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On April 07 2011 04:58 TimeSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 03:42 TimeSpiral wrote:On April 07 2011 02:29 Typhon wrote:On April 06 2011 23:22 AdunToridas wrote:Hi there TL, I noticed over the years while I played Broodwar and now SC2 that Blizzard uses many Ancient Greek words for their alien-ish style. I list some up which I remember atm, I just wondered if some of you also got a few. - πρώτος - prótos: first, first of a kind => Protoss
- χρόνος - khrónos: time => Chrono boost
- ἀρχόν - arkhon: (which) ruler, leader => Archon
- τήν Πύλον - tén pylon: (which) place => Pylon
- άγρια - ágria: wild, uncultivated, uncivilised (feminine): => Agria
Pylon is the english word for the towers used to hold up power lines... that seems pretty obvious that the towers that emit protoss power are called pylons: + Show Spoiler +And it's pretty obvious that Protoss culture is derived from various historical civilizations. Zealot: militant jewish sect that revolted against the Romans Dragoon: generic term for mounted infantry/light cavalry/armored recon (more modern use) Templar: Christian military order from Middle Ages Archon: Greek magistrate Praetor: Roman magistrate/commander You beat me to it. No one had mentioned the Zealot or the Templar yet, which are pretty obvious. Also ... Starcraft seems to be purposefully blatant with its similarities to other games or pop-culture elements.
Banshee![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/0m93B.jpg) LEFT: The Orca from the Command & Conquer series. RIGHT: Banshee (SC2)
Stargate![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/jYjyZ.jpg) LEFT: The infamous Stargate from the aptly titled Stargate series RIGHT: Stargate (SC2)
Colossus![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/fnOci.jpg) LEFT: The "Tri-Pod" from War of the Worlds RIGHT: Colossus (SC2)
Goliath![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/o1IQy.jpg) LEFT: AT-ST Walker from Star Wars RIGHT: Goliath (SC2)
Hellion![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/O31iv.jpg) LEFT: Flame Tanks from Command & Conquer RIGHT: Hellion
Nexus![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/lOcXS.jpg) LEFT: A Goa'Uld Ha'Tak from, yet again, the Stargate franchise RIGHT: Nexus (SC2) NOTE: An alien race of ancients known as the Asgard also had a ship specifically called the Science Vessel.
The C&C throwbacks are pretty obvious as some of the development team came from C&C but it is clearly obvious that our beloved SC2 was heavily influenced by the greats like Star Wars and Stargate! No comments? I thought this was relevant AND interesting :p
Okay. It's already pretty obvious where some of these ideas came from like the colossus. That was already pointed out in the beta, so you're a little late on that. The goliath is a basic mech walker, and if you look at other mech walkers then that AT-ST doesn't look like a comparable example. So I'm going to say thats off. The hellion is a buggy with a flame thrower; I'm pretty sure the idea to do that was way before command and conquer so I'm gonna believe Blizzard referenced it to them. and wtf is that? The nexus from SC1 came way before that ship thing.
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On April 07 2011 04:58 TimeSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 03:42 TimeSpiral wrote:On April 07 2011 02:29 Typhon wrote:On April 06 2011 23:22 AdunToridas wrote:Hi there TL, I noticed over the years while I played Broodwar and now SC2 that Blizzard uses many Ancient Greek words for their alien-ish style. I list some up which I remember atm, I just wondered if some of you also got a few. - πρώτος - prótos: first, first of a kind => Protoss
- χρόνος - khrónos: time => Chrono boost
- ἀρχόν - arkhon: (which) ruler, leader => Archon
- τήν Πύλον - tén pylon: (which) place => Pylon
- άγρια - ágria: wild, uncultivated, uncivilised (feminine): => Agria
Pylon is the english word for the towers used to hold up power lines... that seems pretty obvious that the towers that emit protoss power are called pylons: + Show Spoiler +And it's pretty obvious that Protoss culture is derived from various historical civilizations. Zealot: militant jewish sect that revolted against the Romans Dragoon: generic term for mounted infantry/light cavalry/armored recon (more modern use) Templar: Christian military order from Middle Ages Archon: Greek magistrate Praetor: Roman magistrate/commander You beat me to it. No one had mentioned the Zealot or the Templar yet, which are pretty obvious. Also ... Starcraft seems to be purposefully blatant with its similarities to other games or pop-culture elements.
