still in high school, and I do think that he should have taken time to finish before jumping into SC2. However, one thing that I can't figure out is how Pokebunny can manage high school and professional playing. It seems like HS is a drain on time unless you're going to flunk and base everything on SC2.
Hah, perhaps it's different per country / person. I know I could spend roughly 8 hours a day on games when I was in highschool.
I watched him play on Destiny's stream a few times and he didn't seem to fit in too much though. He would tell Destiny he was way better than him and such, and it kind of seemed to me to be the kind of thing that could get on your nerves (assuming he did the same with team leaders Catz and Drewbie), so it didn't surprise me either. I don't know his BW history though, but anyone who changes names every two weeks might have a problem commiting. >.>
Part of me wants to start quoting all the people who said he was likely a changed person after the 2 years he has "matured" since doing the same thing in BW... but I will leave at this... "I'm not surprised." I'm glad he left though... he was the only Root member I didn't like because of his attitude. I hope they find a good terran replacement.
On April 07 2011 07:57 DeltruS wrote: Rofl nobody is going to recruit him now. I remember hearing he was being really stubborn and not listening to teammate advice.
well he only copies koreans, nothing else, and anything we said that was different from what koreans did was wrong to him
On April 07 2011 07:57 DeltruS wrote: Rofl nobody is going to recruit him now. I remember hearing he was being really stubborn and not listening to teammate advice.
well he only copies koreans, nothing else, and anything we said that was different from what koreans did was wrong to him
On April 07 2011 07:57 Tabbris wrote: Well one thing is for sure. This guy will never get married
Wouldn't quote you on that, women can get desperate too :D However I pity his future wife. As for the guy, I didn't know he was that good (people here seem convinced he is top 3 terrans in NA) but if he is, manner wouldn't be too much of a problem in finding a team. I'm not quite sure if the guy is mentally stable though, some stuff on Destiny's stream were pretty strange to say the least
On April 07 2011 07:57 Tabbris wrote: Well one thing is for sure. This guy will never get married
Wouldn't quote you on that, women can get desperate too :D However I pity his future wife. As for the guy, I didn't know he was that good (people here seem convinced he is top 3 terrans in NA) but if he is, manner wouldn't be too much of a problem in finding a team. I'm not quite sure if the guy is mentally stable though, some stuff on Destiny's stream were pretty strange to say the least
What did he do on Destinys stream? So curious now. :x
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
Same thing with picking a gaming handle. Pretty sure he wanted a new account so he can name himself ROOTBritney.
Can't say that we didn't warn you Root. I think the term sociopath accurately describes Juan: "Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others."
On April 07 2011 07:57 Tabbris wrote: Well one thing is for sure. This guy will never get married
Wouldn't quote you on that, women can get desperate too :D However I pity his future wife. As for the guy, I didn't know he was that good (people here seem convinced he is top 3 terrans in NA) but if he is, manner wouldn't be too much of a problem in finding a team. I'm not quite sure if the guy is mentally stable though, some stuff on Destiny's stream were pretty strange to say the least
Im not sure your mentally stable either after the post you made on the high thread talking about all the anti depressants youve taken, I pity your future wife aswell, but hey atleast youll be able to share your prescriptions with her
On April 07 2011 07:57 DeltruS wrote: Rofl nobody is going to recruit him now. I remember hearing he was being really stubborn and not listening to teammate advice.
well he only copies koreans, nothing else, and anything we said that was different from what koreans did was wrong to him
Just goes to show you, if you're good enough at the game, your team hopping past history doesnt really matter, that even top teams are willing to put up with you. =/
Interesting. I'm actually pretty happy for ROOT that this happened. No offense to Juan, but, like others have said, he didn't really fit in with the rest of the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they asked him to leave rather than him deciding to leave. Especially with CatZ wording it like they might have jumped too quickly into recruiting him. I think there's nothing wrong with that.
On April 07 2011 07:57 Tabbris wrote: Well one thing is for sure. This guy will never get married
Wouldn't quote you on that, women can get desperate too :D However I pity his future wife. As for the guy, I didn't know he was that good (people here seem convinced he is top 3 terrans in NA) but if he is, manner wouldn't be too much of a problem in finding a team. I'm not quite sure if the guy is mentally stable though, some stuff on Destiny's stream were pretty strange to say the least
Im not sure your mentally stable either after the post you made on the high thread talking about all the anti depressants youve taken, I pity your future wife aswell, but hey atleast youll be able to share your prescriptions with her
LOL, so bm ... I'm not quite sure you are mentally stable if you're stalking me :D And for the guy who asked what he did on Destiny's stream, can't recall any quotes right now, but it was actually my first impression on the guy (hadn't heard of him before) and it was kind of inadequate BM-ing, like CatZ or Drewbie bashing on each other like friends do, only it was actually serious ...
yeah i followed Gosi terran in broodwar, but i always saw him with the id gositerran.. so i cant really say anything bad about him clan hopping and such, but i hope he comes out to some mlg events,
Damn he was good player. Never got to see/hear his interactions with members of ROOT, perhaps that wouldve given me a better insight as to why they parted
:D hi no im not moving to the root house since catz wanna charge me $$ something i dont have i wanted to play in NASL but it was invite only i heard they doing one qualifier for top 16 so i might try to win that one and MLG was due to not having sponsor to pay expenses but i will bee looking forward playing tourneys
Can't help but think some of the things he said here may have had something to do with his dismissal/decision too leave
Maybe he was looking for a free ride to tournaments with no intentions of giving back to the team who got him there were he to win any
This kid isn't that bright is he? He sure had a bad rep from BW but an amazing skill, SC2 would be his fresh start and he got this amazing chance to play with ROOT and he screw it up after one fucking month. He's back on square one all over again. No one will take this guy serious ever again and I feel sorry for him and his next team.
I think this is for the best. I'm sure with his skills, there will be other teams for him. He just doesn't fit in with ROOT. There were nights when he would be playing against Destiny, Catz and other members of the team when it became painfully obvious of the personality clashes.
:D hi no im not moving to the root house since catz wanna charge me $$ something i dont have i wanted to play in NASL but it was invite only i heard they doing one qualifier for top 16 so i might try to win that one and MLG was due to not having sponsor to pay expenses but i will bee looking forward playing tourneys
Hmm I actually wonder what the $$ was he was talking about? a cut of his winings from tourneys (which would be understandable) or actual rent (consider hes still a minor)...
I dislike him, he is bad mannered, clan hops, and is way overhyped. I could beat him any day of the week and he has many opportunities in clans that I will never get simply because I don't have a big name.
Hehe, not surprised at all to say the least. More surprised root (or any team) would take him in to begin with, he has amazing talent but not the kind of person you want on a team
Meh w/e, it's a good thing for Root; this guy would have ended up embarrassing the team eventually with his immaturity. From what I've seen of him he was still very much a child.
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
:D hi no im not moving to the root house since catz wanna charge me $$ something i dont have i wanted to play in NASL but it was invite only i heard they doing one qualifier for top 16 so i might try to win that one and MLG was due to not having sponsor to pay expenses but i will bee looking forward playing tourneys
Hmm I actually wonder what the $$ was he was talking about? a cut of his winings from tourneys (which would be understandable) or actual rent (consider hes still a minor)...
He's talking about rent for sure. And it's kinda wierd to put it "catz wanna charge me", if you live together it's common sense to contribute to rent, food and all other stuff. Ofc he has to pay for himself.
I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
I second this. There could be more than what most are assuming on the immediate level and judging from his past.
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
Nah, no one is being unfair here. GosI[Terran] is ridiculous.
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
im right along with this guy. Also about the ROOT house thing, it does seem kind of weird to me to have to help pay rent for a teamhouse. Where exactly did catz expect him to get the money from? hes 17 years old ffs. You get sponsors for that very reason, so that they can support you so that you can get into the scene to give them publicity and make more money. Granted, ive never been a big ROOT fan and i do realize that Gosl is quite BM but until we get more facts about what went down no one should be judging him
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
im right along with this guy. Also about the ROOT house thing, it does seem kind of weird to me to have to help pay rent for a teamhouse. Where exactly did catz expect him to get the money from? hes 17 years old ffs. You get sponsors for that very reason, so that they can support you so that you can get into the scene to give them publicity and make more money. Granted, ive never been a big ROOT fan and i do realize that Gosl is quite BM but until we get more facts about what went down no one should be judging him
I am pretty sure people are actually judging him because of his past, not just because of him leaving ROOT.
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
None of ROOT's players were sponsored to go to any events yet, aside from Kiwi's individual sponsor. He WAS included in clanwars and everyone on the team practiced with him. Please don't spout your lack of knowledge and bash people in this thread who are rightfully unsurprised by this move.
On April 07 2011 09:18 Newguy wrote: I dislike him, he is bad mannered, clan hops, and is way overhyped. I could beat him any day of the week and he has many opportunities in clans that I will never get simply because I don't have a big name.
Oh yeah, i REALLY want to see you beat him, actually i'll pay for it...
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
im right along with this guy. Also about the ROOT house thing, it does seem kind of weird to me to have to help pay rent for a teamhouse. Where exactly did catz expect him to get the money from? hes 17 years old ffs. You get sponsors for that very reason, so that they can support you so that you can get into the scene to give them publicity and make more money. Granted, ive never been a big ROOT fan and i do realize that Gosl is quite BM but until we get more facts about what went down no one should be judging him
How is it fair that everyone else has to pay rent but not him
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
Complaining about people bandwagoning with incorrect information yourself?
ROOT trained with him constantly, they had everyone play with him and he was quite bad mannered in some of those sessions. Not the humorous kind of bad manner that the ROOT players often throw at each other either.
He was in training before they put him into clan wars since he claimed he only had a little over a month of experience. He was debuted in clan wars not to long ago and lost his first game to ppgBubbles.
