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vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
April 06 2011 15:26 GMT
#41
Terran = latin language = Terra = Earth
For the swarm!
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
April 06 2011 15:28 GMT
#42
I think it's more that a lot of English words that Protoss units / abilities are based off of happen to have Greek roots rather than the units / abilities being directly based off of Ancient Greek culture.
:)
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:31:33
April 06 2011 15:30 GMT
#43
On April 07 2011 00:15 tofucake wrote:
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On April 07 2011 00:13 SolHeiM wrote:
On April 07 2011 00:11 tofucake wrote:
On April 07 2011 00:04 Chaosvuistje wrote:
On April 07 2011 00:00 tofucake wrote:
On April 06 2011 23:55 chenchen wrote:
On April 06 2011 23:41 canikizu wrote:
I thought that it's well known that protoss race is based on Greek myth and Terran race is based on Norse myth.

Protoss needs a unit like The Kraken. Imagine this: whenever the unit is being made, there's an alert (like nuke warning) that says: The Kraken has been released. Screw the mothership, give us the Kraken


You just said that Terran is based on Norse mythology and Protoss is based on Greek . . . then shouldn't the Kraken be a Terran unit?

No. The Kraken is Greek.


Actually, the kraken comes from the norse mythology. It was said to swim around the icelandic regions, I doubt the greek people had any knowledge of iceland at that time.

Kraken is a Greek word which means squid.


And they definitely couldn't have borrowed that work from Greek right?

The Norse? I very highly doubt it.

Despite the best efforts of the movie Clash of the Titans to insist otherwise, Kraken is a word of Norwegian origins. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kraken

The monster Perseus defeats is most commonly described in the myths as a "sea monster", not specifically any individual sea monster ("Kraken" just sounds better than "the sea monster" in Hollywood terms). Also, in Age of Mythology, the Kraken is a Norse unit. Microsoft knows what it's talking about!
Who dat ninja?
Greyjoy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada29 Posts
April 06 2011 15:32 GMT
#44
On April 07 2011 00:04 Chaosvuistje wrote:
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On April 07 2011 00:00 tofucake wrote:
On April 06 2011 23:55 chenchen wrote:
On April 06 2011 23:41 canikizu wrote:
I thought that it's well known that protoss race is based on Greek myth and Terran race is based on Norse myth.

Protoss needs a unit like The Kraken. Imagine this: whenever the unit is being made, there's an alert (like nuke warning) that says: The Kraken has been released. Screw the mothership, give us the Kraken


You just said that Terran is based on Norse mythology and Protoss is based on Greek . . . then shouldn't the Kraken be a Terran unit?

No. The Kraken is Greek.


Actually, the kraken comes from the norse mythology. It was said to swim around the icelandic regions, I doubt the greek people had any knowledge of iceland at that time.


You're both wrong the Gracken is Zerg and he grew up in Kalamazoo michigan.
We do not sow
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
April 06 2011 15:32 GMT
#45
95% of any terminology originates in latin/greek, so I have no idea how it surprises anyone.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Zellabris
Profile Joined October 2009
United States43 Posts
April 06 2011 15:34 GMT
#46
On April 06 2011 23:32 awha wrote:
whats the movie where a guy (the dad?) keeps insisting that everything was originally from greece?

My Big Fat Greek Wedding.

The dad character also loved windex.
Virtue
Profile Joined July 2010
United States318 Posts
April 06 2011 15:36 GMT
#47
The reason for all of this is probably because English is so influenced by ancient Greek and Latin. Its pretty common to notice a lot of stuff like this if you study English and Latin. Good job finding the actual Greek roots words. I didn't know about the Pylon one.
esre
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland109 Posts
April 06 2011 15:36 GMT
#48
On April 06 2011 23:55 Zocat wrote:
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On April 06 2011 23:33 DoubleReed wrote:
I don't know where Banshee and Wraith come from (though obviously we know what they are),


Banshee is coming from Irish mythology. bean sídhe. It's a "death" spirit (similiar to it's meaning in a shitton of fantasy RPGs / Tabletops (D&D, Warhammer).
The sidhe are basically all spirits (see more: wiki)

Playing King Arthus (the roleplaying wargame) payed off



Banshee's were always women too , just like the Banshee picture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banshee
"Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show. -Idra"
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:41:29
April 06 2011 15:38 GMT
#49
Anyone notice the Latin reference in the name of this website, TeamLiquid? Liquidus is the Latin word for "flowing".

On April 06 2011 23:45 Jombozeus wrote:
Unfortunately for you:
1. Chrono- is a prefix to many words involving time, such as chronology
2. Pylon is an english word meaning the exact same thing
3. Archon is an english word
4. Proto- is a prefix for many english words involving firsts, such as prototype
5. Agriculture

As already mentioned, you will find links like this in ANY random essay or even scientific paper because english has inherited a lot from greek anyways.


Oh, right. In the words of BIC, get real.
Centorian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States95 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:39:25
April 06 2011 15:38 GMT
#50
On April 07 2011 00:32 Zaphid wrote:
95% of any terminology originates in latin/greek, so I have no idea how it surprises anyone.


Even in Indo-European languages this isn't really true. Germanic languages (probably the large portion of English) have their own root words.