BansheeLEFT: The Orca from the Command & Conquer series. RIGHT: Banshee (SC2)
StargateLEFT: The infamous Stargate from the aptly titled Stargate series RIGHT: Stargate (SC2)
ColossusLEFT: The "Tri-Pod" from War of the Worlds RIGHT: Colossus (SC2)
GoliathLEFT: AT-ST Walker from Star Wars RIGHT: Goliath (SC2)
HellionLEFT: Flame Tanks from Command & Conquer RIGHT: Hellion
NexusLEFT: A Goa'Uld Ha'Tak from, yet again, the Stargate franchise RIGHT: Nexus (SC2) NOTE: An alien race of ancients known as the Asgard also had a ship specifically called the Science Vessel.
The C&C throwbacks are pretty obvious as some of the development team came from C&C but it is clearly obvious that our beloved SC2 was heavily influenced by the greats like Star Wars and Stargate! No comments? I thought this was relevant AND interesting :p
These are all very generic.
For example a vehicle with a flamethrower is hardly a reference of any kind, just like marines aren't a reference to every game/movie/book ever that has marines.
If you just look at generic concepts you will find similarities in everything. There is nothing that is so absolutely original, that nobody has never thought of anything even similar to it before.
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Arcturus is a sun?
Hyperion is a moon?
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On April 07 2011 03:42 TimeSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 02:29 Typhon wrote:On April 06 2011 23:22 AdunToridas wrote:Hi there TL, I noticed over the years while I played Broodwar and now SC2 that Blizzard uses many Ancient Greek words for their alien-ish style. I list some up which I remember atm, I just wondered if some of you also got a few. - πρώτος - prótos: first, first of a kind => Protoss
- χρόνος - khrónos: time => Chrono boost
- ἀρχόν - arkhon: (which) ruler, leader => Archon
- τήν Πύλον - tén pylon: (which) place => Pylon
- άγρια - ágria: wild, uncultivated, uncivilised (feminine): => Agria
Pylon is the english word for the towers used to hold up power lines... that seems pretty obvious that the towers that emit protoss power are called pylons: + Show Spoiler +And it's pretty obvious that Protoss culture is derived from various historical civilizations. Zealot: militant jewish sect that revolted against the Romans Dragoon: generic term for mounted infantry/light cavalry/armored recon (more modern use) Templar: Christian military order from Middle Ages Archon: Greek magistrate Praetor: Roman magistrate/commander You beat me to it. No one had mentioned the Zealot or the Templar yet, which are pretty obvious. Also ... Starcraft seems to be purposefully blatant with its similarities to other games or pop-culture elements.
BansheeLEFT: The Orca from the Command & Conquer series. RIGHT: Banshee (SC2)
StargateLEFT: The infamous Stargate from the aptly titled Stargate series RIGHT: Stargate (SC2)
ColossusLEFT: The "Tri-Pod" from War of the Worlds RIGHT: Colossus (SC2)
GoliathLEFT: AT-ST Walker from Star Wars RIGHT: Goliath (SC2)
HellionLEFT: Flame Tanks from Command & Conquer RIGHT: Hellion
NexusLEFT: A Goa'Uld Ha'Tak from, yet again, the Stargate franchise RIGHT: Nexus (SC2) NOTE: An alien race of ancients known as the Asgard also had a ship specifically called the Science Vessel.
The C&C throwbacks are pretty obvious as some of the development team came from C&C but it is clearly obvious that our beloved SC2 was heavily influenced by the greats like Star Wars and Stargate!