He was never sponsored to go to any events? You mean like pretty much everyone else in ROOT until just recently? Everyone in ROOT carries their own weight, it's a tight nit team of individuals. They weren't excluding him.
Furthermore, he has a reputation that carries over from Brood War. In the thread where it was announced that he was joining ROOT, a lot of people predicted a swift departure.
There is no real bandwagoning here. Nobody is really being unfair.
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
im right along with this guy. Also about the ROOT house thing, it does seem kind of weird to me to have to help pay rent for a teamhouse. Where exactly did catz expect him to get the money from? hes 17 years old ffs. You get sponsors for that very reason, so that they can support you so that you can get into the scene to give them publicity and make more money. Granted, ive never been a big ROOT fan and i do realize that Gosl is quite BM but until we get more facts about what went down no one should be judging him
How is it fair that everyone else has to pay rent but not him
Did i say it was fair for them to pay rent also? They obviously accepted to already but imo it was a dumb idea to make a pro-gaming house without a sponsor to support them living there
Did i say it was fair for them to pay rent also? They obviously accepted to already but imo it was a dumb idea to make a pro-gaming house without a sponsor to support them living there
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
im right along with this guy. Also about the ROOT house thing, it does seem kind of weird to me to have to help pay rent for a teamhouse. Where exactly did catz expect him to get the money from? hes 17 years old ffs. You get sponsors for that very reason, so that they can support you so that you can get into the scene to give them publicity and make more money. Granted, ive never been a big ROOT fan and i do realize that Gosl is quite BM but until we get more facts about what went down no one should be judging him
How is it fair that everyone else has to pay rent but not him
Did i say it was fair for them to pay rent also? They obviously accepted to already but imo it was a dumb idea to make a pro-gaming house without a sponsor to support them living there
They seem to be managing just fine if you think it's dumb or not.
Did i say it was fair for them to pay rent also? They obviously accepted to already but imo it was a dumb idea to make a pro-gaming house without a sponsor to support them living there
Care to elaborate? I don't see how it's unfair.
I was just quoting him and he used to word fair. Its not unfair because obviously he can just deny to live there and not pay and the others accepted to pay. Im just saying that im not a fan of ROOTs business model and hopefully the sponsors are willing to pay now that they have them.
On April 07 2011 07:31 moltenlead wrote: Kitty is still in high school, and I do think that he should have taken time to finish before jumping into SC2. However, one thing that I can't figure out is how Pokebunny can manage high school and professional playing. It seems like HS is a drain on time unless you're going to flunk and base everything on SC2.
HS doesn't take that much time at all unless you're really serious about it or do other after school activities. I'm still in HS o_o
like a boss
So true though. If I was talented in sc I wouldn't been playing it non-stop in high school too.
On April 07 2011 09:46 tyCe wrote: I think people are being unfair here. We don't know what exactly happened. Further, it never seemed as though ROOT included them in their activities. For instance, he was never sponsored to go to any events and often didn't appear in their clan wars. I know ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently, but that harms Juan more since he can't play in as many big tourneys and fund himself. Perhaps he wants a team that can give him financial backing. Anyhow, the number of bandwagoners in the SC2 section just absolutely disgusts me.
im right along with this guy. Also about the ROOT house thing, it does seem kind of weird to me to have to help pay rent for a teamhouse. Where exactly did catz expect him to get the money from? hes 17 years old ffs. You get sponsors for that very reason, so that they can support you so that you can get into the scene to give them publicity and make more money. Granted, ive never been a big ROOT fan and i do realize that Gosl is quite BM but until we get more facts about what went down no one should be judging him
How is it fair that everyone else has to pay rent but not him
Did i say it was fair for them to pay rent also? They obviously accepted to already but imo it was a dumb idea to make a pro-gaming house without a sponsor to support them living there
They are just friends who live together and play SC2. WTF are you going on about with your cookie-cutter notion of a pro-gaming house...what a douche.
On April 07 2011 10:16 Dawski wrote: I was just quoting him and he used to word fair. Its not unfair because obviously he can just deny to live there and not pay and the others accepted to pay. Im just saying that im not a fan of ROOTs business model and hopefully the sponsors are willing to pay now that they have them.
What business model exactly? The business model of working together to sustain a team until you get sponsors? I mean... I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.
guys you have to calm down haha. Stop jumping all over anyone who doesnt agree with you with words like "douche" and face my actual point -- "I dont think it was smart to rent out a pro-gaming house before you have sponsors since now they wont want to pay for it. Especially if they were going to get sponsors as huge as they did probably willing to shell out quite a bit"
On April 07 2011 10:30 Dawski wrote: guys you have to calm down haha. Stop jumping all over anyone who doesnt agree with you with words like "douche" and face my actual point -- "I dont think it was smart to rent out a pro-gaming house before you have sponsors since now they wont want to pay for it. Especially if they were going to get sponsors as huge as they did probably willing to shell out quite a bit"
The players have to live somewhere, and a couple of them decided to rent a place together. I'm quite sure that if there were ANY way for a sponsor to consider paying their rent in the first place, their already being in a house together will not affect the sponsor's willingness to do this in the slightest.
After all, a sponsor would do this to enable them to focus on practice rather than coaching in the hope that it would ultimately enhance the value of their sponsorship, and whether they're already living in a house together or not, that arrangement would have the same value.
On April 07 2011 10:30 Dawski wrote: guys you have to calm down haha. Stop jumping all over anyone who doesnt agree with you with words like "douche" and face my actual point -- "I dont think it was smart to rent out a pro-gaming house before you have sponsors since now they wont want to pay for it. Especially if they were going to get sponsors as huge as they did probably willing to shell out quite a bit"
Your point makes no sense because you have little info on the situation.
It wasn't a progaming house to being with; it was just a place owned by catz and his parents. He lived on his own, later decided to get roommates to help pay rent, and from there entered his friends (drewbie, tt1 and fenix).
I think the issue lies in his age and potentially a lack of maturity to really commit and follow through on the requirements needed to really be on a professional SC2 Team.
Good luck to Gosi in the future and hope ROOT and him parted ways positively.
i think hes been in a dilema to find a good name that match with ROOT, ROOTbritney.... nahhh... ROOTprincess.... nahhh ROOTkitty.... nah... screw it i cant match a good queer name with ROOT so im gonna switch teams XD
anyways jk aside, I think he prob a lack of communication with his fellow peers/root members, maybe there was a certain age difference between him and the other root members or he was still too immature, I could tell that catz and drewbie made an effort to welcome him to the team from watching their streams
Did i say it was fair for them to pay rent also? They obviously accepted to already but imo it was a dumb idea to make a pro-gaming house without a sponsor to support them living there
Care to elaborate? I don't see how it's unfair.
I was just quoting him and he used to word fair. Its not unfair because obviously he can just deny to live there and not pay and the others accepted to pay. Im just saying that im not a fan of ROOTs business model and hopefully the sponsors are willing to pay now that they have them.
I'm sorry that catz and edward did not consult your infinite wisdom before making team decisions.
I wonder what terran [if any] ROOT is going to scout/aquire to fill the QXC, Kitty[princess] void?
Firstly, the notion that the house Catz and Drew are living together in is a "PRO GAMING HOUSE" is simply lol. I recall about 4 months ago CatZ advertising on his stream something along the lines of "If your in the area and need a place to rent, come apply to rent a house with me. I THINK Drew is coming down, and if I have to share a house with anyone, I'd rather them have at least the slightest interest in SC."
Its not a pro house where "Here is your mat to sleep on. When you wake up, roll it up, then go play for 12 hours. This is the chef, this is the cleaner.
Secondly. He is just a kid. Obviously his reputation has outgrown him. Give him time before he realizes the shortcomings of his adolescent years. At 17 I was still shitting in my pants. Give him some space.
Thirdly. As an aussie, its RARE that I ever catch a ROOT stream anymore Anyone able to fill me in to the BM that was actually said? Seems like the kid is overconfident and cocky (However I did just say that I haven't seen the BM first hand, im just speculating. No fanboysm required.)
On April 07 2011 07:31 moltenlead wrote: Kitty is still in high school, and I do think that he should have taken time to finish before jumping into SC2. However, one thing that I can't figure out is how Pokebunny can manage high school and professional playing. It seems like HS is a drain on time unless you're going to flunk and base everything on SC2.
HS doesn't take that much time at all unless you're really serious about it or do other after school activities. I'm still in HS o_o
Never knew you were in high school lol, always assumed 19 or so o.O
Yeah, I guess that that is pretty true. I spend ages on academics, and therefore do not have much time to play SC2, but it all varies with the program you're doing (i'm IB).
I was kinda surprised when this happened because I never really knew anything about Brood War, and I did think that he was going to do well in ROOT, especially based on his FXOPEN results. The name changes were really confusing for a while, and he seemed pretty arrogant while playing, but hopefully he can manner up (or become good enough to get away with it). Personally, I think you should be able to rage internally, but don't show it. Rooney is getting a shitstorm with his tirade, and cleaning up our individual acts may be able to get esports more recognition.
On April 07 2011 13:38 aliciakeyzz wrote: a ton of people left root.. sheth, qxc, etc. there must be good reasons
i think its really an issue of money. sheth,qxc were both player who had no loyalty. they were both sellouts to fxo and their money making scheme. i really don't want to get into how much i dislike fxo on this thread though.
basically it comes down to root not having the money to keep the players who want money. kiwi, catz and drewbie all will stick around since they have loyality and they love root. they won't sellout to the higest bidder.
if you look at a interview askjoshy did with kiwikaki, he said he has had offers, but didn't take them since he wants to stay with root. catz has said the same thing in an old interview, though it was for root as a while, not just for a player.
On April 07 2011 13:38 aliciakeyzz wrote: a ton of people left root.. sheth, qxc, etc. there must be good reasons
There are good reasons if you inform yourself before posting stupid crap like this.
Sheth: Left ROOT when they were devoid of any sponsorship after receiving an offer of a paid position at FXO.