Cow certainly doesn't come from latin or greek.
Insert witty statement here.
pirouni
Profile Joined May 2010
Greece31 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 15:41:57
April 06 2011 15:38 GMT
#51
On April 06 2011 23:22 AdunToridas wrote:
Hi there TL,

I noticed over the years while I played Broodwar and now SC2 that Blizzard uses many Ancient Greek words for their alien-ish style.
I list some up which I remember atm, I just wondered if some of you also got a few.

  • πρώτος - prótos: first, first of a kind => Protoss
  • χρόνος - khrónos: time => Chrono boost
  • ἀρχόν - arkhon: (which) ruler, leader => Archon
  • τήν Πύλον - tén pylon: (which) place => Pylon
  • άγρια - ágria: wild, uncultivated, uncivilised (feminine): => Agria

Adun toridas is correct.
But the word pylon is more likely from η πύλη, gate in english and since there is already Gateway this would be something between pole as in shape and gate for gating units.

Generally, games like to add stuff from mythology and ancient civilizations to many things more interesting.

I played Dark Age of Camelot (Albion-british / Midgard-skandinavian / Hibernia-Irish) and its expansion, Trials of Atlantis was full of greek and egyptian references.
Also most sciences have loads of greek words since their birth and development was placed in Greece. You can see the computer science being in english since the mayor companies are placed in the USA.
Excessive
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark151 Posts
April 06 2011 15:40 GMT
#52
Indeed the Kraken is from Norse mythology, although it was never actually called by that name. Kraken seems to come from the german krake, which means octopus.

The leviathan from the campaign is apparently one of the seven princes of Hell.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
April 06 2011 15:52 GMT
#53
On April 06 2011 23:34 RobbybabyDTF wrote:
Thor's

Nvm Norse god I think lol.


Yep Thor is a Norse god ^^
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
April 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#54
When you first encounter collossi in the prophecy missions, they arise from the ocean and Zeratul says something along the lines of ancient technology which was long forgotten. That part struck me as a pretty clear reference to Atlantis.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
April 06 2011 15:57 GMT
#55
On April 06 2011 23:33 Eishi_Ki wrote:
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On April 06 2011 23:27 naamis wrote:
Helios was a greek god of the sun. Hellion probably gets his name from him.


Hellion is actually an upstart or rebellious person


It most likely just comes from hell, they are armed with an infernal flamethrower and inferno means hell/large fire, which fits both the name of the hellion and it's purpose.
I'll call Nada.
Nasradime
Profile Joined January 2011
France83 Posts
April 06 2011 16:41 GMT
#56
Wow, the "chrono boost" discovery amazed me. I always believed the meaning simply was pretty clear, and wouldn't need to be called an "Ancient Greek reference". I mean, all of you heard of "chronometers" right ?
(Not-so) of topic, thanks for the Greek movie and the quote "just spray some windex of it, it'll be fine", I never heard of it but now I understand the reference that Date Movie makes ("just spray some hummus (...)" ), that was on my brain since years.
Comsat me bro
morimacil
Profile Joined March 2010
France921 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 17:03:42
April 06 2011 16:59 GMT
#57
I thought everyone knew that the protoss were based on egyptian?
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OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
April 06 2011 17:04 GMT
#58
On April 06 2011 23:41 canikizu wrote:
I thought that it's well known that protoss race is based on Greek myth and Terran race is based on Norse myth.

Protoss needs a unit like The Kraken. Imagine this: whenever the unit is being made, there's an alert (like nuke warning) that says: The Kraken has been released. Screw the mothership, give us the Kraken


The mothership had "planet cracker" thats close enough right?
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Typhon
Profile Joined July 2009
United States387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 17:30:15
April 06 2011 17:29 GMT
#59
On April 06 2011 23:22 AdunToridas wrote:
Hi there TL,

I noticed over the years while I played Broodwar and now SC2 that Blizzard uses many Ancient Greek words for their alien-ish style.
I list some up which I remember atm, I just wondered if some of you also got a few.

  • πρώτος - prótos: first, first of a kind => Protoss
  • χρόνος - khrónos: time => Chrono boost
  • ἀρχόν - arkhon: (which) ruler, leader => Archon
  • τήν Πύλον - tén pylon: (which) place => Pylon
  • άγρια - ágria: wild, uncultivated, uncivilised (feminine): => Agria


Pylon is the english word for the towers used to hold up power lines... that seems pretty obvious that the towers that emit protoss power are called pylons:

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And it's pretty obvious that Protoss culture is derived from various historical civilizations.

Zealot: militant jewish sect that revolted against the Romans
Dragoon: generic term for mounted infantry/light cavalry/armored recon (more modern use)
Templar: Christian military order from Middle Ages
Archon: Greek magistrate
Praetor: Roman magistrate/commander
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
April 06 2011 17:30 GMT
#60
On April 06 2011 23:55 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 23:41 canikizu wrote:
I thought that it's well known that protoss race is based on Greek myth and Terran race is based on Norse myth.

Protoss needs a unit like The Kraken. Imagine this: whenever the unit is being made, there's an alert (like nuke warning) that says: The Kraken has been released. Screw the mothership, give us the Kraken


You just said that Terran is based on Norse mythology and Protoss is based on Greek . . . then shouldn't the Kraken be a Terran unit?


We all know the Gracken is a Zerg unit >.<

Ok I'll go back to my hidey hole now
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
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