Well the Stargate is way too simple. It's just a circular portal. That's it. Other than that, the design is totally different.
Honestly flame tanks and hellions are not alike. Vehicle + Flamethrower does not mean its a ripoff of flame tanks. Hellions are not flame tanks. I don't really see the connection.
Yea the Goliath is a similar thing. It's a just a walker-mech thing. The AT-ST doesn't even have arms. Their designs are actually significantly different. I guess you could argue by the nature of their legs, but that's about it.
Nexus is absolutely not a ripoff of the stargate thingy. Those two examples are blatantly based off of the egyptian pyramids. They're based on a common thing, not off of each other.
To be honest, I think the Colossus would look cooler if it had only three legs. What's this four-leg bullshit?
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Yamato-damashii – 'the brave, daring, and indomitable spirit of Japanese people'
Yamato is a region of japan, but it also has multiple meaning.
which led to the yamato gun.(yamato is also the biggest battleships ever made i believe, which took damn long to destroy at the end of ww2.)
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Blizz often do homages to other games and fantasy or sci-fi franchises, its a little nod to their heros.
And i love all the mythology stuff they use.
The goliath to me doesn't look like a walker from starwars, looks more like one of these bad boys....
![[image loading]](http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1074613272-00.jpg)
That takes me back... and they are doing a reboot!
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blizzard just put in random crap they found interesting... the immortal is a damn droid from Star Wars Ep 1 (the one that rolls around and has a shield barrier).
Blizz isn't really following a set pattern. just random crap put together to make it seem cool.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but have hydras been mentioned?
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Makes me think of the whole black athena controversy thing the US had a ways back.
the thing about it is, part of our modern langage comes from ancient greek. and those words did keep their meaning, somewhat at least. so, wether or not they're trying to reference Greece, there would still probably still be links to be made.
That being said, it's always fun to see things from the past still having some place today. Part of the reason why i'm studying history.
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I was sure that Starcraft was not invented by simple human
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it's english bro... english includes many other languages like greek, latin, french, italian etc... even chinese.
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On April 07 2011 04:57 Xadar wrote:
In singleplay, theres this roboter named A.R.E.S. i think Ares is some god of destruction.
Not 100% sure though
Ares is actually the god of war 
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Blizzard uses all kind of mythology thermines in their games for unit names, items, etc. I noticed that too.
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On April 07 2011 06:50 emythrel wrote:Blizz often do homages to other games and fantasy or sci-fi franchises, its a little nod to their heros. And i love all the mythology stuff they use. The goliath to me doesn't look like a walker from starwars, looks more like one of these bad boys.... That takes me back... and they are doing a reboot!
Haha 31st century combat. Wow.
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On April 07 2011 05:35 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 23:33 DoubleReed wrote:
Goliath is obviously from the Bible. I don't know where Banshee and Wraith come from (though obviously we know what they are), but obviously Thor, Odin, Loki come from Norse Mythology (along with Viking).
I dunno, it's pretty common for videogames to use things like that. Gotta make things sound cool, latin, greek, and mythologies are good for that sort of thing. Banshees and Wraiths are mythological creatures from Ireland and they originated with Celtic mythology iirc.
Barnshee is indeed Irish. It's a female ghost or spirit which wails outside a house on the night where someone inside will die. Wraith is Scottish, and, as far as i know, it's just another term for any kind of ghost or spirit, with no specific connotations - i could be wrong though.
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I picked up on Chrono boost and Hellion.
Chrono-Time
Helios-Titan sun god.
The sad way I noticed this (I noticed it instantly): I played Age of Mythology:The Titans Expansion.
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YAY. Greek is awesome. Hope you enjoy learning it, Greek words pop up literally *everywhere* in the english language.
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well most names come from somewhere, usually something representitive of what the thing is, like chrono boost is a thing related to time, and the greek word means time, I don't see whats so amazing, thats how names are thought up, they don't just sit around and think of cool sounding words with no meaning
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