QXC: Went to school in Spain and couldn't afford to travel to compete, without sponsors ROOT couldn't support him, so again when FXO had an available paid position open, he took it.
Who are the etc you are referring too? Maybe think before you post next time.
On April 07 2011 14:03 masterbreti wrote:i think its really an issue of money. sheth,qxc were both player who had no loyalty. they were both sellouts to fxo and their money making scheme. i really don't want to get into how much i dislike fxo on this thread though.
I think there's a lot of unnecessary shots in these statements, I don't think it's fair to say Sheth and QXC had no loyalty. They both had their own circumstances to deal with. QXC was in Spain, was dealing with university, was somewhat out of practice and wanted to focus on Korea. By the time he left ROOT he was already doing his own thing and it wasn't a huge loss.
Players leaving a team aren't always sellouts, that's a very stupid way of looking at it. There isn't animosity between a lot of these players. I don't see any reason to dislike FXO because Sheth and QXC joined it after leaving ROOT.
Getting back more on topic, Gosi or Kitty is a bit of a different story as he apparently had a history of bad manner, loyalty issues and team hopping. A lot of people said that he'd likely jump ship fairly soon and generally voiced concern about him joining ROOT.
Disappointed to see ROOT lose one of their players, altho it's arguable if he could really have been considered as such, taking his reputation into account...
On April 07 2011 06:11 gulati wrote: time for drewbie to step it up ~~
On April 07 2011 13:38 aliciakeyzz wrote: a ton of people left root.. sheth, qxc, etc. there must be good reasons
There are good reasons if you inform yourself before posting stupid crap like this.
Sheth: Left ROOT when they were devoid of any sponsorship after receiving an offer of a paid position at FXO.
QXC: Went to school in Spain and couldn't afford to travel to compete, without sponsors ROOT couldn't support him, so again when FXO had an available paid position open, he took it.
Who are the etc you are referring too? Maybe think before you post next time.
sound good to me.
and imo, isnt it normal for players to generally go to the highest bidder anyways, thats what usually happens in real sports.
On April 07 2011 13:38 aliciakeyzz wrote: a ton of people left root.. sheth, qxc, etc. there must be good reasons
There are good reasons if you inform yourself before posting stupid crap like this.
Sheth: Left ROOT when they were devoid of any sponsorship after receiving an offer of a paid position at FXO.
QXC: Went to school in Spain and couldn't afford to travel to compete, without sponsors ROOT couldn't support him, so again when FXO had an available paid position open, he took it.
Who are the etc you are referring too? Maybe think before you post next time.
sound good to me.
and imo, isnt it normal for players to generally go to the highest bidder anyways, thats what usually happens in real sports.
I wouldn't really agree to that, some people do feel loyal to their teams. You couldn't pay me to leave root. Root has some of the nicest guys I've ever known.
Sheth/qxc needed money to travel and stuff, so they had to leave which is pretty understandable.
I wouldn't really agree to that, some people do feel loyal to their teams. You couldn't pay me to leave root. Root has some of the nicest guys I've ever known.
I don't think it's ever really fair to criticize someone who is trying to do something for their career by calling them a sell-out. Professional gamers are doing what they do to make a living, professional game teams are doing what they do to make money. It's not reasonable to expect every pro player to stay with their original team just because they're BFFs.
On April 07 2011 14:22 PhiliBiRD wrote: sound good to me.
and imo, isnt it normal for players to generally go to the highest bidder anyways, thats what usually happens in real sports.
Not always true, a number of players in ROOT have stated they have no desire to switch to a sponsored team and would rather continue to grow with what they have and build ROOT up.
On April 07 2011 13:38 aliciakeyzz wrote: a ton of people left root.. sheth, qxc, etc. there must be good reasons
There are good reasons if you inform yourself before posting stupid crap like this.
Sheth: Left ROOT when they were devoid of any sponsorship after receiving an offer of a paid position at FXO.
QXC: Went to school in Spain and couldn't afford to travel to compete, without sponsors ROOT couldn't support him, so again when FXO had an available paid position open, he took it.
Who are the etc you are referring too? Maybe think before you post next time.
sound good to me.
and imo, isnt it normal for players to generally go to the highest bidder anyways, thats what usually happens in real sports.
I wouldn't really agree to that, some people do feel loyal to their teams. You couldn't pay me to leave root. Root has some of the nicest guys I've ever known.
Sheth/qxc needed money to travel and stuff, so they had to leave which is pretty understandable.
That's cuz you're awesome, and so is ROOT! Hope you do well in the future, like, even better than now. : ]
I wouldn't really agree to that, some people do feel loyal to their teams. You couldn't pay me to leave root. Root has some of the nicest guys I've ever known.
What about for a hundred million dollars.....
*facepalm* (I know the sarcasm)
Not the case in point. I have always viewed ROOT as a close team, and hope it stays that way. Read up on gositerran a bit and it was pretty amusing actually.
EDIT: Got lazy and put gosi instead of gositerran o.O
On April 07 2011 13:38 aliciakeyzz wrote: a ton of people left root.. sheth, qxc, etc. there must be good reasons
i think its really an issue of money. sheth,qxc were both player who had no loyalty. they were both sellouts to fxo and their money making scheme. i really don't want to get into how much i dislike fxo on this thread though.
basically it comes down to root not having the money to keep the players who want money. kiwi, catz and drewbie all will stick around since they have loyality and they love root. they won't sellout to the higest bidder.
if you look at a interview askjoshy did with kiwikaki, he said he has had offers, but didn't take them since he wants to stay with root. catz has said the same thing in an old interview, though it was for root as a while, not just for a player.
ok i'm sorry saying sheth/qxc don't have any loyalty? I imagine they both had sponsorship offers before they finally decided to accept due to wanting to go to vents due to finances (especially qxc like he lives in spain, he wants to attend MLG but he can't do that with no sponsor).
For kiwikaki, I believe he was a poker player who made hundreds and thousands of dollars from what I was told so he's in no need of money at this time so I am not surprised at all he has declined other sponsors.
He is just a kid that wants to do whatever he wants, really great potential, but he will never achive a real title if doesnt make some dicipline on him, maybe he should make his own team?? haha just saying
I wouldn't really agree to that, some people do feel loyal to their teams. You couldn't pay me to leave root. Root has some of the nicest guys I've ever known.
What about for a hundred million dollars.....
*facepalm* (I know the sarcasm)
Not the case in point. I have always viewed ROOT as a close team, and hope it stays that way. Read up on gosi a bit and it was pretty amusing actually.
Just FYI, GosI is actually the clan. Terran was his ID. There were Korean progamers in the GosI clan, such as GosI[Flying].
Dudes, seriously... I dont see any reasonable importance in his age. If someone is being dick when he is 15, he mostly will be dick even when he is 50... In my opinion, saying stuff like "Oh he is still so young, he will mature eventualy and stops acting like a moron" is totaly off the hook. Being clanhoper and unmannered arogant brat is something totally unconected with age! I mean, is 17 really that young to realize that I m acting little bit moronish ? When i was playing Quake2 competetive back then (like 13 years back in past ) I was 12! never switched clan until me and my friend managed to set our own and then stick with it till today ( never technically left ) Then I was playing Warcraft 3 from my 16 years and changed like 2 clans for the whole time I played ( like 5-6 years ) Please stop defending him by his age its insulting for all the young people who have skill, manner and the right mindset!!
Dudes, seriously... I dont see any reasonable importance in his age. If someone is being dick when he is 15, he mostly will be dick even when he is 50... In my opinion, saying stuff like "Oh he is still so young, he will mature eventualy and stops acting like a moron" is totaly off the hook. Being clanhoper and unmannered arogant brat is something totally unconected with age! I mean, is 17 really that young to realize that I m acting little bit moronish ? When i was playing Quake2 competetive back then (like 13 years back in past ) I was 12! never switched clan until me and my friend managed to set our own and then stick with it till today ( never technically left ) Then I was playing Warcraft 3 from my 16 years and changed like 2 clans for the whole time I played ( like 5-6 years ) Please stop defending him by his age its insulting for all the young people who have skill, manner and the right mindset!!
Um, no. Learn some basic psychology before you make noodly statements such as yours. Kitty is still going through puberty, aka he's still a kid. Adolescents behave differently than adults just as pre-adolescents behave differently than adults. He's probably still in that stage of self-discovery and finding his peers. Also, don't forget all that testosterone.
When I think about days of playing WoW at age 15 and 16, I can remember how much of a fucking dickwad I was. I was a raider and somewhat known DPS warrior theorycrafter, so I felt like I was entitled to be a reckless dick. I'd imagine that Kitty is currently in about the same stage that I was in those days.
Hilarious that anyone thinks because you act like a dummy at 15 years old you will when you are 50. Posting nonsense like this just reinforces the post you are trying to debunk. Certain people do not act their age, old and young, however some people DO act their age and a 15 year old can be pretty immature. Hell, I remember when I was 15 I used to flashbang my team constantly in CS and I thought it was hilarious. I was that guy that had goatse as his spray paint and didn't really care about team kills.
On April 07 2011 16:44 jester- wrote: Hilarious that anyone thinks because you act like a dummy at 15 years old you will when you are 50. Posting nonsense like this just reinforces the post you are trying to debunk. Certain people do not act their age, old and young, however some people DO act their age and a 15 year old can be pretty immature. Hell, I remember when I was 15 I used to flashbang my team constantly in CS and I thought it was hilarious. I was that guy that had goatse as his spray paint and didn't really care about team kills.
Age is not a free card to "maturity", at least not in all of the cases. You can only generalize so much. Let's just acknowledge that there is not enough information about GosI[Terran] and leave it at that.
I saw his games on destinys or catzs stream and he was very impressing skillwise. Still I wonder how he wants to become a progamer if no team takes him serious anymore.
On April 07 2011 15:47 MaHi wrote: If someone is being dick when he is 15, he mostly will be dick even when he is 50.
Speaking as someone who's closer to 50 than 15 (and no I'm not 50 years old), most people I've known from their mid-teens have grown up an awful lot once they hit 22 or so.
On April 07 2011 16:44 jester- wrote: Hilarious that anyone thinks because you act like a dummy at 15 years old you will when you are 50. Posting nonsense like this just reinforces the post you are trying to debunk. Certain people do not act their age,old and young, however some people DO act their age and a 15 year old can be pretty immature. Hell, I remember when I was 15 I used to flashbang my team constantly in CS and I thought it was hilarious. I was that guy that had goatse as his spray paint and didn't really care about team kills.
Age is not a free card to "maturity", at least not in all of the cases. You can only generalize so much. Let's just acknowledge that there is not enough information about GosI[Terran] and leave it at that.
Why don't you read the post you are quoting before writing a rebuttal to it...? Bolded the relevant parts.
I'm wondering tho... this guy plays SC2 for like 2 monts now? He's R1 in the world on ladder (atleast he was) and has a pretty insane win/loss. I also checked out some of his replays and he rlly dominates most of his opponents. Couldn't this guy be one of the best in the world if he started to just act normal and actually stay on a team
On April 07 2011 15:47 MaHi wrote: Dudes, seriously... I dont see any reasonable importance in his age. If someone is being dick when he is 15, he mostly will be dick even when he is 50... In my opinion, saying stuff like "Oh he is still so young, he will mature eventualy and stops acting like a moron" is totaly off the hook. Being clanhoper and unmannered arogant brat is something totally unconected with age! I mean, is 17 really that young to realize that I m acting little bit moronish ? When i was playing Quake2 competetive back then (like 13 years back in past ) I was 12! never switched clan until me and my friend managed to set our own and then stick with it till today ( never technically left ) Then I was playing Warcraft 3 from my 16 years and changed like 2 clans for the whole time I played ( like 5-6 years ) Please stop defending him by his age its insulting for all the young people who have skill, manner and the right mindset!!
man i have so many examples when players who was complete morons and douches in 15-17 turned out to be really cool and wise dudes after they hit 20 ...
Maybe when you're 15, but for 17? With age might come less bad manner and whatnot, but 17 is already a point where you're expected to be acting maturely in your relation to other people, the fact he could become more mature still not withstanding.
On April 07 2011 15:47 MaHi wrote: Dudes, seriously... I dont see any reasonable importance in his age. If someone is being dick when he is 15, he mostly will be dick even when he is 50... In my opinion, saying stuff like "Oh he is still so young, he will mature eventualy and stops acting like a moron" is totaly off the hook. Being clanhoper and unmannered arogant brat is something totally unconected with age! I mean, is 17 really that young to realize that I m acting little bit moronish ? When i was playing Quake2 competetive back then (like 13 years back in past ) I was 12! never switched clan until me and my friend managed to set our own and then stick with it till today ( never technically left ) Then I was playing Warcraft 3 from my 16 years and changed like 2 clans for the whole time I played ( like 5-6 years ) Please stop defending him by his age its insulting for all the young people who have skill, manner and the right mindset!!
Meh, grats on being so mature for your age.
When I was 15/16 I would carry around my guitar all day because it was the one thing I could do, and I wanted people to know it. I'd play the "emotional musician" just because there was space for me to do so. 8 years on I feel like a complete dick for it. The point of this lame story? When you're that age you don't realize exactly what you're doing. He is just showing how IMMATURE he is. This isn't giving him a "free pass" because he's young. Its calling him an ignorant child.
Well, many people blamed me here for what I wrote, but Im still standing for my opinion. I dont wanna argue here as I think there is no reason for argument but still... I went to a 8 year grammar school and I faced many people from their 12 years age to their 20s and the most of them who were assholes back then, were actually worse and worse as they were getting older... Im not saying its 100 percent truth, but from my experience its very usual Anyway we are talking about dude who is 17 now! Its almost maturity in my country so dont tell me hes still kid or something! By 17 you definetely should know what is OK and what is over the line! And from what I ve seen from GosiTerran, he may be skilled etc etc but hes just pure asshole to other people.
On April 07 2011 19:25 MaHi wrote: Well, many people blamed me here for what I wrote, but Im still standing for my opinion. I dont wanna argue here as I think there is no reason for argument but still... I went to a 8 year grammar school and I faced many people from their 12 years age to their 20s and the most of them who were assholes back then, were actually worse and worse as they were getting older... Im not saying its 100 percent truth, but from my experience its very usual Anyway we are talking about dude who is 17 now! Its almost maturity in my country so dont tell me hes still kid or something! By 17 you definetely should know what is OK and what is over the line! And from what I ve seen from GosiTerran, he may be skilled etc etc but hes just pure asshole to other people.
no one cares what u say why dont u just shut it down just writing bunch of wall's of text without knowing anything about me
On April 07 2011 19:33 Gositerran wrote: no one cares what u say why dont u just shut it down just writing bunch of wall's of text without knowing anything about me
Yeah? Ok whatever. So if you really read this topic, why dontcha fill us your version of story? I think Im not the only one who wanna hear how things went
the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
Your should've been aware of the fact that root did not have "real" sponsors when you joined.
who gives a shit gosI[terran] is a boss and he can leave teams if he wants. He is better than 3/4 of root already and his been playing for like sc2 for like 3 months? deserves a better team with actual sponsors.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
why is it that everytime i see u talk it makes me want to punch you in the face?
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
Punctuation is tough.
I look forward to the announcement of your new team and the subsequent announcement of you leaving said team.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort
this is fucking gold, there should be a timer set!
Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
Good luck to Kitty, he got insane talent and I am sure he will do very well. However, reading his recent post kind of makes me very happy he and ROOT parted ways. Clearly doesn't fit with the rest of ROOT's integrity and philosophy.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
why is it that everytime i see u talk it makes me want to punch you in the face?
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maybe its because your an angry person, however i doubt that.. but don't forget that pinata may have the form of kitty's kitty isn't a pinata you can beat with a stick ^^
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
What the hell is he saying? Seems like a really clueless kid to me. Surprised catz picked him up in the first place.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
What the hell is he saying? Seems like a really clueless kid to me. Surprised catz picked him up in the first place.
He's from Mexico, you can obviously tell his English isn't that great. How can you not understand what he's saying?
Here let me translate what he is saying, since you are having such a hard time understanding.
"The sponsers for ROOT are only there for advertisement, they don't actually fund/support the team and help send players to events like MLG, GSL etc.
Since he doesn't have the money to fly to MLG he left ROOT and is looking for a team that will be able to support him and send him to events to compete in.
I wouldn't really agree to that, some people do feel loyal to their teams. You couldn't pay me to leave root. Root has some of the nicest guys I've ever known.
Sheth/qxc needed money to travel and stuff, so they had to leave which is pretty understandable.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
why is it that everytime i see u talk it makes me want to punch you in the face?
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Coming from someone who hacked in BW when he was basically the same age makes me chuckle.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
What the hell is he saying? Seems like a really clueless kid to me. Surprised catz picked him up in the first place.
He's from Mexico, you can obviously tell his English isn't that great. How can you not understand what he's saying?
Here let me translate what he is saying, since you are having such a hard time understanding.
"The sponsers for ROOT are only there for advertisement, they don't actually fund/support the team and help send players to events like MLG, GSL etc.
Since he doesn't have the money to fly to MLG he left ROOT and is looking for a team that will be able to support him and send him to events to compete in.
As a professional player you really have to keep an eye on how the scene and potential fans perceive you. Terran continuing his team hopping antics and posting inappropriate stuff about his past team on a public website is not exactly the best way to start his career playing a new game.
On April 07 2011 20:58 Puosu wrote: As a professional player you really have to keep an eye on how the scene and potential fans perceive you. Terran continuing his team hopping antics and posting inappropriate stuff about his past team on a public website is not exactly the best way to start his career playing a new game.
Oh well.
and for everytime this happens, his next team are gonna get even more bad puplicity
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
What the hell is he saying? Seems like a really clueless kid to me. Surprised catz picked him up in the first place.
He is saying that the current ROOT sponsors are only face value, sponsors only in name. I'm guessing IGN are only helping ROOT players with the IGN Pro League, which Gosi isn't apart of and can't be apart of (since he isn't in the US/ 17years old).
i used to be a big fan of him in BW but man, grow the fuck up already! THINK before you ACT. i can actually see this might have not been your fault since they could have told you they got new sponsors etc but in the end it didn't work out as you wished (pure speculation, no idea) but COME ON. make some research, ask people, use common sense next time otherwise you'll never get into a sponsored team ever
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
On April 07 2011 21:21 aurum510 wrote: So Kitty is too immature, but Destiny is still on the team...?
Destiny rages and shouts a lot, but is way more mature in the way he acts towards other people, and he fits in with the team while kitty didn't so 1+1=2 and he's still in.
is what gosi says even relevant? I'd imagine a team with Fayth and Kiwikaki on it wont leave any players who are deserving outright struggling to find financial assistance.
(for the record Fayth is the guy who put up a 2k USD bounty to whomever gets Dark Voice first).
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time.
Naniwa has shown change. That's why people don't give him a hard time. He's also been with dignitas now for quite some time and doesn't look like he will leave any time soon. There's a difference between a person that tries to change and one that just repeats the same things over and over.
On April 07 2011 21:39 Sfydjklm wrote: is what gosi says even relevant? I'd imagine a team with Fayth and Kiwikaki on it wont leave any players who are deserving outright struggling to find financial assistance.
(for the record Fayth is the guy who put up a 2k USD bounty to whomever gets Dark Voice first).
rofl just b/c a player has money means he's going to hand it out to all his teammates?
Loyalty to a team goes beyond money and Fayth himself said that Kitty took criticism badly.
On April 07 2011 21:39 Sfydjklm wrote: is what gosi says even relevant? I'd imagine a team with Fayth and Kiwikaki on it wont leave any players who are deserving outright struggling to find financial assistance.
(for the record Fayth is the guy who put up a 2k USD bounty to whomever gets Dark Voice first).
rofl just b/c a player has money means he's going to hand it out to all his teammates?
Loyalty to a team goes beyond money and Fayth himself said that Kitty took criticism badly.
I think there is a misunderstanding here. I merely pointed out that Gosi terrans sponsor concerns are most likely merely an attempt to save face.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Do you see people trashing on QXC or Sheth? It has more to do with how he left.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Umm, Naniwa was one of the most trashed people in the community.
I'm surprised this thread has deteriorated this much. My advice to you all is this: Life is very short, and there's no time for all this fussing and fighting my friends.
TT1, you are above that senseless aggression. I always took you to be a very introverted and zen dude.
Juan, I hope you find a place where you can call a "home". It's not about money, bro, it's about the love of the game... and I'm not talking about Kevin Costner.
Guy who talked about TT1 hacking, you're cool. Seriously, you're really cool. Grow up.
On April 07 2011 21:48 L.F.Haunt wrote: i heard that catz wanted to charge kitty money to stay at the team house.
on another note kittys look up to catz. that is all
Well he's been in the team for such a short time, you don't expect your team to just support you right there. To top it off, he doesn't have any sc2 achievements yet for ROOT to place big investment. BW is BW and SC2 is now. I really don't like how he start off his sc2 career though. Reputations comes a long way.
On April 07 2011 21:50 bmml wrote: Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time.
Huh? You're terribly wrong sir , before this last MLG , everyone was trashing / hating Naniwa. Any thread including his name turned into a nani hate thread in a few pages , even when his opponent BM'ed , people blamed him just because he's Naniwa ( I think it was dimaga vs naniwa , where Dimaga start BM'ing in the middle of game and Naniwa had to ask him to stop and then block him. Everyone in the LR thread was talking about how BM nani was...)
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
I'm glad you are parting ways with ROOT.
I'm not much as a SC2 player but I have done fairly well in the world of business. There is a certain satisfaction/reward that comes from building something from the ground up. Working with a team of people to achieve goals.
Judging from your post above you will never know that feeling.
I'm sure ROOT could have already sold out to get a quick reward for their success in SC2. Instead they want to maintain control (ownership) of what they have made. This is a longer road but if successful will gain them a much larger reward in the end ($$/ Independence/ Satisfaction etc..)
You are taking a very short term view which will prevent you from achieving in the long term.
On April 07 2011 21:50 bmml wrote: Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time.
Huh? You're terribly wrong sir , before this last MLG , everyone was trashing / hating Naniwa. Any thread including his name turned into a nani hate thread in a few pages , even when his opponent BM'ed , people blamed him just because he's Naniwa ( I think it was dimaga vs naniwa , where Dimaga start BM'ing in the middle of game and Naniwa had to ask him to stop and then block him. Everyone in the LR thread was talking about how BM nani was...)
People knock him for being BM sure, but in regards to his team swapping its more of a "lol naniwa swaps teams again" rather than a "OMG I CANT BELIEVE HE DID THIS TO ROOT, GOOD RIDDANCE THIS GUYS AN ASS" which is pretty much what this thread is.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on.
The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up.
Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior.
On April 07 2011 22:28 Bill Murray wrote: I'm surprised this thread has deteriorated this much. My advice to you all is this: Life is very short, and there's no time for all this fussing and fighting my friends.
TT1, you are above that senseless aggression. I always took you to be a very introverted and zen dude.
Juan, I hope you find a place where you can call a "home". It's not about money, bro, it's about the love of the game... and I'm not talking about Kevin Costner.
Guy who talked about TT1 hacking, you're cool. Seriously, you're really cool. Grow up.
Bill Murray speaks the truth
even though I have trolled TT1 about hacking in bw for a long time......
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on.
The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up.
Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior.
I'm not saying waht he did was right, I know hes a "hopper" and I know some people see that as the worst thing ever but its stupid to start putting the blame solely on him. From the look of his post he assumed that his position in ROOT would have been to help him go to tournaments and prove his worth, he didn't get that and left (or was kicked for not fitting in). Either way I think the obvious fanboyism toward ROOT in this thread is just ridiculous, from what I see of the whole situation is that ROOT rushed into recruiting a really good terran player, didnt like the way he acted and he was "forced out". This isn't a good situation for either party but I don't think Terran deserves all the hate hes getting.
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail
TRANSLATION:
I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for ChavoDelOcho, and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail
Speak english dude...
i dont know how to speak english , hes going to read this , non-one like him in mexico :D
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on.
The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up.
Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior.
I'm not saying waht he did was right, I know hes a "hopper" and I know some people see that as the worst thing ever but its stupid to start putting the blame solely on him. From the look of his post he assumed that his position in ROOT would have been to help him go to tournaments and prove his worth, he didn't get that and left (or was kicked for not fitting in). Either way I think the obvious fanboyism toward ROOT in this thread is just ridiculous, from what I see of the whole situation is that ROOT rushed into recruiting a really good terran player, didnt like the way he acted and he was "forced out". This isn't a good situation for either party but I don't think Terran deserves all the hate hes getting.
I don't have a problem with the hopping, per se. It's his choice. I have a problem with any player hopping around with no results expecting handouts and then slandering the organization he just left, or their sponsors. Saying that Justin.tv and PokerStars are only "sponsors in name," after leaving/being dismissed is a pretty nasty thing to say, considering they just got on board.
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail
TRANSLATION:
I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for the "Chavo del Ocho" [popular, old Mexican sitcom comedy character], and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].
Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho".
With the track record in BW, and the record is apparently already continuing in SC2, who would want a player like this on their team? We've already seen the no-nonsense/no BM rules being enforced in a few tournaments, will sponsors really want their names being out there on someone who is BM?
I know I wouldn't sponsor someone who could potentially drag my name down, there are mistakes and sometimes they arise, but this seems like a for sure it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Just look at Root's statement and then the player coming out to give his side of the story. I think that's the first time since i've been following SC2 that i've seen a well known player leave a well known team then go on to bad mouth them shortly after.
To each his own, apparently this kid has the skills, maybe like a Chad Ocho Cinco, hopefully he'll mature and be a good player in time.
Will be interesting to see if another team is willing enough to risk the hassle. That people are capable of changing Naniwa has shown recently...getting kicked out of MYM, staying for literally a few weeks in empire and now performing extremely well in dignitas.
The problem really is his history in BW and his manner. Otherwise his case wouldn't be that much different of, say, qxc...who also left because of the (lack of) money, and I see nobody talking down on him.
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail
TRANSLATION:
I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for the "Chavo del Ocho" [popular, old Mexican sitcom comedy character], and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].
Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho".
No, he's referring to the American Football player "Chad Ochochinco" who has similar tendencies.
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail
TRANSLATION:
I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for the "Chavo del Ocho" [popular, old Mexican sitcom comedy character], and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].
Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho".
No, he's referring to the American Football player "Chad Ochochinco" who has similar tendencies.
LOL no, whereas your comparison to Chad Ochocinco (formerly known as Chad Johnson) is correct and was mentioned in the thread as well, JimmyVai was referring to another mexican player who goes by ChavoDelOcho. At the time I did not know that and just thought he was referencing the popular sitcom character that gives the series its name the "Chavo del Ocho", which in english roughly translates to "The dude from the eighth floor". This character is used in many latin countries to signify someone who doesn´t exist such as "your only friend is the chavo del ocho" meaning nobody is really your friend.
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote: Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan.
He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans
No one said he didn't have the right to switch clans, but that lessens a lot of people's opinion of him particularly taking into considering his reputation from Brood War.
His attitude in general, even his posts in this thread just make me feel like ROOT is better off to be honest.
Some people seem to be missing the point and not understanding why some of us are disappointed with his actions. A team is a give-and-take and in ROOTs' case the team is also a tight-nit group of friends. For any team it would appear that Terran/Kitty simply takes what he can get and then hops. This is a display of selfishness and a lack of understanding of a team dynamic.
When people bring up the comparison to Naniwa there are some things to consider, Naniwa wasn't really considered selfish per-say, he was just considered to be an ass from what I know. He has since confronted his past image, honed up to his mistakes, given us some reason to understand his situation but not made it a big excuse, joined Dignitas, stuck with Dignitas and displayed that he seems to be getting along with his teammates. He has grown up, he honed up to his past.
Kitty doesn't seem to understand or realize that there is anything wrong with jumping ship the moment you're dissatisfied, expecting all the support you want but giving nothing... and so on. Even in the thread where he was announced to be joining ROOT, Kyhol from ONE said that he and his friends had gotten together and helped Kitty practice and gone over strategies with him, Kitty had apparently said he'd be joining ONE but joined ROOT instead.
Now, if you're tactful and respectful you can slowly transition out of one clan and make it clear that you feel you need to move on. This has been seen in the past without everyone flaming a person for changing teams. Kitty's way of handling the situation and showing little respect or understanding of the situation or his actions is what is resulting in people being a little annoyed.
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote: Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan.
He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans
Just because he has the right to do so, doesn't mean he should be, or that he won't suffer anything to his reputation. Sure he can legally do it, but you know what the court of public opinion has to say about this.
If they wanted to keep him, they should have signed him to a contract (and had his parents co-sign). As for the 'court of public opinion,' I for one don't blame him. And frankly, I don't think the people in this thread speaking out against GosI really care.
I think it's just a typical case of a young kid not really knowing what's best for himself. Like most teens, he's always in search of new shiny things rather than looking at the big picture or planning for the long haul. Hopefully, he'll come to realise sooner than later that things like stability, solid friendships, discipline...etc are crucial in his development as a progamer.
On April 08 2011 00:15 -_- wrote: If they wanted to keep him, they should have signed him to a contract (and had his parents co-sign). As for the 'court of public opinion,' I for one don't blame him. And frankly, I don't think the people in this thread speaking out against GosI really care.
If he becomes a good player, all is forgiven.
This reminds me of someone chaining a dog up in the backyard and claiming he loves you soooo much that he would never ever run away. Likewise, if you have to 'handcuff' a guy to a team with a contract for the sole purpose of simply keeping him on the team and making sure he doesn't run away, what's even the point? Why would anyone involved with ROOT want someone who doesn't want to be there?
I feel bad for the next team that picks him up in all honesty. I'm sure every team that has picked him up has thought "Well yeah he changed teams all the time in the past, but we're different, we can change him." It's like NFL teams continuing to add Randy Moss to their team even though every team he has been on is adamant that he has attitude problems and causes more issues than he's worth. But there will always be that one team that thinks they can change him or they think he is worth the risk.
Although your point about most people in this thread not caring is probably true, after all we don't have any personal stake in where he goes or if he BMs or anything at all really; but this of course is a forum to discuss Starcraft related news and events so here we are - people who don't really care giving their 2 cents. :p
I don't know how this thread got to 18 pages. The first couple pages summed up all the relevant thoughts about this quite concisely. He's a notorious clan hopper, and this was expected. Why say anything else?
On April 08 2011 00:15 -_- wrote: If they wanted to keep him, they should have signed him to a contract (and had his parents co-sign). As for the 'court of public opinion,' I for one don't blame him. And frankly, I don't think the people in this thread speaking out against GosI really care.
If he becomes a good player, all is forgiven.
This reminds me of someone chaining a dog up in the backyard and claiming he loves you soooo much that he would never ever run away. Likewise, if you have to 'handcuff' a guy to a team with a contract for the sole purpose of simply keeping him on the team and making sure he doesn't run away, what's even the point? Why would anyone involved with ROOT want someone who doesn't want to be there?
I feel bad for the next team that picks him up in all honesty. I'm sure every team that has picked him up has thought "Well yeah he changed teams all the time in the past, but we're different, we can change him." It's like NFL teams continuing to add Randy Moss to their team even though every team he has been on is adamant that he has attitude problems and causes more issues than he's worth. But there will always be that one team that thinks they can change him or they think he is worth the risk.
Although your point about most people in this thread not caring is probably true, after all we don't have any personal stake in where he goes or if he BMs or anything at all really; but this of course is a forum to discuss Starcraft related news and events so here we are - people who don't really care giving their 2 cents. :p
Cleverly put! You changed my opinion on whether Root should've signed GosI.
How very awful, expected, and surprising altogether.
I would think the general public felt a sense of change and potential for Gosi as he started a new game with a new team, but alas.
Sometimes Gosi is so bizarre, I think he cannot be well. It is of my opinion that his age alone does not account for his behavior. It seems as though he's a very troubled young man.
On April 08 2011 00:35 yamato77 wrote: I don't know how this thread got to 18 pages. The first couple pages summed up all the relevant thoughts about this quite concisely. He's a notorious clan hopper, and this was expected. Why say anything else?
Because he decided to trash his ex-team in a post somewhere between the first few pages and the 19th page.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
The fact is we could offer you the same deal or somewhat of a better deal than the team you're joining which I won't disclose is offering you, but I talked to drew and we decided its not worth it rewarding you at all, while we have teammates and friends who have been with us for over a year and clearly deserve sponsorship more than someone who joined us what, a month ago?
You lack respect, and you just copy koreans, you'll be a great player no doubt... but if you can't think for yourself you have a cap we try to avoid in the team. Its a shame, good luck in the future Juan.
I'm glad all of your effort of playing this game for 1 month is about to pay off, and im also relieved we won't have to deal with you to be honest, you're full of good intentions, and you're a nice guy, but you're def missing some screws.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
The fact is we could offer you the same deal or somewhat of a better deal than the team you're joining which I won't disclose is offering you, but I talked to drew and we decided its not worth it rewarding you at all, while we have teammates and friends who have been with us for over a year and clearly deserve sponsorship more than someone who joined us what, a month ago?
You lack respect, and you just copy koreans, you'll be a great player no doubt... but if you can't think for yourself you have a cap we try to avoid in the team. Its a shame, good luck in the future Juan.
I'm glad all of your effort of playing this game for 1 month is about to pay off, and im also relieved we won't have to deal with you to be honest, you're full of good intentions, and you're a nice guy, but you're def missing some screws.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Not the same situations though lol, Naniwa was kicked off a team for getting kicked otu of the EPS, then was given a chance by Empire to prove himself, where he did, and moved on to Dignitas because he needed a team that would offer him sustainability and the chance to show himself as one of the best players in Europe. He's proved himself over time. Gosi's played SC2 for a month and a half and not done any major accomplishments and then just rags on ROOT and their sponsors
once a clan hopper, always a clan hopper. shame to see such potential in such a clown. srsly you would have to have like a stroke to want to leave ROOT. although i do wonder which party was the one that called for the change.
I'm pretty sure once he gets on a team that sponsors him to tourneys, something that few people ever had in BW, he won't clan hop anymore. All he needs to work on now is his attitude.
On April 08 2011 04:41 Megaliskuu wrote: I'm pretty sure once he gets on a team that sponsors him to tourneys, something that few people ever had in BW, he won't clan hop anymore. All he needs to work on now is his attitude.
Until a clan that sponsors him in tourneys and offers him a salary comes along right? And then a team that offers both of those plus free equipment right?
On April 08 2011 04:41 Megaliskuu wrote: I'm pretty sure once he gets on a team that sponsors him to tourneys, something that few people ever had in BW, he won't clan hop anymore. All he needs to work on now is his attitude.
Until a clan that sponsors him in tourneys and offers him a salary comes along right? And then a team that offers both of those plus free equipment right?
idk bout salary but according to his post in this thread it sounds like he's already joining a sponsored clan.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Not the same situations though lol, Naniwa was kicked off a team for getting kicked otu of the EPS, then was given a chance by Empire to prove himself, where he did, and moved on to Dignitas because he needed a team that would offer him sustainability and the chance to show himself as one of the best players in Europe. He's proved himself over time.
Apparently you've ignored the other three teams involved in Nani's past, SG, MYM and PwG.
Anyway I've given up at this point, everyone seems to be so hung up on the bushido of ESPORTS and whiteknighting ROOT that it isn't even worth trying to stick up for someone getting trashed for getting removed from a team they didn't fit into.
On April 08 2011 04:41 Megaliskuu wrote: I'm pretty sure once he gets on a team that sponsors him to tourneys, something that few people ever had in BW, he won't clan hop anymore. All he needs to work on now is his attitude.
Maybe you're right, but what team would want a person like Juan? Skill is not the only thing that matters when you're playing for a sponsored team or organisation. First of all you have to know how to behave correctly and not be some stupid kid with attitude problems which will later hit back on the team and sponsors. Second of all, its highly recommended to fit in with the rest of the team to get a great atmosphere and whats the point of recruiting a BM kid like Juan when everyone knows he will just leave in days or weeks. And after trashing your ex team's sponsors... well I don't really know what the fuck to say about that...
But up and coming teams in the scene will unfortunely continue to pick him up just because hes a good player and they want fame instead a stable team, too bad he won't give anything back than just problems in the end.
But yeah, I can't see any big organisation in the size of Fnatic, EG, SK etc to pick him up any time soon, well maybe if he would turn out to be some kind of Flash of SC2 and bring in a shitload of money.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Not the same situations though lol, Naniwa was kicked off a team for getting kicked otu of the EPS, then was given a chance by Empire to prove himself, where he did, and moved on to Dignitas because he needed a team that would offer him sustainability and the chance to show himself as one of the best players in Europe. He's proved himself over time.
Apparently you've ignored the other three teams involved in Nani's past, SG, MYM and PwG.
Anyway I've given up at this point, everyone seems to be so hung up on the bushido of ESPORTS and whiteknighting ROOT that it isn't even worth trying to stick up for someone getting trashed for getting removed from a team they didn't fit into.
He isn't getting trashed for leaving, he is getting trashed for this comment:
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
As far as I could tell, most people, prior to this statement, just thought it was funny that the guy that used to clan hop constantly in BW is doing the same thing in SC2. But to publicly attack and be disrespectful to a team that gave you a shot is just completely immature and uncalled for.
On April 08 2011 00:01 Ganjamaster wrote: LOL no, whereas your comparison to Chad Ochocinco (formerly known as Chad Johnson) is correct and was mentioned in the thread as well, JimmyVai was referring to another mexican player who goes by ChavoDelOcho. At the time I did not know that and just thought he was referencing the popular sitcom character that gives the series its name the "Chavo del Ocho", which in english roughly translates to "The dude from the eighth floor". This character is used in many latin countries to signify someone who doesn´t exist such as "your only friend is the chavo del ocho" meaning nobody is really your friend.
Just a minor correction. You state that "Chavo del Ocho" roughly translates to "The dude from the eighth floor." It's actually wrong. The name comes because on the show, "el chavo" or "the dude", an orphan mexican child who once lived in apartmen #8 (ocho) of a poor condominium and is now forced to live inside of a barrel due to circumstances unknown to the viewer. Therefore, the name "Chavo del Ocho" is more correctly translated as "dude from the eighth." I watched this series all the time growing up. I know this, lol.
Also, I lived in Mexico for 20 years and I've never heard of someone referencing chavo del ocho to mean that nobody is your friend, and the show is from Mexico.
Not that it matters to this discussion. LoWJimRiSing was actually talking about the Mexican SC2 player, "ChavoDelOcho."
On April 08 2011 00:01 Ganjamaster wrote: LOL no, whereas your comparison to Chad Ochocinco (formerly known as Chad Johnson) is correct and was mentioned in the thread as well, JimmyVai was referring to another mexican player who goes by ChavoDelOcho. At the time I did not know that and just thought he was referencing the popular sitcom character that gives the series its name the "Chavo del Ocho", which in english roughly translates to "The dude from the eighth floor". This character is used in many latin countries to signify someone who doesn´t exist such as "your only friend is the chavo del ocho" meaning nobody is really your friend.
Just a minor correction. You state that "Chavo del Ocho" roughly translates to "The dude from the eighth floor." It's actually wrong. The name comes because on the show, "el chavo" or "the dude", an orphan mexican child who once lived in apartmen #8 (ocho) of a poor condominium and is now forced to live inside of a barrel due to circumstances unknown to the viewer. Therefore, the name "Chavo del Ocho" is more correctly translated as "dude from the eighth." I watched this series all the time growing up. I know this, lol.
Also, I lived in Mexico for 20 years and I've never heard of someone referencing chavo del ocho to mean that nobody is your friend, and the show is from Mexico.
Not that it matters to this discussion. LoWJimRiSing was actually talking about the Mexican SC2 player, "ChavoDelOcho."
Well, apartment 8 could potentially be on the 8th floor... I also watched said show when growing up. And maybe the expression is used here but not there. But if I were to say to you "Go hang out with el chavo del ocho" it is analogous to saying go chill with your imaginary friend since el chavo del ocho is a fictional character.
But lets continue with the [GosI]Terran flaming shall we? lol
It's too bad he team hops a lot, guy has a lot of talent and solid mechanics. I would imagine teams in the future will just not even both signing him with his track record.
It sounds like he left for the money. Qxc and Sheth did the whole thing. Seems like people are judging him on his brood war history and being overly critical.
Sooner or later you will find that you have to actually work for things in life in order to achieve your goals and that in the end of the day reputation is everything.
I'm sure ROOT will fine without him and I hope that Terran matures and grows into an even better player.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Do you see people trashing on QXC or Sheth? It has more to do with how he left.
Right, because QXC and Sheth left due to money/sponsorship issue, which is understandable. Kitty, on the other hand, left due to money/sponsorship issues, which makes him an immature douche.
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote: Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.
He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.
He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Not the same situations though lol, Naniwa was kicked off a team for getting kicked otu of the EPS, then was given a chance by Empire to prove himself, where he did, and moved on to Dignitas because he needed a team that would offer him sustainability and the chance to show himself as one of the best players in Europe. He's proved himself over time.
Apparently you've ignored the other three teams involved in Nani's past, SG, MYM and PwG.
Anyway I've given up at this point, everyone seems to be so hung up on the bushido of ESPORTS and whiteknighting ROOT that it isn't even worth trying to stick up for someone getting trashed for getting removed from a team they didn't fit into.
He isn't getting trashed for leaving, he is getting trashed for this comment:
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
As far as I could tell, most people, prior to this statement, just thought it was funny that the guy that used to clan hop constantly in BW is doing the same thing in SC2. But to publicly attack and be disrespectful to a team that gave you a shot is just completely immature and uncalled for.
Hmm I didn't read it as an attack on ROOT. Maybe I'm missing something?
I have a strongly feeling that Gosi=Maker since i did a little research and found that they use the same hotkeys and have the same average apm, plus when Gosi came to the scene Maker stopped playing a lot like he used to.
I am pretty appalled at what he just did there by trashing catz and company. Most people everywhere do not trash their former employers, unless they are high: Charlie Sheen, or truly feel jaded: football players and former managers.
Wonder if/who ROOT will recruit now. Am I right in saying Drewbie is the only ROOT Terran atm?
On April 09 2011 10:36 -Strider- wrote: I dislike Gosi, he's pretty BM but oh well...
I have a strongly feeling that Gosi=Maker since i did a little research and found that they use the same hotkeys and have the same average apm, plus when Gosi came to the scene Maker stopped playing a lot like he used to.
Was it due to his stupid female name nicknames? Seriously though he likes to prove everyone right it seems. Clanhopping is not actually a good thing Miss Kitty.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Do you see people trashing on QXC or Sheth? It has more to do with how he left.
Right, because QXC and Sheth left due to money/sponsorship issue, which is understandable. Kitty, on the other hand, left due to money/sponsorship issues, which makes him an immature douche.
do you think people are calling him an immature douche because he left or because he leaves every single clan he's joined in record time
On April 07 2011 06:06 blade55555 wrote: Wow I think many people called this kinda funny . I don't know much about him but seems as if he can't stick to one clan from what I read in when he got recruited.
On April 07 2011 06:04 FinestHour wrote: Did a problem arise because of his age?
Don't think so. He has always been the type of person to work really hard to get into a team, but once he's there he gets bored and wants another challenge. I'm wondering what will happen to him if/when he gets contracted O_O
ROOT and Kitty are parting ways. Things weren't working out too well between the two parties.
CatZ: Perhaps we rushed a bit to recruit him, he has amazing potential as a player and that's all we took into account, this was a hard descision for both sides. Kitty is only 17 years old and so we hope he matures into a great player, wish him all the best in whatever he decides to do, good luck Juan!.
from ROOT, Good Luck to Kitty aka Britney aka Princess in the future!
Obviosuly this was expected, I'm surprised Kitty lasted as long as he did (a month). I wonder where he's going to next? He's got a lot of talent and is very good already. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a team lined up in the near future.
haha xD
So true.
For those who didn't know, he teamhopped like once a week in BW
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
have you heard of this guy before he joined ROOT? i can tell you i and most other people on team liquid have not. ROOT got him in the spotlight and from the time he joined until now he's profited off root while giving nothing in return except a bronze in a justin.tv invitational and a loss in a clan war
On April 09 2011 10:36 -Strider- wrote: I dislike Gosi, he's pretty BM but oh well...
I have a strongly feeling that Gosi=Maker since i did a little research and found that they use the same hotkeys and have the same average apm, plus when Gosi came to the scene Maker stopped playing a lot like he used to.
interesting theory.. both from Mexico too
no, hes a known player from BR. Just a clan hopper.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Do you see people trashing on QXC or Sheth? It has more to do with how he left.
Right, because QXC and Sheth left due to money/sponsorship issue, which is understandable. Kitty, on the other hand, left due to money/sponsorship issues, which makes him an immature douche.
do you think people are calling him an immature douche because he left or because he leaves every single clan he's joined in record time
On April 07 2011 06:06 blade55555 wrote: Wow I think many people called this kinda funny . I don't know much about him but seems as if he can't stick to one clan from what I read in when he got recruited.
On April 07 2011 06:06 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
On April 07 2011 06:04 FinestHour wrote: Did a problem arise because of his age?
Don't think so. He has always been the type of person to work really hard to get into a team, but once he's there he gets bored and wants another challenge. I'm wondering what will happen to him if/when he gets contracted O_O
On April 07 2011 06:07 KawaiiRice wrote: Back in Brood War he had a record of 4 clan switches in a week. Just sayin~ xD
On April 07 2011 06:07 Pokebunny wrote:
On April 07 2011 06:03 KawaiiRice wrote:
Posted by CatZ, 2011-04-06 14:53
ROOT and Kitty are parting ways. Things weren't working out too well between the two parties.
CatZ: Perhaps we rushed a bit to recruit him, he has amazing potential as a player and that's all we took into account, this was a hard descision for both sides. Kitty is only 17 years old and so we hope he matures into a great player, wish him all the best in whatever he decides to do, good luck Juan!.
from ROOT, Good Luck to Kitty aka Britney aka Princess in the future!
Obviosuly this was expected, I'm surprised Kitty lasted as long as he did (a month). I wonder where he's going to next? He's got a lot of talent and is very good already. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a team lined up in the near future.
haha xD
So true.
For those who didn't know, he teamhopped like once a week in BW
On April 07 2011 06:09 iNcontroL wrote: Hahahahah
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
have you heard of this guy before he joined ROOT? i can tell you i and most other people on team liquid have not. ROOT got him in the spotlight and from the time he joined until now he's profited off root while giving nothing in return except a bronze in a justin.tv invitational and a loss in a clan war
Lol at the "most of us haven't" comment. Anyone that was here before SC2 (the majority of people) know who he is.
On April 09 2011 10:36 -Strider- wrote: I dislike Gosi, he's pretty BM but oh well...
I have a strongly feeling that Gosi=Maker since i did a little research and found that they use the same hotkeys and have the same average apm, plus when Gosi came to the scene Maker stopped playing a lot like he used to.
Your research is terribad, Maker hasn't been playin sc2 in NA because he is currently playing in the KR server. Gosi and Maker are just friends, they are not the same person.
Artosis's new team will be himself and GosiTerran.
Although I suppose it does make me question if he does go to Sixjax... meh. Not particularly important regardless, but it would add to the amusing situation.
lol, Now I just wait till GosI[Terran] join a new team so I can set my timer. The reason that he posted is really lame. If he wants a team that can support him for his travel, he should not join Catz in the 1st place. I think its just his lame excuse cos he likes jumping ship.
And to GosI[Terran], If ROOT has no big sponsor right now, why didn't you stay, make a name for yourself, bring some good results in tournament for ROOT? I am sure after that many sponsor will jump in and fight to sponsor ROOT.
Do people think TL or EG just has great sponsor when their players do nothing? You have to have good result and reputation before you expect any sponsor.
To people who think, no matter how BM and immature Terran is, he still can be a big name, I think you are very wrong. E-sport is SPORT, any player in any sport need DISCIPLINE in order to success. Even Wayne Rooney or Messi has to get their ass to the training ground every fucking morning to train. Miss one or two training session and the club will issue a warn or even fined their salary.
This kid will not go anywhere if he acts like this. There are alot of talents out there that as good or even better than him. I see no point @ any serious team pick him up.
People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.
Do you see people trashing on QXC or Sheth? It has more to do with how he left.
Right, because QXC and Sheth left due to money/sponsorship issue, which is understandable. Kitty, on the other hand, left due to money/sponsorship issues, which makes him an immature douche.
do you think people are calling him an immature douche because he left or because he leaves every single clan he's joined in record time
On April 07 2011 06:06 blade55555 wrote: Wow I think many people called this kinda funny . I don't know much about him but seems as if he can't stick to one clan from what I read in when he got recruited.
On April 07 2011 06:06 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
On April 07 2011 06:04 FinestHour wrote: Did a problem arise because of his age?
Don't think so. He has always been the type of person to work really hard to get into a team, but once he's there he gets bored and wants another challenge. I'm wondering what will happen to him if/when he gets contracted O_O
On April 07 2011 06:07 KawaiiRice wrote: Back in Brood War he had a record of 4 clan switches in a week. Just sayin~ xD
On April 07 2011 06:07 Pokebunny wrote:
On April 07 2011 06:03 KawaiiRice wrote:
Posted by CatZ, 2011-04-06 14:53
ROOT and Kitty are parting ways. Things weren't working out too well between the two parties.
CatZ: Perhaps we rushed a bit to recruit him, he has amazing potential as a player and that's all we took into account, this was a hard descision for both sides. Kitty is only 17 years old and so we hope he matures into a great player, wish him all the best in whatever he decides to do, good luck Juan!.
from ROOT, Good Luck to Kitty aka Britney aka Princess in the future!
Obviosuly this was expected, I'm surprised Kitty lasted as long as he did (a month). I wonder where he's going to next? He's got a lot of talent and is very good already. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a team lined up in the near future.
haha xD
So true.
For those who didn't know, he teamhopped like once a week in BW
On April 07 2011 06:09 iNcontroL wrote: Hahahahah
We really can't follow this story after this though... It will only get worse guys. Juan is a great player but he changes team like a girl changes clothes
have you heard of this guy before he joined ROOT? i can tell you i and most other people on team liquid have not. ROOT got him in the spotlight and from the time he joined until now he's profited off root while giving nothing in return except a bronze in a justin.tv invitational and a loss in a clan war
Lol at the "most of us haven't" comment. Anyone that was here before SC2 (the majority of people) know who he is.
you have 10188 votes at most as compared to 11573 assuming ALL 10188 of sc:bw fans knew who juan is you would still be outnumbered UNLESS members from all the other categories somehow knew who juan was
also assuming everyone voted correctly because when you go back to the older polls such as
im pretty sure the majority of people were not here since sc:bw but only mods have access to that knowledge such as the hidden thread that gets bumped when TL reaches a new active user count.. maybe someone can look at an older post and see how low it was compared to now and settle this?
On April 09 2011 10:36 -Strider- wrote: I dislike Gosi, he's pretty BM but oh well...
I have a strongly feeling that Gosi=Maker since i did a little research and found that they use the same hotkeys and have the same average apm, plus when Gosi came to the scene Maker stopped playing a lot like he used to.
Interesting theory, they are also both 17 years old. But it seems after some more research, they have played eachother so it is unlikely the case that they are the same person
On April 09 2011 10:36 -Strider- wrote: I dislike Gosi, he's pretty BM but oh well...
I have a strongly feeling that Gosi=Maker since i did a little research and found that they use the same hotkeys and have the same average apm, plus when Gosi came to the scene Maker stopped playing a lot like he used to.
Interesting theory, they are also both 17 years old
They also play completely differently, at least in TvP.
On April 09 2011 10:36 -Strider- wrote: I dislike Gosi, he's pretty BM but oh well...
I have a strongly feeling that Gosi=Maker since i did a little research and found that they use the same hotkeys and have the same average apm, plus when Gosi came to the scene Maker stopped playing a lot like he used to.
Interesting theory, they are also both 17 years old
They also play completely differently, at least in TvP.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
at least make an effort to be a little more coherent when you write something? Most people here would be banned or at least warned for writing a block of text with no punctuation whatsoever.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
why is it that everytime i see u talk it makes me want to punch you in the face?
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I noticed that his paragraph is one huge sentence (without the period).
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
why is it that everytime i see u talk it makes me want to punch you in the face?
User was warned for this post
I noticed that his paragraph is one huge sentence (without the period).
gl
Thats because he probably skip school to play Starcraft. ^^
On April 09 2011 14:08 Caphe wrote: lol, Now I just wait till GosI[Terran] join a new team so I can set my timer. The reason that he posted is really lame. If he wants a team that can support him for his travel, he should not join Catz in the 1st place. I think its just his lame excuse cos he likes jumping ship.
And to GosI[Terran], If ROOT has no big sponsor right now, why didn't you stay, make a name for yourself, bring some good results in tournament for ROOT? I am sure after that many sponsor will jump in and fight to sponsor ROOT.
Do people think TL or EG just has great sponsor when their players do nothing? You have to have good result and reputation before you expect any sponsor.
To people who think, no matter how BM and immature Terran is, he still can be a big name, I think you are very wrong. E-sport is SPORT, any player in any sport need DISCIPLINE in order to success. Even Wayne Rooney or Messi has to get their ass to the training ground every fucking morning to train. Miss one or two training session and the club will issue a warn or even fined their salary.
This kid will not go anywhere if he acts like this. There are alot of talents out there that as good or even better than him. I see no point @ any serious team pick him up.
I disagree with this.. least as far as "reputation".. "Skill" trumps all in eSports because its all based online. People can talk shit and be bad mannered and get away with it because they are not in person.. If you noticed, at LANs the shit-talking is at a bare minimum. The only exception is IdrA, who has built such a fanbase he knows he can still shittalk anyone and wont get his ass beat like Nextel.
But again with that; i'll direct you to IdrA, a guy who may be decently good but is way worse than Gosi in terms of manner, and look how far he has gone. EG, a team you mentioned, is sponsoring him even though idra threw out a "Fuck off" at MLG last week, not to mention countless other incidents. So reputation doesnt really mean much in eSports, least when it comes to manner.
Gosi's issue, is he cant stay with a team for more than a week. Thats the only thing seperating him from IdrA in my opinion. "Results" is subjective, because idra hasnt really done much since beta anyways.. but theres loads of people more deserving of sponsorships atm imo, Kiwikaki for instance should be picked up by a major team like Liquid or EG if anyone.
On April 09 2011 14:08 Caphe wrote: lol, Now I just wait till GosI[Terran] join a new team so I can set my timer. The reason that he posted is really lame. If he wants a team that can support him for his travel, he should not join Catz in the 1st place. I think its just his lame excuse cos he likes jumping ship.
And to GosI[Terran], If ROOT has no big sponsor right now, why didn't you stay, make a name for yourself, bring some good results in tournament for ROOT? I am sure after that many sponsor will jump in and fight to sponsor ROOT.
Do people think TL or EG just has great sponsor when their players do nothing? You have to have good result and reputation before you expect any sponsor.
To people who think, no matter how BM and immature Terran is, he still can be a big name, I think you are very wrong. E-sport is SPORT, any player in any sport need DISCIPLINE in order to success. Even Wayne Rooney or Messi has to get their ass to the training ground every fucking morning to train. Miss one or two training session and the club will issue a warn or even fined their salary.
This kid will not go anywhere if he acts like this. There are alot of talents out there that as good or even better than him. I see no point @ any serious team pick him up.
I disagree with this.. least as far as "reputation".. "Skill" trumps all in eSports because its all based online. People can talk shit and be bad mannered and get away with it because they are not in person.. If you noticed, at LANs the shit-talking is at a bare minimum. The only exception is IdrA, who has built such a fanbase he knows he can still shittalk anyone and wont get his ass beat like Nextel.
But again with that; i'll direct you to IdrA, a guy who may be decently good but is way worse than Gosi in terms of manner, and look how far he has gone. EG, a team you mentioned, is sponsoring him even though idra threw out a "Fuck off" at MLG last week, not to mention countless other incidents. So reputation doesnt really mean much in eSports, least when it comes to manner.
Gosi's issue, is he cant stay with a team for more than a week. Thats the only thing seperating him from IdrA in my opinion. "Results" is subjective, because idra hasnt really done much since beta anyways.. but theres loads of people more deserving of sponsorships atm imo, Kiwikaki for instance should be picked up by a major team like Liquid or EG if anyone.
I dislike Idra, but comparing Gosi with Idra in SC2 is ridiculous. Idra has been solid on the GSL on all seasons he played, he won an MLG, he's always a top dog on any tournament he plays, and he's been in shape throughout all of SC2's short history.
I really don't give a shit what this guys history is. I never played BW, why would I care. I just know he's incredibly skilled and I look forward to his play.
On April 09 2011 14:08 Caphe wrote: lol, Now I just wait till GosI[Terran] join a new team so I can set my timer. The reason that he posted is really lame. If he wants a team that can support him for his travel, he should not join Catz in the 1st place. I think its just his lame excuse cos he likes jumping ship.
And to GosI[Terran], If ROOT has no big sponsor right now, why didn't you stay, make a name for yourself, bring some good results in tournament for ROOT? I am sure after that many sponsor will jump in and fight to sponsor ROOT.
Do people think TL or EG just has great sponsor when their players do nothing? You have to have good result and reputation before you expect any sponsor.
To people who think, no matter how BM and immature Terran is, he still can be a big name, I think you are very wrong. E-sport is SPORT, any player in any sport need DISCIPLINE in order to success. Even Wayne Rooney or Messi has to get their ass to the training ground every fucking morning to train. Miss one or two training session and the club will issue a warn or even fined their salary.
This kid will not go anywhere if he acts like this. There are alot of talents out there that as good or even better than him. I see no point @ any serious team pick him up.
what an idiot, i dont know what i'd do to join a top pro clan to take my gaming to the next level, and this kid plays around with it. he deserves to remain clanless
EPT
. I don't know much about him but seems as if he can't stick to one clan from what I read in when he got recruited.
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